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| First post | 2018-04-08 01:43 -0700 |
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IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-08 01:43 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 12:09 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-08 05:57 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 13:56 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-08 10:34 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 20:36 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-08 16:59 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 02:09 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-08 21:56 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-09 03:13 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 11:13 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 11:13 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-09 05:26 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 17:35 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-09 11:22 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 11:31 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-09 18:41 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 11:47 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-09 18:58 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 12:48 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-09 21:07 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 00:45 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 01:03 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-10 15:40 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 08:50 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 16:01 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-10 16:32 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-10 01:10 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-10 01:22 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 01:57 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-10 03:19 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 11:13 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-10 05:09 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-10 15:30 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 08:42 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-10 16:27 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 20:06 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 13:21 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-09 21:19 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-09 21:19 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-09 21:26 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-09 23:08 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 21:32 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 07:45 -0500
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 06:37 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 13:59 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 07:10 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 14:17 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 07:36 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 15:57 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-10 11:12 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 18:36 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 11:50 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 19:02 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 13:13 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 20:18 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 13:22 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 20:59 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 14:06 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 22:55 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-10 23:58 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-10 21:58 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 22:06 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-10 23:49 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 13:21 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-11 11:37 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-11 11:49 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-11 11:59 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-10 21:52 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 11:39 -0700
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-10 15:50 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-10 15:46 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 11:44 -0500
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 11:41 -0500
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 19:57 +0000
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 07:44 -0500
Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! "Boner J. Skidmark" <ForgyMcForgeFace@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-10 07:11 -0700
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-04-09 21:07 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! |
| Message-ID | <pagkll$jpp$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #680499 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >"What is there to justify? " >Apparently, nothing. Good. Maybe you are finally learning something. > Your 'Science' is so scattered at this point, that it's grasping at anything. >Sad. Why do you say that? (no answer, of course) Again, I am trying to understand your illogical 'logic' that requires volume for some reason. I wish you would explain but you refuse.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-10 00:45 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! |
| Message-ID | <f8b968b8-6ede-47d7-9def-4629fa1c1a52@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #680505 |
MM "Again, I am trying to understand your illogical 'logic' that requires volume for some reason. I wish you would explain but you refuse. " Couldn't more than one thing be in the same place, then, Michael? Or is that okay, now? I vaguely recall some objections to that. I'm not refusing, you just don't accept my suggestions
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-10 01:03 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! |
| Message-ID | <99b9c56a-5fb0-46c3-b5c6-5b037acd0a04@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #680571 |
MM "Again, I am trying to understand your illogical 'logic' that requires volume for some reason. I wish you would explain but you refuse. " The reason things move out of the way for other things is because they have volume. Show me physical that can all exist in the same place, and I'll believe you. Unfortunately, the ones you believe in are too small to see, right? Oh, by the way, how's ur prediction that the BH will be too small to image coming along?
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-04-10 15:40 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! |
| Message-ID | <pailub$v6l$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #680572 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >"Again, I am trying to understand your illogical 'logic' that requires >volume for some reason. I wish you would explain but you refuse. " >The reason things move out of the way for other things is because they have volume. No, at a small scale it is because fermions obey Fermi statistics. Volume doesn't factor in. On a large scale, for example, if you try to put your fist through a table, the electrons in the outer orbitals of the table atoms repel the elecrons in the outer orbitals of the atoms of your fist, and the repulsion stops your fist. Of course human experience interprets that no two pieces of matter can occupy the same volume. That's the large scale effect. >Show me physical that can all exist in the same place, and I'll believe you. Photons in a laser beam. Maybe Cooper pairs (of electrons). >Oh, by the way, how's ur prediction that the BH will be too small to image coming along? If you are talking about the BH at the center of the Milky Way, I'm not too worried. It's an object with a Schwartzchild radius of 1/10 the earth orbit and is about 26,000 light years away. It may have an accretion disk, but it must be rather sparse since it is not a quasar, and we can see nothing (no light) there. Even though it is obvious from the orbits of certain stars exactly where it is.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-10 08:50 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! |
| Message-ID | <ba7adfb0-39bb-4fce-ac78-dc329d8c3e44@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #680605 |
MM " Photons in a laser beam. Maybe Cooper pairs (of electrons). " When I say physical, I mean Matter, not photons. Just FYI. You think your 'fundamental' electron can not only 'distribute' itself, but also piggyback? Nice. I don't think it does, but if that makes you happy. This is what I think Cooper pairs do: http://users.accesscomm.ca/sefton/2electronorbital.GIF as you know. Why don't you come over from The Dark Side?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-10 16:01 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! |
| Message-ID | <pain52$188q$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #680609 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > MM > " > > Photons in a laser beam. > Maybe Cooper pairs (of electrons). > " > When I say physical, I mean Matter, not photons. Electrons are not photons. And by the way, your private definition of “physical” as pertaining to matter is not shared by scientists. Could be a problem. > Just FYI. > You think your 'fundamental' electron can not only 'distribute' itself, > but also piggyback? Nice. > I don't think it does, but if that makes you happy. > This is what I think Cooper pairs do: > http://users.accesscomm.ca/sefton/2electronorbital.GIF > as you know. > Why don't you come over from The Dark Side? > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-04-10 16:32 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! |
| Message-ID | <paiou3$cts$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #680609 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >" >Photons in a laser beam. >Maybe Cooper pairs (of electrons). >" >When I say physical, I mean Matter, not photons. OK. Cooper pairs. Bose-Einstein condensates. W and Z particles. >Just FYI. >You think your 'fundamental' electron can not only 'distribute' >itself, but also piggyback? Nice. What piggyback? >I don't think it does, but if that makes you happy. >This is what I think Cooper pairs do: No evidence of any of that, of course. Let me know when (if) you ever find any evidence. Make sure you have a reason why such a thing doesn't just radiate its energy away! >Why don't you come over from The Dark Side? What kind of stupid remark is that?
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| From | poraty149@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-04-10 01:10 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! |
| Message-ID | <84e4870a-13a5-4cad-9589-fcd2d05f4cc4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #680571 |
On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 10:45:25 AM UTC+3, john wrote: > MM > "Again, I am trying to understand your illogical 'logic' that requires > volume for some reason. I wish you would explain but you refuse. " > > Couldn't more than one thing be in the same place, then, Michael? > Or is that okay, now? I vaguely recall some objections to that. > I'm not refusing, you just don't accept my suggestions ===================== to whom John do you are referring to me Y.P do you know the Pauli exclusion rule ? ''you and your wife cannot sit on the same chair a the same time ........ (:- just my metaphor .. but right all along physics and that is why in order that you and your wife can exist =================================================== there must be some absolute empty space (AGAIN ABSOLUTE AGAIN :(ABSO9LUTE**** EMPTY SPACE OR ELSE NO MOTION WHTSOEVER COULD BE DONE ======== TIA Y.Porat ====================
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| From | poraty149@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-04-10 01:22 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! |
| Message-ID | <46198c5a-58fe-4e0a-a3dd-7d25283a0502@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #680573 |
On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 11:10:27 AM UTC+3, pora...@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 10:45:25 AM UTC+3, john wrote: > > MM > > "Again, I am trying to understand your illogical 'logic' that requires > > volume for some reason. I wish you would explain but you refuse. " > > > > Couldn't more than one thing be in the same place, then, Michael? > > Or is that okay, now? I vaguely recall some objections to that. > > I'm not refusing, you just don't accept my suggestions > ===================== > to whom John do you are referring to me Y.P > do you know the Pauli exclusion rule ? > ''you and your wife cannot sit on the same chair > a the same time ........ (:- just my metaphor .. > but right all along physics > and that is why > in order that you and your wife can exist > > =================================================== > there must be some absolute empty space > (AGAIN > ABSOLUTE AGAIN :(ABSO9LUTE**** EMPTY SPACE OR ELSE > NO MOTION WHTSOEVER COULD BE DONE > ======== > TIA > Y.Porat > ==================== ================= and much more and much more meaningful : it needs not only volume !! IT NEES MASS !!! AGAIN **MASS ** =========================== NO MASS'' NO REAL PHYSICS !! ============================ TIA Y.Porat ==========================
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-10 01:57 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! |
| Message-ID | <9d86a9b8-7357-4db9-a284-48d5dfb25503@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #680575 |
Saying that 'space is expanding' is like someone watching the tide coming in and thinking that the water, itself, is expanding. It's not. There's just more coming in.
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| From | poraty149@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-04-10 03:19 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! |
| Message-ID | <ef3d9654-befe-4928-8f67-2ba6c5cd0f90@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #680579 |
On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 11:57:48 AM UTC+3, john wrote: > Saying that 'space is expanding' is like someone watching the tide coming in and thinking that the water, itself, is expanding. It's not. There's just more coming in. ==================== much simpler !! it is mass products (residuals ) that are expanding their ranger of motion (circular motion ) !!!!!! -- ie spreading wider and wider bigger and bigger radius ===== TIA Y.Porat
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-10 11:13 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! |
| Message-ID | <pai68e$6b9$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #680571 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > MM > "Again, I am trying to understand your illogical 'logic' that requires > volume for some reason. I wish you would explain but you refuse. " > > Couldn't more than one thing be in the same place, then, Michael? > Or is that okay, now? I vaguely recall some objections to that. By ancient philosophers. Yes, it’s ok now. > I'm not refusing, you just don't accept my suggestions > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | poraty149@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-04-10 05:09 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! |
| Message-ID | <392401af-4f78-4d77-8978-11f1b7be15a9@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #680589 |
On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 2:13:22 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote: > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > > MM > > "Again, I am trying to understand your illogical 'logic' that requires > > volume for some reason. I wish you would explain but you refuse. " > > > > Couldn't more than one thing be in the same place, then, Michael? > > Or is that okay, now? I vaguely recall some objections to that. > > By ancient philosophers. > > Yes, it’s ok now. > > > I'm not refusing, you just don't accept my suggestions > > > > > > -- > Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables ================================ (:-) ancient philosophers decoded the structure o all nuclei and suggested the Y circlon and Y.Circlon mechanism ? etc etc etc Bodkin -Draper -have achieved in you parroting life beside being a disturbing cureless parrot life ?/!! there is an ancient philosophers say 'if you cant help --at least don't disturb !!!' === ATB Y.Porat ======================
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-04-10 15:30 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! |
| Message-ID | <pailak$v6l$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #680571 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >"Again, I am trying to understand your illogical 'logic' that requires >volume for some reason. I wish you would explain but you refuse. " >Couldn't more than one thing be in the same place, then, Michael? >Or is that okay, now? I vaguely recall some objections to that. Bosons can all be in the same place just fine, thank you very much. It's how lasers work, in part. Fermions obey Fermi statistics, which means that no two fermions can have the same quantum state. One way they can do this is not being in the same place. Note that "volume" of anything doesn't factor in anywhere. (does anyone know of details of Cooper pairs? Can they be considered to be two electrons in the same place? They have different spin states so this is allowed by Fermi statistics) >I'm not refusing, you just don't accept my suggestions What suggestions? Accept that everything is a bunch of retarded precessing spinny things? No thank you.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-10 08:42 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! |
| Message-ID | <479e8262-2a9c-41a7-b426-0f993ab0f7e7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #680604 |
MM Said light doesn't claim space but Matter does. Yes, we know this. Space can be said to be "expanding", since two times nothing is still nothing, but if it is, why aren't galaxies and normal Matter "expanding"? Space must simply be DIFFERENT from Matter, and there is simply MORE OF IT flowing into the spaces between Matter. Saying that Space is expanding is like seeing the tide coming in and thinking that water everywhere on Earth is rising. Dumn
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-04-10 16:27 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! |
| Message-ID | <paiokv$cts$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #680606 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >Said light doesn't claim space but Matter does. >Yes, we know this. OK, so now you are essentially changing the rules to exclude bosons and only account for fermions. And two fermions cannot both be in the same quantum state. (One of the ways they can avoid doing so is by being in different places. Again, no mention of "volume" necessary) Can two bosons with mass (such as the W or Z bosons) occupy the same space? QM says yes, they can. How about Bose-Einstein condensates? These essentially happen when atoms that act as bosons (such as He-4) occupy the same state. >Space can be said to be "expanding", since two times nothing is still >nothing, but if it is, why aren't galaxies and normal Matter "expanding"? Anything held together by gravity (such as individual galaxies) won't expand since gravity holds them together. Even if the Solar system wasn't held together by gravity, the universe's expansion would increase the earth's orbit radius by about 13 meters per year. Not exactly noticeable. >Space must simply be DIFFERENT from Matter, and there is simply MORE OF IT >flowing into the spaces between Matter. No, things (galaxies) are simply moving farther apart. >Saying that Space is expanding is like seeing the tide coming in and >thinking that water everywhere on Earth is rising. Dumn More like watching a balloon expand and thinking the surface area of the balloon is getting larger.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-09 20:06 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! |
| Message-ID | <pagh51$1hht$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #680479 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > " > > Not every property of a physical thing is derived from its > dimensions. > > " > > Matter of fact, Odd believes in particles with no physical dimensions, at all!! No physical volume. That’s right. > > Btw, Odd, why would you call Space 'empty' if it's full of properties? Empty space is called empty because it is devoid of persistent matter. It isn’t called empty because it’s empty of properties. That would be stupid because the space we observe has properties and so looking for space empty of properties would be looking for something that doesn’t exist. > Does 'nothing' have properties? That’s just it. Empty space is NOT NOTHING. Trying to define empty space as nothing is like defining a unicorn. What’s the point of defining something that doesn’t exist? > Lots of woodworking these days? > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-09 13:21 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! |
| Message-ID | <6e27551d-e3f9-417e-9ad8-5bb4ea705b00@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #680502 |
Odd "Empty space is NOT NOTHING. Trying to define empty space as " Okay. Now we understand 1984-speak a little better. Empty is NOT EMPTY. There is SOMETHING there, but we don't see it. How about Fractal Matter? Those are mini-atoms of 10^-40m that are everywhere in Space but can't be seen because they're too small. They are the SOURCE of the properties we observe. Or do you still say NOTHING can exhibit properties of BEING? (Why do I ask? Of course the fool does.)
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-04-09 21:19 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! |
| Message-ID | <paglce$jpp$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #680503 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Odd >"Empty space is NOT NOTHING. Trying to define empty space as " >Okay. >Now we understand 1984-speak a little better. >Empty is NOT EMPTY. >There is SOMETHING there, but we don't see it. OK so 'empty space' means no matter whatsoever, and that's it. It can still host electric, magnetic, gravitational fields etc. And before you start, 'no matter' excludes the virtual particles that pop into and out of existence according to QCD. >How about Fractal Matter? How about invisible pink fairies?? Since there is absolutely no evidence of either one, both can be totally disregarded completely. >Those are mini-atoms of 10^-40m that are everywhere in Space but can't >be seen because they're too small. They are the >SOURCE of the properties we observe. No, there are invisible pink fairies that are everywhere in Space but can't be seen because they're invisible. They are the SOURCE of the properties we observe. (Do you see how the two statements are equivalent? You must think my invisible pink fairies are an absurd idea. They are, but they are no more and no less absurd than your equally absurd undetectable mini-atoms.) >Or do you still say NOTHING can exhibit properties of BEING? (Why do I >ask? Of course the fool does.) If it bothers you too much, just think 'empty' space just means no actual matter, but space does 'host' electric and other fields just like how space 'allows' ordinary matter to exist in it.
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| From | poraty149@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-04-09 21:19 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! |
| Message-ID | <45172a1d-0f4a-4ea1-86cf-16549bacfabc@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #680506 |
On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 12:19:13 AM UTC+3, Michael Moroney wrote: > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: > > >Odd > >"Empty space is NOT NOTHING. Trying to define empty space as " > >Okay. > >Now we understand 1984-speak a little better. > >Empty is NOT EMPTY. > >There is SOMETHING there, but we don't see it. > > OK so 'empty space' means no matter whatsoever, and that's it. > It can still host electric, magnetic, gravitational fields etc. > And before you start, 'no matter' excludes the virtual particles > that pop into and out of existence according to QCD. > > >How about Fractal Matter? > > How about invisible pink fairies?? > > Since there is absolutely no evidence of either one, both can be totally > disregarded completely. > > >Those are mini-atoms of 10^-40m that are everywhere in Space but can't > >be seen because they're too small. They are the > >SOURCE of the properties we observe. > > No, there are invisible pink fairies that are everywhere in Space but can't > be seen because they're invisible. They are the SOURCE of the properties we > observe. > > (Do you see how the two statements are equivalent? You must think my > invisible pink fairies are an absurd idea. They are, but they are no more > and no less absurd than your equally absurd undetectable mini-atoms.) > > >Or do you still say NOTHING can exhibit properties of BEING? (Why do I > >ask? Of course the fool does.) > > If it bothers you too much, just think 'empty' space just means no > actual matter, but space does 'host' electric and other fields just like > how space 'allows' ordinary matter to exist in it. ============================ space allow ordinary matter to exist in it JAT NECAUSE IT IS EMPTY !! NO PINK LADIES PINKLADIES ARE ***YOURS(( AND ODDES AGEMTS NOT OURS!! not mine and not Johns just yours and your master Odd are you suggesting that electricity is nothing just magic fairy lady ?? do you suggest the empty EMPT EMPTY space has PERMEABILITY !!! that is a master piece of typical shameless** 0BFUSCATION** !!!! ======= TIA Y.Porat ================================
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