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| Started by | "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> |
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| First post | 2018-06-28 15:37 +0000 |
| Last post | 2018-06-28 11:45 -0700 |
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Example of Non-Orthogonal Coordinates "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-06-28 15:37 +0000
Re: Example of Non-Orthogonal Coordinates Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2018-06-28 08:56 -0700
Re: Example of Non-Orthogonal Coordinates Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-28 10:30 -0700
Re: Example of Non-Orthogonal Coordinates Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-28 14:10 -0500
Re: Example of Non-Orthogonal Coordinates Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-06-28 19:56 +0200
Re: Example of Non-Orthogonal Coordinates Puppet_Sock <puppet_sock@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-28 11:45 -0700
| From | "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> |
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| Date | 2018-06-28 15:37 +0000 |
| Subject | Example of Non-Orthogonal Coordinates |
| Message-ID | <ph2vbv01svn@news1.newsguy.com> |
Orthogonal coordinate systems are the most common because they are easy to use. Wikipedia has a list of orthogonal coordinate systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthogonal_coordinates I need some examples of non-orthogonal coordinate systems. The reason is that ALL textbooks present non-orthogonal systems in a totally general way and I want to practice on some actual examples rather than dry generalized systems. Can anyone provide an example or examples of non-orthogonal coordinate systems? By an example I mean the actual functions that relate the Cartesian variables (x, y, z) to the non-orthogonal coordinates (q1, q2, q3): x=f1(q1, q2, q3), y=f2(q1, q2, q3), z=f3(q1, q2, q3) or the inverse relations. I have searched and searched but can find no examples of non-orthogonal coordinates. Skew coordinates are non-orthogonal but I am looking for more complicated examples.
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| From | Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-28 08:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f7cbdacd-cb80-43fb-a377-464786450440@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #692099 |
On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 5:38:18 AM UTC-10, F. Russell wrote: > Orthogonal coordinate systems are the most common > because they are easy to use. Wikipedia has a list > of orthogonal coordinate systems: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthogonal_coordinates > > I need some examples of non-orthogonal coordinate systems. > The reason is that ALL textbooks present non-orthogonal > systems in a totally general way and I want to practice on some > actual examples rather than dry generalized systems. > > Can anyone provide an example or examples of non-orthogonal > coordinate systems? By an example I mean the actual functions > that relate the Cartesian variables (x, y, z) to the > non-orthogonal coordinates (q1, q2, q3): x=f1(q1, q2, q3), > y=f2(q1, q2, q3), z=f3(q1, q2, q3) or the inverse relations. > > I have searched and searched but can find no examples of > non-orthogonal coordinates. Skew coordinates are non-orthogonal > but I am looking for more complicated examples. Spherical coordinates using radius tilted equator angle value A tilted equator angle value B tilted equator angle C four coordinates to define any point
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| From | Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-28 10:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <b621279d-f12f-433f-9b8b-a6ab6b1c6a46@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #692101 |
On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 11:56:47 AM UTC-4, Alan Folmsbee wrote: > On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 5:38:18 AM UTC-10, F. Russell wrote: > > Orthogonal coordinate systems are the most common > > because they are easy to use. Wikipedia has a list > > of orthogonal coordinate systems: > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthogonal_coordinates > > > > I need some examples of non-orthogonal coordinate systems. > > The reason is that ALL textbooks present non-orthogonal > > systems in a totally general way and I want to practice on some > > actual examples rather than dry generalized systems. > > > > Can anyone provide an example or examples of non-orthogonal > > coordinate systems? By an example I mean the actual functions > > that relate the Cartesian variables (x, y, z) to the > > non-orthogonal coordinates (q1, q2, q3): x=f1(q1, q2, q3), > > y=f2(q1, q2, q3), z=f3(q1, q2, q3) or the inverse relations. > > > > I have searched and searched but can find no examples of > > non-orthogonal coordinates. Skew coordinates are non-orthogonal > > but I am looking for more complicated examples. > > Spherical coordinates using > radius > tilted equator angle value A > tilted equator angle value B > > tilted equator angle C > > > four coordinates to define any point Alan, Spherical polar coordinate only require 2 angles. the third coordinate is the radius. three coordinates to define any point. Still orthogonal coordinate system. Sorry Mr. Russel, I cannot contribute a non-orthogonal example. Wonderful question. Please post if you find other examples. Also, perhaps someone in the moderated sci.physics.research group can help. ed
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-28 14:10 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ph3br1$f8m$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #692109 |
On 6/28/2018 12:30 PM, Edward Prochak wrote: > On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 11:56:47 AM UTC-4, Alan Folmsbee wrote: >> On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 5:38:18 AM UTC-10, F. Russell wrote: >>> Orthogonal coordinate systems are the most common >>> because they are easy to use. Wikipedia has a list >>> of orthogonal coordinate systems: >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthogonal_coordinates >>> >>> I need some examples of non-orthogonal coordinate systems. >>> The reason is that ALL textbooks present non-orthogonal >>> systems in a totally general way and I want to practice on some >>> actual examples rather than dry generalized systems. >>> >>> Can anyone provide an example or examples of non-orthogonal >>> coordinate systems? By an example I mean the actual functions >>> that relate the Cartesian variables (x, y, z) to the >>> non-orthogonal coordinates (q1, q2, q3): x=f1(q1, q2, q3), >>> y=f2(q1, q2, q3), z=f3(q1, q2, q3) or the inverse relations. >>> >>> I have searched and searched but can find no examples of >>> non-orthogonal coordinates. Skew coordinates are non-orthogonal >>> but I am looking for more complicated examples. >> >> Spherical coordinates using >> radius >> tilted equator angle value A >> tilted equator angle value B >> >> tilted equator angle C >> >> >> four coordinates to define any point > > Alan, > Spherical polar coordinate only require 2 angles. > the third coordinate is the radius. > > three coordinates to define any point. > Still orthogonal coordinate system. > > Sorry Mr. Russel, > I cannot contribute a non-orthogonal example. > Wonderful question. Please post if you find other examples. > > Also, perhaps someone in the moderated sci.physics.research > group can help. > > ed > Cylindrical coordinates and you can make up some, it is just mapping from one to the other like 1/x, 1/y, and 1/z system, inversion w respect to unit sphere
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| From | Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-28 19:56 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ph37fr$1ef$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #692101 |
Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> Wrote in message: > > > Spherical coordinates using > radius > tilted equator angle value A > tilted equator angle value B > > tilted equator angle C > > > four coordinates to define any point > 3 ones. Radius, angle fi and angle theta. Geographic coordinates ( latitude, longitude and altitude) are de facto spherical coordinates. -- Libor Striz aka Poutnik ( a pilgrim/wanderer/wayfarer) "Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity." Miloš Forman ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
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| From | Puppet_Sock <puppet_sock@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-28 11:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <aff2d470-fcc9-45f4-b5e4-35be0be2e65d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #692099 |
On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 11:38:18 AM UTC-4, F. Russell wrote: [snip] > I have searched and searched but can find no examples of > non-orthogonal coordinates. Skew coordinates are non-orthogonal > but I am looking for more complicated examples. Sure. Basis coordinates of crystal structures where the unit cell is a six-sided box where the sides don't meet in 90 degree angles. I spent all of 2 minutes looking for an example of such but didn't find. In a similar line, coordinates for lattice structures based on hexagonal prisms. The first two coords are 60 degrees apart, and the third is perpendicular to the first two, pointing along the axis of the prism.
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