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Black Hole Event Horizon

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First post2018-03-24 14:41 -0700
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  Black Hole Event Horizon "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 14:41 -0700
    Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 15:07 -0700
      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 15:59 -0700
        Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 16:30 -0700
          Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-25 17:23 +0000
        Re: Black Hole Event Horizon "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-03-24 18:14 -0700
      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-25 17:26 +0000
        Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 12:11 -0700
          Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 19:32 +0000
          Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 00:35 +0000
        Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 12:13 -0700
          Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 00:46 +0000
            Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 08:03 -0700
              Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 17:21 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 10:51 -0700
                  Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 18:35 +0000
                    Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 13:10 -0700
                      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 20:39 +0000
                        Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 14:44 -0700
                          Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 21:58 +0000
                            Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 15:12 -0700
                              Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 22:20 +0000
                                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 16:02 -0700
                                  Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-27 04:38 +0000
                                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 16:10 -0700
                                  Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-27 04:48 +0000
                                    Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 04:26 -0700
                                      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-27 12:02 +0000
                                        Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 05:35 -0700
                                          Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-27 19:08 +0000
                                            Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 18:41 -0700
                                              Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 02:56 +0000
                                              Re: Black Hole Event Horizon "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 15:16 -0700
                                      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 18:04 +0000
                                      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 03:01 +0000
                                        Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 05:19 -0700
                                          Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 12:30 +0000
                                            Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 07:00 -0700
                                              Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 07:08 -0700
                                                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 16:09 +0000
                                                  Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 09:37 -0700
                                                    Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 09:54 -0700
                                                      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 17:31 +0000
                                                      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 17:52 +0000
                                                        Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 11:43 -0700
                                                          Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 21:42 +0000
                                                            Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 06:55 -0700
                                                              Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 07:30 -0700
                                                                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 14:51 +0000
                                                                  Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 09:35 -0700
                                                                    Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 17:21 +0000
                                                                      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 21:46 -0500
                                                                    Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-29 17:40 +0000
                                                              Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 14:43 +0000
                                                              Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-29 17:34 +0000
                                                    Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 09:58 -0700
                                                      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 17:33 +0000
                                                      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 17:52 +0000
                                                    Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 17:29 +0000
                                                    Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 17:52 +0000
                                                    Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 10:22 -0700
                                                      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 17:24 -0700
                                                        Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-03-31 19:46 -0700
                                              Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 14:46 +0000
                                              Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 16:09 +0000
                                          Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 12:33 +0000
                                            Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 06:24 -0700
                                              Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 14:41 +0000
                                              Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 16:07 +0000
    Re: Black Hole Event Horizon "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-03-24 18:25 -0700

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#678071 — Black Hole Event Horizon

From"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-24 14:41 -0700
SubjectBlack Hole Event Horizon
Message-ID<8d6de134-9c14-4706-a7b6-8b3c1799e05e@googlegroups.com>
It is not a true horizon.Its just an idea of stuff before going into a BH.This needs more thinking.Bert

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#678075

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-24 15:07 -0700
Message-ID<45db9e04-2996-45b9-a215-a7be5c4212e7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#678071
Beer
Nothing 'goes into' any black Holes. They spin too fast.

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#678085

From"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-24 15:59 -0700
Message-ID<9a044f6a-bd1b-4e4d-837b-fc2dcbfffbb8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#678075
On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 3:07:36 PM UTC-7, john wrote:
> Beer
> Nothing 'goes into' any black Holes. They spin too fast.

Reality is all that goes into stays in.Also lose spin and wave.That is reality.Bert

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#678090

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-24 16:30 -0700
Message-ID<f2f42719-a6a3-47a9-97a6-85f3c9e4fb7e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#678085
Barthttps://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/swift/bursts/shredded-star.html
"Reality is all that goes into stays in.Also lose spin and wave"
Nothing goes into black Holes.
They have seen what happens 

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#678212

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-03-25 17:23 +0000
Message-ID<p98lur$mm7$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#678090
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Barthttps://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/swift/bursts/shredded-star.html
>"Reality is all that goes into stays in.Also lose spin and wave"
>Nothing goes into black Holes.

Except for everything that does, of course.

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#678117

From"hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
Date2018-03-24 18:14 -0700
Message-ID<p96t6j$uh2$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#678085
"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Reality is "My bar tab for Bud Light broke all records" Bert
"I use Cocaine that is a wonder-drug for me". Bert.
"I park & bark in the dark. I'm of low wit & a stupid shit."
"That is reality.Bert
>
"I will do even more Drugs till the end of my time". Bert
"If I get shot in back of my head. So What".  Bert.
"I feel very safe when I lie. OK, I will lie till I die".  Bert
"That is reality and it's a given. Go Figure" Trebert
>
"I am all alone in my van with my bucket that I shit into"
"Why am I not loved by all. I am very depressed". Bert
"Being Jewish I know this is so very true. O ya" -- Bert

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#678214

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-03-25 17:26 +0000
Message-ID<p98m4d$mm7$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#678075
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Beer
>Nothing 'goes into' any black Holes. They spin too fast.

And what about the ones that don't spin? (Schwartzchild black holes) ?

And even for the ones that do spin, what is your evidence or proof of
that claim? You don't even have a science model of a black hole to base
your claims from!

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#678229

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-25 12:11 -0700
Message-ID<4975f86b-6ad5-4581-9401-f5f4924e9aa9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#678214
MM
"And what about the ones that don't spin? (Schwartzchild black holes"
Find one
Measure it's spin
Show it to be different than the ones already measured
(which go FAST)
Never happen, Mike

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#678233

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-25 19:32 +0000
Message-ID<p98tfo$or1$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#678229
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> "And what about the ones that don't spin? (Schwartzchild black holes"
> Find one
> Measure it's spin
> Show it to be different than the ones already measured
> (which go FAST)
> Never happen, Mike
> 

You continue to confuse the spin of the black hole with the spin of the
accretion disc around the black hole. Not the same thing at all. 

Satellites spin around the earth once every hour and a half. The moon spins
around the earth once a month. The earth spins at neither of these rates. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#678276

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-03-26 00:35 +0000
Message-ID<p99f7p$6tm$3@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#678229
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"And what about the ones that don't spin? (Schwartzchild black holes"
>Find one

Right after you show me "nothing" spinning so fast that matter cannot
fall into it.

>Measure it's spin
>Show it to be different than the ones already measured
>(which go FAST)
>Never happen, Mike

I hope you realize the absurdity of your so-called "theory" being so 
directly opposite of what an actual black hole would be.
Matter cannot fall into it vs. matter cannot avoid falling in.
Your idea is ridiculous.

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#678230

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-25 12:13 -0700
Message-ID<681b17e7-838c-4063-92c3-a8b61a947438@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#678214
MM
Or better yet, Mike!
Find a Galaxy that doesn't spin- it will have a non-spinning black hole!!
Hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha 

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#678281

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-03-26 00:46 +0000
Message-ID<p99ft3$6tm$4@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#678230
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>Or better yet, Mike!
>Find a Galaxy that doesn't spin- it will have a non-spinning black hole!!
>Hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha 

That is completely different. The individual stars must orbit since if
they don't, they'll fall straight into the center. (note that if the stars
have orbits aligned at random, there will be no net rotation of the galaxy.
I believe elliptical galaxies and globular clusters are like this)

The fact is the orbiting stars orbit has no effect on whether any central
massive black hole rotates. As Odd pointed out, low orbiting earth 
satellites orbit the Earth once every 90 minutes but that doesn't mean the 
earth rotates once every 90 minutes.  So yes, it's certainly possible
that a spiral galaxy with zillions of orbiting stars could have a 
non-rotating black hole at its center.

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#678345

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-26 08:03 -0700
Message-ID<14e60c85-bc28-4a0c-8975-3f78a4b0657c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#678281
MM
"
satellites orbit the Earth once every 90 minutes but that doesn't mean the 
earth rotates once every 90 minutes.  So yes, it's certainly possible 
that a spiral galaxy with zillions of orbiting stars could have a
non-rotating black hole at its center. "

Not zillions. 50 billion per arm.
No.
It's only possible in ur fertile imagination 

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#678375

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-03-26 17:21 +0000
Message-ID<p9ba6i$agq$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#678345
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"
>satellites orbit the Earth once every 90 minutes but that doesn't mean the 
>earth rotates once every 90 minutes.  So yes, it's certainly possible 
>that a spiral galaxy with zillions of orbiting stars could have a
>non-rotating black hole at its center. "

>Not zillions. 50 billion per arm.

That's good to know, but which galaxy is that for, the Milky Way?
Also, how many stars are currently between the arms?

>No.
>It's only possible in ur fertile imagination 

No what? There can't be a non-rotating black hole at the center
of a galaxy?  Why not? Because you said so? So who died and made
you God?

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#678384

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-26 10:51 -0700
Message-ID<e3abbeb3-01bf-4357-942c-112537e58679@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#678375
MM
"Why not? Because you said so? So who died and made "

Because it's just as stupid as ur other stuff

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#678391

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-03-26 18:35 +0000
Message-ID<p9beh8$9h1$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#678384
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"Why not? Because you said so? So who died and made "

>Because it's just as stupid as ur other stuff

Oh so you say it's impossible to have a non-rotating black hole
not because of scientific explanations, but because the mysterious
"John Logic", which has never been explained, says it's "stupid".

So tell us how is your "John Logic" is different from "It's True
Because I Said So!"

(And which galaxy has the 50 billion stars per arm, and how many
stars are currently between the arms?)

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#678402

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-26 13:10 -0700
Message-ID<74acc2c3-2780-43be-8837-42359eb0c527@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#678391
MM
"(And which galaxy has the 50 billion stars per arm, and how many"
Do your own research, zillion Man

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#678403

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-03-26 20:39 +0000
Message-ID<p9blq0$ok3$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#678402
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"(And which galaxy has the 50 billion stars per arm, and how many"
>Do your own research, zillion Man

You're mean...

Can you at least how many stars are between the arms of this galaxy?

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#678416

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-26 14:44 -0700
Message-ID<7ed6efe5-b22f-4594-9d25-2db3d427ed26@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#678403
MM
"Can you at least how many stars are between the arms of this galaxy? "
Nobody can.
Could be none; the stars in the arms are obviously together, but any single stars going this way or that could be way in front or way behind.

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#678423

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-03-26 21:58 +0000
Message-ID<p9bqe5$eu$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#678416
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"Can you at least how many stars are between the arms of this galaxy? "
>Nobody can.
>Could be none; the stars in the arms are obviously together, but any
>single stars going this way or that could be way in front or way behind.

What about spiral galaxies where the space between the arms is obviously
brighter than space outside of the disk?  Those brighter areas are
full of stars that are obviously part of the galaxy.  Remember, this
describes most spiral galaxies.

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