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  Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-22 23:25 +0100
    Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-22 15:44 -0700
      Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-05-02 20:00 +0100
        Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-02 14:07 -0700
          Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-05-02 23:54 +0100
            Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-02 16:01 -0700

#630148 — Re: Smokers are smarter, I say.

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 22:26:17 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> On 4/16/17, 2:15 PM, in article op.yys3z7n3js98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
> Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> I have no issue with a modular tool -- but if the BEST choice he can find
>>>>> for it does not even have auto-spell checking that is sad.
>>>>
>>>> I use it by choice.
>>>
>>> Right. And presumably the best choice you can find... I mean why would you
>>> not use that? Maybe out of habit? But unless there is a good answer it is
>>> the best choice... and as you admit it has a significant weakness.
>>>
>>> Again, not putting you down for it. My Usenet client SUCKS! But it has some
>>> pretty good abilities in terms of "smart folders" and so I stick with it
>>> (and there is simply nothing free on macOS I have found which I like).
>>
>> Which is why you're both stupid for using rare OSs.
>
> Ah, you like to use what is common... no matter what downsides it might
> have. OK.

The more that people use something, the more effort is put into making it work well.

Plus it makes you more compatible with everyone else, and you have the support from more other people.

>> Use windows and have a
>> huge array of choice for newsreaders and every other program.
>
> But that does not mean Windows always has the best-of-class software NOT the
> best workflows.

More options, more likelihood of the best.

-- 
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#630151

On 4/22/17, 3:25 PM, in article op.yy4a8ampjs98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 22:26:17 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 4/16/17, 2:15 PM, in article op.yys3z7n3js98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
>> Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>> I have no issue with a modular tool -- but if the BEST choice he can find
>>>>>> for it does not even have auto-spell checking that is sad.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I use it by choice.
>>>> 
>>>> Right. And presumably the best choice you can find... I mean why would you
>>>> not use that? Maybe out of habit? But unless there is a good answer it is
>>>> the best choice... and as you admit it has a significant weakness.
>>>> 
>>>> Again, not putting you down for it. My Usenet client SUCKS! But it has some
>>>> pretty good abilities in terms of "smart folders" and so I stick with it
>>>> (and there is simply nothing free on macOS I have found which I like).
>>> 
>>> Which is why you're both stupid for using rare OSs.
>> 
>> Ah, you like to use what is common... no matter what downsides it might
>> have. OK.
> 
> The more that people use something, the more effort is put into making it work
> well.
> 
> Plus it makes you more compatible with everyone else, and you have the support
> from more other people.

There are many tasks I do which are done better on macOS than on Windows, in
part because of the software but also because of the tools macOS provides
me. Here is a partial list:

  - Proxy icons
  - A Media Browser
  - Full screen programs integrating with virtual desktops
  - PDF Services
  - A system wide color selector which allows for add-ons
  - A system wide font manager where you can define sets and more
  - Application services
  - Renaming and moving and duplicating from within programs
  - QuickLook (and its integration with so many programs)
  - Saved status indicators
  - A visual versioning system - which allows easy copying and pasting
    from earlier versions
  - A visual backup system that allows a novice to "dig back" into their
    history
  - Consistent print dialogs
  - Consistent save and open dialogs
  - Consistent common dialog names and placements and hot keys

These things are not done perfectly on macOS and the programs that run on
it, but they are generally done well.

>>> Use windows and have a
>>> huge array of choice for newsreaders and every other program.
>> 
>> But that does not mean Windows always has the best-of-class software NOT the
>> best workflows.
> 
> More options, more likelihood of the best.

I use iWork often... nothing like it on Windows that I know of. And other
tools on Windows do not, of course, tap into the things I list above or
similar things. They cannot because Windows does not offer most of those
(though with the dialogs I guess it is not too far off).

But use what you like. That is why *I* like macOS, but it does not mean it
is the best choice for you... nor that it is the best choice for those who
prefer Linux. Good to know at least the basics of each, though, so you can
decide for yourself (assuming you care to).



-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#631728

On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 23:44:57 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> On 4/22/17, 3:25 PM, in article op.yy4a8ampjs98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
> Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 22:26:17 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/16/17, 2:15 PM, in article op.yys3z7n3js98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
>>> Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> I have no issue with a modular tool -- but if the BEST choice he can find
>>>>>>> for it does not even have auto-spell checking that is sad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use it by choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right. And presumably the best choice you can find... I mean why would you
>>>>> not use that? Maybe out of habit? But unless there is a good answer it is
>>>>> the best choice... and as you admit it has a significant weakness.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, not putting you down for it. My Usenet client SUCKS! But it has some
>>>>> pretty good abilities in terms of "smart folders" and so I stick with it
>>>>> (and there is simply nothing free on macOS I have found which I like).
>>>>
>>>> Which is why you're both stupid for using rare OSs.
>>>
>>> Ah, you like to use what is common... no matter what downsides it might
>>> have. OK.
>>
>> The more that people use something, the more effort is put into making it work
>> well.
>>
>> Plus it makes you more compatible with everyone else, and you have the support
>> from more other people.
>
> There are many tasks I do which are done better on macOS than on Windows, in
> part because of the software but also because of the tools macOS provides
> me. Here is a partial list:
>
>   - Proxy icons

Just read up on what those do, and it doesn't make life any simpler. I can do all that stuff easily in Windows without a little icon.

>   - A Media Browser

Built into Windows File Explorer.

>   - Full screen programs integrating with virtual desktops
>   - PDF Services
>   - A system wide color selector which allows for add-ons
>   - A system wide font manager where you can define sets and more
>   - Application services
>   - Renaming and moving and duplicating from within programs
>   - QuickLook (and its integration with so many programs)
>   - Saved status indicators
>   - A visual versioning system - which allows easy copying and pasting
>     from earlier versions
>   - A visual backup system that allows a novice to "dig back" into their
>     history

[skipped these, I have some TV to watch]

>   - Consistent print dialogs
>   - Consistent save and open dialogs
>   - Consistent common dialog names and placements and hot keys

Consistent in Windows too.

> These things are not done perfectly on macOS and the programs that run on
> it, but they are generally done well.
>
>>>> Use windows and have a
>>>> huge array of choice for newsreaders and every other program.
>>>
>>> But that does not mean Windows always has the best-of-class software NOT the
>>> best workflows.
>>
>> More options, more likelihood of the best.
>
> I use iWork often... nothing like it on Windows that I know of.

Looks just like MS Office to me.

And whats with the i before everything?  It gives an impression that a Mac is a child's toy.  Do they still use words like"finder" and "chooser"?

> And other
> tools on Windows do not, of course, tap into the things I list above or
> similar things. They cannot because Windows does not offer most of those
> (though with the dialogs I guess it is not too far off).
>
> But use what you like. That is why *I* like macOS, but it does not mean it
> is the best choice for you... nor that it is the best choice for those who
> prefer Linux. Good to know at least the basics of each, though, so you can
> decide for yourself (assuming you care to).

Tried them all, hate everything but Windows.  Linux is too geeky, Mac is too childish.

-- 
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish

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#631740

On 5/2/17, 12:00 PM, in article op.yzmkegidjs98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:

... 
>>> Plus it makes you more compatible with everyone else, and you have the
>>> support
>>> from more other people.
>> 
>> There are many tasks I do which are done better on macOS than on Windows, in
>> part because of the software but also because of the tools macOS provides
>> me. Here is a partial list:
>> 
>>   - Proxy icons
> 
> Just read up on what those do, and it doesn't make life any simpler. I can do
> all that stuff easily in Windows without a little icon.

I would love to see it. Here, a quick video to show you how they work on
macOS:

    <https://youtu.be/OFaXv9h2Ato>

If you can show the same type of tool that works in most Windows programs I
would love to see it. I admit I do not know Windows 10 as well as Windows 7
and before, so maybe they have added something.

>>   - A Media Browser
> 
> Built into Windows File Explorer.

Would love to see how you can from, say, pretty much any video editing
program get to:

* a play list from your music player
* an image album from your photo organizer

Keep in mind the lists / albums should be able to be ones you set up or
"smart" ones based off of criteria you set. Or faces or genres or the like.

>>   - Full screen programs integrating with virtual desktops
>>   - PDF Services
>>   - A system wide color selector which allows for add-ons
>>   - A system wide font manager where you can define sets and more
>>   - Application services
>>   - Renaming and moving and duplicating from within programs
>>   - QuickLook (and its integration with so many programs)
>>   - Saved status indicators
>>   - A visual versioning system - which allows easy copying and pasting
>>     from earlier versions
>>   - A visual backup system that allows a novice to "dig back" into their
>>     history
> 
> [skipped these, I have some TV to watch]
> 
>>   - Consistent print dialogs
>>   - Consistent save and open dialogs
>>   - Consistent common dialog names and placements and hot keys
> 
> Consistent in Windows too.

More than in the past, true.

>> These things are not done perfectly on macOS and the programs that run on
>> it, but they are generally done well.
>> 
>>>>> Use windows and have a huge array of choice for newsreaders and every
>>>>> other program.
>>>>> 
>>>> But that does not mean Windows always has the best-of-class software NOT
>>>> the best workflows.
>>> 
>>> More options, more likelihood of the best.
>> 
>> I use iWork often... nothing like it on Windows that I know of.
> 
> Looks just like MS Office to me.

It is not. It does a lot less, but what it does it handles more smoothly. A
good example is working with moving images around (though MS Word has
improved here). And Numbers and Keynote are very different than Excel and
Powerpoint.

> And whats with the i before everything?

There is no "i" before Number, Pages, or Keynote. Nor many other programs
(Mail, Photos, etc.). But not sure why you moved the topic to branding.

> It gives an impression that a Mac is a child's toy.

How so? 

> Do they still use words like"finder" and "chooser"?

The Finder is still there... the Chooser has not been there since Classic
Mac OS.

Why do you ask?

>> And other tools on Windows do not, of course, tap into the things I list
>> above or similar things. They cannot because Windows does not offer most of
>> those (though with the dialogs I guess it is not too far off).
>> 
>> But use what you like. That is why *I* like macOS, but it does not mean it is
>> the best choice for you... nor that it is the best choice for those who
>> prefer Linux. Good to know at least the basics of each, though, so you can
>> decide for yourself (assuming you care to).
> 
> Tried them all, hate everything but Windows.  Linux is too geeky, Mac is too
> childish.

Use what you like... but would be curious as to what you find "Childish"
about macOS... the fact they often (though not always) give you more choice
and better options for productivity, efficiency, and error-reduction?

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#631764

On 02/05/2017 22:07, Snit wrote:
> On 5/2/17, 12:00 PM, in article op.yzmkegidjs98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
> Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:
> 
> ...
>>>> Plus it makes you more compatible with everyone else, and you have the
>>>> support
>>>> from more other people.
>>>
>>> There are many tasks I do which are done better on macOS than on Windows, in
>>> part because of the software but also because of the tools macOS provides
>>> me. Here is a partial list:
>>>
>>>    - Proxy icons
>>
>> Just read up on what those do, and it doesn't make life any simpler. I can do
>> all that stuff easily in Windows without a little icon.
> 
> I would love to see it. Here, a quick video to show you how they work on
> macOS:
> 
>      <https://youtu.be/OFaXv9h2Ato>
> 
> If you can show the same type of tool that works in most Windows programs I
> would love to see it. I admit I do not know Windows 10 as well as Windows 7
> and before, so maybe they have added something.
> 
>>>    - A Media Browser
>>
>> Built into Windows File Explorer.
> 
> Would love to see how you can from, say, pretty much any video editing
> program get to:
> 
> * a play list from your music player
> * an image album from your photo organizer
> 
> Keep in mind the lists / albums should be able to be ones you set up or
> "smart" ones based off of criteria you set. Or faces or genres or the like.
> 
>>>    - Full screen programs integrating with virtual desktops
>>>    - PDF Services
>>>    - A system wide color selector which allows for add-ons
>>>    - A system wide font manager where you can define sets and more
>>>    - Application services
>>>    - Renaming and moving and duplicating from within programs
>>>    - QuickLook (and its integration with so many programs)
>>>    - Saved status indicators
>>>    - A visual versioning system - which allows easy copying and pasting
>>>      from earlier versions
>>>    - A visual backup system that allows a novice to "dig back" into their
>>>      history
>>
>> [skipped these, I have some TV to watch]
>>
>>>    - Consistent print dialogs
>>>    - Consistent save and open dialogs
>>>    - Consistent common dialog names and placements and hot keys
>>
>> Consistent in Windows too.
> 
> More than in the past, true.
> 
>>> These things are not done perfectly on macOS and the programs that run on
>>> it, but they are generally done well.
>>>
>>>>>> Use windows and have a huge array of choice for newsreaders and every
>>>>>> other program.
>>>>>>
>>>>> But that does not mean Windows always has the best-of-class software NOT
>>>>> the best workflows.
>>>>
>>>> More options, more likelihood of the best.
>>>
>>> I use iWork often... nothing like it on Windows that I know of.
>>
>> Looks just like MS Office to me.
> 
> It is not. It does a lot less, but what it does it handles more smoothly. A
> good example is working with moving images around (though MS Word has
> improved here). And Numbers and Keynote are very different than Excel and
> Powerpoint.
> 
>> And whats with the i before everything?
> 
> There is no "i" before Number, Pages, or Keynote. Nor many other programs
> (Mail, Photos, etc.). But not sure why you moved the topic to branding.
> 
>> It gives an impression that a Mac is a child's toy.
> 
> How so?
> 
>> Do they still use words like"finder" and "chooser"?
> 
> The Finder is still there... the Chooser has not been there since Classic
> Mac OS.
> 
> Why do you ask?
> 
>>> And other tools on Windows do not, of course, tap into the things I list
>>> above or similar things. They cannot because Windows does not offer most of
>>> those (though with the dialogs I guess it is not too far off).
>>>
>>> But use what you like. That is why *I* like macOS, but it does not mean it is
>>> the best choice for you... nor that it is the best choice for those who
>>> prefer Linux. Good to know at least the basics of each, though, so you can
>>> decide for yourself (assuming you care to).
>>
>> Tried them all, hate everything but Windows.  Linux is too geeky, Mac is too
>> childish.
> 
> Use what you like... but would be curious as to what you find "Childish"
> about macOS... the fact they often (though not always) give you more choice
> and better options for productivity, efficiency, and error-reduction?


I'd ALSO like to know!  ;-)

-- 
"The important thing is not to stop questioning."
  - Albert Einstein

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#631766

On 5/2/17, 3:54 PM, in article z68OA.709275$ID6.307934@fx29.fr7, "David B."
<DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> wrote:

> On 02/05/2017 22:07, Snit wrote:
>> On 5/2/17, 12:00 PM, in article op.yzmkegidjs98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
>> Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ...
>>>>> Plus it makes you more compatible with everyone else, and you have the
>>>>> support from more other people.
>>>>> 
>>>> There are many tasks I do which are done better on macOS than on Windows,
>>>> in part because of the software but also because of the tools macOS
>>>> provides me. Here is a partial list:
>>>> 
>>>>    - Proxy icons
>>> 
>>> Just read up on what those do, and it doesn't make life any simpler. I can
>>> do
>>> all that stuff easily in Windows without a little icon.
>> 
>> I would love to see it. Here, a quick video to show you how they work on
>> macOS:
>> 
>>      <https://youtu.be/OFaXv9h2Ato>
>> 
>> If you can show the same type of tool that works in most Windows programs I
>> would love to see it. I admit I do not know Windows 10 as well as Windows 7
>> and before, so maybe they have added something.
>> 
>>>>    - A Media Browser
>>> 
>>> Built into Windows File Explorer.
>> 
>> Would love to see how you can from, say, pretty much any video editing
>> program get to:
>> 
>> * a play list from your music player
>> * an image album from your photo organizer
>> 
>> Keep in mind the lists / albums should be able to be ones you set up or
>> "smart" ones based off of criteria you set. Or faces or genres or the like.
>> 
>>>>    - Full screen programs integrating with virtual desktops
>>>>    - PDF Services
>>>>    - A system wide color selector which allows for add-ons
>>>>    - A system wide font manager where you can define sets and more
>>>>    - Application services
>>>>    - Renaming and moving and duplicating from within programs
>>>>    - QuickLook (and its integration with so many programs)
>>>>    - Saved status indicators
>>>>    - A visual versioning system - which allows easy copying and pasting
>>>>      from earlier versions
>>>>    - A visual backup system that allows a novice to "dig back" into their
>>>>      history
>>> 
>>> [skipped these, I have some TV to watch]
>>> 
>>>>    - Consistent print dialogs
>>>>    - Consistent save and open dialogs
>>>>    - Consistent common dialog names and placements and hot keys
>>> 
>>> Consistent in Windows too.
>> 
>> More than in the past, true.
>> 
>>>> These things are not done perfectly on macOS and the programs that run on
>>>> it, but they are generally done well.
>>>> 
>>>>>>> Use windows and have a huge array of choice for newsreaders and every
>>>>>>> other program.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But that does not mean Windows always has the best-of-class software NOT
>>>>>> the best workflows.
>>>>> 
>>>>> More options, more likelihood of the best.
>>>> 
>>>> I use iWork often... nothing like it on Windows that I know of.
>>> 
>>> Looks just like MS Office to me.
>> 
>> It is not. It does a lot less, but what it does it handles more smoothly. A
>> good example is working with moving images around (though MS Word has
>> improved here). And Numbers and Keynote are very different than Excel and
>> Powerpoint.
>> 
>>> And whats with the i before everything?
>> 
>> There is no "i" before Number, Pages, or Keynote. Nor many other programs
>> (Mail, Photos, etc.). But not sure why you moved the topic to branding.
>> 
>>> It gives an impression that a Mac is a child's toy.
>> 
>> How so?
>> 
>>> Do they still use words like"finder" and "chooser"?
>> 
>> The Finder is still there... the Chooser has not been there since Classic
>> Mac OS.
>> 
>> Why do you ask?
>> 
>>>> And other tools on Windows do not, of course, tap into the things I list
>>>> above or similar things. They cannot because Windows does not offer most of
>>>> those (though with the dialogs I guess it is not too far off).
>>>> 
>>>> But use what you like. That is why *I* like macOS, but it does not mean it
>>>> is
>>>> the best choice for you... nor that it is the best choice for those who
>>>> prefer Linux. Good to know at least the basics of each, though, so you can
>>>> decide for yourself (assuming you care to).
>>> 
>>> Tried them all, hate everything but Windows.  Linux is too geeky, Mac is too
>>> childish.
>> 
>> Use what you like... but would be curious as to what you find "Childish"
>> about macOS... the fact they often (though not always) give you more choice
>> and better options for productivity, efficiency, and error-reduction?
> 
> I'd ALSO like to know!  ;-)

I think the best anyone will come up with is some of the UI design which has
been deemed not as "professional" by some... but even that is toned down a
lot (as they added transparency I do not like). But Windows and MS have a
lot of areas that can be called "childish", too... who plays with blocks?
What about the talking paper clip which they got rid of AS they were adding
a talking dog to the OS search (now also gone, to be fair).

I think those beat anything Apple has had on the "childish" scale. :)

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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