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  How do electron clouds quantum leap? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-12 20:33 -0700
    How do electron clouds quantum leap? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 06:57 -0700
      How do electron clouds quantum leap? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 07:08 -0700
        Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 14:14 +0000
        Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-13 17:48 -0700
      Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 07:38 -0700
        Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 07:47 -0700
          Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 09:11 -0700
            Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 09:18 -0700
              Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-14 18:06 +0000
              Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 15:14 -0700
                Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 22:18 +0000
          Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-14 18:00 +0000
    Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-03-13 09:35 -0700
      Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-03-13 09:45 -0700
    Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-13 17:04 +0000
      Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-13 12:16 -0700
        Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-03-13 17:35 -0700
          Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 17:41 -0700
            Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 07:41 -0700
          Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-13 17:51 -0700
        Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-14 17:52 +0000
      Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-03-13 23:17 -0700
        Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-03-14 00:44 -0700
    Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 07:26 -0700
      Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 07:31 -0700
        Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 15:21 +0000
          Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 08:48 -0700
            Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-14 18:03 +0000
      Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-14 13:37 -0700
        Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 15:21 -0700
          Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-14 15:53 -0700
            Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-03-15 09:52 -0700
              Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-15 15:13 -0700
              Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-15 19:43 -0700
                Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-03-16 04:57 -0700
                  Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-03-16 10:30 -0700
                    Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-03-16 22:32 -0700
                Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-03-16 10:30 -0700
                  Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-16 11:02 -0700
                    Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-03-16 11:21 -0700
                Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-16 21:45 +0000
                  Re: How do electron clouds quantum leap? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-16 17:29 -0700

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#676061 — How do electron clouds quantum leap?

Electron's positions jump and bond to the next shell without a cloud.
How do electron clouds conduct to the next atom surface
in the phenomenon of electricity?

Quantum mechanics hasn't known what it is talking about.
Einstein knew better. QM clouds are not real. Particles
do have definite positions that move continuously.
Quantum Mechanics has been a so called scientific
fairy tail...

No one should believe anymore that Einstein lost the
argument to the world...

Mitchell Raemsch

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#676111

Mitch
"Electron's positions jump and bond to the next shell without a cloud. 
How do electron clouds conduct to the next atom surface 
in the phenomenon of electricity? 

Quantum mechanics hasn't known what it is talking about. 
Einstein knew better. QM clouds are not real. Particles 
do have definite positions that.."
Yes, electrons behave as particles.
But they are a cloud. I think that what keeps all the bits of the individual electron together is their common spin. All Matter has a common spin, but each electron was created from a different place in the Universe, which gives it an initial  cohesive spin characteristic, like a fingerprint.

Every electron is different.

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#676113

I was going to talk about photons, and end up with "original spin".
Haha.
No, I think that photons accrete at an atom's Center, pulling the electrons' arms gradually inward and speeding
them up. Like when a skater pulls in her arms in a spin. Then, when the photon release takes place, the electrons suddenly stretch out again and slow down.

I'm sure Odd has definitive proof that this is incorrect, but I need advanced maths to comprehend it.

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#676114

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was going to talk about photons, and end up with "original spin".
> Haha.
> No, I think that photons accrete at an atom's Center, pulling the
> electrons' arms gradually inward and speeding
> them up. Like when a skater pulls in her arms in a spin. Then, when the
> photon release takes place, the electrons suddenly stretch out again and slow down.
> 
> I'm sure Odd has definitive proof that this is incorrect, but I need
> advanced maths to comprehend it.
> 

Depends on what you mean by “advanced maths”. If you mean more than 3rd
grade arithmetic, yeah probably so. 

I don’t think it’s unreasonable that ideas that are just wrong would
require more than 3rd grade arithmetic to explain why they’re wrong. Do you
think wrong ideas should be shown clearly wrong at the 3rd grade level?

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#676208

On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 7:08:13 AM UTC-7, john wrote:
> I was going to talk about photons, and end up with "original spin".
> Haha.
> No, I think that photons accrete at an atom's Center, pulling the electrons' arms gradually inward and speeding
> them up. Like when a skater pulls in her arms in a spin. Then, when the photon release takes place, the electrons suddenly stretch out again and slow down.
> 
> I'm sure Odd has definitive proof that this is incorrect, but I need advanced maths to comprehend it.

Spin only goes half way... sometimes...
It is a failed mind concept because
particles don't have radiuses.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#676303

On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 9:57:39 AM UTC-4, john wrote:
[]
> Yes, electrons behave as particles.
> But they are a cloud. I think that what keeps all the bits of
> the individual electron together is their common spin. All Matter
> has a common spin, but each electron was created from a different
> place in the Universe, which gives it an initial  cohesive spin
> characteristic, like a fingerprint.
> 
> Every electron is different.


How do they differ? Is it something measurable? Or perhaps its aura?

Lets see, Do they differ in mass?
Well many experiment measure the mass resulting in over 10 digits of
precision. So if they differ in mass it is 0.000000001% or less.

how about charge?
Oh, you have a SLIGHTLY better chance here. Yhe charge is 9 digits
of precision, so electrons could differ by 0.00000001% or less
and still look the same in charge experiments.

Maybe since you call it spin, you mean they differ in magnetic moment?
that has to be it right?
Well then, that fingerprint is pretty small. It would have to be
a difference in magnetic moment of 0.0000000000001% or less.

I don't know John. Where is this fingerprint hiding?

Ed

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#676305

Ed
"On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 9:57:39 AM UTC-4, john wrote: 
[] 
> Yes, electrons behave as particles. 
> But they are a cloud. I think that what keeps all the bits of 
> the individual electron together is their common spin. All Matter 
> has a common spin, but each electron was created from a different 
> place in the Universe, which gives it an initial  cohesive spin 
> characteristic, like a fingerprint. 
> 
> Every electron is different. 


How do they differ? Is it something measurable? Or perhaps its aura? 

Lets see, Do they differ in mass? 
Well many experiment measure the mass resulting in over 10 digits of 
precision. So if they differ in mass it is 0.000000001% or less. 

how about charge? 
Oh, you have a SLIGHTLY better chance here. Yhe charge is 9 digits 
of precision, so electrons could differ by 0.00000001% or less 
and still look the same in charge experiments. 

Maybe since you call it spin, you mean they differ in magnetic moment? 
that has to be it right? 
Well then, that fingerprint is pretty small. It would have to be 
a difference in magnetic moment of 0.0000000000001% or less. 

I don't know John. Where is this fingerprint hiding? 

Ed "

So you think all electrons are identical?
Whyever would you think that?

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#676321

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 10:47:47 AM UTC-4, john wrote:
> Ed
> "On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 9:57:39 AM UTC-4, john wrote: 
> [] 
> > Yes, electrons behave as particles. 
> > But they are a cloud. I think that what keeps all the bits of 
> > the individual electron together is their common spin. All Matter 
> > has a common spin, but each electron was created from a different 
> > place in the Universe, which gives it an initial  cohesive spin 
> > characteristic, like a fingerprint. 
> > 
> > Every electron is different. 
> 
> 
> How do they differ? Is it something measurable? Or perhaps its aura? 
> 
> Lets see, Do they differ in mass? 
> Well many experiment measure the mass resulting in over 10 digits of 
> precision. So if they differ in mass it is 0.000000001% or less. 
> 
> how about charge? 
> Oh, you have a SLIGHTLY better chance here. Yhe charge is 9 digits 
> of precision, so electrons could differ by 0.00000001% or less 
> and still look the same in charge experiments. 
> 
> Maybe since you call it spin, you mean they differ in magnetic moment? 
> that has to be it right? 
> Well then, that fingerprint is pretty small. It would have to be 
> a difference in magnetic moment of 0.0000000000001% or less. 
> 
> I don't know John. Where is this fingerprint hiding? 
> 
> Ed "
> 
> So you think all electrons are identical?
> Whyever would you think that?

Haven't found a different one yet!
8^)
  Ed

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#676322

Ed
"- show quoted text -
Haven't found a different one yet! 
8^) 
  Ed "
Boasting about failure- QM indoctrinate 

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#676337

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Ed
>"- show quoted text -
>Haven't found a different one yet! 
>8^) 
>  Ed "
>Boasting about failure- QM indoctrinate 

No, John, that's not how science works. Not finding something
that doesn't exist is not a failure if you are trying to figure
out whether it exists or not.

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#676386

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 12:18:21 PM UTC-4, john wrote:
> Ed
> "- show quoted text -
> Haven't found a different one yet! 
> 8^) 
>   Ed "
> Boasting about failure- QM indoctrinate

It is not my failure if you cannot find what you are looking for.
Ed

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#676388

Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 12:18:21 PM UTC-4, john wrote:
>> Ed
>> "- show quoted text -
>> Haven't found a different one yet! 
>> 8^) 
>> Ed "
>> Boasting about failure- QM indoctrinate
> 
> It is not my failure if you cannot find what you are looking for.
> Ed
> 

More like John launching diatribes against people who won’t look for things
only he believes are there. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#676333

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>So you think all electrons are identical?
>Whyever would you think that?

Because every single time we measure the properties of the
electrons, we *always* get the same answer (within an extremely
small error range)?  They all have the same mass & charge to within
9-10 decimal places. They even all have the same measured radius
(extremely tiny, consistent with 0). That's how science works, John.

Here's another problem for you.
Do you think all values of 2 are identical?

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#676128

On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 5:33:15 AM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> Electron's positions jump and bond to the next shell without a cloud.
> How do electron clouds 
------
first thing 
here is no electron clouds and no electron schlowdes 

conduct to the next atom surface
==
no first and no second surface !!
===
> in the phenomenon of electricity?
> 
> Quantum mechanics hasn't known what it is talking about.
> Einstein knew better. QM clouds are not real
=
right 
no clouds and no sclaudes ~
===

. Particles
> do have definite positions that move continuously.
====================================================
nothing is really moving!
 -A LOT IS VIBRATING !!
THE MATHEMATICAL  FORMULA OF A 'CIRCLING 'OBJECT ARE THE DAME OF A VIBRATING OBJECT !!!
SEE
http://sites/google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract
======

> Quantum Mechanics has been a so called scientific
==
> fairy tail...
it looks like a fairy tail  
===
> 
> No one should believe anymore that Einstein lost the
> argument to the world...
> 
> Mitchell Raemsch
================================
TIA
Y.Porat
===================================

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#676133

On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 6:35:30 PM UTC+2, pora...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 5:33:15 AM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Electron's positions jump and bond to the next shell without a cloud.
> > How do electron clouds 
> ------
> first thing 
> here is no electron clouds and no electron schlowdes 
> 
> conduct to the next atom surface
> ==
> no first and no second surface !!
> ===
> > in the phenomenon of electricity?
> > 
> > Quantum mechanics hasn't known what it is talking about.
> > Einstein knew better. QM clouds are not real
> =
> right 
> no clouds and no sclaudes ~
> ===
> 
> . Particles
> > do have definite positions that move continuously.
> ====================================================
> nothing is really moving!
>  -A LOT IS VIBRATING !!
> THE MATHEMATICAL  FORMULA OF A 'CIRCLING 'OBJECT ARE THE DAME OF A VIBRATING OBJECT !!!
> SEE
> http://sites/google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract
=====
sorry typo 
(just  one'pips and you are lost ...

so :

http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract 

i hope this time it is right 
--
TIA
Y.P
================================
> ======
>  

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#676138

mitchrae3323@gmail.com writes:

>Electron's positions jump and bond to the next shell without a cloud.
>How do electron clouds conduct to the next atom surface
>in the phenomenon of electricity?

There is no "surface" to bond to. It is simply a jump in energy
level.

There is no real "how". The Feynman diagram is a simple 3 line point
vertex, e+gamma->e or e->e+gamma.

Remember, electrons, like photons, have both a wavelike and particlelike
nature. Orbitals show the wavelike nature of electrons. (Electrons,
because they have a small but nonzero mass, act more particlelike than
photons, but they still act wavelike. See the electron microscope as an
example)

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#676159

On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 10:04:43 AM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
> mitchrae3323@gmail.com writes:
> 
> >Electron's positions jump and bond to the next shell without a cloud.
> >How do electron clouds conduct to the next atom surface
> >in the phenomenon of electricity?
> 
> There is no "surface" to bond to. It is simply a jump in energy
> level.

Wrong. All atoms have their solid surface...
where electricity without a cloud takes place.
The same with a quantum leap.

Probability clouds are ruled out.

> 
> There is no real "how". 

Backing out of "reality" when you can't admit science doesn't
have all the answers? Shame on you...



> The Feynman diagram is a simple 3 line point
> vertex, e+gamma->e or e->e+gamma.
> 
> Remember, electrons, like photons, have both a wavelike and particlelike
> nature. Orbitals show the wavelike nature of electrons. (Electrons,
> because they have a small but nonzero mass, act more particlelike than
> photons, but they still act wavelike. See the electron microscope as an
> example)

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#676204

On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 12:16:20 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wrong. All atoms have their solid surface...

Mitch, you are just making this up as you go along, again...

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#676207

Nothing is solid and continuous
The smaller you look, the more space you see

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#676304

On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 8:41:38 PM UTC-4, john wrote:
> Nothing is solid and continuous
> The smaller you look, the more space you see

Yeah! You got that one right JOHN!!!
Congratulations.
Ed

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