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Black Hole Event Horizon

Started by"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
First post2018-03-24 14:41 -0700
Last post2018-03-24 18:25 -0700
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  Black Hole Event Horizon "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 14:41 -0700
    Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 15:07 -0700
      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 15:59 -0700
        Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 16:30 -0700
          Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-25 17:23 +0000
        Re: Black Hole Event Horizon "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-03-24 18:14 -0700
      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-25 17:26 +0000
        Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 12:11 -0700
          Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 19:32 +0000
          Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 00:35 +0000
        Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 12:13 -0700
          Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 00:46 +0000
            Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 08:03 -0700
              Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 17:21 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 10:51 -0700
                  Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 18:35 +0000
                    Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 13:10 -0700
                      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 20:39 +0000
                        Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 14:44 -0700
                          Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 21:58 +0000
                            Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 15:12 -0700
                              Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 22:20 +0000
                                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 16:02 -0700
                                  Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-27 04:38 +0000
                                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 16:10 -0700
                                  Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-27 04:48 +0000
                                    Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 04:26 -0700
                                      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-27 12:02 +0000
                                        Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 05:35 -0700
                                          Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-27 19:08 +0000
                                            Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 18:41 -0700
                                              Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 02:56 +0000
                                              Re: Black Hole Event Horizon "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 15:16 -0700
                                      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 18:04 +0000
                                      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 03:01 +0000
                                        Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 05:19 -0700
                                          Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 12:30 +0000
                                            Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 07:00 -0700
                                              Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 07:08 -0700
                                                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 16:09 +0000
                                                  Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 09:37 -0700
                                                    Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 09:54 -0700
                                                      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 17:31 +0000
                                                      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 17:52 +0000
                                                        Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 11:43 -0700
                                                          Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 21:42 +0000
                                                            Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 06:55 -0700
                                                              Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 07:30 -0700
                                                                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 14:51 +0000
                                                                  Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 09:35 -0700
                                                                    Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 17:21 +0000
                                                                      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 21:46 -0500
                                                                    Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-29 17:40 +0000
                                                              Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 14:43 +0000
                                                              Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-29 17:34 +0000
                                                    Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 09:58 -0700
                                                      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 17:33 +0000
                                                      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 17:52 +0000
                                                    Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 17:29 +0000
                                                    Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 17:52 +0000
                                                    Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 10:22 -0700
                                                      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 17:24 -0700
                                                        Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-03-31 19:46 -0700
                                              Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 14:46 +0000
                                              Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 16:09 +0000
                                          Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 12:33 +0000
                                            Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 06:24 -0700
                                              Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 14:41 +0000
                                              Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 16:07 +0000
    Re: Black Hole Event Horizon "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-03-24 18:25 -0700

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#678943

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-29 10:22 -0700
Message-ID<965fa505-e843-4c50-939b-68ac0eee2ff2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#678731
On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 12:37:33 PM UTC-4, john wrote:
> Odd
> "john <johnse...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > This one billion thing means that you can only spin a structure like a 
> > galaxy at one frequency 
> > 
> 
> No. 
> "
> 
> Uh- yes, actually.
> Two things, idiot MM and dumber Odd-
> you claim stars don't go a set rate around galaxies- you claim
> one side goes faster than the other,

No one but you breaks it up into sides (or fixed arms)

> but then claim our sun does, and you can calculate its period?

Each star has a rotation rate which can be difference from other stars
just like runners in a race each go at their own speed.
And Michael just calculated the solar rotation period around the
galaxy for you based on the speed you provided!!


> Which is it, forgetful dollies?

Who's the forgetful one here????

> Also, there's a magnetic structure associated with each
> of the two primary arms-

Which is so weak it cannot influence motions of stars,
and especially because stars have net zero charge, and
magnetic field do not influence uncharged objects.

>      it's not just about what stars do or don't do. 
> The reason you can't keep these pertinent points in
> your 'minds' is because you don't have a physical model.

Repeating nonsense is not a valid argument,

> I do. It's called the Atomic Model for the Galaxy.

Putting a title to a book does not magically make the
text appear. A title is all you have so far.

> You should consider it.
> By the way, the stars WOULD speed up and slow down in a 1:2 orbital
>  http://users.accesscomm.ca/sefton/2electronorbital.GIF

But the fact is they don't. Another point against your "theory"
ed

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#679087

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-29 17:24 -0700
Message-ID<ca5e4178-5914-40ee-9163-fe8eb96e603d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#678943
Ed
"

No one but you breaks it up into sides "

To get the GRC you need the average from two opposite sides at the same radius 

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#679340

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-31 19:46 -0700
Message-ID<db9962b0-d9cc-4a33-8e55-c36908fefe62@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#679087
On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 8:24:20 PM UTC-4, john wrote:
> Ed
> "
> 
> No one but you breaks it up into sides "
> 
> To get the GRC you need the average from two opposite sides at the same radius

Gosh, you don't seem to even understand an average.
The average does not have to be due only to symmetric parts.

happy Easter.
Ed

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#678695

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-03-28 14:46 +0000
Message-ID<p9g9sj$58s$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#678691
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd 
>> " 
>> So what's the billion-year finding, then? 
>> 

>The perimeter. Not further in. 
>Said to you a half dozen times and you still ask again. 
>Wearing a lead foil helmet? 
>"
>The perimeter. So, other stuff inside can go faster and different
>directions, but the perimeter is 10^9 years.

Now you're catching on. It goes faster, just like the inner parts of
a hurricane!

>Can we compare this to a beehive and arguing that you can't say what
>its rotation is, even though you can see it, because bees are flying
>around in it?

What's the rotation rate of the solar system again? What's the rotation
rate of a major hurricane?

>The period of disc galaxies is a billion years. Get over it, Odd
.
I just showed you how the sun has a period of 205 million years,
with the numbers you gave me.

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#678720

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-28 16:09 +0000
Message-ID<p9geoa$1778$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#678691
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd 
>> " 
>> So what's the billion-year finding, then? 
>> 
> 
> The perimeter. Not further in. 
> Said to you a half dozen times and you still ask again. 
> Wearing a lead foil helmet? 
> "
> The perimeter. So, other stuff inside can go faster 

DOES go faster, just like Mercury’s period is less than Earth’s, which is
less than Jupiter’s, which is less than Neptune’s. Same thing in galaxies
which is why there are spiral arms in the first place. 

> and different directions, but the perimeter is 10^9 years.

Yes. 

> 
> Can we compare this to a beehive and arguing that you can't say what its
> rotation is, even though you can see it, because bees are flying around in it?
> 
> The period of disc galaxies is a billion years. Get over it, Odd.

No, John. You cannot read. Galaxies do not rotate like solid disks. Neither
does the solar system. 
The period of the PERIMETER of disk galaxies is about a billion years
within a factor of two or so. 

> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#678672

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-03-28 12:33 +0000
Message-ID<p9g22o$g97$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#678669
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"
>What's the rotation period of the solar system? 
>"
>So what's the billion-year finding, then?

Is this your way of answering the question "What's the rotation period of
the solar system?" with "160 years", the revolution period of the
outermost planet, Neptune?  After all, the "billion-year finding" is the
revolution period of the outermost stars of a galaxy.  The fact the inner
stars revolve much faster is irrelevant, like the Earth taking only 1 year
and Mercury only 88 days is irrelevant to the 160 year rotation period of
the solar system?

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#678687

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-28 06:24 -0700
Message-ID<ee942250-5378-4e52-956d-7e03db54e546@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#678672
MM
'The Solar System is traveling at an average speed of 828,000 km/h (230 km/s) or 514,000 mph (143 mi/s) within its trajectory around the galactic center, '

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#678694

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-03-28 14:41 +0000
Message-ID<p9g9jg$58s$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#678687
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>'The Solar System is traveling at an average speed of 828,000 km/h
>(230 km/s) or 514,000 mph (143 mi/s) within its trajectory around
>the galactic center, '

OK, let's use the astronomy model to do the math.  Sun is about
25,000 light years from the galactic center. That's 2.37*10^17 km.
Circular orbit around the center = 2*pi*2.37*10^17 km =
1.49*10^18 km.  At a speed of 828,000 km/hr = 1.794*10^12 hours =
205 million years revolution time. Which is not 1 billion years.
More like 1/5 billion years.

Thanks for helping to make my point.

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#678717

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-28 16:07 +0000
Message-ID<p9gej5$16ru$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#678687
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> 'The Solar System is traveling at an average speed of 828,000 km/h (230
> km/s) or 514,000 mph (143 mi/s) within its trajectory around the galactic center, '
> 

Which has absolutely nothing to do with the rotational speed of the solar
system. 
I’m assuming at this point that you are semi-illiterate. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#678121

From"hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
Date2018-03-24 18:25 -0700
Message-ID<p96tr0$1rq$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#678071
"Pedoreber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> wrote:
 > "It is not true.Its just an idea of stuff before going 
into Berts' Hemmorhoid (BH).This needs more thinking", 
said Bert as it is a typical example of how & why
>
"I park & bark in the dark. I'm of low wit & a stupid shit."
as "My bar tab for Bud Light broke all records". Bert.
"I use Cocaine which is a wonder-drug for me", Bert.
"I will do even more Drugs till the end of my time". Bert
>
"Being Jewish I know this is so very true. O ya" -- Bert.
>
"Why am I posting this, it's making me cry as it always does"
cuz "I was setting a bad example & shamed my family" Bert
 pimping <https://tinyurl.com/Glazier-s-sexual-harassments>
>
>
>

hmmm...<snicker>...<chortle>...ahahahAHAHA...ROTFLMAO


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