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What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view

Started byOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
First post2017-08-25 17:28 -0500
Last post2017-08-30 19:00 +0000
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  What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 17:28 -0500
    What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 16:04 -0700
      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-26 01:53 +0000
    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-25 19:17 -0500
      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <nobody@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-26 01:50 -0400
        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-26 09:07 -0500
          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-26 10:43 -0500
            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-26 11:26 -0500
              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-26 10:24 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-26 14:28 -0500
                  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-26 18:06 -0700
                    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-27 01:25 +0000
                      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-26 22:52 -0400
                        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-27 12:27 +0000
                          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-27 08:23 -0700
                            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-27 09:00 -0700
                              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-27 18:08 +0000
                            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-27 16:53 -0500
                              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-27 22:24 -0700
                                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-27 22:37 -0700
                                  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-27 22:54 -0700
                                    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 06:32 -0700
                                      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 09:02 -0500
                                        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 07:51 -0700
                                          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-28 10:05 -0500
                                            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 08:19 -0700
                                              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 10:26 -0500
                                            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-28 16:43 -0400
                                          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 10:23 -0500
                                          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 10:29 -0500
                                            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 08:50 -0700
                                              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 11:08 -0500
                                                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 09:17 -0700
                                                  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 11:41 -0500
                                                  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 09:56 -0700
                                                    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 12:02 -0500
                                                    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-28 18:05 +0000
                                                      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 11:14 -0700
                                                        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 13:31 -0500
                                                        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-28 20:44 +0000
                                            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-28 12:08 -0500
                                              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 13:30 -0500
                                                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-28 16:15 -0500
                                                  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 16:32 -0500
                                                    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-28 19:33 -0500
                                                      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 13:26 -0500
                                                        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 18:44 -0500
                                                          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 02:42 +0000
                                                  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-28 18:32 -0400
                                                    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-28 21:59 -0500
                                                      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-29 06:26 -0700
                                                        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-29 08:46 -0500
                                                          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-29 16:40 -0400
                                                      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-29 16:35 -0400
                                                        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-29 15:53 -0500
                                                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-28 17:34 -0400
                                            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-28 16:46 -0400
                                              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 16:03 +0000
                                                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 09:27 -0700
                                                  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 13:37 -0500
                                                    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 12:40 -0700
                                                      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 15:03 -0500
                                                        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 15:10 -0500
                                                          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 13:19 -0700
                                                            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 15:38 -0500
                                                              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 15:43 -0500
                                                                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 15:50 -0500
                                                                  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 14:59 -0500
                                                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-31 17:06 -0400
                                    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-28 11:47 -0700
                              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 07:46 -0700
                                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 10:19 -0500
                          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-28 16:16 -0400
                            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 16:03 +0000
                              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-31 17:04 -0400
                                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 19:37 +0000
                                  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-01 18:18 -0400
                                    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 22:52 +0000
                                      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-01 21:38 -0400
                                        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 02:42 +0000
                                          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-01 23:31 -0400
                                            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 13:33 +0000
                                              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 10:08 -0700
                                                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 12:11 -0500
                                                  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 10:23 -0700
                                                    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 11:19 -0700
                                                      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 14:23 -0500
                                                        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 14:00 -0700
                                                          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 15:00 -0700
                                                            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 22:14 +0000
                                                          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 22:14 +0000
                                                            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 15:39 -0700
                                                              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 22:47 +0000
                                                                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 16:06 -0700
                                                                  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 00:07 +0000
                                                            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 16:17 -0700
                                                              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 00:07 +0000
                                                                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 17:17 -0700
                                                                  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 00:28 +0000
                                                                    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 17:34 -0700
                                                                      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 00:50 +0000
                                                                        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 18:01 -0700
                                                                          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 01:18 +0000
                                                                            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 18:30 -0700
                                                                              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 18:51 -0700
                                                                                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-09-02 19:05 -0700
                                                                                  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 19:17 -0700
                                                                                    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 02:19 +0000
                                                                                      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 01:33 -0700
                                                                                        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 13:08 +0000
                                                                                        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-04 07:02 +0000
                                                                                  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 13:20 -0700
                                                                                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 02:16 +0000
                                                                                  If a delusion benefits a kook, he'll go with it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 05:21 -0700
                                                                                    Re: If a delusion benefits a kook, he'll go with it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 13:08 +0000
                                                                                      Re: If a delusion benefits a kook, he'll go with it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 06:27 -0700
                                                                                        Re: If a delusion benefits a kook, he'll go with it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 13:35 +0000
                                                                                          Re: If a delusion benefits a kook, he'll go with it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 06:50 -0700
                                                                                            Re: If a delusion benefits a kook, he'll go with it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 07:16 -0700
                                                                                              Re: If a delusion benefits a kook, he'll go with it. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-03 20:29 +0000
                                                                                                Re: If a delusion benefits a kook, he'll go with it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 14:00 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: If a delusion benefits a kook, he'll go with it. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-03 22:54 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: If a delusion benefits a kook, he'll go with it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 19:37 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: If a delusion benefits a kook, he'll go with it. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-04 06:05 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: If a delusion benefits a kook, he'll go with it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 15:10 -0500
                                                                                              Re: If a delusion benefits a kook, he'll go with it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 15:10 -0500
                                                                                            Re: If a delusion benefits a kook, he'll go with it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 15:08 -0500
                                                                                  Re: If a delusion benefits a kook, he'll go with it. "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2017-09-03 12:47 +0000
                                                                                    Re: If a delusion benefits a kook, he'll go with it. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-09-05 06:51 -0500
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                                                                                        Re: Michael Glasser is THE UNDISPUTED KING of low SignalToNoise ratios. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-09-05 11:43 -0700
                                                                              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 02:16 +0000
                                                                  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-04 06:50 +0000
                                                                    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 05:01 -0700
                                                                      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-04 16:19 +0000
                                                                        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 11:16 -0700
                                                                          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 12:41 -0700
                                                                            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 00:00 +0000
                                                                            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 08:21 -0500
                                                                          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 15:12 -0500
                                                                            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 13:33 -0700
                                                                              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 13:48 -0700
                                                                                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-09-04 14:59 -0700
                                                                                  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 07:03 -0700
                                                                                  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 08:04 -0700
                                                                                    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-05 17:18 -0400
                                                                                      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 16:29 -0700
                                                                                      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 16:58 -0700
                                                                                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 00:42 +0000
                                                                                  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 18:36 -0700
                                                                                    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 18:51 -0700
                                                                                      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 01:53 +0000
                                                                                        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 19:17 -0700
                                                                                          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 08:23 -0500
                                                                                            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 06:46 -0700
                                                                                              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 07:04 -0700
                                                                                                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 09:08 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 07:32 -0700
                                                                                              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 09:07 -0500
                                                                                              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 15:39 +0000
                                                                                                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 09:48 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 17:25 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 16:10 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 19:25 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 05:55 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 08:46 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 07:09 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 12:44 -0500
                                                                                    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 01:51 +0000
                                                                              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 00:42 +0000
                                                                          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 00:16 +0000
                                                                          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 21:35 -0500
                                                                            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 02:48 -0700
                                              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-02 18:26 -0400
                                                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 22:47 +0000
                                        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-09-01 19:46 -0700
                                          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-01 23:42 -0400
                    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-26 22:53 -0400
                  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-09-02 00:57 -0700
                    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view "Dingus Dirtbag McGee" <scopeflenser@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 18:58 -0700
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#647582

FromSerg io <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-08-28 12:08 -0500
Message-ID<oo1inf$gp0$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#647564
On 8/28/2017 10:29 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 8/28/17 9:51 AM, john wrote:
>> Odd
>> "
>> Fields aren't "given off". A field by definition extends everywhere for
>> all time. A field is not something that radiates out into a place where
>> there was no field before. It's already there and has already been 
>> there "
>>
>> Well SHIT.
>> What are we building microwave towers for?
>> Tell the boys we don't have to- fields already there!!
>>
> 
> I think if you'll look more carefully, John, you'll probably see that 
> the description of microwave towers may talk about radiation of SIGNALS, 
> not of fields. 

Microwave tower - its radiation of an EM wave.   do a cross section of 
your EM and you have two dynamic fields  one E andone M.


> And quite possibly, the idea of those signals being 
> fields and so fields are what have been radiated, is an idea that you 
> made up completely in your own head.

a field is typically a vector field, an array of points (2D or 3D) w 
vectors at each point.

a field,  vector field is a mathematical construct.  Microwave towers 
emit EM waves, not 'fields".

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#647593

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-28 13:30 -0500
Message-ID<oo1ngp$o3j$4@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#647582
On 8/28/17 12:08 PM, Serg io wrote:
> On 8/28/2017 10:29 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 8/28/17 9:51 AM, john wrote:
>>> Odd
>>> "
>>> Fields aren't "given off". A field by definition extends everywhere for
>>> all time. A field is not something that radiates out into a place where
>>> there was no field before. It's already there and has already been 
>>> there "
>>>
>>> Well SHIT.
>>> What are we building microwave towers for?
>>> Tell the boys we don't have to- fields already there!!
>>>
>>
>> I think if you'll look more carefully, John, you'll probably see that 
>> the description of microwave towers may talk about radiation of 
>> SIGNALS, not of fields. 
> 
> Microwave tower - its radiation of an EM wave.   do a cross section of 
> your EM and you have two dynamic fields  one E andone M.
> 
> 
>> And quite possibly, the idea of those signals being fields and so 
>> fields are what have been radiated, is an idea that you made up 
>> completely in your own head.
> 
> a field is typically a vector field, an array of points (2D or 3D) w 
> vectors at each point.
> 
> a field,  vector field is a mathematical construct.  Microwave towers 
> emit EM waves, not 'fields".
> 

The field extends everywhere, all the time. The waves are disturbances 
in that field.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#647647

FromSerg io <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-08-28 16:15 -0500
Message-ID<oo2156$19cq$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#647593
On 8/28/2017 1:30 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 8/28/17 12:08 PM, Serg io wrote:
>> On 8/28/2017 10:29 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> On 8/28/17 9:51 AM, john wrote:
>>>> Odd
>>>> "
>>>> Fields aren't "given off". A field by definition extends everywhere for
>>>> all time. A field is not something that radiates out into a place where
>>>> there was no field before. It's already there and has already been 
>>>> there "
>>>>
>>>> Well SHIT.
>>>> What are we building microwave towers for?
>>>> Tell the boys we don't have to- fields already there!!
>>>>

>>> I think if you'll look more carefully, John, you'll probably see that 
>>> the description of microwave towers may talk about radiation of 
>>> SIGNALS, not of fields. 
>>
>> Microwave tower - its radiation of an EM wave.   do a cross section of 
>> your EM and you have two dynamic fields  one E andone M.
>>
>>
>>> And quite possibly, the idea of those signals being fields and so 
>>> fields are what have been radiated, is an idea that you made up 
>>> completely in your own head.
>>
>> a field is typically a vector field, an array of points (2D or 3D) w 
>> vectors at each point.
>>
>> a field,  vector field is a mathematical construct.  Microwave towers 
>> emit EM waves, not 'fields".
>>
> 
> The field extends everywhere, all the time. The waves are disturbances 
> in that field.
> 

take a flashlight, turn it on, is the light, an EM wave emitted, only a 
disturbance in some sort of field ?

sounds familiar...


and field equations are used on surfaces to solve problems, they exist 
within the boundry cut upon the surface, no need for the field else where.

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#647656

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-28 16:32 -0500
Message-ID<oo2258$1ajk$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#647647
On 8/28/17 4:15 PM, Serg io wrote:
> On 8/28/2017 1:30 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 8/28/17 12:08 PM, Serg io wrote:
>>> On 8/28/2017 10:29 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 8/28/17 9:51 AM, john wrote:
>>>>> Odd
>>>>> "
>>>>> Fields aren't "given off". A field by definition extends everywhere 
>>>>> for
>>>>> all time. A field is not something that radiates out into a place 
>>>>> where
>>>>> there was no field before. It's already there and has already been 
>>>>> there "
>>>>>
>>>>> Well SHIT.
>>>>> What are we building microwave towers for?
>>>>> Tell the boys we don't have to- fields already there!!
>>>>>
> 
>>>> I think if you'll look more carefully, John, you'll probably see 
>>>> that the description of microwave towers may talk about radiation of 
>>>> SIGNALS, not of fields. 
>>>
>>> Microwave tower - its radiation of an EM wave.   do a cross section 
>>> of your EM and you have two dynamic fields  one E andone M.
>>>
>>>
>>>> And quite possibly, the idea of those signals being fields and so 
>>>> fields are what have been radiated, is an idea that you made up 
>>>> completely in your own head.
>>>
>>> a field is typically a vector field, an array of points (2D or 3D) w 
>>> vectors at each point.
>>>
>>> a field,  vector field is a mathematical construct.  Microwave towers 
>>> emit EM waves, not 'fields".
>>>
>>
>> The field extends everywhere, all the time. The waves are disturbances 
>> in that field.
>>
> 
> take a flashlight, turn it on, is the light, an EM wave emitted, only a 
> disturbance in some sort of field ?

The EM wave *IS* the emitted disturbance in the electromagnetic field.

> 
> sounds familiar...
> 
> 
> and field equations are used on surfaces to solve problems, they exist 
> within the boundry cut upon the surface, no need for the field else where.

Boundary conditions are for fixing a value of a function (or a 
derivative of the function) at a particular place, and it does not 
necessarily imply that there is no field past that boundary, nor that it 
is uninteresting.

> 
> 


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#647679

FromSerg io <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-08-28 19:33 -0500
Message-ID<oo2cor$1ovs$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#647656
On 8/28/2017 4:32 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 8/28/17 4:15 PM, Serg io wrote:
>> On 8/28/2017 1:30 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> On 8/28/17 12:08 PM, Serg io wrote:
>>>> On 8/28/2017 10:29 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>> On 8/28/17 9:51 AM, john wrote:
>>>>>> Odd
>>>>>> "
>>>>>> Fields aren't "given off". A field by definition extends 
>>>>>> everywhere for
>>>>>> all time. A field is not something that radiates out into a place 
>>>>>> where
>>>>>> there was no field before. It's already there and has already been 
>>>>>> there "
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well SHIT.
>>>>>> What are we building microwave towers for?
>>>>>> Tell the boys we don't have to- fields already there!!
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I think if you'll look more carefully, John, you'll probably see 
>>>>> that the description of microwave towers may talk about radiation 
>>>>> of SIGNALS, not of fields. 
>>>>
>>>> Microwave tower - its radiation of an EM wave.   do a cross section 
>>>> of your EM and you have two dynamic fields  one E andone M.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And quite possibly, the idea of those signals being fields and so 
>>>>> fields are what have been radiated, is an idea that you made up 
>>>>> completely in your own head.
>>>>
>>>> a field is typically a vector field, an array of points (2D or 3D) w 
>>>> vectors at each point.
>>>>
>>>> a field,  vector field is a mathematical construct.  Microwave 
>>>> towers emit EM waves, not 'fields".
>>>>
>>>
>>> The field extends everywhere, all the time. The waves are 
>>> disturbances in that field.
>>>
>>
>> take a flashlight, turn it on, is the light, an EM wave emitted, only 
>> a disturbance in some sort of field ?
> 
> The EM wave *IS* the emitted disturbance in the electromagnetic field. 

what is "disturbance" ?  How is that defined disturbance mathematically? 
(see **)

you are including null values in your field(s), when you do that you are 
extending the mathematical construct of field to where ever you want. I 
can define a field called Road, where ever there is a value, there is a 
road, and even if there is no road, that is 0 or null value, so the 
field of roads extends to infinity in all directions when I include null 
values in the field.

The electromagnetic field exists where there is light, and is null out 
side the beam.   It is composed of E and M fields and the fields must 
satisfy Maxwell's equations to travel.

** - "disturbance" must satisfy Maxwell's equations to travel.

http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/maxwells-eq.htm



> 
>>
>> sounds familiar...
>>
>>
>> and field equations are used on surfaces to solve problems, they exist 
>> within the boundry cut upon the surface, no need for the field else 
>> where.
> 
> Boundary conditions are for fixing a value of a function (or a 
> derivative of the function) at a particular place, and it does not 
> necessarily imply that there is no field past that boundary, nor that it 
> is uninteresting.

well, it is used to compute loop integrals, line integrals, and many of 
those are not dependent upon the position or shape of line or cut or 
path, Greens Theorem, .... and a few others I forgot, stokes theorem 
very powerful math.

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#648038

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-31 13:26 -0500
Message-ID<oo9kcj$s12$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#647679
On 8/28/17 7:33 PM, Serg io wrote:
> On 8/28/2017 4:32 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 8/28/17 4:15 PM, Serg io wrote:
>>> On 8/28/2017 1:30 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 8/28/17 12:08 PM, Serg io wrote:
>>>>> On 8/28/2017 10:29 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/28/17 9:51 AM, john wrote:
>>>>>>> Odd
>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>> Fields aren't "given off". A field by definition extends 
>>>>>>> everywhere for
>>>>>>> all time. A field is not something that radiates out into a place 
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> there was no field before. It's already there and has already 
>>>>>>> been there "
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well SHIT.
>>>>>>> What are we building microwave towers for?
>>>>>>> Tell the boys we don't have to- fields already there!!
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> I think if you'll look more carefully, John, you'll probably see 
>>>>>> that the description of microwave towers may talk about radiation 
>>>>>> of SIGNALS, not of fields. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Microwave tower - its radiation of an EM wave.   do a cross section 
>>>>> of your EM and you have two dynamic fields  one E andone M.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> And quite possibly, the idea of those signals being fields and so 
>>>>>> fields are what have been radiated, is an idea that you made up 
>>>>>> completely in your own head.
>>>>>
>>>>> a field is typically a vector field, an array of points (2D or 3D) 
>>>>> w vectors at each point.
>>>>>
>>>>> a field,  vector field is a mathematical construct.  Microwave 
>>>>> towers emit EM waves, not 'fields".
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The field extends everywhere, all the time. The waves are 
>>>> disturbances in that field.
>>>>
>>>
>>> take a flashlight, turn it on, is the light, an EM wave emitted, only 
>>> a disturbance in some sort of field ?
>>
>> The EM wave *IS* the emitted disturbance in the electromagnetic field. 
> 
> what is "disturbance" ?  How is that defined disturbance mathematically? 
> (see **)

Usually as any deviation from an equilibrium state. That is, if the 
field F(x,y,z,t) has surrounding values F0, then F(x,y,z,t)=F0+dF.

> 
> you are including null values in your field(s), when you do that you are 
> extending the mathematical construct of field to where ever you want.

Well, first of all, it's rare that the null values extend for large 
patches over space. Second, this isn't a mathematical construct.

> I 
> can define a field called Road, where ever there is a value, there is a 
> road, and even if there is no road, that is 0 or null value, so the 
> field of roads extends to infinity in all directions when I include null 
> values in the field.

In a sense, except that a road BY DEFINITION has a boundary. A field BY 
DEFINITION extends over all space and time.

> 
> The electromagnetic field exists where there is light,

No, that is not true. The electromagnetic field exists everywhere. Light 
exists where there is a propagating ripple in that field. Don't confuse 
light with an electromagnetic field. They are not the same. Light is a 
WAVE in the electromagnetic field. The wave does not have to extend over 
all space, but the field does, BY DEFINITION.

>  and is null out 
> side the beam.   It is composed of E and M fields and the fields must 
> satisfy Maxwell's equations to travel.
> 
> ** - "disturbance" must satisfy Maxwell's equations to travel.
> 
> http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/maxwells-eq.htm
> 
> 
> 
>>
>>>
>>> sounds familiar...
>>>
>>>
>>> and field equations are used on surfaces to solve problems, they 
>>> exist within the boundry cut upon the surface, no need for the field 
>>> else where.
>>
>> Boundary conditions are for fixing a value of a function (or a 
>> derivative of the function) at a particular place, and it does not 
>> necessarily imply that there is no field past that boundary, nor that 
>> it is uninteresting.
> 
> well, it is used to compute loop integrals, line integrals, and many of 
> those are not dependent upon the position or shape of line or cut or 
> path, Greens Theorem, .... and a few others I forgot, stokes theorem 
> very powerful math.
> 
> 


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#648225

FromLofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com>
Date2017-09-01 18:44 -0500
Message-ID<o5sjqct6a4a0mdk60mtcah2vqgg4e90t6r@4ax.com>
In reply to#648038
On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 13:26:27 -0500, Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
wrote:

> ... The wave does not have to extend over all space, but the field
> does, BY DEFINITION.

Sort of.  For the strong nuclear force, the value of the field is zero
throughout most of the universe.

-- 
Goat

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#648252

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-09-02 02:42 +0000
Message-ID<ood5qs$1sqn$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#648225
Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 13:26:27 -0500, Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> ... The wave does not have to extend over all space, but the field
>> does, BY DEFINITION.
> 
> Sort of.  For the strong nuclear force, the value of the field is zero
> throughout most of the universe.
> 

No, not zero, but dang small. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#647662

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-08-28 18:32 -0400
Message-ID<59a499e9$0$13159$c3e8da3$cc4fe22d@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#647647
On 8/28/2017 5:15 PM, Serg io wrote:
> On 8/28/2017 1:30 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 8/28/17 12:08 PM, Serg io wrote:
>>> On 8/28/2017 10:29 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 8/28/17 9:51 AM, john wrote:
>>>>> Odd
>>>>> "
>>>>> Fields aren't "given off". A field by definition extends everywhere 
>>>>> for
>>>>> all time. A field is not something that radiates out into a place 
>>>>> where
>>>>> there was no field before. It's already there and has already been 
>>>>> there "
>>>>>
>>>>> Well SHIT.
>>>>> What are we building microwave towers for?
>>>>> Tell the boys we don't have to- fields already there!!
>>>>>
> 
>>>> I think if you'll look more carefully, John, you'll probably see 
>>>> that the description of microwave towers may talk about radiation of 
>>>> SIGNALS, not of fields. 
>>>
>>> Microwave tower - its radiation of an EM wave.   do a cross section 
>>> of your EM and you have two dynamic fields  one E andone M.
>>>
>>>
>>>> And quite possibly, the idea of those signals being fields and so 
>>>> fields are what have been radiated, is an idea that you made up 
>>>> completely in your own head.
>>>
>>> a field is typically a vector field, an array of points (2D or 3D) w 
>>> vectors at each point.
>>>
>>> a field,  vector field is a mathematical construct.  Microwave towers 
>>> emit EM waves, not 'fields".
>>>
>>
>> The field extends everywhere, all the time. The waves are disturbances 
>> in that field.
>>
> 
> take a flashlight, turn it on, is the light, an EM wave emitted, only a 
> disturbance in some sort of field ?
> 
> sounds familiar...
> 
> 
> and field equations are used on surfaces to solve problems, they exist 
> within the boundry cut upon the surface, no need for the field else where.
> 
> 
Sergio please allow me to introduce you to "OddThink".

You see outside the medium there there are no waves, but waves need no 
medium to exist. Thus, the field exists everywhere to infinity because 
the waves also exist there. Of course their values are all zero, but 
does NOT mean that they don't exist. Got it?

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#647695

FromSerg io <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-08-28 21:59 -0500
Message-ID<oo2lbe$3dk$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#647662
On 8/28/2017 5:32 PM, benj wrote:
> On 8/28/2017 5:15 PM, Serg io wrote:
>> On 8/28/2017 1:30 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> On 8/28/17 12:08 PM, Serg io wrote:
>>>> On 8/28/2017 10:29 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>> On 8/28/17 9:51 AM, john wrote:
>>>>>> Odd
>>>>>> "
>>>>>> Fields aren't "given off". A field by definition extends 
>>>>>> everywhere for
>>>>>> all time. A field is not something that radiates out into a place 
>>>>>> where
>>>>>> there was no field before. It's already there and has already been 
>>>>>> there "
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well SHIT.
>>>>>> What are we building microwave towers for?
>>>>>> Tell the boys we don't have to- fields already there!!
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I think if you'll look more carefully, John, you'll probably see 
>>>>> that the description of microwave towers may talk about radiation 
>>>>> of SIGNALS, not of fields. 
>>>>
>>>> Microwave tower - its radiation of an EM wave.   do a cross section 
>>>> of your EM and you have two dynamic fields  one E andone M.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And quite possibly, the idea of those signals being fields and so 
>>>>> fields are what have been radiated, is an idea that you made up 
>>>>> completely in your own head.
>>>>
>>>> a field is typically a vector field, an array of points (2D or 3D) w 
>>>> vectors at each point.
>>>>
>>>> a field,  vector field is a mathematical construct.  Microwave 
>>>> towers emit EM waves, not 'fields".
>>>>
>>>
>>> The field extends everywhere, all the time. The waves are 
>>> disturbances in that field.
>>>
>>
>> take a flashlight, turn it on, is the light, an EM wave emitted, only 
>> a disturbance in some sort of field ?
>>
>> sounds familiar...
>>
>>
>> and field equations are used on surfaces to solve problems, they exist 
>> within the boundry cut upon the surface, no need for the field else 
>> where.
>>
>>
> Sergio please allow me to introduce you to "OddThink".
> 
> You see outside the medium there there are no waves, but waves need no 
> medium to exist. Thus, the field exists everywhere to infinity because 
> the waves also exist there. Of course their values are all zero, but 
> does NOT mean that they don't exist. Got it?

thank you!  I finally figgured that out, and invented my new  "Field of 
Roads", where ever there is a road, put a 1, if not put a 0, and extend 
that "Field Of Roads" [FOR] in all directions, to infinity.

So we have an infinite 3D "Field Of Roads" where ever there is a 
disturbance, there is a road. Look at the money we can save, simply by 
causing a disturbance in [FOR] instead of hiring pesky contractors. (you 
can expand the type of road with different numbers, 1 dirt, 2 asphault, 
3 cement, 4 shell, 5 rock unscreened, 6 #10 rock screened, etc...)

Next invention, "Field of Kippers" [FOK], doing a marking survey now. 
Just don't know how to cause a disturbance in the FOK yet, but 
disturbances have to be there, as there are lots of kippers around. 
[not around here so much, except dead ones packed 2 layer in tomato 
sauce in the tin cans at the grocery store on the shelf, you know the 
ones with dust on top of them marked $1.00
https://www.walmart.com/search/?cat_id=0&page=1&query=kippers&typeahead=kippers#searchProductResult 
  ] Kippers only cause a disturbance in FOK.


I am renaming "Flashlight" to "EM Optical Band Disturberrator Device" 
[EMOBDD]


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#647736

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-29 06:26 -0700
Message-ID<76f09b6e-bf70-4b4a-9ae0-d4db4bfd2625@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#647695
Sir Geo
"...you 
can expand the type of road with different numbers, 1 dirt, 2 asphault, 
3 cement, 4 shell, 5 rock unscreened, 6 #10 rock screened, etc...) ...

Exactly!!
Use Odd's quantum ripples!!!
Just make the ripple right there either rocky, or cement-y!!
Wow!!
And I was dissing the mullahs' djinns!  :(

Odd! Your theory is getting so third-world!!!

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#647737

FromSerg io <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-08-29 08:46 -0500
Message-ID<oo3r8s$1sr9$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#647736
On 8/29/2017 8:26 AM, john wrote:
> Sir Geo
> "...you
> can expand the type of road with different numbers, 1 dirt, 2 asphault,
> 3 cement, 4 shell, 5 rock unscreened, 6 #10 rock screened, etc...) ...
> 
> Exactly!!
> Use Odd's quantum ripples!!!
> Just make the ripple right there either rocky, or cement-y!!
> Wow!!
> And I was dissing the mullahs' djinns!  :(
> 
> Odd! Your theory is getting so third-world!!!
> 


Another theory, I'm not sure about, is that Minecraft actually specifies 
the entire universe, it is only when we enter/build things on Minecraft 
one can see that part of it on the screen, and the everyday objects in 
life are very detailed Minecraft things someone else already built.

Is the Universe already digitized ?

Is Microsoft, owners of Minecraft making illegal $$ by renting out parts 
of the Universe ?  Does each point in the universe have an IP ?

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#647776

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-08-29 16:40 -0400
Message-ID<59a5d156$0$54205$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#647737
On 8/29/2017 9:46 AM, Serg io wrote:
> On 8/29/2017 8:26 AM, john wrote:
>> Sir Geo
>> "...you
>> can expand the type of road with different numbers, 1 dirt, 2 asphault,
>> 3 cement, 4 shell, 5 rock unscreened, 6 #10 rock screened, etc...) ...
>>
>> Exactly!!
>> Use Odd's quantum ripples!!!
>> Just make the ripple right there either rocky, or cement-y!!
>> Wow!!
>> And I was dissing the mullahs' djinns!  :(
>>
>> Odd! Your theory is getting so third-world!!!
>>
> 
> 
> Another theory, I'm not sure about, is that Minecraft actually specifies 
> the entire universe, it is only when we enter/build things on Minecraft 
> one can see that part of it on the screen, and the everyday objects in 
> life are very detailed Minecraft things someone else already built.
> 
> Is the Universe already digitized ?
> 
> Is Microsoft, owners of Minecraft making illegal $$ by renting out parts 
> of the Universe ?  Does each point in the universe have an IP ?
> 
> 
Right idea, Sergio, but Universe does not have "points" because they are 
fantasy and don't exist. However each, um, location does have an IP. For 
more information ask one of our Third Worlders about "akashic records".

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#647775

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-08-29 16:35 -0400
Message-ID<59a5d01f$0$13165$c3e8da3$cc4fe22d@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#647695
On 8/28/2017 10:59 PM, Serg io wrote:
> On 8/28/2017 5:32 PM, benj wrote:
>> On 8/28/2017 5:15 PM, Serg io wrote:
>>> On 8/28/2017 1:30 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 8/28/17 12:08 PM, Serg io wrote:
>>>>> On 8/28/2017 10:29 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/28/17 9:51 AM, john wrote:
>>>>>>> Odd
>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>> Fields aren't "given off". A field by definition extends 
>>>>>>> everywhere for
>>>>>>> all time. A field is not something that radiates out into a place 
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> there was no field before. It's already there and has already 
>>>>>>> been there "
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well SHIT.
>>>>>>> What are we building microwave towers for?
>>>>>>> Tell the boys we don't have to- fields already there!!
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> I think if you'll look more carefully, John, you'll probably see 
>>>>>> that the description of microwave towers may talk about radiation 
>>>>>> of SIGNALS, not of fields. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Microwave tower - its radiation of an EM wave.   do a cross section 
>>>>> of your EM and you have two dynamic fields  one E andone M.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> And quite possibly, the idea of those signals being fields and so 
>>>>>> fields are what have been radiated, is an idea that you made up 
>>>>>> completely in your own head.
>>>>>
>>>>> a field is typically a vector field, an array of points (2D or 3D) 
>>>>> w vectors at each point.
>>>>>
>>>>> a field,  vector field is a mathematical construct.  Microwave 
>>>>> towers emit EM waves, not 'fields".
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The field extends everywhere, all the time. The waves are 
>>>> disturbances in that field.
>>>>
>>>
>>> take a flashlight, turn it on, is the light, an EM wave emitted, only 
>>> a disturbance in some sort of field ?
>>>
>>> sounds familiar...
>>>
>>>
>>> and field equations are used on surfaces to solve problems, they 
>>> exist within the boundry cut upon the surface, no need for the field 
>>> else where.
>>>
>>>
>> Sergio please allow me to introduce you to "OddThink".
>>
>> You see outside the medium there there are no waves, but waves need no 
>> medium to exist. Thus, the field exists everywhere to infinity because 
>> the waves also exist there. Of course their values are all zero, but 
>> does NOT mean that they don't exist. Got it?
> 
> thank you!  I finally figgured that out, and invented my new  "Field of 
> Roads", where ever there is a road, put a 1, if not put a 0, and extend 
> that "Field Of Roads" [FOR] in all directions, to infinity.
> 
> So we have an infinite 3D "Field Of Roads" where ever there is a 
> disturbance, there is a road. Look at the money we can save, simply by 
> causing a disturbance in [FOR] instead of hiring pesky contractors. (you 
> can expand the type of road with different numbers, 1 dirt, 2 asphault, 
> 3 cement, 4 shell, 5 rock unscreened, 6 #10 rock screened, etc...)
> 
> Next invention, "Field of Kippers" [FOK], doing a marking survey now. 
> Just don't know how to cause a disturbance in the FOK yet, but 
> disturbances have to be there, as there are lots of kippers around. [not 
> around here so much, except dead ones packed 2 layer in tomato sauce in 
> the tin cans at the grocery store on the shelf, you know the ones with 
> dust on top of them marked $1.00
> https://www.walmart.com/search/?cat_id=0&page=1&query=kippers&typeahead=kippers#searchProductResult 
>   ] Kippers only cause a disturbance in FOK.
> 
> 
> I am renaming "Flashlight" to "EM Optical Band Disturberrator Device" 
> [EMOBDD]
> 
> 
> 
I smell Nobel! Maybe two!

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#647777

FromSerg io <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-08-29 15:53 -0500
Message-ID<oo4k8v$17t1$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#647775
On 8/29/2017 3:35 PM, benj wrote:
> On 8/28/2017 10:59 PM, Serg io wrote:
>> On 8/28/2017 5:32 PM, benj wrote:
>>> On 8/28/2017 5:15 PM, Serg io wrote:
>>>> On 8/28/2017 1:30 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>> On 8/28/17 12:08 PM, Serg io wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/28/2017 10:29 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/28/17 9:51 AM, john wrote:
>>>>>>>> Odd
>>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>>> Fields aren't "given off". A field by definition extends 
>>>>>>>> everywhere for
>>>>>>>> all time. A field is not something that radiates out into a 
>>>>>>>> place where
>>>>>>>> there was no field before. It's already there and has already 
>>>>>>>> been there "
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well SHIT.
>>>>>>>> What are we building microwave towers for?
>>>>>>>> Tell the boys we don't have to- fields already there!!
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I think if you'll look more carefully, John, you'll probably see 
>>>>>>> that the description of microwave towers may talk about radiation 
>>>>>>> of SIGNALS, not of fields. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Microwave tower - its radiation of an EM wave.   do a cross 
>>>>>> section of your EM and you have two dynamic fields  one E andone M.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And quite possibly, the idea of those signals being fields and so 
>>>>>>> fields are what have been radiated, is an idea that you made up 
>>>>>>> completely in your own head.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a field is typically a vector field, an array of points (2D or 3D) 
>>>>>> w vectors at each point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a field,  vector field is a mathematical construct.  Microwave 
>>>>>> towers emit EM waves, not 'fields".
>>>>>>

>>>>> The field extends everywhere, all the time. The waves are 
>>>>> disturbances in that field.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> take a flashlight, turn it on, is the light, an EM wave emitted, 
>>>> only a disturbance in some sort of field ?
>>>>
>>>> sounds familiar...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> and field equations are used on surfaces to solve problems, they 
>>>> exist within the boundry cut upon the surface, no need for the field 
>>>> else where.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Sergio please allow me to introduce you to "OddThink".
>>>
>>> You see outside the medium there there are no waves, but waves need 
>>> no medium to exist. Thus, the field exists everywhere to infinity 
>>> because the waves also exist there. Of course their values are all 
>>> zero, but does NOT mean that they don't exist. Got it?
>>
>> thank you!  I finally figgured that out, and invented my new  "Field 
>> of Roads", where ever there is a road, put a 1, if not put a 0, and 
>> extend that "Field Of Roads" [FOR] in all directions, to infinity.

>> So we have an infinite 3D "Field Of Roads" where ever there is a 
>> disturbance, there is a road. Look at the money we can save, simply by 
>> causing a disturbance in [FOR] instead of hiring pesky contractors. 
>> (you can expand the type of road with different numbers, 1 dirt, 2 
>> asphault, 3 cement, 4 shell, 5 rock unscreened, 6 #10 rock screened, 
>> etc...)
>>
>> Next invention, "Field of Kippers" [FOK], doing a marking survey now. 
>> Just don't know how to cause a disturbance in the FOK yet, but 
>> disturbances have to be there, as there are lots of kippers around. 
>> [not around here so much, except dead ones packed 2 layer in tomato 
>> sauce in the tin cans at the grocery store on the shelf, you know the 
>> ones with dust on top of them marked $1.00
>> https://www.walmart.com/search/?cat_id=0&page=1&query=kippers&typeahead=kippers#searchProductResult 
>>   ] Kippers only cause a disturbance in FOK.
>>
>>
>> I am renaming "Flashlight" to "EM Optical Band Disturberrator Device" 
>> [EMOBDD]
>>
>>
>>
> I smell Nobel! Maybe two!


I will get a "Fields" Metal !

[nobody is buying the Field OF Kippers [FOK] thing, they say (well one 
Jewish dude in NYC at a Deli on the corner) said they already have GPS 
to track the Kippers, but NOBODY in their RIGHT MIND wants to track a 
flipping Kipper using fields, he was very loud on the phone about it. 
meh, what does he know anyway...]

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#647658

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-08-28 17:34 -0400
Message-ID<59a48c8b$0$54149$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#647593
On 8/28/2017 2:30 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 8/28/17 12:08 PM, Serg io wrote:
>> On 8/28/2017 10:29 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> On 8/28/17 9:51 AM, john wrote:
>>>> Odd
>>>> "
>>>> Fields aren't "given off". A field by definition extends everywhere for
>>>> all time. A field is not something that radiates out into a place where
>>>> there was no field before. It's already there and has already been 
>>>> there "
>>>>
>>>> Well SHIT.
>>>> What are we building microwave towers for?
>>>> Tell the boys we don't have to- fields already there!!
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think if you'll look more carefully, John, you'll probably see that 
>>> the description of microwave towers may talk about radiation of 
>>> SIGNALS, not of fields. 
>>
>> Microwave tower - its radiation of an EM wave.   do a cross section of 
>> your EM and you have two dynamic fields  one E andone M.
>>
>>
>>> And quite possibly, the idea of those signals being fields and so 
>>> fields are what have been radiated, is an idea that you made up 
>>> completely in your own head.
>>
>> a field is typically a vector field, an array of points (2D or 3D) w 
>> vectors at each point.
>>
>> a field,  vector field is a mathematical construct.  Microwave towers 
>> emit EM waves, not 'fields".
>>
> 
> The field extends everywhere, all the time. The waves are disturbances 
> in that field.
> 
Moronic ignorant statement. Odd, have you been attending Banjo's 
lectures on genius science? Fields are your fantasies that describe the 
action of disturbances in some medium. Idiot.

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#647639

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-08-28 16:46 -0400
Message-ID<59a4814d$0$18130$c3e8da3$a9097924@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#647564
On 8/28/2017 11:29 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 8/28/17 9:51 AM, john wrote:
>> Odd
>> "
>> Fields aren't "given off". A field by definition extends everywhere for
>> all time. A field is not something that radiates out into a place where
>> there was no field before. It's already there and has already been 
>> there "
>>
>> Well SHIT.
>> What are we building microwave towers for?
>> Tell the boys we don't have to- fields already there!!
>>
> 
> I think if you'll look more carefully, John, you'll probably see that 
> the description of microwave towers may talk about radiation of SIGNALS, 
> not of fields. And quite possibly, the idea of those signals being 
> fields and so fields are what have been radiated, is an idea that you 
> made up completely in your own head.
> 
> In the absence of information, people tend to make shit up.
> 
In the absence of intelligence and thinking Odd tends to drift off into 
his fantasies.

Odd, a FIELD is a mathematical model of actions in the real world. In 
the case of Microwave towers, these fields are FORCE FIELDS describing 
the SIGNALS that have been radiated. I know this makes no sense to your 
woodworking brain.

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#648014

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-31 16:03 +0000
Message-ID<oo9c19$dtg$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#647639
benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 8/28/2017 11:29 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 8/28/17 9:51 AM, john wrote:
>>> Odd
>>> "
>>> Fields aren't "given off". A field by definition extends everywhere for
>>> all time. A field is not something that radiates out into a place where
>>> there was no field before. It's already there and has already been 
>>> there "
>>> 
>>> Well SHIT.
>>> What are we building microwave towers for?
>>> Tell the boys we don't have to- fields already there!!
>>> 
>> 
>> I think if you'll look more carefully, John, you'll probably see that 
>> the description of microwave towers may talk about radiation of SIGNALS, 
>> not of fields. And quite possibly, the idea of those signals being 
>> fields and so fields are what have been radiated, is an idea that you 
>> made up completely in your own head.
>> 
>> In the absence of information, people tend to make shit up.
>> 
> In the absence of intelligence and thinking Odd tends to drift off into 
> his fantasies.
> 
> Odd, a FIELD is a mathematical model of actions in the real world. 

No, Ben, it isn't. You trying to make it so by fiat is pointless. 

> In 
> the case of Microwave towers, these fields are FORCE FIELDS describing 
> the SIGNALS that have been radiated. I know this makes no sense to your 
> woodworking brain.
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#648019

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-31 09:27 -0700
Message-ID<9a356cab-d1d2-4fbe-86f8-fa217207de22@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#648014
Odd
"(benj)
> 
> Odd, a FIELD is a mathematical model of actions in the real world. 

No, Ben, it isn't. You trying to make it so by fiat is pointless. 
_____
Yes, it is.
A field is not an entity, it is the effect of actions by entities. The reason QMers are trying to FUDGE Science into oblivion is because their model has not a sniff as to what those actions ARE, because it has not a sniff about UNDERLYING STRUCTURE and processes that make entities, and they know it.

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#648041

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-31 13:37 -0500
Message-ID<oo9l0s$srs$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#648019
On 8/31/17 11:27 AM, john wrote:
> Odd
> "(benj)
>>
>> Odd, a FIELD is a mathematical model of actions in the real world.
> 
> No, Ben, it isn't. You trying to make it so by fiat is pointless.
> _____
> Yes, it is.

No, John, it's not. Try reading a little.

> A field is not an entity, it is the effect of actions by entities. 

No, John, fields are real, and you don't have a single reason to say 
they are not.

> The reason QMers are trying to FUDGE Science into oblivion is because their model has not a sniff as to what those actions ARE, because it has not a sniff about UNDERLYING STRUCTURE and processes that make entities, and they know it.
> 


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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