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Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions

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First post2018-06-29 18:38 -0700
Last post2018-07-05 16:17 -0700
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  Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 18:38 -0700
    Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-06-29 19:15 -0700
    Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-06-29 19:26 -0700
    Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-06-29 21:47 -0700
    Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 14:12 +0000
      Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 08:32 -0700
        Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 09:01 -0700
          Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 17:16 +0000
            Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 10:49 -0700
              Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-01 19:48 -0400
              Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-01 14:44 -0400
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-06 08:44 -0500
            Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 06:57 -0700
            Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 08:04 -0700
              Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 12:32 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 19:43 +0000
                  Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 15:25 -0700
                    Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 23:01 +0000
                      Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 16:43 -0700
                        Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 17:28 -0700
                          Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 01:24 +0000
                            Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 18:51 -0700
                              Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-01 18:56 -0700
                              Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-02 02:02 +0000
                                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 19:26 -0700
                                  Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-02 02:39 +0000
                                    Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 19:55 -0700
                                      Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-02 03:56 +0000
                                        Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 21:43 -0700
                                          Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 12:16 +0000
                                            Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 05:32 -0700
                                              Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 13:56 +0000
                                          Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-02 12:50 +0000
                                            Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 06:31 -0700
                                              Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 13:56 +0000
                                              Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-02 14:59 +0000
                                                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 07:32 -0700
                                                  Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 07:42 -0700
                                                    Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-03 15:02 +0000
                                                    Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 15:11 +0000
                                                      Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-03 17:43 +0000
                                                  Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-03 14:46 +0000
                                                    Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 07:58 -0700
                                                      Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-03 15:07 +0000
                                                        Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 08:12 -0700
                                                          Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 15:32 +0000
                                                          Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-03 18:04 +0000
                                                            Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 11:29 -0700
                                                              Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 18:51 +0000
                                                                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 18:52 +0000
                                                                  Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 02:08 -0700
                                                                    Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 08:05 -0700
                                                                      Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 15:06 -0700
                                                                        Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 23:33 +0000
                                                                        Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-05 00:17 +0000
                                                                          Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 17:34 -0700
                                                                            Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-05 00:40 +0000
                                                                              Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 18:19 -0700
                                                                                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 18:23 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-04 21:46 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-05 19:13 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 12:33 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 12:59 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 22:54 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 22:54 +0000
                                                                                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-05 18:58 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 12:06 -0700
                                                                      Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 23:28 +0000
                                                    Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 08:02 -0700
                                                      Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 15:19 +0000
                                        Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 05:15 -0700
                                          Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-02 12:53 +0000
                                    Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-01 22:23 -0500
                                  Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 13:56 +0000
                              Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 13:56 +0000
                            Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 06:08 -0700
                              Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 14:50 +0000
                                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 11:50 -0700
                                  Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 21:00 +0000
                                    Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 14:40 -0700
                                      Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 22:54 +0000
                                        Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 06:34 -0700
                                          Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-06 14:41 +0000
                                            Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 08:25 -0700
                                              Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 08:38 -0700
                                                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-06 16:16 +0000
                                                  Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 10:44 -0700
                                                    Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 10:55 -0700
                                                      Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-06 11:17 -0700
                                                      Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 20:34 +0000
                                                    Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-06 18:32 +0000
                                                      Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 13:17 -0700
                                                        Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 20:34 +0000
                                                    Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 20:34 +0000
                                                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 20:34 +0000
                                              Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-06 16:07 +0000
                                              Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 20:34 +0000
                                          Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 20:23 +0000
                                          Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-06 14:50 -0700
                                            Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 15:49 -0700
                                              Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-06 22:38 -0700
                                                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-06 22:41 -0700
                                                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-06 23:58 -0700
                              Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 08:04 -0700
                        Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 01:24 +0000
              Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 19:41 +0000
    Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-01 19:00 -0700
      Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-01 22:26 -0500
      Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-02 13:54 -0700
        Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-02 13:57 -0700
          Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 07:13 -0700
            Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-03 14:17 -0700
              Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-03 15:24 -0700
        Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 08:02 -0700
          Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-05 16:17 -0700

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#692521

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-07-03 17:43 +0000
Message-ID<phgck3$1ul$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#692505
Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> writes:

>john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:

>> The only way the asymmetrical GRCs can be explained is precession of 
>> the disc.

>No John, that’s not the only way. It’s a way you like but which has
>problems. Your response is to say, “no choice, it’s the only option,” which
>is an outright lie. 

Yes, John, Odd is correct. Why did you invent some oddball restriction and
claim it's "the only way"? It's not the only way, it's not even a valid
way, unless/until you come up with some source of some enormous torque
required for a precession, plus variable revolution periods that rule out
your beloved 2:1 precession, etc.

I guess the actual answer is it's "the only way" your OCD allows you to 
see it. Don't they have mental health professionals in Canada that can 
help you with that?

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#692499

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-07-03 14:46 +0000
Message-ID<phg28e$4ir$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#692496
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"Discs can be ellipses- got it

>Good. Glad that you realized you were being stupid"

>Ok, Michael- so you're saying that the stars go different speeds on
>the opposite sides of an ellipse, because an ellipse is asymmetrical?

Simple orbital mechanics, John. Newton's laws, Kepler's Second Law and
so forth. You'd know this if you actually read books rather than scoop
stuff out of your butt and posting it here.

> Got it

It would be nice if this was actually true.

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#692501

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-03 07:58 -0700
Message-ID<7812a60c-ce1f-4c0b-9d9f-c70d36027a42@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#692499
MM
So you’re saying that asymmetrical GRCs are because galaxies are elliptical

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#692504

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-07-03 15:07 +0000
Message-ID<phg3fd$el6$3@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#692501
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>So you're saying that asymmetrical GRCs are because galaxies are 
elliptical

Part of it. Galaxies are complicated, they are not about planets orbiting
a pointlike mass like a solar system. The stars have to orbit a
distribution of mass. That's what the whole thing of galactic rotation
curves is all about.

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#692506

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-03 08:12 -0700
Message-ID<e24d946c-d418-481b-b8e1-c20fec78fb00@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#692504
MM
“Part of it. Galaxies are complicated, they are not about planets orbiting 
a pointlike m”
Yes yes.
You do know that the stars used to obtain GRCs are at equal distances from the center, Michael?
How does your idea explain this, again?

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#692508

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-03 15:32 +0000
Message-ID<phg4un$18mf$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#692506
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> “Part of it. Galaxies are complicated, they are not about planets orbiting 
> a pointlike m”
> Yes yes.
> You do know that the stars used to obtain GRCs are at equal distances
> from the center, Michael?
> How does your idea explain this, again?
> 

More mass in one side than the other. Meaning that the gravitational pull
is stronger on one side, meaning that orbital speed on that side is higher.
Geez. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#692527

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-07-03 18:04 +0000
Message-ID<phgdqi$1ul$3@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#692506
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"Part of it. Galaxies are complicated, they are not about planets orbiting
>a pointlike m"
>Yes yes.
>You do know that the stars used to obtain GRCs are at equal distances from
>the center, Michael?
>How does your idea explain this, again?

Just like Odd wrote. A spiral galaxy isn't a smooth homogeneous disk.
It's lumpy and somewhat irregular, with high density here, low density
there, more matter in the arms, less matter between the arms, etc.

(John, quit reading here, I'm about to use some bad words)

Astronomers will look at the star speeds from many parts of a galaxy,
all sides, near the center and at the edges and in between, and they
will create a gravity map from that, corresponding to the mass density
of the galaxy. They will compare that to optical/infrared/radio maps and
the difference will correspond to unseen mass, invisible d*rk m*tt*r.
They will create an actual rough map of the d*rk m*tt*r in the galaxy.
Did you ever track down a 6 year old to explain "invisible heavy stuff"
to you? Some galaxies they have found have almost no d*rk m*tt*r. In many
cases they can check for gravitational lensing to help confirm or refute
their estimates of the amount of d*rk m*tt*r.

You see, that's how real science works. Take the data, come up with a
hypothesis that could explain it, and try to verify or refute it with
more experiments/data. It is NOT "I thought it up so it must be true!"
or butt mining like you, and Plutonium, and several others here seem to 
believe.

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#692531

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-03 11:29 -0700
Message-ID<c8c00586-95f6-49d3-86b0-440b9b209093@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#692527
MM
“Just like Odd wrote. A spiral galaxy isn't a smooth homogeneous disk. 
It's lumpy and somewhat irregular, with high density here, low density”
What are you guys even talking about? How would that average out to the correct GRC?

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#692532

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-03 18:51 +0000
Message-ID<phggjf$1v2m$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#692531
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> “Just like Odd wrote. A spiral galaxy isn't a smooth homogeneous disk. 
> It's lumpy and somewhat irregular, with high density here, low density”
> What are you guys even talking about? How would that average out to the correct GRC?
> 

What do you mean “correct GRC”??
An average is an average, not a target. 
If I’m going to calculate an average temperature over Illinois, I don’t
have some expected value for that average that the average better hit. 

What you CAN do is say, given the lumpiness of the galaxy, I can predict
how much the variation around the average will be. Likewise with
temperatures, if I know something about the size and meteorological
lumpiness of Illinois, I can tell you what the variations of the
temperatures around the average will be. 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#692533

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-03 18:52 +0000
Message-ID<phggla$1v56$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#692532
Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>> MM
>> “Just like Odd wrote. A spiral galaxy isn't a smooth homogeneous disk. 
>> It's lumpy and somewhat irregular, with high density here, low density”
>> What are you guys even talking about? How would that average out to the correct GRC?
>> 
> 
> What do you mean “correct GRC”??
> An average is an average, not a target. 
> If I’m going to calculate an average temperature over Illinois, I don’t
> have some expected value for that average that the average better hit. 
> 
> What you CAN do is say, given the lumpiness of the galaxy, I can predict
> how much the variation around the average will be. Likewise with
> temperatures, if I know something about the size and meteorological
> lumpiness of Illinois, I can tell you what the variations of the
> temperatures around the average will be. 
> 
> 
> 

Did you ever take statistics in high school, John?

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#692587

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-04 02:08 -0700
Message-ID<9fb63e77-a546-4df4-8331-e4417754cd8d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#692533
Odd
“Did you ever take statistics in high school, John? ”
I took it in University

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#692596

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-04 08:05 -0700
Message-ID<6b124e0b-e4de-4185-94ae-a124d1d30ed1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#692587
Odd 
“Did you ever take statistics in high school, John? ” 
I took it in University “

Bottom line: you can prove either side with it

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#692612

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-04 15:06 -0700
Message-ID<a1aab638-3ce2-4457-9f4b-6ab8d1c1ab26@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#692596
Odd
“Odd 
“Did you ever take statistics in high school, John? ” 
I took it in University “ 

Bottom line: you can prove either side with it 
”
At least ur not trying to blame asymmetries on ellipses anymore.
That was annoying

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#692617

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-04 23:33 +0000
Message-ID<phjlgm$150h$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#692612
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “Odd 
> “Did you ever take statistics in high school, John? ” 
> I took it in University “ 
> 
> Bottom line: you can prove either side with it 
> ”
> At least ur not trying to blame asymmetries on ellipses anymore.
> That was annoying
> 

That wasn’t me

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#692619

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-07-05 00:17 +0000
Message-ID<phjo38$jkr$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#692612
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>"Odd
>"Did you ever take statistics in high school, John? "
>I took it in University "

Looks like you didn't remember much.

>At least ur not trying to blame asymmetries on ellipses anymore.
>That was annoying

Why would spiral galaxies being elliptical be 'annoying'?
Because it somehow clashes with your spinny thing OCD?

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#692622

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-04 17:34 -0700
Message-ID<f8f9c8d1-0048-475c-9899-6c1edd5055d3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#692619
MM
“Why would spiral galaxies being elliptical be 'annoying'? 
Because it somehow clashes with your spinny thing OCD? ”
Oh, right Odd. That wasn’t you
:)

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#692623

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-07-05 00:40 +0000
Message-ID<phjpdv$i7$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#692622
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"Why would spiral galaxies being elliptical be 'annoying'?
>Because it somehow clashes with your spinny thing OCD? "
>Oh, right Odd. That wasn't you

So tell us, why are elliptical spiral galaxies annoying?

>:)

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#692625

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-04 18:19 -0700
Message-ID<75d2d9e0-052d-4bf2-befd-69a929f0caaa@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#692623
MM
“So tell us, why are elliptical spiral galaxies annoying? 
”
Haha.
You’re so funny, Michael

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#692626

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-04 18:23 -0700
Message-ID<0dafc926-07a9-4079-830d-22a4e9d3c6e2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#692625
Odd
By the way , Odd - “The majority of 'elliptical' galaxies are not spherical but disc-shaped, resembling spiral galaxies such as our own Milky Way with the gas and dust removed, new observations suggest.”

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/110714101631.htm

So much for your ‘discs are in the minority’ crap.
You gotta keep up, Odd

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#692633

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>
Date2018-07-04 21:46 -0700
Message-ID<phk7qa$o59$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#692626
On 7/4/2018 6:23 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
> By the way , Odd - “The majority of 'elliptical' galaxies are not spherical but disc-shaped

The disc can be circular and/or elliptical, does not really matter here, 
in a sense... Perhaps even kind of depending on "angle of view" wrt the 
observer, and light bending around large of gravity. Say your device is 
the camera, and you end up using it to take several shots from multiple 
angles, at a common target...

Imvvvho, they usually seem have a nice, sort of "__-^^bULb^^-__" in the 
center of the disk, that just might relate to the strength of the 
central massive black hole in the target galaxy. Humm, or perhaps even a 
series of hyper dense star clusters rapidly orbiting the center massive 
black hole?

I do NOT know. Just thinking out loud here. Sorry. ;^o




, resembling spiral galaxies such as our own Milky Way with the gas and 
dust removed, new observations suggest.”
> 
> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/110714101631.htm
> 
> So much for your ‘discs are in the minority’ crap.
> You gotta keep up, Odd
> 

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