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For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not.

Started byOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
First post2017-08-18 14:54 -0500
Last post2017-08-26 01:53 +0000
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  For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 14:54 -0500
    Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 13:01 -0700
      Re: Black Holes violate the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-18 20:26 -0500
        Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 23:07 -0700
          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 03:26 -0400
            Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 06:05 -0700
            Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-21 09:26 -0500
              Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-21 09:34 -0500
          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 08:18 -0500
            Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 06:53 -0700
              Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 15:50 -0500
                Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 14:50 -0700
                  Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-21 15:39 -0700
                Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 15:50 -0700
                  Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 15:59 -0700
                  Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 23:42 +0000
                    Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 17:16 -0700
                      Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 18:04 -0700
                        Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-22 02:24 +0000
                      Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 01:18 +0000
                        Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 19:09 -0700
                          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-22 02:39 +0000
                            Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 20:00 -0700
                              Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 20:40 -0700
                                Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 20:49 -0700
                                  Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-22 13:49 +0000
                                    Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 14:58 -0700
                                      Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 23:35 +0000
                                        Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 17:06 -0700
                                          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-23 00:43 +0000
                                            Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 18:03 -0700
                                          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 01:34 +0000
                                            Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 19:32 -0700
                                              Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 19:50 -0700
                                              Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 09:02 -0500
                                                Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 13:20 -0700
                                                  Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 16:38 -0500
                                              Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 13:46 -0700
                                                Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 13:54 -0700
                                                  Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 14:38 -0700
                                                    Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 15:32 -0700
                                                      Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 15:54 -0700
                                                        Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 10:24 -0500
                                                          Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 09:10 -0700
                                                            Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-24 17:09 +0000
                                                            Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 12:14 -0500
                                                              Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 11:41 -0700
                                                                Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 15:05 -0700
                                                                  Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 22:10 +0000
                                                                Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 22:07 +0000
                                                                  Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 08:31 -0700
                                                  Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 16:39 -0500
                                Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-22 13:47 +0000
                              Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-22 13:53 +0000
                                Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 07:51 -0700
                                  Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-22 15:35 +0000
                          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 08:25 -0500
                        Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-22 17:58 -0400
                    Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 21:05 -0400
                      Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 01:18 +0000
                        Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-22 18:00 -0400
                          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 23:35 +0000
              Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 02:34 -0700
                Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 13:51 -0700
        Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 23:15 -0700
          Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 23:22 -0700
          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 11:16 +0000
            Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. NobelPrize.ORG  @. - 2017-08-19 07:45 -0700
              Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 08:32 -0700
                Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-19 17:46 +0000
                  Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-19 14:08 -0500
                    Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 17:20 -0700
                      Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 00:34 +0000
                        Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 00:36 +0000
                      Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-20 01:33 +0000
                        Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-19 21:04 -0700
                        Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 10:07 -0700
                          Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 10:57 -0700
                            Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-20 11:17 -0700
                            Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-20 11:19 -0700
                          Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 11:00 -0700
                            Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-20 18:29 +0000
                          Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-20 18:26 +0000
                            Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 11:58 -0700
                              Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-21 16:39 +0000
                                Black Holes are math kook babble john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 11:46 -0700
                                  Re: Retarded precessing spinny things are kook babble moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-21 20:07 +0000
                            Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 15:09 -0500
                              Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 14:13 -0700
                        Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-20 18:07 -0500
                          Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 16:31 -0700
                            Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-21 08:33 -0500
                              Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 07:00 -0700
              Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2017-08-19 12:45 -0400
                Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-08-21 07:04 -0500
        Re: Black Holes violate the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-21 18:00 -0500
          Re: More data, from more observers, is needed. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-23 10:41 -0500
            Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 11:55 -0700
              Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-24 00:03 -0700
            Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-23 21:26 +0000
              Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 14:32 -0700
                Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 16:48 -0500
                Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-23 22:12 +0000
              Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 16:46 -0500
              Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-23 23:01 +0000
                Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-08-24 10:14 +0100
                  Re: A TRUE singularity has infinite precision, not +/- 45 AU. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-24 17:04 +0000
                    Re: There is no evidence that TRUE black holes exist, none. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-24 15:40 -0700
                      Re: There is no evidence that TRUE black holes exist, none. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 20:04 +0200
                      Re: Slowing lased photons to near ZERO meters/second. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 20:05 +0200
                        Re: Starting/Stopping light. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 21:45 +0200
                          Posting an email address to Usenet is just wrong. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-08-25 17:55 -0700
                            Re: Posting an email address to Usenet is just wrong. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-26 03:23 +0200
                              Give it your best shot, Thomas Lahn. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-08-25 19:08 -0700
                                Re: Give it your best shot, ****** ****. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-26 14:15 +0200
                                  Thomas Lahn would ban URL's. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-08-26 13:36 -0700
                                    Re: ****** **** would ban URL's. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-27 01:46 +0200
                                    Re: Thomas Lahn's GoogleGroups Spam Remover. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-08-28 15:55 -0700
                                      Google Groups spam filter (was: Thomas Lahn's GoogleGroups Spam Remover.) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-31 18:04 +0200
                          If this Wikipedia article is wrong, please fix it. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-08-25 18:39 -0700
                            Slow light (was: If this Wikipedia article is wrong, please fix it.) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-26 03:55 +0200
                              Viewed from earth, everything near an ideal event horizon appears frozen. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-08-25 19:47 -0700
                            Re: If this Wikipedia article is wrong, please fix it. benj <nobody@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-26 01:52 -0400
                          Re: kNode hasn't heard of MIME/HTML ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-26 03:47 +0200
                            The DEFAULT "Subject:" line is NEITHER mandatory or desirable. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-08-25 19:29 -0700
                              Re: The DEFAULT "Subject:" line is NEITHER mandatory or desirable. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-26 15:36 +0000
                                Usenet isn't Wikipedia; threads branch and morph, topics change. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-08-26 11:56 -0700
                                  Re: Usenet isn't Wikipedia; threads branch and morph, topics change. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-27 04:31 +0000
                    Re: There is no evidence that TRUE black holes exist, none. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-25 12:28 -0700
                      Re: There is no evidence that TRUE black holes exist, none. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 12:44 -0700
                  Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 14:34 +0200
                    Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 06:22 -0700
                      Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 16:14 +0200
                      Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 07:18 -0700
                        Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 07:49 -0700
                        Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 18:25 +0200
                        Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 10:44 -0700
                        Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 13:05 -0500
                      Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-25 16:09 +0000
                    Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-25 15:37 +0000
                      Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 08:51 -0700
                        Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 13:01 -0500
                      Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 19:22 +0200
                        Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-25 18:48 +0000
                          Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 12:22 -0700
                          Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 12:25 -0700
                          Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 21:27 +0200
                            Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-25 21:54 +0000
                              Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-26 03:01 +0200
                                Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-26 03:31 +0000
                    Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 21:52 +0200
        Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2017-09-04 14:34 -0400
          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Ethel Ocallaghan <unlgclo@awlwaac.ag> - 2017-09-05 11:40 +0000
          Re: "Black Holes" are forever a notion, never measured. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 14:04 +0000
      Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-19 00:00 -0700
        Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 08:18 -0500
      Re: Black Holes violate the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-20 16:01 -0700
      Re: Black Holes violate the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. pcardinale@volcanomail.com - 2017-08-21 12:54 -0700
    For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 14:44 -0700
      Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 22:15 +0000
    Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 15:26 -0700
      Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-18 18:54 -0700
    Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 21:06 -0500
    Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 10:25 -0700
      Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-25 10:55 -0700
      Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-25 14:17 -0700
        Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-25 15:27 -0700
          Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-25 15:37 -0700
            Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-25 15:50 -0700
    For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 16:29 -0700
      For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 17:03 -0700
        Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-26 01:53 +0000
      Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-26 01:53 +0000

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#646446 — For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not.

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-18 14:54 -0500
SubjectFor Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not.
Message-ID<on7gl5$172m$1@gioia.aioe.org>
John Sefton is incensed about the idea of a black hole, because he read 
somewhere that the central idea of a black hole is infinite gravity, and 
he will insist that gravity has to be finite (even though he believes 
the size of the universe is infinite). And because he believes this is 
the central lynchpin of black holes, then a belief in finite gravity 
means to him that black holes are denied.

But John is kinda missing the boat on what makes a black hole.

First of all, let's get straight what a black hole is. A black hole 
happens when a sufficiently large but FINITE amount of matter falls 
inside a sufficiently small but FINITE radius. This radius is called the 
Schwarzchild radius. That radius is r = 2GM/c^2. All you have to do is 
get more mass than M inside that radius r, and you will have a black 
hole. A black hole simply means that ANYTHING that falls inside this 
radius will never get out or send anything out. Things outside of this 
radius can be perfectly happy, orbiting around and never falling in. The 
idea of a black hole swallowing everything on the OUTSIDE of this radius 
is just bullshit, gradeschool bullshit. Some stuff will fall in, sure, 
just like some stuff falls into the sun, but the planets have not fallen 
into the sun for billions of years.

So far, there is absolutely nothing about infinite anything here.

So now the question is, why don't ALL stars compress under gravity and 
become black holes. The reason is that there are sources of outward 
pressure, obviously, and if the outward pressure equals the inward pull 
of gravity, then collapse doesn't proceed.

In ordinary burning stars, what provides the outward pressure is heat 
from nuclear fusion. Heat pushes matter outward, as anyone who has 
watched a firecracker knows. If gravity is enough to pull it in (more 
than a firecracker's gravity, for sure), then there can be a balance, 
which is like our sun.

When the fuel for fusion is gone, then there is no fusion to provide 
heat to push things outward, and the star starts to collapse, until a 
new outward force pushes it out. That outward force is almost exactly 
the same thing that makes a metal solid. It's called electron 
degeneracy, and it's basically the Pauli exclusion principle at work. 
Electrons in the same state cannot get too close to each other, because 
they are fermions. It's this repulsion, not from electrostatics, but 
from Fermi statistics and the Pauli principle, that makes metal solid, 
and it also makes burnt-out stars resist gravitational collapse.

But if you get enough gravitational pressure coming from the further 
collapse, then you can introduce something that only happens extremely 
rarely in solid materials, and that's the electron being squeezed into 
the nucleus for long enough periods of time that it interacts with a 
proton and generates a neutron. Do this enough, and all of the atoms 
collapse into the size of their nuclei, which is a trillion times 
smaller and more dense. Since there are equal numbers of protons and 
electrons, you're going to end up with something like a solid again, but 
now made up entirely of neutrons. The good news is that neutrons are 
also fermions, and the Pauli exclusion principle also applies to them, 
and so you can't just squeeze neutrons together forever, before they 
want to push each other away and you now have outward pressure. When 
that balances gravity, then you have a stable neutron star, of which 
we've seen plenty.

But if this neutron star collapse brings enough mass close enough 
together that you're inside the Schwarzchild radius, then gravity is 
strong enough to not be balanced by neutron degeneracy. So then another 
collapse happens just like the previous ones. The difference here is 
that we're not aware of any other layer of degeneracy pressure that 
might cause another balance with gravity. So AS FAR AS WE KNOW, there is 
nothing to stop the collapse from gravity and it is ASSUMED that it will 
just continue unstopped. However, as this all happens inside the 
Schwarzchild radius, we WILL NEVER KNOW anyway, because we can't see 
anything coming out to tell us what's going on.

All of this is to point out that infinite gravity is NOT a logical 
must-have for black-holes. All that is needed is enough FINITE gravity 
to overcome the FINITE neutron degeneracy pressure, and you'll have a 
black hole, and what happens inside after that is moot.

So John .... get over it. The crap comic book stuff you read about black 
holes is cheapo, sloppy, popularization nonsense.


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#646447

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-18 13:01 -0700
Message-ID<3f9ec176-49c1-4a81-a7f8-ae59bb49459b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646446
On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 3:54:19 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> John Sefton is incensed about the idea of a black hole, because he read 
> somewhere that the central idea of a black hole is infinite gravity, and 
> he will insist that gravity has to be finite (even though he believes 
> the size of the universe is infinite). And because he believes this is 
> the central lynchpin of black holes, then a belief in finite gravity 
> means to him that black holes are denied.
> 
> But John is kinda missing the boat on what makes a black hole.
> 
> First of all, let's get straight what a black hole is. A black hole 
> happens when a sufficiently large but FINITE amount of matter falls 
> inside a sufficiently small but FINITE radius. This radius is called the 
> Schwarzchild radius. That radius is r = 2GM/c^2. All you have to do is 
> get more mass than M inside that radius r, and you will have a black 
> hole. A black hole simply means that ANYTHING that falls inside this 
> radius will never get out or send anything out. Things outside of this 
> radius can be perfectly happy, orbiting around and never falling in. The 
> idea of a black hole swallowing everything on the OUTSIDE of this radius 
> is just bullshit, gradeschool bullshit. Some stuff will fall in, sure, 
> just like some stuff falls into the sun, but the planets have not fallen 
> into the sun for billions of years.
> 
> So far, there is absolutely nothing about infinite anything here.
> 
> So now the question is, why don't ALL stars compress under gravity and 
> become black holes. The reason is that there are sources of outward 
> pressure, obviously, and if the outward pressure equals the inward pull 
> of gravity, then collapse doesn't proceed.
> 
> In ordinary burning stars, what provides the outward pressure is heat 
> from nuclear fusion. Heat pushes matter outward, as anyone who has 
> watched a firecracker knows. If gravity is enough to pull it in (more 
> than a firecracker's gravity, for sure), then there can be a balance, 
> which is like our sun.
> 
> When the fuel for fusion is gone, then there is no fusion to provide 
> heat to push things outward, and the star starts to collapse, until a 
> new outward force pushes it out. That outward force is almost exactly 
> the same thing that makes a metal solid. It's called electron 
> degeneracy, and it's basically the Pauli exclusion principle at work. 
> Electrons in the same state cannot get too close to each other, because 
> they are fermions. It's this repulsion, not from electrostatics, but 
> from Fermi statistics and the Pauli principle, that makes metal solid, 
> and it also makes burnt-out stars resist gravitational collapse.
> 
> But if you get enough gravitational pressure coming from the further 
> collapse, then you can introduce something that only happens extremely 
> rarely in solid materials, and that's the electron being squeezed into 
> the nucleus for long enough periods of time that it interacts with a 
> proton and generates a neutron. Do this enough, and all of the atoms 
> collapse into the size of their nuclei, which is a trillion times 
> smaller and more dense. Since there are equal numbers of protons and 
> electrons, you're going to end up with something like a solid again, but 
> now made up entirely of neutrons. The good news is that neutrons are 
> also fermions, and the Pauli exclusion principle also applies to them, 
> and so you can't just squeeze neutrons together forever, before they 
> want to push each other away and you now have outward pressure. When 
> that balances gravity, then you have a stable neutron star, of which 
> we've seen plenty.
> 
> But if this neutron star collapse brings enough mass close enough 
> together that you're inside the Schwarzchild radius, then gravity is 
> strong enough to not be balanced by neutron degeneracy. So then another 
> collapse happens just like the previous ones. The difference here is 
> that we're not aware of any other layer of degeneracy pressure that 
> might cause another balance with gravity. So AS FAR AS WE KNOW, there is 
> nothing to stop the collapse from gravity and it is ASSUMED that it will 
> just continue unstopped. However, as this all happens inside the 
> Schwarzchild radius, we WILL NEVER KNOW anyway, because we can't see 
> anything coming out to tell us what's going on.
> 
> All of this is to point out that infinite gravity is NOT a logical 
> must-have for black-holes. All that is needed is enough FINITE gravity 
> to overcome the FINITE neutron degeneracy pressure, and you'll have a 
> black hole, and what happens inside after that is moot.
> 
> So John .... get over it. The crap comic book stuff you read about black 
> holes is cheapo, sloppy, popularization nonsense.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Very nice exposition there Odd. Good work.
ed

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#646480 — Re: Black Holes violate the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.

FromTom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2017-08-18 20:26 -0500
SubjectRe: Black Holes violate the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.
Message-ID<z5Wdndas9Z9XDgrEnZ2dnUU7_8zNnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#646447
On 8/18/17 8/18/17   5:37 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
> How much energy would it take to escape a true black hole ?

That depends on what you mean.

> There's ZERO evidence that a true black hole exists;

Not true. There is considerable evidence that supermassive black holes lie near 
the center of most galaxies. This evidence has convinced most astrophysicists 
that these are indeed black holes, so it is not at all "zero".

The supermassive object at the center of the Milky Way exhibits several key 
aspects that are explained by it being a black hole, and which are not explained 
by any other known object:
  * X-rays characteristic of infalling matter, without the resulting
    collision with a surface.
  * the cutoff and redshift of emissions from that infalling matter are
    consistent with it being a black hole.
  * stars orbiting it come closer than the radius of any other known type
    of object with comparable mass (~ 4.1E6 solar masses).

In addition, the gravitational waves observed by LIGO are not consistent with 
any known hypothesis other than that they were generated by collisions between 
black holes.

Attempting to argue from your own ignorance is never a good plan.

Tom Roberts

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#646491 — Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-18 23:07 -0700
SubjectTake your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<bae68b5d-cc8b-466c-bfd3-3f1863ad7cea@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646480
Lofty
What Odd forgets and many many before him have forgotten and people will forget forever because everyone wants a free lunch is, there is no free lunch. Everything has to come from somewhere. Money doesn't grow on trees. Energy can't be produced by manipulating proximity of objects. Just come ON, now. Don't embarrass the rest of us Humans anymore.

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#646498 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

Frombenj <nobody@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-19 03:26 -0400
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<5997e832$0$60270$c3e8da3$66d3cc2f@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#646491
On 08/19/2017 02:07 AM, john wrote:
> Lofty What Odd forgets and many many before him have forgotten and
> people will forget forever because everyone wants a free lunch is,
> there is no free lunch. Everything has to come from somewhere. Money
> doesn't grow on trees. Energy can't be produced by manipulating
> proximity of objects. Just come ON, now. Don't embarrass the rest of
> us Humans anymore.
>

Hey John, haven't you been listening to Banjo? The pakistanis have 
invented perpetual motion where limitless energy is obtained just by a 
certain placement of magnets.

This is certainly the end of problems for civilization.

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#646712 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

FromArindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-21 06:05 -0700
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<a7092249-10dc-46fc-9878-a17d1d86fad3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646498
On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 5:26:47 PM UTC+10, benj wrote:
> On 08/19/2017 02:07 AM, john wrote:
> > Lofty What Odd forgets and many many before him have forgotten and
> > people will forget forever because everyone wants a free lunch is,
> > there is no free lunch.

How mean. My father has done a lot to establish orphanages where orphans 
get not only free lunches but breakfast and dinner too. And schooling and board.
All paid for by kindly altruists.

Here in Australia, lots more than free lunches are given to the unemployed,
the elderly, refugees, disabled, etc.

 Everything has to come from somewhere. Money
> > doesn't grow on trees.

Not any more. Money is made by machines and distributed by machines.

 Energy can't be produced by manipulating
> > proximity of objects. 

Yes it can. Energy is always getting created and destroyed with kinetic
interaction of matter following the fundamental forces of electricity.

Just come ON, now. Don't embarrass the rest of
> > us Humans anymore.

All those who believe in e=mcc are embarrassments to humanity and science.
> >
> 
> Hey John, haven't you been listening to Banjo? The pakistanis have 
> invented perpetual motion where limitless energy is obtained just by a 
> certain placement of magnets.

Yes, they have made a successful realisation of the Perendev simulation, and 
that is a huge breakthrough in physics. It validates what I found back in
1999.
> 
> This is certainly the end of problems for civilization.

True. 

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee

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#646725 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

FromSerg io <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-08-21 09:26 -0500
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<oneqiv$1tbm$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#646498
On 8/19/2017 2:26 AM, benj wrote:
> On 08/19/2017 02:07 AM, john wrote:
>> Lofty What Odd forgets and many many before him have forgotten and
>> people will forget forever because everyone wants a free lunch is,
>> there is no free lunch. Everything has to come from somewhere. Money
>> doesn't grow on trees. Energy can't be produced by manipulating
>> proximity of objects. Just come ON, now. Don't embarrass the rest of
>> us Humans anymore.
>>
> 
> Hey John, haven't you been listening to Banjo? The pakistanis have 
> invented perpetual motion where limitless energy is obtained just by a 
> certain placement of magnets.
> 
> This is certainly the end of problems for civilization.

hard to buy one though, the exchange rate sucks: 105 PKR to a buck

And they have to send a technician over with it to re-adjust the magnets 
if it dosen't work.


I just ordered one of these for only $10,000,000 PKR !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50Aag0J0Qe4


Delivery in 26 weeks

[no need for pesky magnets or alignment, or technician]

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#646727 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

FromSerg io <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-08-21 09:34 -0500
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<oner2o$1u6e$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#646725
On 8/21/2017 9:26 AM, Serg io wrote:
> On 8/19/2017 2:26 AM, benj wrote:
>> On 08/19/2017 02:07 AM, john wrote:
>>> Lofty What Odd forgets and many many before him have forgotten and
>>> people will forget forever because everyone wants a free lunch is,
>>> there is no free lunch. Everything has to come from somewhere. Money
>>> doesn't grow on trees. Energy can't be produced by manipulating
>>> proximity of objects. Just come ON, now. Don't embarrass the rest of
>>> us Humans anymore.
>>>
>>
>> Hey John, haven't you been listening to Banjo? The pakistanis have 
>> invented perpetual motion where limitless energy is obtained just by a 
>> certain placement of magnets.
>>
>> This is certainly the end of problems for civilization.
> 
> hard to buy one though, the exchange rate sucks: 105 PKR to a buck
> 
> And they have to send a technician over with it to re-adjust the magnets 
> if it dosen't work.
> 
> 
> I just ordered one of these for only $10,000,000 PKR !
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50Aag0J0Qe4
> 
> 
> Delivery in 26 weeks
> 
> [no need for pesky magnets or alignment, or technician]


darn, I did not order the accelerator bottle....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwOblAnQnh4

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#646714 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-21 08:18 -0500
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<onemia$1mhl$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#646491
On 8/19/17 1:07 AM, john wrote:
> Lofty
> What Odd forgets and many many before him have forgotten and people will forget forever because everyone wants a free lunch is, there is no free lunch. Everything has to come from somewhere. Money doesn't grow on trees. Energy can't be produced by manipulating proximity of objects. 

By making sure that water gets more proximal to the center of the earth 
through a directed channel, hydroelectric dams have been generating lots 
of electricity for Las Vegas and cities like that for some time now, John.

Where have you been?

Matter falling under the influence of gravity producing great gobs of 
energy near the centers of galaxies is a straightforward extension of 
that little dabbling with water over a couple hundred feet that we do.

> Just come ON, now. Don't embarrass the rest of us Humans anymore.
> 


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#646719 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-21 06:53 -0700
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<698dac15-5e79-4320-9d8a-63c4f95b2be7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646714
Odd
"Energy can't be produced by manipulating proximity of objects. 

By making sure that water gets more proximal to the center of the earth 
through a directed channel, hydroelectric dams have been generating lots 
of electricity for Las Vegas and cities like that for some time now, John. "

Mm hmmm.
The energy OF THE SUN is used and brings the water to where a dam can redirect it.

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#646759 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-21 15:50 -0500
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<onfh2f$15lk$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#646719
On 8/21/17 8:53 AM, john wrote:
> Odd
> "Energy can't be produced by manipulating proximity of objects.
> 
> By making sure that water gets more proximal to the center of the earth
> through a directed channel, hydroelectric dams have been generating lots
> of electricity for Las Vegas and cities like that for some time now, John. "
> 
> Mm hmmm.
> The energy OF THE SUN is used and brings the water to where a dam can redirect it.
> 

The energy of the sun elevates the water, yes. The fall of the water 
makes that energy available to do other things.

It is still the case that you can get energy be manipulating the 
proximity of objects. This is what potential energy is all about. It is 
location-based energy.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#646767 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

From"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-21 14:50 -0700
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<bda12db0-e1a7-4381-890c-c8e7c3d687d4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646759
On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 1:50:31 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 8/21/17 8:53 AM, john wrote:
> > Odd
> > "Energy can't be produced by manipulating proximity of objects.
> > 
> > By making sure that water gets more proximal to the center of the earth
> > through a directed channel, hydroelectric dams have been generating lots
> > of electricity for Las Vegas and cities like that for some time now, John. "
> > 
> > Mm hmmm.
> > The energy OF THE SUN is used and brings the water to where a dam can redirect it.
> > 
> 
> The energy of the sun elevates the water, yes. The fall of the water 
> makes that energy available to do other things.
> 
> It is still the case that you can get energy be manipulating the 
> proximity of objects. This is what potential energy is all about. It is 
> location-based energy.
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

285,000 miles before a spaceship enters the BH event horizon it measures 66,000 miles in length macro,and all atoms are oval relative to macro.Rate of time is one tick every million Earth years.Its speed increases to 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 of c.The end of spacetime.Acceleration and gravity emerge as one.Gravity as always on top When acceleration + gravity move a neutron to 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 of c it becomes as heavy as the universe.It will be a BH that has to implode.I'm explaining G=EMC^2 in a round about way,and it still fits well with my "Mass Density Theory that Creates BH Implosion"  Trebert

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#646782 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

From"hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
Date2017-08-21 15:39 -0700
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<onfn88$bpg$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#646767
"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> whose handle
anagrams to __"reber A. Hitler, z0g@ gmail.com"__, wrote:
"I'm explaining G=EMC^2 in a round about way,and it still 
fits well with my "Mass Density Theory that Creates 
___Bert's Hemorrhoids___" (BH) Implosion", whose
G=EMC^2 says: "Glazier Exhibits Micro Cephalic Cretinism".
>
Bert has shown for the whole last last week, & made it clear 
that Glazier is a Judeo-Nazi, a Bigot, a Racist, a Hater, a 
Mooch & a Swine that has the inner need to be reminded 
that Glazier is a Face Shitter & a criminal Graveyard vandal, 
just like it says in the following links about:
>
>
_____  Glazier, the Turd-man of Anaheim ________
<http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8MGOU-CQAEaZw4.jpg>,
<http://tinyurl.com/Swine-Glazier-s-Undertaker>
<http://tinyurl.com/Jew-Swine-Glazier-cries>
<http://tinyurl.com/SwineBert-s-WRONG-Predictions>
<http://tinyurl.com/Herbert-Glazier-s-Reprieve>
<http://tinyurl.com/Loudmouth-Glazier-8Feb2017>,
<http://tinyurl.com/The-Chosen-Graveyard-Vandal>.
<http://tinyurl.com/Blog-of-2-fecal-kikes-Mar2017>
5)---------------------------------------------------------

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#646786 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-21 15:50 -0700
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<c9c52eac-5809-41a8-8fe8-c2208ae56b9e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646759
Odd
"
makes that energy available to do other things. 

It is still the case that you can get energy be manipulating the 
proximity of objects. This is what potential energy is all about. It is 
location-based energy. 
"

Let's call each level a field.
We have the galaxy field and the atom field.
We can travel between them, our starship among the galaxies, but made of atoms, forever.
Then there is the sub-atom field. Fractal starships with fractal us inside can travel among the atoms, which to them are galaxies, forever.
And so on. It is the same thing. The sub-atom field. And it goes down.

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#646789 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-21 15:59 -0700
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<3e9da80f-5b9d-49e6-ab18-f072af4d2e1f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646786
So, a Black Hole is a place in the atom field where no atoms can exist. It is an actual hole in our level. And that is because the sub-atom field, on which atoms depend for structure, is spinning too fast, right there.

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#646796 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-21 23:42 +0000
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<onfr4g$1lco$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#646786
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> "
> makes that energy available to do other things. 
> 
> It is still the case that you can get energy be manipulating the 
> proximity of objects. This is what potential energy is all about. It is 
> location-based energy. 
> "
> 
> Let's call each level a field.

Let's not. You're using a perfectly good physics term for some meaning
private to you, and you have no idea what the physics term "field" means. 

Just begging for talking past each other. You might as well walk into a
store in Paris and say, "I'm going to speak Mandarin, OK?"

> We have the galaxy field and the atom field.
> We can travel between them, our starship among the galaxies, but made of atoms, forever.
> Then there is the sub-atom field. Fractal starships with fractal us
> inside can travel among the atoms, which to them are galaxies, forever.
> And so on. It is the same thing. The sub-atom field. And it goes down.
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#646798 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-21 17:16 -0700
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<1f21fda2-782b-4cc8-9577-6c8bef3613ea@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646796
Odd
"
> 
> Let's call each level a field. 

Let's not. You're using a perfectly good physics term for some meaning 
private to you, and you have no idea what the physics term "field" means. "

Well, what term is correct for the different iteration sizes? What term would you like?

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#646800 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-21 18:04 -0700
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<5009ace5-2b87-46c6-9807-a6332dfa8464@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646798
Odd
"" 
> 
> Let's call each level a field. 

Let's not. You're using a perfectly good physics term for some meaning 
private to you, and you have no idea what the physics term "field" means. " 

Well, what term is correct for the different iteration sizes? What term would you like? "

How about "iteration "? Galactic iteration. Atomic iteration. Subatomic iteration. Subsub iteration.
I like it.
Okay, Odd?

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#646807 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-08-22 02:24 +0000
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<ong4lq$cjo$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#646800
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>> Let's call each level a field. 

>Let's not. You're using a perfectly good physics term for some meaning 
>private to you, and you have no idea what the physics term "field" means. " 

>Well, what term is correct for the different iteration sizes? What term 
>would you like? "

>How about "iteration "? Galactic iteration. Atomic iteration. Subatomic 
>iteration. Subsub iteration.

How about 'kook babble'?
Or maybe simply word salad?

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#646802 — Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-22 01:18 +0000
SubjectRe: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts.
Message-ID<ong0od$1rpj$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#646798
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> "
>> 
>> Let's call each level a field. 
> 
> Let's not. You're using a perfectly good physics term for some meaning 
> private to you, and you have no idea what the physics term "field" means. "
> 
> Well, what term is correct for the different iteration sizes? What term would you like?
> 

First off all, you have not established ANY repeating pattern with layers
or iterations or fractal dimensions or whatever. So suppose you just lay
out in a LIST the milestone objects that you think demonstrate a repeating
pattern. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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