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For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not.

Started byOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
First post2017-08-18 14:54 -0500
Last post2017-08-26 01:53 +0000
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  For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 14:54 -0500
    Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 13:01 -0700
      Re: Black Holes violate the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-18 20:26 -0500
        Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 23:07 -0700
          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 03:26 -0400
            Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 06:05 -0700
            Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-21 09:26 -0500
              Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-21 09:34 -0500
          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 08:18 -0500
            Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 06:53 -0700
              Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 15:50 -0500
                Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 14:50 -0700
                  Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-21 15:39 -0700
                Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 15:50 -0700
                  Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 15:59 -0700
                  Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 23:42 +0000
                    Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 17:16 -0700
                      Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 18:04 -0700
                        Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-22 02:24 +0000
                      Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 01:18 +0000
                        Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 19:09 -0700
                          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-22 02:39 +0000
                            Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 20:00 -0700
                              Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 20:40 -0700
                                Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 20:49 -0700
                                  Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-22 13:49 +0000
                                    Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 14:58 -0700
                                      Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 23:35 +0000
                                        Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 17:06 -0700
                                          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-23 00:43 +0000
                                            Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 18:03 -0700
                                          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 01:34 +0000
                                            Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 19:32 -0700
                                              Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 19:50 -0700
                                              Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 09:02 -0500
                                                Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 13:20 -0700
                                                  Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 16:38 -0500
                                              Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 13:46 -0700
                                                Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 13:54 -0700
                                                  Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 14:38 -0700
                                                    Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 15:32 -0700
                                                      Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 15:54 -0700
                                                        Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 10:24 -0500
                                                          Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 09:10 -0700
                                                            Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-24 17:09 +0000
                                                            Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 12:14 -0500
                                                              Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 11:41 -0700
                                                                Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 15:05 -0700
                                                                  Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 22:10 +0000
                                                                Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 22:07 +0000
                                                                  Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 08:31 -0700
                                                  Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 16:39 -0500
                                Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-22 13:47 +0000
                              Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-22 13:53 +0000
                                Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 07:51 -0700
                                  Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-22 15:35 +0000
                          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 08:25 -0500
                        Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-22 17:58 -0400
                    Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 21:05 -0400
                      Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 01:18 +0000
                        Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-22 18:00 -0400
                          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 23:35 +0000
              Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 02:34 -0700
                Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 13:51 -0700
        Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 23:15 -0700
          Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 23:22 -0700
          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 11:16 +0000
            Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. NobelPrize.ORG  @. - 2017-08-19 07:45 -0700
              Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 08:32 -0700
                Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-19 17:46 +0000
                  Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-19 14:08 -0500
                    Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 17:20 -0700
                      Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 00:34 +0000
                        Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 00:36 +0000
                      Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-20 01:33 +0000
                        Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-19 21:04 -0700
                        Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 10:07 -0700
                          Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 10:57 -0700
                            Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-20 11:17 -0700
                            Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-20 11:19 -0700
                          Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 11:00 -0700
                            Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-20 18:29 +0000
                          Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-20 18:26 +0000
                            Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 11:58 -0700
                              Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-21 16:39 +0000
                                Black Holes are math kook babble john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 11:46 -0700
                                  Re: Retarded precessing spinny things are kook babble moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-21 20:07 +0000
                            Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 15:09 -0500
                              Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 14:13 -0700
                        Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-20 18:07 -0500
                          Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 16:31 -0700
                            Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-21 08:33 -0500
                              Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 07:00 -0700
              Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2017-08-19 12:45 -0400
                Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-08-21 07:04 -0500
        Re: Black Holes violate the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-21 18:00 -0500
          Re: More data, from more observers, is needed. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-23 10:41 -0500
            Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 11:55 -0700
              Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-24 00:03 -0700
            Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-23 21:26 +0000
              Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 14:32 -0700
                Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 16:48 -0500
                Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-23 22:12 +0000
              Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 16:46 -0500
              Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-23 23:01 +0000
                Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-08-24 10:14 +0100
                  Re: A TRUE singularity has infinite precision, not +/- 45 AU. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-24 17:04 +0000
                    Re: There is no evidence that TRUE black holes exist, none. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-24 15:40 -0700
                      Re: There is no evidence that TRUE black holes exist, none. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 20:04 +0200
                      Re: Slowing lased photons to near ZERO meters/second. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 20:05 +0200
                        Re: Starting/Stopping light. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 21:45 +0200
                          Posting an email address to Usenet is just wrong. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-08-25 17:55 -0700
                            Re: Posting an email address to Usenet is just wrong. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-26 03:23 +0200
                              Give it your best shot, Thomas Lahn. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-08-25 19:08 -0700
                                Re: Give it your best shot, ****** ****. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-26 14:15 +0200
                                  Thomas Lahn would ban URL's. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-08-26 13:36 -0700
                                    Re: ****** **** would ban URL's. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-27 01:46 +0200
                                    Re: Thomas Lahn's GoogleGroups Spam Remover. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-08-28 15:55 -0700
                                      Google Groups spam filter (was: Thomas Lahn's GoogleGroups Spam Remover.) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-31 18:04 +0200
                          If this Wikipedia article is wrong, please fix it. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-08-25 18:39 -0700
                            Slow light (was: If this Wikipedia article is wrong, please fix it.) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-26 03:55 +0200
                              Viewed from earth, everything near an ideal event horizon appears frozen. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-08-25 19:47 -0700
                            Re: If this Wikipedia article is wrong, please fix it. benj <nobody@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-26 01:52 -0400
                          Re: kNode hasn't heard of MIME/HTML ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-26 03:47 +0200
                            The DEFAULT "Subject:" line is NEITHER mandatory or desirable. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-08-25 19:29 -0700
                              Re: The DEFAULT "Subject:" line is NEITHER mandatory or desirable. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-26 15:36 +0000
                                Usenet isn't Wikipedia; threads branch and morph, topics change. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-08-26 11:56 -0700
                                  Re: Usenet isn't Wikipedia; threads branch and morph, topics change. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-27 04:31 +0000
                    Re: There is no evidence that TRUE black holes exist, none. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-25 12:28 -0700
                      Re: There is no evidence that TRUE black holes exist, none. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 12:44 -0700
                  Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 14:34 +0200
                    Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 06:22 -0700
                      Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 16:14 +0200
                      Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 07:18 -0700
                        Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 07:49 -0700
                        Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 18:25 +0200
                        Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 10:44 -0700
                        Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 13:05 -0500
                      Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-25 16:09 +0000
                    Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-25 15:37 +0000
                      Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 08:51 -0700
                        Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 13:01 -0500
                      Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 19:22 +0200
                        Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-25 18:48 +0000
                          Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 12:22 -0700
                          Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 12:25 -0700
                          Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 21:27 +0200
                            Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-25 21:54 +0000
                              Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-26 03:01 +0200
                                Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-26 03:31 +0000
                    Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 21:52 +0200
        Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2017-09-04 14:34 -0400
          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Ethel Ocallaghan <unlgclo@awlwaac.ag> - 2017-09-05 11:40 +0000
          Re: "Black Holes" are forever a notion, never measured. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 14:04 +0000
      Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-19 00:00 -0700
        Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 08:18 -0500
      Re: Black Holes violate the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-20 16:01 -0700
      Re: Black Holes violate the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. pcardinale@volcanomail.com - 2017-08-21 12:54 -0700
    For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 14:44 -0700
      Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 22:15 +0000
    Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 15:26 -0700
      Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-18 18:54 -0700
    Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 21:06 -0500
    Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 10:25 -0700
      Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-25 10:55 -0700
      Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-25 14:17 -0700
        Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-25 15:27 -0700
          Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-25 15:37 -0700
            Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-25 15:50 -0700
    For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 16:29 -0700
      For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 17:03 -0700
        Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-26 01:53 +0000
      Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-26 01:53 +0000

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#646806 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-21 19:09 -0700
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<f04ea667-b25c-4f81-aa1f-2dad96707404@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646802
Odd
"First off all, you have not established ANY repeating pattern with layers 
or iterations or fractal dimensions or whatever. So suppose you just lay 
out in a LIST the milestone objects that you think demonstrate a repeating 
pattern. "
The iterations are galaxy- atom - subatom.
Each shoots off its own radiations.
Galaxy shoots quasars (redshifted because they are speeding).
Atom shoots photons.
Subatom shoots subphotons.

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#646810 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-08-22 02:39 +0000
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<ong5g6$til$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#646806
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> tarded:

>Odd
>"First off all, you have not established ANY repeating pattern with layers 
>or iterations or fractal dimensions or whatever. So suppose you just lay 
>out in a LIST the milestone objects that you think demonstrate a repeating 
>pattern. "
>The iterations are galaxy- atom - subatom.
>Each shoots off its own radiations.
>Galaxy shoots quasars (redshifted because they are speeding).

You really don't even know what quasars are?

Hint: Galaxies don't 'shoot' quasars. Quasars are extremely bright objects
at the center of some galaxies. They are believed to be accretion disks
around supermassive black holes at the center of the galaxies.

They 'shoot' ordinary photons (but lots and lots of them).

>Atom shoots photons.

>Subatom shoots subphotons.

No evidence of that, of course.

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#646813 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-21 20:00 -0700
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<41cb2f1b-9e15-4bce-b650-cc38ea5b34fd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646810
Odd
"
at the center of some galaxies. They are believed to be accretion disks 
around supermassive black holes at the center of the galaxies. 

They 'shoot' ordinary photons (but lots and lots of them). 

>Atom shoots photons. 

>Subatom shoots subphotons. 

No evidence of that, of course. "

Halton Arp saw pairs of Quasars that HAD BEEN the accretion discs travelling away from their parent galaxy in exactly opposite directions (entangled photons) at .11c
Read some Arp- open your eyes

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#646814 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-21 20:40 -0700
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<c9f2efca-2508-4ebf-abd7-a34081e5fc3f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646813
MM
Sorry, called you Odd.
Okay, at each iteration, in your starship made of that gauge matter, you look up and see galaxies stretching away forever, and you could go on forever and it would still be that size of everything. The Black Hole is where there is NO MATTER of your gauge because the gauge below is in a vortex, and any matter that falls in gets shredded and shot back out. It's a HOLE in our reality, though, so the name is good. But the gauge below matter is "aether", and photons are waves in that aether, so when they encounter the vortex, they are sucked in.

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#646815 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-21 20:49 -0700
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<63ff58ec-9c9e-48ff-a00d-28e4861e9aa0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646814
MM/Odd
This spinning volume of Space should be able to absorb the radiations of that matter produced by that Space, and thus appear to be an absorbing body, when in fact there is nothing there but spinning Space.

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#646832 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-08-22 13:49 +0000
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<onhcps$iel$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#646815
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM/Odd
>This spinning volume of Space should be able to absorb the radiations of 
>that matter produced by that Space, and thus appear to be an absorbing 
>body, when in fact there is nothing there but spinning Space.

Kook Babble.  And how can there be spin if you explicitly state that there
is no matter in there to spin?

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#646869 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-22 14:58 -0700
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<a5b39e88-73cb-43f6-91eb-cadb7d559fb2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646832
MM
"- show quoted text -
Kook Babble.  And how can there be spin if you explicitly state that there 
is no matter in there to spin? 
"
None of OUR iteration of matter.
There is only that smaller matter that matter is built from- the submatter/aether. There is none of OUR matter, but wouldn't you agree, Michael, there is no such thing as nothing. Everywhere there must be structure at some level. 

When the next smaller matter/aether spins, it can go much faster than our matter. When our matter gets in, it turns into jets of HEPs.

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#646879 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-22 23:35 +0000
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<onif3v$1jav$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#646869
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> "- show quoted text -
> Kook Babble.  And how can there be spin if you explicitly state that there 
> is no matter in there to spin? 
> "
> None of OUR iteration of matter.
> There is only that smaller matter that matter is built from- the
> submatter/aether. There is none of OUR matter, but wouldn't you agree,
> Michael, there is no such thing as nothing. Everywhere there must be
> structure at some level. 
> 
> When the next smaller matter/aether spins, it can go much faster than our
> matter. When our matter gets in, it turns into jets of HEPs.
> 

WHAT "iteration"? You have no established pattern of anything!

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#646885 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-22 17:06 -0700
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<37fee5f6-d4b6-4450-94d0-d423896c5618@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646879
Odd
"WHAT "iteration"? You have no established pattern of anything! "

It's called "The Galaxy Model for the Atom".
It says that when you bring galaxies and atoms to the same size, they are equal.
So, if galaxies are atoms, then atoms are galaxies, and are composed of yet another iteration of matter. This subatomic Space is the aether. Photons make waves in it. BHs are vortices in it.

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#646887 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-08-23 00:43 +0000
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<onij3q$rmr$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#646885
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>"WHAT "iteration"? You have no established pattern of anything! "

>It's called "The Galaxy Model for the Atom".

Which, as you have demonstrated, has no basis in reality. No pattern
of anything for "iteration".

>It says that when you bring galaxies and atoms to the same size,

They are not the same size at all.

> they are equal.
>So, if galaxies are atoms,

They are not.

> then atoms are galaxies,

They are not.

> and are composed of yet another iteration of matter. This subatomic
>Space is the aether. Photons make waves in it. BHs are vortices in it.

Kook babble.

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#646890 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-22 18:03 -0700
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<3406024f-5a22-4ef9-adf2-31541b710a8e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646887
MM
"
>It says that when you bring galaxies and atoms to the same size, 

They are not the same size at all. "

Uh, okay Michael. Anyone else notice that Odd and Michael seem to have become almost demented in their stupidity?

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#646896 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-23 01:34 +0000
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<onim2i$1r6i$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#646885
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> "WHAT "iteration"? You have no established pattern of anything! "
> 
> It's called "The Galaxy Model for the Atom".
> It says that when you bring galaxies and atoms to the same size, they are equal.
> So, if galaxies are atoms, then atoms are galaxies, and are composed of
> yet another iteration of matter. This subatomic Space is the aether.
> Photons make waves in it. BHs are vortices in it.
> 

Let me repeat: two points do not establish a pattern. You have no pattern
in OBSERVED things established. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#646903 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-22 19:32 -0700
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<57ac3f1e-48d9-41f2-9fdd-8b5ee27e80c7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646896
Odd
"Let me repeat: two points do not establish a pattern. You have no pattern 
in OBSERVED things established. "

When 'fundamental ' particles were proposed and installed in Standard Model, wasn't that the whole hypothesis?
That it's a one and only?
The hypothesis, here, is an equality of galaxies with atoms OUTSIDE of size and time differences. Matter is a RECURRING  pattern like Russian Dolls. Galaxy. Model. for. the. Atom.

Repeat all you want. Galaxy Model gives a framework to work with. Standard Model has no pattern. They try - eightfold way symmetry and such. But it's useless to go past bean counting.

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#646905 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-22 19:50 -0700
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<788fcaaf-75a9-44b9-b5cd-21ac961cfe32@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646903
A Black Hole is a spinning vortex in the aether that doesn't allow any of our atoms to exist in that space. The aether is structured from a much smaller version of our matter, and can turn far faster than our charge-based atoms can take, so when our atoms fall in they shred and are blown away as jets.

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#646922 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-23 09:02 -0500
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<onk1t4$1pi1$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#646903
On 8/22/17 9:32 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
> "Let me repeat: two points do not establish a pattern. You have no pattern
> in OBSERVED things established. "
> 
> When 'fundamental ' particles were proposed and installed in Standard Model, wasn't that the whole hypothesis?
> That it's a one and only?

There is no hypothesis of fractal "layers" or self-similarity with the 
standard model. None.

You have a hypothesis of an infinite number of "layers" or "iterations" 
or whatever, but you do not even have an observable pattern that 
exhibits any of that. Two points do not make a pattern. A mouse and an 
elephant 100,000 times different in mass and both being mammals 
exhibiting four legs and a tail does not even SUGGEST that there is a 
four-legged, tailed mammal that is 100,000 times more massive than an 
elephant, or a four-legged, tailed mammal that is 100,000 times less 
massive than a mouse.

Two points do not exhibit an observed pattern. Period.

> The hypothesis, here, is an equality of galaxies with atoms OUTSIDE of size and time differences. Matter is a RECURRING  pattern like Russian Dolls. Galaxy. Model. for. the. Atom.
> 
> Repeat all you want. Galaxy Model gives a framework to work with. Standard Model has no pattern. They try - eightfold way symmetry and such. But it's useless to go past bean counting.
> 


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#646961 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-23 13:20 -0700
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<3bda2830-329e-4108-aa53-61eb45bd91c5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646922
Odd
"There is no hypothesis of fractal "layers" or self-similarity with the 
standard model. None. "

That's what I'm saying.
On the basis of zero evidence, Standard Model says the buck starts here.
I really don't understand why you would think that possible, or likely, or credible in any manner. But as you have said, you're not a logical person. I wonder why you attempt to do Science?
Odd?

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#646991 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-23 16:38 -0500
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<onkskj$167i$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#646961
On 8/23/17 3:20 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
> "There is no hypothesis of fractal "layers" or self-similarity with the
> standard model. None. "
> 
> That's what I'm saying.
> On the basis of zero evidence, Standard Model says the buck starts here.

No, the evidence consists of experiments specifically designed to see 
internal structure. The experiments do not show any indication of 
structure. So what you propose is some INVISIBLE and UNDETECTABLE 
structure that you think should be presumed regardless of the current 
evidence. This you think has something to do with "logic", but instead 
it comes from some axiom that you have adopted and have never 
questioned: That all things have structure. Notice that you have NO 
REASON for this axiom. You just believe it. Belief without reason or 
evidence is called faith.

Do not confuse logic with faith.

Notice also that you attempt to buttress this axiom by applying it 
elsewhere, claiming some fundamental fractal self-similarity, with 
layers going down ad infinitum. Notice however, you have NO EVIDENCE of 
fractal self-similarity of the composition of things, because you only 
have two points: atoms and galaxies. Two points does not establish any 
kind of observed pattern, and so there is not one reason to think that 
this principle of infinitely layered fractal structure of matter holds. 
Not one observation. Counter this with the experimental evidence for 
lack of structure.

Do you see the difference between the observation-based thinking that 
goes behind fundamental particles, and the lack of observation-based 
thinking that goes behind your infinite-layers-of-structure idea?

> I really don't understand why you would think that possible, or likely, or credible in any manner. But as you have said, you're not a logical person. I wonder why you attempt to do Science?
> Odd?
> 


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#646969 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-23 13:46 -0700
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<5ad12d2c-159d-41dd-939b-a3fee9838533@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646903
On Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 10:32:20 PM UTC-4, john wrote:
[]
> The hypothesis, here, is an equality of galaxies with atoms
> OUTSIDE of size and time differences. Matter is a RECURRING
>  pattern like Russian Dolls. Galaxy. Model. for. the. Atom.

Sorry John. I have told you before, physicists have looked at
that idea and rejected it. It has been tested and found lacking
any predictive power.
> 
> Repeat all you want. Galaxy Model gives a framework to work with.

A framework that doesn't work. Again, in peer reviewed journals,
such research is not accepted because when analyzed with real
data, it just doesn't work.

> Standard Model has no pattern. They try - eightfold way
> symmetry and such. But it's useless to go past bean counting.

The Standard Model has some very clear patterns. Your failure
to understand them does not make them invalid. And the Standard
Model has successfully predicted other particles. IOW, it works.
The similarity principle (Galaxies<==>atoms) is tested and fails.

Sorry John, but nature just doesn't seem to work the way you want.
Murphy's 5th law: Mother Nature is a B....

Enjoy.
  Ed.

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#646974 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-23 13:54 -0700
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<fe9613f4-8b92-4581-a8af-28b45838f7ff@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646969
ed
"
Sorry John. I have told you before, physicists have looked at 
that idea and rejected it. It has been tested and found lacking 
any predictive power. "
When? How? By whom.


"> 
> Repeat all you want. Galaxy Model gives a framework to work with. 

A framework that doesn't work. Again, in peer reviewed journals, 
such research is not accepted because when analyzed with real 
data, it just doesn't work. "
When? How? By whom.



"> Standard Model has no pattern. They try - eightfold way 
> symmetry and such. But it's useless to go past bean counting. 

The Standard Model has some very clear patterns. Your failure 
to understand them does not make them invalid. And the Standard 
Model has successfully predicted other particles. IOW, it works. 
"
There are countless particles when you break an atom.

"The similarity principle (Galaxies<==>atoms) is tested and fails. "

Again- when, how, by whom.?

Sorry John, but nature just doesn't seem to work the way you want. 
Murphy's 5th law: Mother Nature is a B.... 

Enjoy. 
  Ed. 

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#646990 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-23 14:38 -0700
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<eec8a7f2-53f4-4cc7-9d4f-231067b4ced8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646974
On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 4:54:50 PM UTC-4, john wrote:
> ed
> "
> Sorry John. I have told you before, physicists have looked at 
> that idea and rejected it. It has been tested and found lacking 
> any predictive power. "
> When? How? By whom.
> 
> 
> "> 
> > Repeat all you want. Galaxy Model gives a framework to work with. 
> 
> A framework that doesn't work. Again, in peer reviewed journals, 
> such research is not accepted because when analyzed with real 
> data, it just doesn't work. "
> When? How? By whom.
> 

here's one guy that wants a fractal universe similar to yours:
Robert L. Oldershaw
http://www3.amherst.edu/~rloldershaw/menu.html

I have looked at his stuff. It does not make sense.
Obviously he has not convinced his physics colleagues.
He sometimes comments on the IOP website. He does have publications
in respected peer reviewed journals.

Here is an example of where the fractal nature of space
may work, or at least hint at how we can improve our ideas.
https://phys.org/news/2009-03-spacetime-fractal-properties-quantum-scale.html

But taking the pattern to larger scales finds
the fractal pattern does not work.
https://www.space.com/17234-universe-fractal-large-scale-theory.html

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22214-giant-fractals-are-out-the-universe-is-a-big-smoothie/

Not proof that your idea about electrons is wrong, but it cuts
you off at this universe. IOW galaxies are not electrons in a
larger universe.

And unless you find a way to measure things smaller than a
Planck length, you are not going to find any evidence for
your electrons being made of smaller particles. (If the
electron does have a size, it is smaller than a Planck length.)

So there's some light reading for you. Oldershaw is your man
for this idea. If it proved correct, he gets the Nobel prize.
But I liked his idea but I find his mathematics unconvincing.
There are few if any testable predictions.

But have some fun with it.
  ed

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