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  Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 09:04 -0700
    Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 16:22 +0000
      Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 09:34 -0700
        Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-07 17:17 +0000
          Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 15:15 -0700
            Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-07 22:52 +0000
            Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 00:17 +0000
              Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 17:26 -0700
                Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 02:01 +0000
                  Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 08:14 -0700
                    Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 15:22 +0000
                    Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-08 15:54 +0000
              Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 00:26 -0700
                Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 01:50 -0700
                  Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 10:02 +0000
                  Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-08 15:42 +0000
                    Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 09:03 -0700
                      Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 16:12 +0000
                      Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-08 16:22 +0000
                Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 10:02 +0000
                Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 06:24 -0700
                  Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 15:19 +0000
                  Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-08 15:51 +0000
                Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-08 15:40 +0000
                  Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 08:46 -0700
                    Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 16:08 +0000
                      Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 09:15 -0700
                        Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-08 16:40 +0000
                        Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 17:00 +0000
                          Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 15:09 -0700
                    Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-08 16:20 +0000
            Re: Gyroscopic matter and light mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-07 19:08 -0700
          Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-07 18:17 -0500
            Re: Gyroscopic matter and light poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-08 05:03 -0700
        Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 19:48 +0000
        Re: Gyroscopic matter and light "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 13:19 -0700
          Re: Gyroscopic matter and light "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-07-07 13:45 -0700
          Re: Gyroscopic matter and light mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-07 14:07 -0700
            Re: Gyroscopic matter and light "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-07-07 14:22 -0700
      Re: Gyroscopic matter and light "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 13:20 -0700
        Re: Gyroscopic matter and light "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-07-07 13:53 -0700
    Re: Gyroscopic matter and light pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-07-07 13:12 -0700
    Re: Gyroscopic matter and light mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-07 20:33 -0700

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#692944 — Gyroscopic matter and light

If two orthogonal spins are IN PHASE, they can be linked. This is the case for light.
Think about a gyroscope. It is spinning in ONE plane, and doesn’t want to be moved out of it. It will deflect efforts to do so in another direction.
Now, consider something with two orthogonal in-phase spins: ANY force on it will move it exclusively along  ONE line- the intersection of those two planes!
Light photons are simply being PUSHED the only direction they can go by the pressure of Space!! So, perhaps red-shifting just reflects less pressure.

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#692947

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> If two orthogonal spins are IN PHASE, they can be linked. 

Not true. 

>This is the case for light.
> Think about a gyroscope. It is spinning in ONE plane, and doesn’t want to
> be moved out of it. It will deflect efforts to do so in another direction.
> Now, consider something with two orthogonal in-phase spins: ANY force on
> it will move it exclusively along  ONE line- the intersection of those two planes!
> Light photons are simply being PUSHED the only direction they can go by
> the pressure of Space!! So, perhaps red-shifting just reflects less pressure.
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#692951

Odd
“Not true. ”
What is it about light, then, that is in phase, if not spin?
Enlighten us, Odd

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#692954

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>"Not true. "
>What is it about light, then, that is in phase, if not spin?

Light has an electric field in one plane and a magnetic field, in phase,
in a plane at a right angle to the electric field.
No spin.

>Enlighten us, Odd

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#693015

MM
“Light has an electric field in one plane and a magnetic field, in phase, 
in a plane at a right angle to the electric field. 
No spin. ”
So, they’re ‘in phase’, but this doesn’t relate to spin? What exactly, DOES it relate to? Not a sinusoidal function, I hope, because that sure sounds like spin. But I’m sure you have some other explanation

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#693022

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"Light has an electric field in one plane and a magnetic field, in phase,
>in a plane at a right angle to the electric field.
>No spin. "
>So, they're 'in phase', but this doesn't 
>relate to spin?

That's right.

> What exactly, DOES it relate to? Not a sinusoidal function, I
> hope, because that sure sounds like spin.

A pair of sine waves, but it's not spin. Do you see any spin here?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Light-wave.svg

> But I'm sure you have some other explanation

It's just a pair of sine waves in a straight line.

Why won't you see a doctor about treating your spin OCD?

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#693034

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> “Light has an electric field in one plane and a magnetic field, in phase, 
> in a plane at a right angle to the electric field. 
> No spin. ”
> So, they’re ‘in phase’, but this doesn’t relate to spin? What exactly,
> DOES it relate to? Not a sinusoidal function, I hope, because that sure
> sounds like spin. But I’m sure you have some other explanation
> 

A wave is a sinusoidal function. Nothing is rotating in a wave, John. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#693038

Odd
“The shape of an ocean wave is often depicted as a sine wave, but the the experimental waveshape is described as a "trochoid". A trochoid can be defined as the curve traced out by a point on a circle as the circle is rolled along a line. “
That is actually a curtate cycloid.

No, Odd, waves have nothing to do with circles.
Ya right.

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#693049

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “The shape of an ocean wave is often depicted as a sine wave, but the the
> experimental waveshape is described as a "trochoid". A trochoid can be
> defined as the curve traced out by a point on a circle as the circle is
> rolled along a line. “
> That is actually a curtate cycloid.

Yes that is true for an Ocean Surface Wave. It does not apply to sound
waves, light waves, tectonic pressure and shear waves, and a long list of
other waves. Only ocean surface waves. 

> 
> No, Odd, waves have nothing to do with circles.
> Ya right.
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#693099

Odd
“Yes that is true for an Ocean Surface Wave. It does not apply to sound 
waves, light waves, tectonic pressure and shear waves, and a long list of 
other waves. Only ocean surface waves. 
”
Hmm.
So ocean waves are the exception?
And none of these other sinusoidal phenomena are related to rotation?
Just ocean waves?

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#693102

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “Yes that is true for an Ocean Surface Wave. It does not apply to sound 
> waves, light waves, tectonic pressure and shear waves, and a long list of 
> other waves. Only ocean surface waves. 
> ”
> Hmm.
> So ocean waves are the exception?

No they are not an exception. Recall from what you read that they are not a
sinusoidal wave in the first place. 

Sinusoidal waves come from laws of physics that take the form of the wave
equation.  Period. Rotation is not involved in that. 

> And none of these other sinusoidal phenomena are related to rotation?
> Just ocean waves?
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#693108

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>"Yes that is true for an Ocean Surface Wave. It does not apply to sound
>waves, light waves, tectonic pressure and shear waves, and a long list of
>other waves. Only ocean surface waves.
>"
>Hmm.
>So ocean waves are the exception?

Yes they are the exception because they are not sinusoidal, they are
cycloids.

>And none of these other sinusoidal phenomena are related to rotation?
>Just ocean waves?

Because ocean waves are cycloids, not sinusoidal.

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#693072

Odd
“A wave is a sinusoidal function. Nothing is rotating in a wave, ”
I dare you to construct a sinusoidal wave without using rotation.

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#693077

Anyway, matter should all have a basic back-and-forth vibration along the line common to both its rotations. This vibration will occur at twice the frequency of the electron- at about 50 X 10^-18 seconds

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#693082

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyway, matter should all have a basic back-and-forth vibration along the
> line common to both its rotations. This vibration will occur at twice the
> frequency of the electron- at about 50 X 10^-18 seconds
> 

Why to you think the vibrational frequency of a ground state hydrogen atom
is the same as the vibrational frequency of all electrons in all types of
atoms. 

Is this like you using the Milky Way number as the number that applies to
all galaxies, regardless of size or classification?

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#693104

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Anyway, matter should all have a basic back-and-forth vibration along 
the line common to both its rotations.

Both its rotations? Angular momentum conservation allows for only one
rotation.

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#693109

MM
“Both its rotations? Angular momentum conservation allows for only one 
rotation. ”
All energy standing waves have THREE rotations: propagation rotation around the propagation axis coupled with rotation of that axis around a circle to make a disc, coupled with precession of the disc.

Radiation has one precession per rotation, so propagation is always the same direction (although it falls to zero twice per cycle).
Matter has two precessions, so propagation reverses twice per cycle. This propagation reversal causes vibration at a frequency of ~50 X 10^16

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#693111

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> “Both its rotations? Angular momentum conservation allows for only one 
> rotation. ”
> All energy standing waves have THREE rotations: propagation rotation
> around the propagation axis coupled with rotation of that axis around a
> circle to make a disc, coupled with precession of the disc.

Once more you propose something that violates conservation of angular
momentum. As though just breathing the words makes it possible. 

> 
> Radiation has one precession per rotation, so propagation is always the
> same direction (although it falls to zero twice per cycle).
> Matter has two precessions, so propagation reverses twice per cycle. This
> propagation reversal causes vibration at a frequency of ~50 X 10^16
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#693115

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>All energy standing waves have THREE rotations: propagation rotation around=
> the propagation axis coupled with rotation of that axis around a circle to=
> make a disc, coupled with precession of the disc.

You're butt-mining again. Conservation of angular momentum prevents
precession without external forcing.

Deal with it.

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#693081

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “A wave is a sinusoidal function. Nothing is rotating in a wave, ”
> I dare you to construct a sinusoidal wave without using rotation.
> 

Dude, seriously? 
Try singing a B flat. Someone nearby will hear you. Air molecules will be
moving backwards and forwards sinusoidally. None of that sound phenomenon
is a rotation. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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