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| Started by | "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-03-24 14:41 -0700 |
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Black Hole Event Horizon "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 14:41 -0700
Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 15:07 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 15:59 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 16:30 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-25 17:23 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-03-24 18:14 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-25 17:26 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 12:11 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 19:32 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 00:35 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 12:13 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 00:46 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 08:03 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 17:21 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 10:51 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 18:35 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 13:10 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 20:39 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 14:44 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 21:58 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 15:12 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 22:20 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 16:02 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-27 04:38 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 16:10 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-27 04:48 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 04:26 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-27 12:02 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 05:35 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-27 19:08 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 18:41 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 02:56 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 15:16 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 18:04 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 03:01 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 05:19 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 12:30 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 07:00 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 07:08 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 16:09 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 09:37 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 09:54 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 17:31 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 17:52 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 11:43 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 21:42 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 06:55 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 07:30 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 14:51 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 09:35 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 17:21 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 21:46 -0500
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-29 17:40 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 14:43 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-29 17:34 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 09:58 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 17:33 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 17:52 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 17:29 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 17:52 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 10:22 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 17:24 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-03-31 19:46 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 14:46 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 16:09 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 12:33 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 06:24 -0700
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 14:41 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 16:07 +0000
Re: Black Hole Event Horizon "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-03-24 18:25 -0700
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-26 15:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2be25cef-626d-4698-b413-99f1a2aa9e46@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #678423 |
MM "- show quoted text - What about spiral galaxies where the space between the arms is obviously brighter than space outside of the disk? Those brighter areas are full of stars that are obviously part of the galaxy. Remember, this Do you know what the 'halo' is? Hint: it is spherical, double-layered, and composed of old globular clusters. Those stars could be the front ones or the back ones, and the two layers are moving in two different directions, just like they would be if left by a precessing disc.
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-03-26 22:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p9brmv$tsh$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #678427 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >"- show quoted text - >What about spiral galaxies where the space between the arms is obviously >brighter than space outside of the disk? Those brighter areas are >full of stars that are obviously part of the galaxy. Remember, this >Do you know what the 'halo' is? >Hint: it is spherical, double-layered, and composed of old globular clusters. No, John, I am talking about the stars between the arms. Halo stars are much dimmer, as can be seen by looking at a spiral galaxy that's edge on. The bright stars I am talking about are part of the disk. >Those stars could be the front ones or the back ones, and the two layers are >moving in two different directions, just like they would be if left by a precessing disc. We're discussing galaxies, not precessing disks.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-26 16:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c27150a8-ded1-4079-9340-baa9c89e7442@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #678429 |
MM "dimmer, as can be seen by looking at a spiral galaxy that's edge on. The bright stars I am talking about are part of the disk. " And you know this because?
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-03-27 04:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p9chs4$g1f$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #678441 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >"dimmer, as can be seen by looking at a spiral galaxy that's edge on. The bright >stars I am talking about are part of the disk. " >And you know this because? Because edge-on galaxies don't have a brightish circle of light around them as would be expected if there was a spherical halo surrounding the galaxy. Meanwhile, face-on galaxies do have brightish areas between the arms, as would be expected from what we see from the orbital velocity curves of galaxies, and simulations of galaxies. If we see the bright areas between the arms of face-on galaxies but don't see them to the sides of edge-on galaxies, we know the brightness isn't from stars above or below the galactic plane. They must be in the plane, like the arms. This is actually common sense, John, one of the times common sense doesn't mislead. You should be jumping all over this. (but no, your spinny thing OCD fights that)
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-26 16:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <97432306-845c-4b31-82c8-7c2e6c42c206@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #678429 |
MM "We're discussing galaxies, not precessing di" Well, in my model the disc precesses through rotating the opposite direction every second time, creating these two differently moving spherical sheets of old globular clusters. You don't offer explanations for your stuff so don't bother. Would be interesting to see the Center of a whirlpool with no rotation, but I don't give you good odds on your non-rotating BH idea.
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-03-27 04:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p9cie3$g1f$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #678444 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >"We're discussing galaxies, not precessing di" >Well, in my model You don't even have a model. Just animations and pictures. >Would be interesting to see the Center of a whirlpool with no rotation, The eyes of major hurricanes often have calm, clear weather.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-27 04:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <73d17831-4d31-4e58-97b6-30d90b6f7d98@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #678481 |
MM " The eyes of major hurricanes often have calm, clear weather. " So your 'position ' is that BHs could rotate Or could not rotate And galaxies don't have a definitive period. But these guys and their Billion-year rotation for disc galaxies no matter what size- They're wrong, then, apparently, Mikey?
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-03-27 12:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p9dbsa$q29$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #678486 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >" >The eyes of major hurricanes often have calm, clear weather. " >So your 'position ' >is that BHs could rotate >Or could not rotate >And galaxies don't have a definitive period. Now you're starting to catch on! >But these guys and their Billion-year rotation for disc galaxies no >matter what size- >They're wrong, then, apparently, Mikey? Nope. You're wrong. As usual. The _outside edges_ of disk galaxies were found to have a billion year rotation rate, no matter what size. A rather interesting finding.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-27 05:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4128929a-c425-4af3-8d64-d32152adbffe@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #678489 |
MM "The _outside edges_ of disk galaxies were found to have a billion year rotation rate, no matter what size. A rather interesting finding. " Okay. So let's just talk about the outside edges. They form a CIRCLE. Now. This circle is at the same Center as the spherical, double-layered halo of old globular clusters. So you have a turning circle within a double-layer, each layer with a different flow, sphere. My explanation is that the disc is precessing through the space, one side rotating one way, then the other side, the other. If you reject this, you must have a better argument. Please put it forward if you like.
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-03-27 19:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p9e4s9$bpp$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #678491 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: > MM >"The _outside edges_ of disk galaxies were >found to have a billion year rotation rate, no matter what size. >A rather interesting finding. " >Okay. >So let's just talk about the outside edges. >They form a CIRCLE. >Now. >This circle is at the same Center as the spherical, double-layered >halo of old globular clusters. >So you have a turning circle within a double-layer, >each layer with a different flow, sphere. I don't know how much of this is true and how much is your misinterpretation of something, but go on. >My explanation is that the disc is precessing through the space, But that explains nothing, because you don't have any model of anything. >If you reject this, you must have a better argument. Please put it >forward if you like. See the astronomer's galaxy models.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-27 18:41 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ae2cd7eb-042d-4e66-beba-4d6156f0ce53@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #678544 |
MM " I don't know how much of this is true and how much is your misinterpretation of something, but go on. " Why would you not knowing anything be remarkable?
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-03-28 02:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p9f097$gnr$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #678602 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >" >I don't know how much of this is true and how much is your misinterpretation >of something, but go on. " >Why would you not knowing anything be remarkable? No, it's you misinterpreting something that's not remarkable. Like here, you misinterpreted what I wrote. And just today, you implied that all galaxies rotate as a unit once in a billion years when you were already told that's the outer edge's rate, the inner parts rotate at a different rate, much like a hurricane. And you wrote that atoms are round when you were previously told that most aren't. Shall I go on? So when you write something about a double layered sphere of globular clusters, which I don't know about, I have to ask myself, is there really a double layered sphere of globular clusters or did John misunderstand something *again*? Which is why I wrote that sentence.
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| From | "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-28 15:16 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <39320296-e8ff-4af0-a5cc-871008ec4ab2@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #678602 |
On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 6:41:23 PM UTC-7, john wrote: > MM > " > > I don't know how much of this is true and how much is your misinterpretation > of something, but go on. " > > Why would you not knowing anything be remarkable?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-27 18:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p9e13d$16ki$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #678486 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > MM > " > > The eyes of major hurricanes often have calm, clear weather. " > > So your 'position ' > is that BHs could rotate > Or could not rotate Yes of course. And the rotation of the black hole is not tied or certainly not the same as the rotation of the stuff outside it. > And galaxies don't have a definitive period. Disk galaxies, which make up only a fraction of the galaxies around, have a roughly common period for their perimeters, within a factor of two or so. The period for the perimeters is much different than the period for the stuff inside that perimeter. That is, galaxies do not rotated as solid disks. This should be obvious because spiral arms cannot even FORM if the galaxy rotates like a disk. > > But these guys and their Billion-year rotation for disc galaxies no matter what size- > They're wrong, then, apparently, Mikey? > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-03-28 03:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p9f0hd$gnr$3@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #678486 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >" >The eyes of major hurricanes often have calm, clear weather. " >So your 'position ' >is that BHs could rotate >Or could not rotate >And galaxies don't have a definitive period. What's the rotation period of the solar system?
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-28 05:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c0a3d8b1-be71-4a65-855e-967600ff9566@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #678619 |
MM " What's the rotation period of the solar system? " So what's the billion-year finding, then?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-28 12:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p9g1t0$elu$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #678669 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > MM > " > What's the rotation period of the solar system? > " > So what's the billion-year finding, then? > The perimeter. Not further in. Said to you a half dozen times and you still ask again. Wearing a lead foil helmet? -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-28 07:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c91dc833-58dc-470e-a80f-59dc870e80ab@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #678670 |
Odd > " > So what's the billion-year finding, then? > The perimeter. Not further in. Said to you a half dozen times and you still ask again. Wearing a lead foil helmet? " The perimeter. So, other stuff inside can go faster and different directions, but the perimeter is 10^9 years. Can we compare this to a beehive and arguing that you can't say what its rotation is, even though you can see it, because bees are flying around in it? The period of disc galaxies is a billion years. Get over it, Odd.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-28 07:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c66d49ff-4fca-40f5-97b1-c2a8502211bc@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #678691 |
This one billion thing means that you can only spin a structure like a galaxy at one frequency
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-28 16:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p9geod$1778$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #678692 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > This one billion thing means that you can only spin a structure like a > galaxy at one frequency > No. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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