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#56page How stars like our Sun really shine and where they get their energy-- not fusion but Faraday law// tossing out the fakery Bohr atom & Bethe solar fusion// TRUE CHEMISTRY 2018

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  #56page  How stars like our Sun really shine and where they get their energy-- not fusion but Faraday law// tossing out the fakery Bohr atom & Bethe solar fusion// TRUE CHEMISTRY 2018 Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 11:22 -0700
    Re: Archimedes "just not bolted down too tight in the first place" Plutonium flunked the physics lifetime-generation test moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-15 20:54 +0000
      3-10 Samples of Teaching True Mathematics Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 15:53 -0700

#690735 — #56page How stars like our Sun really shine and where they get their energy-- not fusion but Faraday law// tossing out the fakery Bohr atom & Bethe solar fusion// TRUE CHEMISTRY 2018

FromArchimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-15 11:22 -0700
Subject#56page How stars like our Sun really shine and where they get their energy-- not fusion but Faraday law// tossing out the fakery Bohr atom & Bethe solar fusion// TRUE CHEMISTRY 2018
Message-ID<a0c87d4c-aeca-4379-8670-629c5757ce70@googlegroups.com>
#56page

How stars like our Sun really shine and where they get their energy-- not fusion but Faraday law// tossing out the fakery Bohr atom & Bethe solar fusion// TRUE CHEMISTRY 2018

I mounted this challenge of truth and logic of what makes stars shine with energy, before, but only now do I seem able to point to the details.

What I am doing is tossing out the complete Bohr model of the atom, especially the part where it says:

--- quoting Mortimer CHEMISTRY: A Conceptual Approach, 4th ed, 1979, page 33 ---

4. When an electron falls back to a lower level, it emits a definite amount of energy. The energy difference between the high energy state and the low energy state is emitted in the form of a quantum of light. The light quantum has a characteristic frequency (and wave-length) and produces a characteristic spectral line In spectral studies, many atoms are absorbing energy at the same time that many others are emitting it. Each spectral line corresponds to a different electron transition.

--- end quoting Mortimer ---

I am ready to tackle this problem. Perhaps one of my finest of all corrections in physics, other than Atom Totality, for what I am about to do is tell science how the Sun really works.

Until now, no-one was able to tell how the sun really works. And what we had was Bethe fusion idea. Which is utterly silly for a logical mind. The idea that the Sun shines energy because its atoms are fusing and thus releasing energy in the fusion process is 180 degrees counter opposite the idea that the Sun and stars are so hot that they ionize their atoms. Heat, high temperature plasma physics is counter opposite to fusion.

Analogy: think of water and its molecules. If you apply heat, you send the water molecules apart, not fusing them together, but separating them.

Ionization is making a substance to be plasma physics, not the physics of fusion.

So, how does the Sun and all stars really shine with energy. What is the energy source of our Sun and all stars?

Stars shine because its atoms are doing Faraday Law of thrusting bar magnets of its muons inside the proton as a coil, yielding magnetic monopoles. Magnetic Monopoles are electricity. And in normal cool environment like Earth or planets, these monopoles inside atoms produced by the muon thrusting through protons are stored inside neutrons as capacitors. But in a star like our Sun, the environment is a hot plasma environment and the storage of the newly created monopole is not stored at all but is emitted as spectral line energy.

Stars shine with energy, not by fusion of its atoms.

Stars shine with energy, due to the Faraday Law that its atoms are converting Space in which their muons thrust through the space of a proton coil and produce monopoles, which are radiated into Space exterior of the star. 

Do not get me wrong, there is a tiny tiny amount of fusion going on in stars, but the predominant outpouring of energy from stars is that of Faraday Law producing monopoles and because the environment of stars is so extremely hot, and ionizing environment, that the atoms of stars just cannot storage their monopole production and thus, radiate that energy to make stars shine.

PROOF: If the Sun were shining due to fusion, then the energy emitted would be the Bohr electron falling back to a lower energy level-- Contradiction-- for the atoms are already ionized due to high temperatures, so the atoms cannot emit energy from electrons falling into lower energy level.

So, that leaves just one plausible logical explanation. The spectral lines are created from Faraday Law producing monopoles inside of atoms of stars, and instead of storing the monopoles in neutrons, they are quickly radiated outward from the star into space.

AP

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#690757 — Re: Archimedes "just not bolted down too tight in the first place" Plutonium flunked the physics lifetime-generation test

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-06-15 20:54 +0000
SubjectRe: Archimedes "just not bolted down too tight in the first place" Plutonium flunked the physics lifetime-generation test
Message-ID<pg1919$6n0$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#690735
Back to attacking, I see...not very smart....

Archimedes Plutonium fails:

>I have please asked Google to engineer a delete key to original authors of 
>threads-- so they can delete rabid stalkers like Burse, Moroney

>Google, please give original authors of a thread the power to delete any 
>followup post to that thread. Moroney is a 26 year long stalker, whose 
>only message is I hate your guts and say anything to oppose you.

>Please engineer a delete key to make sci.math a level playing field, where 
>original authors can develop their ideas in one thread, not be hassled and 
>bullied by gangs of stalkers whose only game is ad hominem and get you 
>kicked out or run away. And if you have a crazy like Moroney, let him 
>start his own thread and poop all over the walls there.

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#690776 — 3-10 Samples of Teaching True Mathematics

FromArchimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-15 15:53 -0700
Subject3-10 Samples of Teaching True Mathematics
Message-ID<80ddb181-508c-4688-b6d2-09fccc4365d8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#690757
3-10 the Non Sequitur, the most often seen fallacy in science

NON SEQUITUR

Most common Logic fallacy is Non Sequitur--2nd most common-- Ad Hominem. All Ad Hominem arguments are Non Sequitur, but not all Non Sequitur arguments are containing ad hominems.


NON SEQUITUR-- it means "it does not follow"


Alright amazed in that Copi in his book "Introduction to Logic" does not include the Non Sequitur fallacy. Was looking for examples, and found some in Wikipedia under Formal Fallacy. But then again I warn all teachers and students to stay away and avoid Old Logic books for they are riddled full of error.


source- Wikipedia
1) "Some of your key evidence is missing, incomplete, or even faked! That proves I'm right!"

2) "The vet can't find any reasonable explanation for why my dog died. See! See! That proves that you poisoned him!"

3) Life is life and fun is fun, but it's all so quiet when the goldfish die.

What is that form, that syllogism of the above three arguments. How does that relate to the form of Modus Ponens?

Well, we see that we can apply if--then.

So let us apply that to the above three examples in Wikipedia:

1) If, if some of your key evidence is then missing, incomplete or even faked, then, that proves, I'm right.

2) If, if the vet can't find any reasonable explanation for why my dog died, then, that be the case, that proves that you, then poisoned him.

3) If, if life is life and fun is fun, then it's all so quiet, then the goldfish dies.

So, what we can see as a structure of the argument in all three above examples is a nested if--then inside a larger if--then.

Nested like this:

If, if-->then, -->then.

We see a nesting of a smaller if--then, inside a larger If--then.

If A, then B is the larger and suppose A were a smaller if--then as if C then D.

So we could write that as If, if C--then D, then B.

Students, do you see two IF--thens, where the smaller if--then becomes nested in the larger IF-- then. Do you see that? It is a Double IF-- then. 

Earlier in this textbook we learned IF then was the Material Conditional. It is called the Material Conditional or the Implication connector. And here we have a Double Conditional.

The NonSequitur of Logic is a Double Conditional.

So in all three examples above the final "then...." do not really follow from the 
If... if-->then...then, that final then does not follow from prior If..if-->then

Most of living of life is doing logic, in the mind and in everyday conversation, in our actions and reactions and what we do every moment of the day is either the use of Good Logic or fallacy. This is why it is more important to teach students how to think straight and clear than to be teaching them how to do mathematics. Math needs logic, but logic does not need math.

So, to finish off Grade School mathematics, it is very important that we teach students not just details of numbers and geometry but teach students how to think straight, think clearly, think logically, even more important than just teaching mathematics. 

Now the world's most often used fallacy of argument is probably the Non Sequitur as shown above of the If, if--then, -- then. Non Sequitur means -- does not follow.

Here is an example I picked up from the Internet in sci.physics the other day.

"Lithium is rare, because oxygen is common."

This is the chemical elements of lithium and oxygen, although the 14 year old has not taken chemistry yet, they should be familiar with chemical elements.

So, how is that a fallacy of logic?

Well, it is easy to construct another fallacy.

"Squirrels are rare, because trees are common."

And we know that squirrels are just plain, not rare. And we know trees are common. And we know that if you have more trees, means you have much more squirrels.

We see a disconnect in thought, from 

A to B

where B has little to no relationship with A

So, in syllogism of Lithium is rare, because oxygen is common would go like this:

If, if lithium then rare, then oxygen is abundant.

Also,

If, if squirrels then rare, then trees are abundant.

Do you see how the second "then" has no relationship to the first if--then. Do you see a disconnect.

It is easy to make up examples of NonSequitur, for all you need do is have two parts of a sentence in which the first part is unrelated to the second.

Teacher, make up a list of NonSequitur for homework and ask the students to provide a list of their own nonsequiturs, of about 10 nonsequiturs and read some of them aloud in class. And analyze those students nonsequiturs.

AP


Here are some fallacies of math I picked up from the Internet over the years.

Fallacy of Unable to Think Straight, what we would call NonComprehension. The person cannot comprehend what is the topic of discussion. Some would say-- ignorant.

On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 10:08:09 AM UTC-6, Peter Percival wrote: 
> Dan Christensen wrote: 
> > On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 9:47:32 AM UTC-5, Archimedes Plutonium wrote: 
> >> On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 8:27:19 AM UTC-6, Dan Christensen wrote: 
> >>> On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 9:16:52 AM UTC-5, Archimedes Plutonium wrote: 
> >>>> PAGE58, 8-3, True Geometry / correcting axioms, 1by1 tool, angles of logarithmic spiral, conic sections unified regular polyhedra, Leaf-Triangle, Unit Basis Vector 
> >>>> 
> >>>> The axioms that are in need of fixing is the axiom that between any two points lies a third new point. 
> >>> 
> >>> The should be "between and any two DISTINCT points." 
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> What a monsterous fool you are 
> >> 
> > 
> > OMG. You are serious. Stupid and proud of it. 
> 
> And yet Mr Plutonium is right.  Two points are distinct (else they would 
> be one) and it is not necessary to say so. 
> 


Fallacy of Arrogance and Ignorance what we used to call stubborn. For the person below never understood what Percentage in math was.

> percentage for Moroney, 938 is what percent short of 945 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 12:30:22 AM UTC-6, Michael Moroney wrote: 
> > 
> > Silly boy, that's off by more than 12.6 MeV, or 12% of the mass of a muon. 
> > Hardly "exactly" 9 muons. 
> 
> Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 9:52:21 AM UTC-6, Michael Moroney wrote: 
> 
> > 
> > Or, 938.2720813/105.6583745 = 8.88024338572.  A proton is about the mass 
> > of 8.88 muons, not 9. About 12% short. 



Fallacy of Subjective Opinion when working in Science that requires Objectivity. Here is a fallacy that is often occurring while doing science, and it is very very common. Where a person believes in some opinion of his own, his own opinion rather than let Science and the method of Science divulge or discover the truth behind the topic. Where we think the truth is our opinion, but the science itself is something else. Science operates on Objectivity, not on subjective opinions. And many, many, too many people in science function on subjectivity, when they should be functioning on objectivity.



> Mike Moroney, --on geothermal 
> 
> 
> (1) 
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 12:15:22 AM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: 
> 
> > 
> > There are some places here that use "geothermal" for heating and cooling 
> > but even these are solar power in disguise.  They pump water from wells 
> > from where the temperature is the average over many years and extract heat 
> > from it (in the winter) and dump heat into it (in the summer) and pump the 
> > water back into the ground.  The water is about 55F out of the ground. 
> 
> 
> 
> (2) 
> On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 1:31:27 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:   
> 
> > 
> > >Just as a point of order, what you described is not geothermal. What 
> > >you've just described is thermal balancing with water, using water 
> > >cooler than air from the water table to cool a building in the summer, 
> > >and using water warmer than air from the water table to warm a building 
> > >in the winter. 
> > 
> > In other words, glorified solar energy.  Solar energy stored and averaged 
> > out over many, many years. 
> > 
> 
> (3) 
> On Friday, December 23, 2016 at 8:44:12 PM UTC-6, Michael Moroney wrote: 
> 
> > 
> > Admit it, you were fooled by a "This Old House" type show where they 
> > use a high-tech sounding buzzword to impress people who don't know any 
> > better. 
> > 
> > Just answer one question, if you can.  If it's really geothermal, why 
> > is the temperature only 51 degrees, but in Iceland, where there's real 
> > geothermal, they're accessing temperatures of hundreds of degrees? 
> 
> 
> (4) 
> > On Friday, December 23, 2016 at 10:40:09 AM UTC-6, Michael Moroney wrote: 
> 
> > > 
> > > Pretty cool, fossil solar energy! 51 degrees, the average of summer and 
> > > winter temperatures for hundreds or even thousands of years, depending 
> > > on how deep they go. 
> > > 
> > > Too bad you do have to use real energy to run the heat pump, although it 
> > > is much better than simply using that energy to make heat. 
> > 
> 
> (5) 
> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 12:30:56 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: 
> 
> > 
> > It's amusing how he can't handle that at all. Just like he can't 
> > handle the concept of permafrost when he goes off on geothermal 
> > energy.  All he can do is attack. 
> 
> (6) 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, October 14, 2017 at 12:21:15 AM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: 
> 
> > geothermal heat energy is 99% from the sun where he was (unsure where, 
> > Mass. I think) 
> > 
> > Now tell us where Permafrost comes from. 
> > 
> > p.p.s. I was searching because I am actually looking into getting 
> > geothermal heat. Fossil solar energy is a great resource! 
> 
> 


Fallacy of Subjectivity, when you take your own opinion as the truth -you cannot think straight

> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 10:22:09 AM UTC-5, alouatta....@gmail.com wrote:
> Re: No, AP, when you slice a cone from the apex, it will lie flat.
Poor AP. Can't use use scissors correctly. Holds them at the wrong end.

- show quoted text -
>No, AP.  You don't hold the scissors at the pointed end.  Oh wait, maybe you're using blunted scissors for kids.  Be careful, anyway.


Major Math fallacies

1) Ellipse is a cylinder section (cut) never a conic section

2) Sine and Cosine are not sinusoid waves, but a semicircle wave because in unit circle the value of 90 degrees is 1, meaning, the value of 180 degrees is not 3.14... but is rather instead a value of 2. In math-- it is a fallacy to think you can stretch the x-axis from being a value of 2, to a value of 3.14.... and not ruin the true wave of sine.

3) .9999... never equals 1, and that 1/3 is really .3333..33(+1/3) as Newton discovered way way back in 1600s with what he called the Compleat Quotient, yet our modern day foolish professors of math never learned Newton, and still think that 1/3 is .3333....

4) It is a fallacy of math, to think you can define finite and define infinity, and not have a borderline between them, to tell you if a number is finite or infinite.

--------



Lesson 3-11 Ad Hominem


AD HOMINEM--it means "to the person" or "attack the person"

Generally every person in the world knows when they heard another person attacking someone. We hear voices raised and reasoning gone. We hear fight. But words on a computer or in writing we hear nothing and we see just words, but it is easy to tell if the discussion is attack, or if it is reasoned discussion.

Here is an example from the Internet in sci.math of Ad Hominem of a writer who hates the person he is talking to, and no matter what the topic is, the message is always the same-- I hate your guts.

On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 2:00:46 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
> 
> But can you tell us what is wrong with the following proof that the
> ellipse is a conic section? After all, you say the ellipse is not a
> conic section and what Archimedes Plutonium says is true is true, right?

The trouble with Moroney, his ad hominem, is that it has gone on for 26 years now, starting 1993, and what the USA Constitution and Declaration of Independence has Freedom of Speech, it also recognizes in the Declaration, that people have a right to be "not abused". People have the right that if someone is pestering you and bothering you for 26 years straight. People who are bullies and never recognize when to "go away and leave the other person alone", stalking bullies, that their ad hominem stalking is abnormal and they need medical attention. For, everyone, has the right to tell another person-- go away, leave me alone.

Here is another Ad Hominem, toned down, but still hatred, not reasoning, not math, not science. There is an English term for this sort of ad hominem, called "needling someone". They do not care about science or understanding, all they want to do is harass someone. They get their rocks off when they needle someone during the day. They are also mentally disturbed people. Because, doing science or just doing a reasoned argument, should never be about "attacking the person", never be subjective, never be about fighting just to get your way. This is what we call a "bully", a person who is a bully and wants to win, win win even if it means attacking and fighting you to win a argument.

On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 7:15:06 AM UTC-5, konyberg wrote:
> 
> Why don't you answer his question; instead of repeating it?
> Or is it that you can't?
> You just not know the mathematics?
> KON

And, Ad Hominem need not be profanity and swear words all over the place, no, it can be just as bad without swear words, as this example shows. And why in logic, the Ad Hominem fallacy used by someone for long periods of time is in need of a psychiatrist and that Ad Hominem frequent use by a person belongs more in psychology and mental health than it is a topic of logic or math. Stalkers are persons who just cannot leave alone someone else who they focus upon to attack, and thus, stalkers are insane people.

On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 3:48:23 PM UTC-5, Dan Christensen wrote:
> Perhaps you missed this little test that I created just for you, Archie:
> 
> Use any aids. Answer in the space provided. 
> 
> 1. What is the sine of 45 degrees to 3 decimal places?    ____________ 
>   
> 2. True or false:  10^604 = 0    ____________ 
>   
> 3. If A is true and B is false, then A AND B is ____________ (true or false). 
> 
> 4. If A is true and B is true, then A OR B is ____________ (true or false). 
> 
> 
> Care to give it a try? Not today? Oh, well.
> 
> 
> Dan

If you never seen a Dan post before, and for the first time you see a Dan post, you would not be thinking, perhaps, this is a stalker ad hominem, insane bully. It has no swear words. But once you see that Dan repeats and repeats the same thing over and over, each sentence oozing in hatred of the person he is addressing.

In the science newsgroups are two concepts often used-- "crank" and "crackpot". Crank means your repeat something over and over that gets on the nerves of others, and usually, they crank false ideas, sometimes a crank can crank true ideas, it is just that they have some screws loose in their brain, and want to repeat. And crackpot means, crazy ideas, instantly wrong for they are anti-science ideas and never use the "scientific method". Now, you couple those two concepts, crank and crackpot and couple them with stalking, so you have (1) crank (2) crackpot (3) stalker and you have a huge bundle of psychology disease of insanity. Psychology is a science, but cranks, crackpots and stalkers are subjects for the study of diseased minds.

Here is an example of Ad Hominem that is openly hostile. And not only has this person been openly hostile to AP for over 5 years on the Internet in newsgroup of sci.math, swearing and profanity he throws at AP, but has also attempted to take down the Wikipedia page of AP, and is implicated as forging the name of AP in Math Stack Exchange-- openly hostile to AP for 5 years.

Wikipedia entry of Archimedes Plutonium-- where in 2017, Jan Burse attempts to tear down AP's entry:
	•	(cur | prev) 14:09, 6 March 2017‎ DMacks (talk | contribs)‎ . . (20,500 bytes) (+1,287)‎ . . (unexplained removal of on-topic and somewhat-cited content Undid revision 768910666 by Janburse (talk)) (undo)
	•	(cur | prev) 13:51, 6 March 2017‎ Janburse (talk | contribs)‎ . . (19,213 bytes) (-1,287)‎ . . (→‎Eccentric believers) (undo)

Ad Hominem is also where you forge other people's names, for a bully loves to denigrate defile other people, here is where a bully forged the name of AP to Math Stack Exchange

8
Prove that
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∞
n=0
a
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z
n
∑
n
=
0
∞
a
n
z
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converges absolutely and uniformly in
D
D
.
Sep 5 '17

4
Munkres Topology, page 102, question 19:a
Sep 5 '17

4
What is the closure of
(0,1)
(
0
,
1
)
in
ℝ
k
R
k
?
Aug 28 '17

4
If the complex series
∑
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n=0
a
n
∑
n
=
0
∞
a
n
converges, show that there exists a positive number
A
A
such that
|
a
n
|≤A
|
a
n
|
≤
A
for all
n
n
.
Sep 4 '17

3
Determine whether the following series is convergent or divergent, and find its sum if it is convergent.
Sep 3 '17

3
Show that
[1/2,1]∉
𝒯
1Y
[
1
/
2
,
1
]
∉
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1
Y
.
Aug 18 '17

2
How do I show that the following series converges in
ℂ
C
?
Aug 20 '17

2
Is
(−∞,α)
(
−
∞
,
α
)
closed in the topological space
ℝ
k
R
k
?
Aug 24 '17

2
Munkres Topology, page 102, question 19:b
Sep 5 '17

2
Munkres Topology, page 102, questions 19:c and 19:d
Sep 5 '17

So this is ad hominem at its worst-- open flagrant hostility towards another person, forging their names for their entertainment and putting down that other person.

Now recently I checked into a email service for security of positive identity, something all new internet firms should do, -- yet Math Stack Exchange -- flaunts the rules. But this happened also when Facebook was going public as a internet company, where someone forged Archimedes Plutonium to Facebook. For these companies do not care about "you" your privacy, your dignity, all they care about is big money.

Anyway to check-in-aboard, they wanted a telephone number to verify I am who I say I am. To register for a new account, I had to give a telephone number and a email address, so the company to verify that the phone number name matches with email name. Some means of checking whether the person is who the person says he is.

Anyway, all internet companies should have a means of name verification, lest, we see our names forged to every new fan dangled new company coming on line. And not forged by bullies like Jan Burse, who never grew up and delights in harrassing, pestering, ad hominem other people. Because if Math Stack Exchange had verification of name with telephone number. I would not now see this horrible Math Stack Exchange forgery of Archimedes Plutonium. 

This is one reason I hate new startup Internet companies because a throng of ad hominem hatemongers like Burse goes running over to all these new companies and forges the names of all those innocent people he hates. I say, put Burse in jail for all the pestering he has inflicted on innocent people. 

Openly aggressive bullies like Jan Burse need medical attention.

On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 1:34:59 PM UTC-5, Jan Burse...@gmail.com wrote:
> You can write:
> 
>    A fart B
> 
>    A AP brain farto is an idiot B
> 
>    A n B  
> 

A immediate clue that a person with a discussion is Ad Hominem is the use of swear words or calling you a name, or slur. In the 1990s when I posted to the science newsgroups with my legal name as Archimedes Plutonium, I did not mind seeing Archie, people calling me AP or Archie. But then, when someone would say Arky, immediately that places that person as hostile ad hominem, and have no further dealings with him.

I am told the pharmaceutical industry has drugs to calm a young person so they can go to school and be "normal like others". One drug called Ritalin, for "attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder. Question I have, is Ritalin help stalkers behave like normal people? Well, we need some drugs for cranks, and stalkers, and I wonder if those calming drugs are effective for stalkers-- can they stop their stalking by taking these medications given to some students, and apparently, quite a few adults need medication.

So, now, it is easy for 14 year olds to know when someone is doing Ad Hominem, easy because it feels like fighting and not about seeking knowledge and understanding. It feels like "attack", and curse words are a big clue that it is ad hominem, not discussion, not debate, no learning. Ad hominem is subjectivity, not objectivity.

Now it is easy for students of 14 years old to figure out if a reply is ad hominem or not, and so I will spend no further time with Ad Hominem except to tell the student how to best deal with Ad Hominem if it happens to you. So much of school learning is to tell you what something "is" but never tell you how to deal with it. The best way to deal with ad hominem if it happens to you, --live face to face-- is simply walk away. I remember a laughable walk away of the music group Bee Gees who walked out of a Clive Anderson interview with ad hominem. 

Quoting from internet: 

“By the halfway point, Barry is visibly annoyed by Anderson's inanities. The straw that breaks the camel's back is apparently Anderson's reaction to the news that the brothers once called themselves “Les Tossers”—when Barry gets up to leave a few minutes later, he takes a moment to call Anderson a “tosser” too.Nov 4, 2013 

Admirably handled, for when another person is "attacking you", simply just walk away. Warning-- dear 14 year olds and older-- do not walk away from you parents-- thinking they are ad hominem you, this advice on my part is people not in your family. But if the attacker physically attacks you, well, you have to engage for that is what the attacker wants in the first place-- fight. Now if the ad hominem is not face to face, but like so much conversation on the Internet, these days, where you never see the attacker ad hominem person, here again, walk away or ignore. I did that to two stalkers of more than 20 years worth of their attacks. This I did with the above who attacked for 26 years, and finally in the last years I, decided to use the attacker. By using, you crowd the attacker Ad Hominem, crowd him with good normal people, surround him with good normal people, people that may see him face to face, wherever he lives and is posting his attack messages, and then there is the chance that some good normal person will stop his bad ugly stalking behavior. There is never a chance that you can stop him, for he is insane, you cannot reason with insane people, especially after doing it for 26 years. You cannot reason with him/them, for what they want is you to leave, to drive you out, and he attacks you every day. The subject is immaterial, for it can be math, or science or politics or cooking or gardening, it matters not, his only desire is for you to be driven out or kicked out. The moment you see someone ad hominem you, there is no point in responding to him, for his goal is not understanding or knowledge, his goal is only one thing-- you beaten up and kicked out. In English we have a word for a person like this, who does mostly just Ad Hominem-- it is "bully". And some people are just insane bullies all their life long. What stops the bully is usually they get into one fight too many and end up in prison jail.

So, first advice if you do not want to fight, is walk away, which is the most prudent, if I can do it for 20 years, you can do it, and after 20 years it will have gone away by itself.  You, see, the case with bully stalkers is that their bad behavior, their ad hominem, is not limited to you, but the bully does it to others and it is only a matter of time in which the bully meets up with someone that pommels him or law enforcement gets the bully.

The second advice if the bully continues and continues is to crowd him around good people, keep surrounding the insane bully with good people, and then one of those good people will see the ugly bully and usher him away.


Lesson 3-13 Occam's Razor



Yes, this is going to be a long, very long lesson and here we teach Occam's Razor to 14 year olds for Occam's Razor is a very important technique of Logic, to know what is likely true, but also to know it is not necessarily true.

Newsgroups: sci.math
Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 13:36:27 -0700 (PDT)

A month ago you fixed it 

Please fix it again 

Where there is a iphone, below is a disconnect iphone 

And please can you give names of these villain hackers 

AP 

On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 3:58:21 PM UTC-5, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
Oh i see there is a new Apple update on security iOS 11.3.1 

That is making the Disconnect from iphone 

Trouble is the new update is not in prominent display and had to seek it out 

Newsgroups: sci.math
Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 17:45:08 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: 
please design computers for outward only users Re: Dear Apple 
From: Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium....@gmail.com>
Injection-Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 00:45:08 +0000


please design computers for outward only users Re: Dear Apple 

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Totally totally bizarre day. 

Could not connect iphone to computer, for it showed a Disconnect-- which happened about a month ago and found out I had to go into town to a wifi and download security update. 

So I thought I had to download the latest iOS11.3.1 

So there I was in town at McDonalds to get wifi 

But the download never succeeded. 

Finally had to call and find out that if I plug my iphone directly into the computer-- that all is well. 

So is that the magic? 

And there for a moment I thought the Russians were sick and tired of reading and listening to AP posts admonishing the US and EU and UK join as one supernation. 

Or the Chinese got fed up with AP posts admonishing for a total ban on all Chinese exports. 

And so, they attack AP, but, what saves AP is plug the cord from iphone to computer, and all the bad guys are locked out. 

So, honestly, I do not know if hackers are trying to destroy AP's access to the newsgroups, because just recently some hackers tried to make my iphone button to turn the phone on-- make me have to press, press press yet it never turned on. And then Apple fixed it remotely. 

I long for the bygone era where I bought a computer and never updated anything, letting it go for years without updates, all because I wanted to Post OUT, and anything incoming was more of a threat, than any good. But the computer industry wants connected connected connected. Me, with my messages, I only want -- transmission outward, to teach the masses, and I do not want them -- infiltrating in for they mean only harm. I want to post out, and not be connected to nerds and stalkers trying to get in and plant viruses. 

So the good old days are gone and every month, perhaps, everyone with Apple computers has to make way for some update on security, that lays your computer rather low. 

Please Apple, design some software for people who just want to look outwards, post outwards, and that computer with the switch turned off-- does not allow anyone, anypersons, any government to connect inwards to that computer. Have a button that if ON, means you want two way connectivity, and if OFF, means the owner wants no-one able to infiltrate his computer, yet he can post outwards and look and surf outwards. No inward stream. 

AP 

Newsgroups: sci.math
Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 19:59:12 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: 
Re: please design computers for outward only users Re: Dear Apple 
From: Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium....@gmail.com>
Injection-Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 02:59:12 +0000


Re: please design computers for outward only users Re: Dear Apple 

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So, what happened today? Was the iphone security update by Apple iOS11.3.1, was that a complete sheer fakery? Because, well, if Apple had a update, my phone is always on, so why in the world would not Apple simply install the new version of security directly into the iphone. 

Was it a hacker fake update, that would disconnect my iphone from the hotspot to computer. 

Making me run into town to a wifi. 

Or is it that Apple and AT&T are not coordinated in changes in their software. 

Or is it a hacker that applies a wifi that interfers with phone numbers and connections. And thus, the reason that my computer now works being directly plugged into the iphone. 

Or, is AP a test model case for computer companies to see if they can try out their new fangled diddly do. Because they know AP will be posting immediately if messed with. Sort of where they get the expression "don't F--- with me" 

AP 


Newsgroups: sci.math
Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 21:28:41 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Is there a law against people disconnecting other peoples computer
From: Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium....@gmail.com>
Injection-Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 04:28:41 +0000

Is there a law against people disconnecting other peoples computer

So, what is this form of hacking or ruining someone elses computer where your hotspot to connect shows up with a line below saying "Disconnect from iphone" 

Is it a wifi connection 

And how is a cord plug in the means and way to getting around the "disconnect" 

On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 2:02:15 AM UTC-5, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
Is there a law against people disconnecting other peoples computer

So now really i have to ask— is there someone inside Apple, a employee of Apple that is pestering Archimedes Plutonium 

First by making the bezel button almost impossible to turn on the iphone 

Then running a Disconnect iphone to my hotspot and showing a fake update of iOS 11.3.1 

I mean Occam’ Razor—the most simple of explanations is -often- not necessarily but most often the true explanation 

In this case— a employee of Apple harrassing AP 

How else do i explain an update that does not exist

On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 9:49:03 AM UTC-5, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
using this incident as an example of Occam's Razor in Logic Re: Is there a law against people disconnecting other peoples computer

Yes, I am going to use this as a example of Occam's Razor in the book Teaching True Mathematics. 
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In the news recently is where a Court said Trump illegally blocked other persons from Twitter in replying to Trump's tweets. The court ruled freedom of speech, and you cannot block like that. 

So, I have been critical of Trump ever since elected, and could my "disconnect from iphone" be a Trump call where he instructs some government agency-- "block that Archimedes Plutonium" 

Occam's Razor is a beautiful tool of Logic, but realize, it is not a proof tool. 

So, student, which is "the most simple explanation" for why AP could not access the internet on May25, 2018 because my iphone could not connect? Is it someone in Apple, or is the most simple explanation that Trump's government blocked AP? 

Occam's Razor is used most often in helping to solve murder cases or criminal cases. And one of the most often pieces of evidence is a Occam's Razor evidence-- who was the victim seen by-- last. The criminal is most often the last person the victim was with, not necessarily the criminal but in most cases, the criminal. That is why the police want to find out who was the last person to see the victim. 

AP 


Newsgroups: sci.math
Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 08:48:32 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: using this incident as an example of Occam's Razor in Logic Re:
 Is there a law against people disconnecting other peoples computer
From: Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium....@gmail.com>
Injection-Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 15:48:33 +0000


Re: using this incident as an example of Occam's Razor in Logic Re: Is there a law against people disconnecting other peoples computer

On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 10:14:55 AM UTC-5, alouatta....@gmail.com wrote: 

> 
> It's me, AP!  You still seem to think I have something to do with Stanford, Berkeley and Cal Tech, but I'm nowhere near there.  I've been working with Apple Amsterdam for some time, and we do know about you and read what you say here.  Your iPhone will be fine soon.  We're just making a few adjustments for your own good. 

So, students, here we have a confession of sorts from a howler monkey "alouatta coibensis" living in Amsterdam, swinging from tree to tree from California to Dutch Netherlands, and disrupting the telephone connections of Archimedes Plutonium. Of course, students, I am joking here, for everything on the Internet has to be taken with a grain of salt, that you have to verify, verify and verify, whenever some lone person says something. 

Occam's Razor is a great tool, especially for police in solving cases. 

What is Occam's Razor? It is the most simple of all explanations-- is usually the true explanation of what happened. 

In my case of being disconnected from the Internet on 25May, 2018, the most simple explanation is that my iphone is Apple, my computer is Apple, my connection company is AT&T, and I am a critic of Russia, of China and the Trump administration. Which of these would be the most simple explanation for why my computer was disconnected? 

1) Apple 
2) AT&T 
3) Russia hacks 
4) China hacks 
5) Trump (USA) hacks 

Which is the most simple explanation? 

I would say Apple, because it has my iphone and my computer. 

And, it was AT&T that helped me on 25May by telling me that if I Plugged-In a cord directly from iphone to computer, I bypass the interfering hackers altogether. 

So, student, the most simple explanation is -- Apple did it to me-- pestered me. 

AP

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