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When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness

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  When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-21 16:32 -0700
    When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 09:22 -0700
      Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-03-23 14:40 -0700
        Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 06:26 -0700
          Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 17:47 +0000
            Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 13:47 -0700
              Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 14:24 -0700
                Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-03-25 03:33 -0700
                Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 06:18 -0700
                  Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 07:00 -0700
                    Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 08:14 -0700
                      Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-03-25 09:56 -0700
                        Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 10:10 -0700
                          Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 19:32 +0000
                      Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-25 17:52 +0000
                        Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 11:41 -0700
                          Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 00:48 +0000
                            Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 07:31 -0700
                              Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 10:51 -0700
                              Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 18:41 +0000
                                Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 12:53 -0700
                                  Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 13:09 -0700
                                    Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 20:45 +0000
                                      Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 14:58 -0700
                                        Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-27 11:57 +0000
                                    Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 11:25 +0000
                                      Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 06:46 -0700
                                        Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 18:04 +0000
                                          Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 11:12 -0700
                                            Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-27 18:56 +0000
                                            Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 19:26 +0000
                                              Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-27 12:35 -0700
                                              Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 12:41 -0700
                                                Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 22:49 +0000
                                                  Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 16:35 -0700
                                                    Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 01:58 +0000
                                                      Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 05:31 -0700
                                                        Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 12:50 +0000
                                                          Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 06:14 -0700
                                                            Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 16:07 +0000
                                                          Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-03-28 06:15 -0700
                                                        Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 16:07 +0000
                                                          Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 10:44 -0700
                                                            Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 18:01 +0000
                                                              Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 11:33 -0700
                                                                Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 11:53 -0700
                                                                  Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 12:07 -0700
                                                                    Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 21:42 +0000
                                                                      Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 06:50 -0700
                                                                        Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 14:43 +0000
                                                                          Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 14:51 +0000
                                                                            Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 09:39 -0700
                                                                              Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-29 17:10 +0000
                                                                              Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 17:21 +0000
                                                                          Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 16:19 -0700
                                                                            Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 16:29 -0700
                                                                              Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 18:00 -0700
                                                                              Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-30 14:11 +0000
                                                                                Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-03-30 12:34 -0700
                                                                                  Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-03-31 19:43 -0700
                                                                                Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-30 13:05 -0700
                                                                                  Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-30 23:37 +0000
                                                                                  Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-03-30 16:54 -0700
                                                                                    Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-03-30 17:07 -0700
                                                                                      Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-03-30 20:16 -0700
                                                                                  Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-31 02:38 +0000
                                                                                    Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-31 07:18 -0700
                                                                                      Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-31 17:58 +0000
                                                                                      Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-31 21:54 +0000
                                                                                        Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-31 15:14 -0700
                                                                                          Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-03-31 15:42 -0700
                                                                                            Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-01 00:40 +0000
                                                                                              Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-31 18:05 -0700
                                                                                                Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-03-31 21:23 -0700
                                                                                                Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-01 16:31 +0000
                                                                        Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-29 17:03 +0000
                                                                    Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 09:58 -0700
                                                                  Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 21:42 +0000
                                                                    Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-03-29 23:51 -0700
                                                                  Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 09:56 -0700
                                                                Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 21:42 +0000
                                                    Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-03-27 21:03 -0700
                                                      Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 10:48 -0700
                                                        Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-03-28 19:17 -0700
                                                          Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 16:13 -0700
                                                        Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 09:48 -0700
                                  Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 20:42 +0000
                                    Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-03-26 21:33 -0700
                        Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-03-25 11:41 -0700
                      Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 19:32 +0000
                    Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 19:32 +0000
                      Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-03-25 21:03 -0700
              Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 22:32 +0000
            Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-03-24 22:11 -0700
      Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-03-23 23:24 -0700
        Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-03-23 23:26 -0700
    Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 17:02 -0700
      Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-25 17:13 -0700
        Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 19:13 -0700
          Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-27 21:21 -0700
            Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-03-27 22:06 -0700
          Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-03-27 23:46 -0700
      Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-03-25 18:25 -0700
      Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 13:15 -0700
        Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-03-29 14:21 -0700
        Re: When light is stored in the atom it particpates in atomic weight/heaviness benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-03-29 18:09 -0400

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#679180

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-30 13:05 -0700
Message-ID<183cd048-7b36-4c6d-9dfb-9bbbd3ab3d7a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#679120
Odd
"- show quoted text -
I’m glad YOU are going to stop pissing and moaning there’s no model. "

There's a model.
Mine.

Yours wouldn't know what to think about a billion year cosmic year for spirals.

By the way, all ellipticals are now realized to be spirals.

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#679196

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-30 23:37 +0000
Message-ID<p9mho8$1c5h$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#679180
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> "- show quoted text -
> I’m glad YOU are going to stop pissing and moaning there’s no model. "
> 
> There's a model.
> Mine.

Not just yours.

> 
> Yours wouldn't know what to think about a billion year cosmic year for spirals.
> 
> By the way, all ellipticals are now realized to be spirals.

By whom?

> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#679197

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2018-03-30 16:54 -0700
Message-ID<ff5ac6f7-73fe-4ed7-a9aa-21a7a389d2a7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#679180
On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 1:05:59 PM UTC-7, john wrote:

> By the way, all ellipticals are now realized to be spirals.

That is complete bullshit, John, which you made up on-the-fly... 

http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/research/gr/public/gal_class.html

"The classification of galaxies due to Hubble (1925) remains the most popular in use today. There are two main categories, the spiral and elliptical galaxies..."

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#679198

FromJames McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-30 17:07 -0700
Message-ID<3afa038a-aa08-4a6f-995b-9d3ac0afb3e3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#679197
On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 4:54:11 PM UTC-7, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 1:05:59 PM UTC-7, john wrote:
> 
> > By the way, all ellipticals are now realized to be spirals.
> 
> That is complete bullshit, John, which you made up on-the-fly... 
> 
> http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/research/gr/public/gal_class.html
> 
> "The classification of galaxies due to Hubble (1925) remains the most popular in use today. There are two main categories, the spiral and elliptical galaxies..."

Wow, Penal Implant actually quoted something.  Amazing!

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#679206

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2018-03-30 20:16 -0700
Message-ID<9b14698d-579d-43a2-9002-4b3bede6d644@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#679198
On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 5:07:44 PM UTC-7, James McGinn wrote:
> On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 4:54:11 PM UTC-7, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 1:05:59 PM UTC-7, john wrote:
> > 
> > > By the way, all ellipticals are now realized to be spirals.
> > 
> > That is complete bullshit, John, which you made up on-the-fly... 
> > 
> > http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/research/gr/public/gal_class.html
> > 
> > "The classification of galaxies due to Hubble (1925) remains the most popular in use today. There are two main categories, the spiral and elliptical galaxies..."
> 
> Wow, Penal Implant actually quoted something.  Amazing!

And you, Jim, have *never* quoted a single link supporting your own really stupid theories, because, well, they are really stupid and unsupportable! Zero evidence, zero observations and zero experiments. What else can be expected from a jerk with zero brains!

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#679204

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-03-31 02:38 +0000
Message-ID<p9msc1$mtl$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#679180
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>There's a model.
>Mine.

What you've shown us so far doesn't qualify as a model with falsifiable
predictions.

>By the way, all ellipticals are now realized to be spirals.

What, is today "Make Up a Fact Day" or something?

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#679234

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-31 07:18 -0700
Message-ID<cded05e3-f43b-4d11-81b4-4ab9a6374445@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#679204
MM
"

>By the way, all ellipticals are now realized to be spirals. 

What, is today "Make Up a Fact Day" or something? "

I just notice dots that connect
because I get the picture.
This is a new dot.

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#679258

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-03-31 17:58 +0000
Message-ID<p9oi90$ij9$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#679234
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"

>>By the way, all ellipticals are now realized to be spirals. 

>What, is today "Make Up a Fact Day" or something? "

>I just notice dots that connect
>because I get the picture.
>This is a new dot.

So yesterday really *was* Make Up a Fact Day for you!  You invented a new
"fact" that elliptical galaxies are really spirals. Not from any actual
data, but because saying so happens to look like a new dot to you.

You also used the passive voice, "are now realized", implying (but not
actually saying) that some group of people realized that, when actually,
it's only you.

If this was a real fact, you could say "Look at galaxy XYZ and galaxy ABC.
They were considered ellipticals but new measurements show that they are
spirals."  But you can't. It's not a fact.

Maybe you can't tell the difference between reality and some idea that
pops into your mind? So "elliptical galaxies are really spirals" popped
into your mind and became real to you?  That's delusional thinking, a
symptom of mental illnesses. If so, there's probably a connection to your
spinny thing OCD as well.

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#679285

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-31 21:54 +0000
Message-ID<p9p037$145h$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#679234
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> "
> 
>> By the way, all ellipticals are now realized to be spirals. 
> 
> What, is today "Make Up a Fact Day" or something? "
> 
> I just notice dots that connect
> because I get the picture.
> This is a new dot.
> 

This is sometimes known as a hallucination driven by wishes. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#679287

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-31 15:14 -0700
Message-ID<1f08d9fb-7c00-4a84-90d7-af20211474a5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#679285
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/110714101631.htm
"University of Oxford
Summary:
The majority of 'elliptical' galaxies are not spherical but disc-shaped, resembling spiral galaxies such as our own Milky Way with the gas and dust removed, new observations suggest."

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#679290

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2018-03-31 15:42 -0700
Message-ID<f4f08668-e63f-45cb-b949-31c50a7ec6fc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#679287
On Saturday, March 31, 2018 at 3:14:44 PM UTC-7, john wrote:
> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/110714101631.htm
> "University of Oxford
> Summary:
> The majority of 'elliptical' galaxies are not spherical but disc-shaped, resembling spiral galaxies such as our own Milky Way with the gas and dust removed, new observations suggest."

It is an interesting paper, John, and will undoubtedly lead to modified theories about the formation of galaxies... but it no way calls for your statement... "all ellipticals are now realized to be spirals" because that simply is not true. There are still significant differences between spiral and elliptical galaxies...

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#679319

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-01 00:40 +0000
Message-ID<p9p9pb$1h2e$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#679290
<pnalsing@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, March 31, 2018 at 3:14:44 PM UTC-7, john wrote:
>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/110714101631.htm
>> "University of Oxford
>> Summary:
>> The majority of 'elliptical' galaxies are not spherical but disc-shaped,
>> resembling spiral galaxies such as our own Milky Way with the gas and
>> dust removed, new observations suggest."
> 
> It is an interesting paper, John, and will undoubtedly lead to modified
> theories about the formation of galaxies... but it no way calls for your
> statement... "all ellipticals are now realized to be spirals" because
> that simply is not true. There are still significant differences between
> spiral and elliptical galaxies...
> 
> 

Ellipticals are classed E1-E7 according to their oblateness. All that’s
been determined is that their are more in the oblate category than
previously thought. Ellipticals, even disk-like ones, don’t have spiral
arms, and they don’t have the high dust density that spiral galaxies have,
and they don’t have a high population of young stairs like spirals have.
John saw “disk” and the rest was stuff his fervor just wanted to see. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#679325

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-31 18:05 -0700
Message-ID<187aeacf-1f81-4e0e-887b-196a18900980@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#679319
Odd
"'According to our survey only a small fraction of elliptical galaxies, the 'slow rotators', are genuine spheroids. It reveals a strong family resemblance between elliptical and spiral galaxies once we can adjust for whether we are seeing them face-on or from the side,' said Dr Cappellari. 'This close relationship will need to be considered in any future models of how galaxies form. It's an exciting moment, after four years of work in the project, we have the final piece of the puzzle which enables us to say that text-books used to teach astronomy for over 70 years now need to be revised.'"
But Odd says no. Odd always says no

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#679353

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2018-03-31 21:23 -0700
Message-ID<c5d13e2b-d834-45f0-83a9-bfbaacab9f03@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#679325
On Saturday, March 31, 2018 at 6:05:27 PM UTC-7, john wrote:
> Odd
> "'According to our survey only a small fraction of elliptical galaxies, the 'slow rotators', are genuine spheroids. It reveals a strong family resemblance between elliptical and spiral galaxies once we can adjust for whether we are seeing them face-on or from the side,' said Dr Cappellari. 'This close relationship will need to be considered in any future models of how galaxies form. It's an exciting moment, after four years of work in the project, we have the final piece of the puzzle which enables us to say that text-books used to teach astronomy for over 70 years now need to be revised.'"
> But Odd says no. Odd always says no

You are making this up, John, because Odd did NOT say no. You just *want* him to say no...

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#679424

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-01 16:31 +0000
Message-ID<p9r1gs$9u$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#679325
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> "'According to our survey only a small fraction of elliptical galaxies,
> the 'slow rotators', are genuine spheroids. It reveals a strong family
> resemblance between elliptical and spiral galaxies once we can adjust for
> whether we are seeing them face-on or from the side,' said Dr Cappellari.
> 'This close relationship will need to be considered in any future models
> of how galaxies form. It's an exciting moment, after four years of work
> in the project, we have the final piece of the puzzle which enables us to
> say that text-books used to teach astronomy for over 70 years now need to be revised.'"
> But Odd says no. Odd always says no
> 

I didn’t say no. Everything said above is consistent with what I said. 
E7 ellipticals are very flat, but they are not spirals and are distinct
from Sa classification. 
Look up the difference. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#678930

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-03-29 17:03 +0000
Message-ID<p9j692$aun$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#678888
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>"

>That is a lie. There is a model. You deny it, just because you can't
>understand it. Your stance is, 'it doesn't exist unless it'"

>Draw it.

That won't help with science models.  Some is unnecessary since the math
explains it. Some of it can't be drawn.  Much of particle physics is like
that, it's all math.  How do you draw SU(3)?  Sure, you can draw the "Eightfold
Way" baryon octet and spin 3/2 baryon decuplet, but that's just a tiny part
and it is not nearly enough to understand SU(3).

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#678928

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-29 09:58 -0700
Message-ID<de9a645c-66ff-446f-bfdc-98b3628e5200@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#678788
On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 3:07:33 PM UTC-4, john wrote:
> OddpnalMM
> You guys have no model.

All you have is a vague picture in your head.

> You'll never know which data is significant.

And it doesn't matter because you ignore the data.

[]
Language please
> 
> Have a nice day ed

Always.
  Ed

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#678812

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-28 21:42 +0000
Message-ID<p9h28b$9t8$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#678783
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd, MM, Pnal
> If you had a picture, you could look at data and connect the dots.

I can connect dots with data and without a picture. It is YOU and ONLY YOU
here that needs a picture to connect the dots. No one in science owes it to
you to explain things in a picture just because that’s the only thing you
can understand! What about this do you find unacceptable?

> 
> You reject a physical picture. That's like being wilfully blind.

No. It is not NECESSARY. YOU need it. That’s YOUR problem. 

> 
> You'll never recognize 'dots' like double layered halo, asymmetrical
> GRCs, billion-year disc periods and be able to see any significance. Data is lost on you.
> It's all Greek to you.
> 
> Taught to be anti-logical, I guess.

Logic =/= picture. 

> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#679106

Fromporaty149@gmail.com
Date2018-03-29 23:51 -0700
Message-ID<77ce053d-e2d3-477d-b18d-6cfbbe356ffd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#678812
On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 12:42:40 AM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Odd, MM, Pnal
> > If you had a picture, you could look at data and connect the dots.
> 
> I can connect dots with data and without a picture. It is YOU and ONLY YOU
> here that needs a picture to connect the dots. No one in science owes it to
> you to explain things in a picture just because that’s the only thing you
> can understand! What about this do you find unacceptable?
> 
> > 
> > You reject a physical picture. That's like being wilfully blind.
> 
> No. It is not NECESSARY. YOU need it. That’s YOUR problem. 
> 
> > 
> > You'll never recognize 'dots' like double layered halo, asymmetrical
> > GRCs, billion-year disc periods and be able to see any significance. Data is lost on you.
> > It's all Greek to you.
> > 
> > Taught to be anti-logical, I guess.
> 
> Logic =/= picture. 
>================================
no dots and no schmots'
see

THE HELIX MODEL FOR THE PHOTON 

it explains the wavy 'sinusoidal'/cosinusoidal  character of it 
it explains its movement in a straight line 
it explains why it  is   kept the same  and not dispersing sideways 
and keeps its structure  million light years along !!
in shirt 
see the 
Y Circlon
and they circlon   mechanism  as well  

MATTER MAKER
ENERGY MAKER 
including all the m k s dimensions    
etc etc 
===
TIA
Y.Porat
=================

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#678925

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-29 09:56 -0700
Message-ID<aae4cd71-8dbb-4fc6-b641-efbc5ee9d944@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#678783
On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 2:53:44 PM UTC-4, john wrote:
> Odd, MM, Pnal
> If you had a picture, you could look at data and connect the dots.
> 
> You reject a physical picture. That's like being wilfully blind.

We have pointed out pictures for you,
 but you refuse to view or understand them.
> 
> You'll never recognize 'dots' like double layered halo,
> asymmetrical GRCs, billion-year disc periods and be able
> to see any significance. Data is lost on you.

LOL, you trying to claim you understand the data.

> It's all Greek to you.

Sigma eta lambda lambda upsilon
    beta omicron upsilon 
   8^)
> 
> Taught to be anti-logical, I guess.

tau to you to. 
  Ed

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