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Binary Black Holes

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  Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 06:22 -0700
    Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 15:07 +0000
    Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-15 17:31 +0000
      Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 04:34 -0700
        Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-16 12:43 +0000
          Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 13:20 -0700
            Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 22:37 +0000
            Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 05:16 +0000
        Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 12:47 +0000
    Re: Binary Black Holes grahamcooper7@gmail.com - 2018-04-16 20:05 -0700
      Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 21:50 -0700
        Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 05:22 +0000
          Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 06:16 -0700
            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 06:29 -0700
              Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 14:54 +0000
                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 10:18 -0700
                  Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 17:52 +0000
                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 11:36 -0700
                      Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 18:51 +0000
                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 19:07 +0000
                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 13:11 -0700
                          Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 20:34 +0000
                          Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 20:55 +0000
                            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 14:18 -0700
                              Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 21:43 +0000
                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 15:03 -0700
                                  Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 22:34 +0000
                                  Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 22:41 +0000
                                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 15:56 -0700
                                      Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 23:20 +0000
                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 17:31 -0700
                                          Re: Binary Black Holes pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 18:07 -0700
                                          Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 01:14 +0000
                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 23:29 +0000
                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 23:38 -0700
                                          Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-18 17:23 +0000
                                            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 10:55 -0700
                                              Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-18 20:15 +0000
                                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 13:51 -0700
                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 00:21 +0000
                                                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 17:37 -0700
                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-19 02:14 +0000
                                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 22:31 -0700
                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 12:17 -0500
                                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 14:07 -0700
                                                          Re: Binary Black Holes pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-19 14:45 -0700
                                                            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 14:59 -0700
                                                              Re: Binary Black Holes pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-19 15:06 -0700
                                                          Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 03:11 +0000
                                                            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 20:31 -0700
                                                              Re: Binary Black Holes pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-19 20:39 -0700
                                                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 05:35 -0700
                                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 06:11 -0700
                                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-20 07:35 -0700
                                                                    Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-20 15:28 +0000
                                                              Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 21:26 +0000
                                                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 14:55 -0700
                                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 04:20 +0000
                                                                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 06:03 -0700
                                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-21 14:17 +0000
                                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 18:17 +0000
                                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-21 18:47 +0000
                                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-21 14:05 +0000
                                            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 12:26 -0700
                                              Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-18 21:25 +0000
                                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 15:02 -0700
                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-19 01:37 +0000
                                                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 18:44 -0700
                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-19 02:23 +0000
                                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 22:38 -0700
                                                          Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-20 01:16 +0000
                                                            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 19:34 -0700
                                                              Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-20 02:43 +0000
                                                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 19:56 -0700
                                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 03:35 -0700
                                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 15:13 -0700
                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 15:24 -0700
                                                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 15:45 -0700
                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-19 02:10 +0000
                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-19 01:46 +0000
                                                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 19:04 -0700
                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-19 02:29 +0000
                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 12:00 -0500
                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 23:41 -0700
                                          Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-18 17:26 +0000
                                Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-17 15:20 -0700
                                  Re: Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-17 20:05 -0400
                                    No "Bible" is the final word. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-17 17:31 -0700
                                      Re: No "Bible" is the final word. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-18 10:57 -0400
              Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 19:01 +0000
              Re: Binary Black Holes Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 21:41 -0500
            Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 14:54 +0000
            Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 18:51 +0000
        Re: Binary Black Holes grahamcooper7@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 15:19 -0700
      Re: Binary Black Holes "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-04-16 22:02 -0700
    Re: Binary Black Holes sam.wormley@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 18:31 -0700
      Re: Binary Black Holes pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 19:29 -0700
      Re: Binary Black Holes Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 21:54 -0500
      Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 23:48 -0700
      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-18 17:28 +0000
    Re: Binary Black Holes mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 15:55 -0700

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#681111 — Binary Black Holes

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-15 06:22 -0700
SubjectBinary Black Holes
Message-ID<094e34f4-c78c-45a9-b20e-8963cff09e01@googlegroups.com>
Combine with the high energy particles shot out in jets when dead stars get shredded and EJECTED from the central black hole.
To form new stars.
There. That's the whole cycle.

Odd 

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#681122

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-15 15:07 +0000
Message-ID<pavpr4$1pl7$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#681111
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Combine with the high energy particles shot out in jets when dead stars
> get shredded and EJECTED from the central black hole.
> To form new stars.
> There. That's the whole cycle.

In your imagination. 
Counter to evidence.
No quantitative predictions in your blurb. 
Not science, John. 

> 
> Odd 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#681142

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-04-15 17:31 +0000
Message-ID<pb029h$spk$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#681111
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Combine with the high energy particles shot out in jets when dead stars 
>get shredded and EJECTED from the central black hole.
>To form new stars.
>There. That's the whole cycle.

And your evidence of that is...?

Oh that's right. You just pull stuff out of your butt and post it,
based on your misunderstanding of dumbed-down science explanations you
have glossed over.  No science.

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#681226

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-16 04:34 -0700
Message-ID<8dcf4bc4-fa8b-429d-9812-138bfe8fb6a5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681142
MM
I have an actual model.
It suggests that old stars die and new stars are born in a CYCLE. I am trying to square new observations with that idea.
The binary BHs observations, coupled with binary star observations, suggest they seed new stars, to me.
What does your model say?
Why do you think no other ideas may have validity?
Is there something stuck up YOUR ass? A huge stick?

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#681235

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-04-16 12:43 +0000
Message-ID<pb25qd$ua9$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#681226
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>I have an actual model.

Well, you pretend that you do.

>It suggests that

Science is not about suggestions.

> old stars die and new stars are born in a CYCLE.

There does appear to be evidence of 3 generations of stars.

> I am 
>trying to square new observations with that idea.

And getting it quite wrong.

>The binary BHs observations, coupled with binary star observations, 
>suggest they seed new stars, to me.

Science doesn't care what your misinterpretations "suggest" to you.

>What does your model say?

Not "my" model. You can read up on current astronomy all over the web.

>Why do you think no other ideas may have validity?

Never said that. But I can tell you this: Any valid new theory MUST match
the results of all experiments already performed. If it doesn't, it's
ALREADY wrong! Remember Feynman:

   "It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how
   smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong."

   -Richard P. Feynman

In addition, to be a valid theory, it must make falsifiable prediction,
to tell the difference between the new theory and old ones.

>Is there something stuck up YOUR ass? A huge stick?

That seems to be true for you, you come back here again and again asking
us to accept your ridiculous theories even after we shoot them down again
and again. Why? OCD?

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#681307

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-16 13:20 -0700
Message-ID<69b84e75-af5f-45c7-9467-242f2c1eedd8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681235
MM
"That seems to be true for you, you come back here again and again asking 
us to accept your ridiculous theories even after we shoot them down again "

As someone who hasn't got idea 1 of his own, Michael, I can see that others having them upsets you.

But I'll keep posting how observations relate to my ideas, thank very much, whether you accept them or not. The ideas you and Odd accept- electrons that both move and don't move, particles with properties but no physical presence, gravity that sucks like your Science sucks- I'd rather you DON'T accept my stuff. Please.

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#681329

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-16 22:37 +0000
Message-ID<pb38k4$1fd8$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#681307
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> "That seems to be true for you, you come back here again and again asking 
> us to accept your ridiculous theories even after we shoot them down again "
> 
> As someone who hasn't got idea 1 of his own, Michael, I can see that
> others having them upsets you.
> 
> But I'll keep posting how observations relate to my ideas, thank very
> much, whether you accept them or not. The ideas you and Odd accept-
> electrons that both move and don't move

Have kinetic energy, but no trajectory. That’s not the same as what you
said. What you said is bound by certain assumptions you make, like movement
REQUIRES a trajectory, which is not true. 

> particles with properties but no physical presence, 

Since they have properties they have physical presence. What you said is
bound by certain assumptions you make, like physical presence REQUIRES
volume, which is not true.

> gravity that sucks 

You seem to have a deep problem with this for unknown reasons, but somehow
attraction between objects of unlike-sign charge doesn’t bother you at all,
and you can’t explain that either. 

> like your Science sucks- I'd rather you DON'T accept my stuff. Please.
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#681355

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-04-17 05:16 +0000
Message-ID<pb3vut$ads$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#681307
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"That seems to be true for you, you come back here again and again asking
>us to accept your ridiculous theories even after we shoot them down again "

>As someone who hasn't got idea 1 of his own, Michael, I can see that others
> having them upsets you.

Completely wrong! I come here to watch the kooks get kooky. I wait to see
what kind of stoopid ideas all you kooks come up with next!

Meanwhile, I know better than to post "ideas" that are just laughable,
unlike so many others here...

>But I'll keep posting how observations relate to my ideas, thank very much,
>whether you accept them or not. The ideas you and Odd accept- electrons 
>that both move and don't move, particles with properties but no physical 
>presence, gravity that sucks like your Science sucks- I'd rather you 
>DON'T accept my stuff. Please.

Man, are you ever confused!

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#681236

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-16 12:47 +0000
Message-ID<pb261g$1j5s$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#681226
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> I have an actual model.
> It suggests that old stars die and new stars are born in a CYCLE. I am
> trying to square new observations with that idea.
> The binary BHs observations, coupled with binary star observations,
> suggest they seed new stars, to me.
> What does your model say?
> Why do you think no other ideas may have validity?
> Is there something stuck up YOUR ass? A huge stick?
> 

Untestable ideas (as in quantitative comparison between calculated
prediction and measurement) are automatically without scientific validity. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#681344

Fromgrahamcooper7@gmail.com
Date2018-04-16 20:05 -0700
Message-ID<2ca3a637-78c3-4fa6-ab02-d33b86316e30@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681111
On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 11:22:37 PM UTC+10, john wrote:
> Combine with the high energy particles shot out in jets when dead stars get shredded and EJECTED from the central black hole.
> To form new stars.
> There. That's the whole cycle.
> 
> Odd

Small black holes dont eject anything.

Read Hertzbrand Russell Diagram for life cycle of STARS

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#681351

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-16 21:50 -0700
Message-ID<9316aa22-e7af-413b-bc9a-dd096b9b3637@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681344
Graham
"- hide quoted text -
On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 11:22:37 PM UTC+10, john wrote: 
> Combine with the high energy particles shot out in jets when dead stars get shredded and EJECTED from the central black hole. 
> To form new stars. 
> There. That's the whole cycle. 
> 
> Odd 

Small black holes dont eject anything. 

Read Hertzbrand Russell Diagram for life cycle of STARS "
No.
Old stars orbit faster as they get closer to the central black hole, until they shred and jet immediately form at right angles to the disc. These jets are observed to play a part in new star formation. This new observation of binary black Holes makes me think that they also play a part in new star formation.

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#681356

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-04-17 05:22 +0000
Message-ID<pb40bd$ads$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#681351
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> flung the following into the group:

>Read Hertzbrand Russell Diagram for life cycle of STARS "
>No.

That's your problem, John. You won't read anything.

>Old stars orbit faster as they get closer to the central black hole, until
>they shred and jet immediately form at right angles to the disc. These jets
>are observed to play a part in new star formation. This new observation of
>binary black Holes makes me think that they also play a part in new star
>formation.

John, don't you know it's extremely rude to scoop crap from your butt and
fling it into this group like that? Stop it!

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#681367

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-17 06:16 -0700
Message-ID<5039d479-d9ed-4cc7-93d6-1d11cb75c43b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681356
MM
"
John, don't you know it's extremely rude to scoop crap from your butt and 
fling it into this group like that? Stop it! "

You don't like thinking, do you Michael?

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#681369

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-17 06:29 -0700
Message-ID<0bc76119-54d7-4d52-86bd-882b79445731@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681367
MM
"MM 
" 
John, don't you know it's extremely rude to scoop crap from your butt and 
fling it into this group like that? Stop it! " 

You don't like thinking, do you Michael? "

Remember when you threw shit at me every day the whole six months I was figuring out how Benzene could be constructed, using the 1:2 pathway?
 http://users.accesscomm.ca/sefton/BenzeneE.GIF 
Notice how SYMMETRICAL it is?
Every carbon-carbon interaction is the same sequence:
Yellow left up Green right down Red left up No transfer Yellow right up Green left down Red right up No transfer
Repeat 
Turned out incredibly good, Michael. You were urging me to QUIT GIVE UP QUIT GIVE UP the whole time.

But I didn't, Michael. You know why? Because who would listen to you? And why would they?
Nobody. No reason to. All you do is throw shit.

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#681377

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-17 14:54 +0000
Message-ID<pb51rn$7fu$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#681369
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> "MM 
> " 
> John, don't you know it's extremely rude to scoop crap from your butt and 
> fling it into this group like that? Stop it! " 
> 
> You don't like thinking, do you Michael? "
> 
> Remember when you threw shit at me every day the whole six months I was
> figuring out how Benzene could be constructed, using the 1:2 pathway?
>  http://users.accesscomm.ca/sefton/BenzeneE.GIF 
> Notice how SYMMETRICAL it is?
> Every carbon-carbon interaction is the same sequence:
> Yellow left up Green right down Red left up No transfer Yellow right up
> Green left down Red right up No transfer
> Repeat 
> Turned out incredibly good, Michael. You were urging me to QUIT GIVE UP
> QUIT GIVE UP the whole time.
> 
> But I didn't, Michael. You know why? Because who would listen to you? And why would they?
> Nobody. No reason to. All you do is throw shit.
> 

Also recall your attempt at methane, which was decidedly asymmetrical, to
the point where your model would predict UV radiation that isn’t there. 

You want to be left to doing something you consider “pretty”. That’s fine.
Do it in an art forum. It’s just not physics. Doing art about atoms or
molecules does not make it physics. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#681394

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-17 10:18 -0700
Message-ID<f4e8cc54-1276-44d6-915a-90e9bd4ab992@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681377
Odd
"Also recall your attempt at methane, which was decidedly asymmetrical, to 
the point where your model would predict UV radiation that isn’t there. "
Prove it.

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#681400

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-17 17:52 +0000
Message-ID<pb5c8a$q2r$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#681394
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> "Also recall your attempt at methane, which was decidedly asymmetrical, to 
> the point where your model would predict UV radiation that isn’t there. "
> Prove it.
> 

Already did, John. 

Your model for methane has an alternating charge asymmetry as they go
around their trajectories, which you insist they must have. This is called
an oscillating charge dipole. You told me the rate that the electrons would
make one cycle. An oscillating charge dipole at that rate produces UV light
necessarily. That UV light from methane is not seen. 

You are quick to remember things that you do that seem “pretty” and you
quickly forget the things that don’t work, which means in science that they
don’t match data. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#681405

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-17 11:36 -0700
Message-ID<3b8c1d58-5d78-4d2c-81e0-b22dd9bbf6e3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681400
Odd
"Your model for methane has an alternating charge asymmetry as they go 
around their trajectories, which you insist they must have. This is called 
an oscillating charge dipole. You told me the rate that the electrons would "

Is that why you insist that electrons don't move?

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#681408

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-17 18:51 +0000
Message-ID<pb5fnb$10b5$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#681405
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> "Your model for methane has an alternating charge asymmetry as they go 
> around their trajectories, which you insist they must have. This is called 
> an oscillating charge dipole. You told me the rate that the electrons would "
> 
> Is that why you insist that electrons don't move?
> 

I insist that they don’t have trajectories. They also have kinetic energy. 
I think you’re the one stick on saying that combination is impossible. 

But back to the point: 
Your animations do not represent reality because they don’t agree with
data. Period, end of story. It doesn’t matter whether they are pretty,
whether they have symmetry, whether they show features you like such as
repeating pathways, whether they are products of original and creative
thinking, or whether they can be described in few words in plain language.
If they don’t agree with data, they are WRONG. 

All the things YOU personally care about in your models, all the things you
look for — none of them matters in science. 

The one thing that DOES matter in science — quantitative agreement with
data — you don’t care about. 

I have no idea why you think anything you’re doing has a rat’s ass to do
with science. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#681411

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-04-17 19:07 +0000
Message-ID<pb5glh$2q2$3@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#681405
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>"Your model for methane has an alternating charge asymmetry as they go 
>around their trajectories, which you insist they must have. This is called 
>an oscillating charge dipole. You told me the rate that the electrons would "

>Is that why you insist that electrons don't move?

If they continuously accelerate, like a Bohr orbit where it goes round
and round like a planet around the sun, or even worse, following that
twisty 3d path in one of your retarded precessing spinny things, it will
radiate, therefore lose energy, and therefore crash into the nucleus. You
and I are still here, so obviously that doesn't happen, so both possibilities
are refuted.

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