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For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not.

Started byOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
First post2017-08-18 14:54 -0500
Last post2017-08-26 01:53 +0000
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  For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 14:54 -0500
    Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 13:01 -0700
      Re: Black Holes violate the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-18 20:26 -0500
        Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 23:07 -0700
          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 03:26 -0400
            Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 06:05 -0700
            Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-21 09:26 -0500
              Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-21 09:34 -0500
          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 08:18 -0500
            Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 06:53 -0700
              Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 15:50 -0500
                Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 14:50 -0700
                  Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-21 15:39 -0700
                Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 15:50 -0700
                  Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 15:59 -0700
                  Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 23:42 +0000
                    Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 17:16 -0700
                      Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 18:04 -0700
                        Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-22 02:24 +0000
                      Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 01:18 +0000
                        Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 19:09 -0700
                          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-22 02:39 +0000
                            Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 20:00 -0700
                              Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 20:40 -0700
                                Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 20:49 -0700
                                  Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-22 13:49 +0000
                                    Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 14:58 -0700
                                      Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 23:35 +0000
                                        Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 17:06 -0700
                                          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-23 00:43 +0000
                                            Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 18:03 -0700
                                          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 01:34 +0000
                                            Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 19:32 -0700
                                              Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 19:50 -0700
                                              Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 09:02 -0500
                                                Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 13:20 -0700
                                                  Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 16:38 -0500
                                              Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 13:46 -0700
                                                Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 13:54 -0700
                                                  Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 14:38 -0700
                                                    Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 15:32 -0700
                                                      Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 15:54 -0700
                                                        Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 10:24 -0500
                                                          Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 09:10 -0700
                                                            Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-24 17:09 +0000
                                                            Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 12:14 -0500
                                                              Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 11:41 -0700
                                                                Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 15:05 -0700
                                                                  Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 22:10 +0000
                                                                Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 22:07 +0000
                                                                  Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 08:31 -0700
                                                  Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 16:39 -0500
                                Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-22 13:47 +0000
                              Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-22 13:53 +0000
                                Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 07:51 -0700
                                  Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-22 15:35 +0000
                          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 08:25 -0500
                        Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-22 17:58 -0400
                    Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 21:05 -0400
                      Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 01:18 +0000
                        Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-22 18:00 -0400
                          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 23:35 +0000
              Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 02:34 -0700
                Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 13:51 -0700
        Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 23:15 -0700
          Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 23:22 -0700
          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 11:16 +0000
            Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. NobelPrize.ORG  @. - 2017-08-19 07:45 -0700
              Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 08:32 -0700
                Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-19 17:46 +0000
                  Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-19 14:08 -0500
                    Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 17:20 -0700
                      Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 00:34 +0000
                        Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 00:36 +0000
                      Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-20 01:33 +0000
                        Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-19 21:04 -0700
                        Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 10:07 -0700
                          Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 10:57 -0700
                            Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-20 11:17 -0700
                            Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-20 11:19 -0700
                          Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 11:00 -0700
                            Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-20 18:29 +0000
                          Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-20 18:26 +0000
                            Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 11:58 -0700
                              Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-21 16:39 +0000
                                Black Holes are math kook babble john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 11:46 -0700
                                  Re: Retarded precessing spinny things are kook babble moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-21 20:07 +0000
                            Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 15:09 -0500
                              Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 14:13 -0700
                        Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-20 18:07 -0500
                          Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 16:31 -0700
                            Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-21 08:33 -0500
                              Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 07:00 -0700
              Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2017-08-19 12:45 -0400
                Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-08-21 07:04 -0500
        Re: Black Holes violate the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-21 18:00 -0500
          Re: More data, from more observers, is needed. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-23 10:41 -0500
            Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 11:55 -0700
              Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-24 00:03 -0700
            Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-23 21:26 +0000
              Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 14:32 -0700
                Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 16:48 -0500
                Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-23 22:12 +0000
              Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 16:46 -0500
              Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-23 23:01 +0000
                Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-08-24 10:14 +0100
                  Re: A TRUE singularity has infinite precision, not +/- 45 AU. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-24 17:04 +0000
                    Re: There is no evidence that TRUE black holes exist, none. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-24 15:40 -0700
                      Re: There is no evidence that TRUE black holes exist, none. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 20:04 +0200
                      Re: Slowing lased photons to near ZERO meters/second. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 20:05 +0200
                        Re: Starting/Stopping light. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 21:45 +0200
                          Posting an email address to Usenet is just wrong. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-08-25 17:55 -0700
                            Re: Posting an email address to Usenet is just wrong. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-26 03:23 +0200
                              Give it your best shot, Thomas Lahn. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-08-25 19:08 -0700
                                Re: Give it your best shot, ****** ****. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-26 14:15 +0200
                                  Thomas Lahn would ban URL's. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-08-26 13:36 -0700
                                    Re: ****** **** would ban URL's. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-27 01:46 +0200
                                    Re: Thomas Lahn's GoogleGroups Spam Remover. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-08-28 15:55 -0700
                                      Google Groups spam filter (was: Thomas Lahn's GoogleGroups Spam Remover.) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-31 18:04 +0200
                          If this Wikipedia article is wrong, please fix it. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-08-25 18:39 -0700
                            Slow light (was: If this Wikipedia article is wrong, please fix it.) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-26 03:55 +0200
                              Viewed from earth, everything near an ideal event horizon appears frozen. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-08-25 19:47 -0700
                            Re: If this Wikipedia article is wrong, please fix it. benj <nobody@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-26 01:52 -0400
                          Re: kNode hasn't heard of MIME/HTML ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-26 03:47 +0200
                            The DEFAULT "Subject:" line is NEITHER mandatory or desirable. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-08-25 19:29 -0700
                              Re: The DEFAULT "Subject:" line is NEITHER mandatory or desirable. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-26 15:36 +0000
                                Usenet isn't Wikipedia; threads branch and morph, topics change. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-08-26 11:56 -0700
                                  Re: Usenet isn't Wikipedia; threads branch and morph, topics change. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-27 04:31 +0000
                    Re: There is no evidence that TRUE black holes exist, none. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-25 12:28 -0700
                      Re: There is no evidence that TRUE black holes exist, none. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 12:44 -0700
                  Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 14:34 +0200
                    Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 06:22 -0700
                      Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 16:14 +0200
                      Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 07:18 -0700
                        Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 07:49 -0700
                        Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 18:25 +0200
                        Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 10:44 -0700
                        Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 13:05 -0500
                      Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-25 16:09 +0000
                    Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-25 15:37 +0000
                      Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 08:51 -0700
                        Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 13:01 -0500
                      Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 19:22 +0200
                        Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-25 18:48 +0000
                          Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 12:22 -0700
                          Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 12:25 -0700
                          Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 21:27 +0200
                            Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-25 21:54 +0000
                              Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-26 03:01 +0200
                                Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-26 03:31 +0000
                    Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 21:52 +0200
        Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2017-09-04 14:34 -0400
          Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Ethel Ocallaghan <unlgclo@awlwaac.ag> - 2017-09-05 11:40 +0000
          Re: "Black Holes" are forever a notion, never measured. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 14:04 +0000
      Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-19 00:00 -0700
        Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 08:18 -0500
      Re: Black Holes violate the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-20 16:01 -0700
      Re: Black Holes violate the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. pcardinale@volcanomail.com - 2017-08-21 12:54 -0700
    For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 14:44 -0700
      Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 22:15 +0000
    Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 15:26 -0700
      Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-18 18:54 -0700
    Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 21:06 -0500
    Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 10:25 -0700
      Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-25 10:55 -0700
      Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-25 14:17 -0700
        Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-25 15:27 -0700
          Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-25 15:37 -0700
            Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-25 15:50 -0700
    For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 16:29 -0700
      For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 17:03 -0700
        Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-26 01:53 +0000
      Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-26 01:53 +0000

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#646628 — Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-20 11:00 -0700
SubjectRe: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.
Message-ID<46726d30-87b8-4da7-a64e-cab840f15664@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646625
MM
"
" question, what do you mean "powering" 
a black hole? Do you mean feeding it to make it larger? " 

There is NO MATTER inside the BH. 
It is SPINNING 'SPACETIME'. 
No charges can remain together in the extreme spin, and they are blown out as jets. 

But what maintains the spin? Radiation. "

We've been here before, Michael.
Remember?
'ITS A CYCLE, MICHAEL'

Galactic centres absorb radiation.
Electrons use their energy to continue radiating.

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#646635 — Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-08-20 18:29 +0000
SubjectRe: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.
Message-ID<onckf5$fq4$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#646628
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>We've been here before, Michael.
>Remember?
>'ITS A CYCLE, MICHAEL'

We've been here before, John.
Remember?

You are spouting kook babble, John.

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#646634 — Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-08-20 18:26 +0000
SubjectRe: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.
Message-ID<onck87$fq4$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#646625
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>" question, what do you mean "powering" 
>a black hole? Do you mean feeding it to make it larger? "

>There is NO MATTER inside the BH.

Kook Babble, John. A black hole is defined as being an object so massive
and dense that its gravity is so powerful that the escape velocity reaches
c, so nothing can escape.  See the word "massive"? That is from all the
mass inside it.

>It is SPINNING 'SPACETIME'.

More kook babble. Spacetime is not a physical object so it cannot "spin".
(and you never did answer, what about black holes that don't rotate?)

>No charges can remain together in the extreme spin, and they are blown 
>out as jets.

Kook babble again.

>But what maintains the spin? Radiation.

Physical objects such as the earth rotate all by themselves without
radiation or anything else needed to 'maintain' it. Conservation of
angular momentum.

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#646637 — Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-20 11:58 -0700
SubjectRe: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.
Message-ID<464602d0-e38f-49d8-a136-eaf979a73ccd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646634
MM
"
More kook babble. Spacetime is not a physical object so it cannot "spin". "

Or "warp/bend"?

(and you never did answer, what about black holes that don't rotate?) "

Show me one- not on paper

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#646742 — Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-08-21 16:39 +0000
SubjectRe: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.
Message-ID<onf2bv$128$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#646637
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"
>More kook babble. Spacetime is not a physical object so it cannot "spin". "

>Or "warp/bend"?

No, that is its effect on mass-energy within it. Not the same as your kook 
babble.

>(and you never did answer, what about black holes that don't rotate?) "

>Show me one- not on paper

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild_metric
http://spiro.fisica.unipd.it/~antonell/schwarzschild/
http://aesop.phys.utk.edu/ads-cft/L2.pdf

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#646749 — Black Holes are math kook babble

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-21 11:46 -0700
SubjectBlack Holes are math kook babble
Message-ID<ecece6ce-2ca4-4e2d-b3f6-f268699f4414@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646742
MM
"john <johnse...@gmail.com> writes: 

>MM 
>" 
>More kook babble. Spacetime is not a physical object so it cannot "spin". " 

>Or "warp/bend"? 

No, that is its effect on mass-energy within it. Not the same as your kook 
babble. 

>(and you never did answer, what about black holes that don't rotate?) " 

>Show me one- not on paper 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild_metric 
http://spiro.fisica.unipd.it/~antonell/schwarzschild/ 
http://aesop.phys.utk.edu/ads-cft/L2.pdf 
"I said 'not on paper'.
In other words, they're all math kook babble.

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#646756 — Re: Retarded precessing spinny things are kook babble

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-08-21 20:07 +0000
SubjectRe: Retarded precessing spinny things are kook babble
Message-ID<onfehb$bie$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#646749
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM

>>(and you never did answer, what about black holes that don't rotate?) " 

>>Show me one- not on paper 

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild_metric 
>http://spiro.fisica.unipd.it/~antonell/schwarzschild/ 
>http://aesop.phys.utk.edu/ads-cft/L2.pdf 
>"I said 'not on paper'.

What do you expect me to do, go to my local hardware store and buy a
Schwartzchild black hole and send it to you in Canada?  Do they have an
import duty?

>In other words, they're all math kook babble.

Meanwhile, all you have is kook babble. And you don't even see it.

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#646650 — Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.

FromLofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-20 15:09 -0500
SubjectRe: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.
Message-ID<63rjpc911thj843ktuk051c9dsv2146pqr@4ax.com>
In reply to#646634
On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 18:26:15 +0000 (UTC),
moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote:

>More kook babble. Spacetime is not a physical object so it cannot "spin".

Maybe not, but it can swirl.  [grin]

-- 
Goat

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#646654 — Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-20 14:13 -0700
SubjectRe: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.
Message-ID<572da876-28a6-4cf1-985d-f6c9c31e915c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646650
Goat
"Maybe not, but it can swirl.  [grin] 
"
Big time!
:)

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#646665 — Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.

FromSerg io <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-08-20 18:07 -0500
SubjectRe: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.
Message-ID<ond4o9$1dvi$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#646576
On 8/19/2017 8:33 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> A BH is a vortex in the aether.
> 
> Kook Babble. There is no aether.

Great Future for  Aether Engineers !! (Midnight News)

> 
>> A photon is a wave of energy in the aether.
> 
> More kook babble.
> 
>> Photon goes into BH and doesn't come out.
> 
> Wow, you actually got something correct for once!!

he was thinking billiard balls (photons) and side pockets (hole)

> 
>> BH increases in energy
> 
> Once inside the black hole we cannot distinguish what's in there, all
> we detect is the mass. 

I dont think one can detect mass inside a BH,
that pesky (-1)^(1/2) thing does a number on reality.

and going through the EH, or 'onto' the EH, one and his instruments get 
strung out into atoms and stuck into a place where time is not advancing 
anymore.

Wish someone would make a realistic movie following the Math, as they go 
slowly into/onto a BH.


> More accurate to say the BH increases in mass.
> (remember, E=mc^2, where E is the energy added by the photon E=hf)
> 
> Regardless, this doesn't answer my question, what do you mean "powering"
> a black hole? Do you mean feeding it to make it larger?
> 

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#646669 — Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-20 16:31 -0700
SubjectRe: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.
Message-ID<07a30561-6a8a-478f-8b54-4c1adbdbe83a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646665
Io
"

> 
>> BH increases in energy 
> 
> Once inside the black hole we cannot distinguish what's in there, all 
> we detect is the mass. 

I dont think one can detect mass inside a BH, 
that pesky (-1)^(1/2) thing does a number on reality. 

and going through the EH, or 'onto' the EH, one and his instruments get 
strung out into atoms and stuck into a place where time is not advancing 
anymore. 

Wish someone would make a realistic movie following the Math, as they go 
slowly into/onto a BH. 
"
They saw what happens.
It's a whirlpool.
The star goes faster and faster around the Center as it gets closer, then the ATOMS SHRED  and two jets carry HEPs in opposite directions at .9c.
No atoms left- all exploded

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#646716 — Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.

FromSerg io <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-08-21 08:33 -0500
SubjectRe: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.
Message-ID<oneng6$1o37$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#646669
On 8/20/2017 6:31 PM, john wrote:
> Io
> "
> 
>>
>>> BH increases in energy
>>
>> Once inside the black hole we cannot distinguish what's in there, all
>> we detect is the mass.
> 
> I dont think one can detect mass inside a BH,
> that pesky (-1)^(1/2) thing does a number on reality.
> 
> and going through the EH, or 'onto' the EH, one and his instruments get
> strung out into atoms and stuck into a place where time is not advancing
> anymore.
> 
> Wish someone would make a realistic movie following the Math, as they go
> slowly into/onto a BH.
> "
> They saw what happens.
> It's a whirlpool.
> The star goes faster and faster around the Center as it gets closer, then the ATOMS SHRED  and two jets carry HEPs in opposite directions at .9c.
> No atoms left- all exploded
> 

but black holes accumulate angular momentium, so they must spin, 
especially if two BHs combine.

here are 2 more opinions
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/BlackHoles/fall_in.html

http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=1842


"The object falling through, from its own perspective, however, notices 
nothing. There is no local measurement that you can make that will tell 
you if you are inside of an event horizon. You will eventually fall into 
the singularity, though, a point where space and time come to an end.

Because the gravitational tidal forces that result from falling into a 
singularity become infinite as the singularity is reached, even 
particles as small and strongly held together as protons or neutrons 
will still be ripped apart by the tides as they actually reach the 
singularity, however."

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#646721 — Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-21 07:00 -0700
SubjectRe: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.
Message-ID<0ae0bd89-5e29-4278-86df-9aed6726ec29@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646716
Sergio 
"

http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=1842 


"The object falling through, from its own perspective, however, notices 
nothing. There is no local measurement that you can make that will tell 
you if you are inside of an event horizon. You will eventually fall into 
the singularity, though, a point where space and time come to an end. 

Because the gravitational tidal forces that result from falling into a 
singularity become infinite as the singularity is reached, even 
particles as small and strongly held together as protons or neutrons 
will still be ripped apart by the tides as they actually reach the 
singularity, however." 

 Nothing will ever fall "straight into" a black hole. Try paddling  a canoe "straight into" a whirlpool. Same thing- it will make you go around faster and faster. I don't know what "tides" they imagine, here- THATS word salad- but when the acceleration reaches a certain point, it blows the charges apart on opposite directions. and you get jets.

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#646524 — Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.

FromChris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
Date2017-08-19 12:45 -0400
SubjectRe: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.
Message-ID<on9qbl$7pf$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#646517
NobelPrize.ORG  @. wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

>

Idiot

-- 
Reader, suppose you were an idiot.  And suppose you were a member of
Congress.  But I repeat myself.
		-- Mark Twain

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#646709 — Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2017-08-21 07:04 -0500
SubjectRe: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert.
Message-ID<sjilpct24clruqhjdmjrdgnjttkq8f5eq1@4ax.com>
In reply to#646524
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

>NobelPrize.ORG  @. wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>>
>
>Idiot

Don't you "love" people who, because of their own stupidity and
ignorance, think that they know better than everyone else?

-- 
"Only Linux shitware is so braindead as to use case-sensitivity."  -
DumFSck

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#646790 — Re: Black Holes violate the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.

FromTom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2017-08-21 18:00 -0500
SubjectRe: Black Holes violate the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.
Message-ID<1vmdnfRh_-yB-wbEnZ2dnUU7_8xh4p2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#646480
On 8/18/17 9:30 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
> Tom Roberts wrote:  >> Jeff-Relf wrote:
>>> There's ZERO evidence that a true black hole exists;
>> Not true. There is considerable evidence that supermassive black holes lie
>> near the center of most galaxies.
> 
> A very dense objects, yes. TRUE black holes, no. Black Holes violate the
> Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.

That theoretical prejudice does not invalidate the observational evidence that
black holes exist. For Sgr A* to not be a black hole requires violating other
theoretical prejudices of comparable stature.

Moreover, I believe that the violation of the HUP occurs deep inside the
horizon, not outside where the observational evidence is. Nobody expects the GR
model to remain valid deep inside the horizon, because we expect quantum effects
to become significant there, and we don't know how to reconcile GR with QM.

And you completely ignored the other evidence:
> In addition, the gravitational waves observed by LIGO are not consistent with
> any known hypothesis other than that they were generated by collisions
> between black holes.

Tom Roberts

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#646928 — Re: More data, from more observers, is needed.

FromTom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2017-08-23 10:41 -0500
SubjectRe: More data, from more observers, is needed.
Message-ID<g4GdnWDV7ZS_PwDEnZ2dnUU7_8zNnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#646790
On 8/21/17 6:46 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
> You ( Tom Roberts ) replied ( to me ):
>> the gravitational waves observed by LIGO are not consistent with
>> any known hypothesis other than that they were generated by
>> collisions between black holes.
> 
> They could've been similar to black holes, but not quite;

No. They merged in a ways consistent with black holes in GR, and inconsistent 
with any known type of material objects.

>> > A very dense objects, yes. TRUE black holes, no.
>> > Black Holes violate the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.
>> 
>> That theoretical prejudice does not invalidate
>> the observational evidence that black holes exist. 
> 
> There is no evidence that TRUE black holes exist, none.

Yes, there is. Your "none" is WRONG. YOU may not be convinced by it, but a 
majority of the astrophysics community is.

>> For Sgr A* to not be a black hole requires violating other
>> theoretical prejudices of comparable stature.
> 
> Like what ?  It could be a "SemiClassical Black Star".

No, because we don't see the radiation that would come from the infalling matter 
hitting the surface of such an object.

>> Nobody expects the GR model to remain valid deep inside the horizon, 
>> because we expect quantum effects to become significant there, 
>> and we don't know how to reconcile GR with QM.
> 
> Exactly, we don't know.

There are things we do know, and things we don't know. We DO know that there are 
objects in the universe which are MUCH better described as black holes than as 
any other type of object.

HERE'S MY KEY POINT:
Until some better model is developed, scientists will model them as black holes. 
You seem to be seeking some sort of "complete and absolutely true knowledge" -- 
that simply is not possible for humans in the world we inhabit.

> more data, from more observers, is needed.

Always true, and this is no different from essentially any other field.

Tom Roberts

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#646946 — Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly.

From"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-23 11:55 -0700
SubjectRe: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly.
Message-ID<0b505f39-f84a-4f2d-be4b-84ca2efe63b7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646928
On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 9:48:41 AM UTC-7, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> You ( Tom Roberts ) replied ( to me ):
> > > > For Sgr A* to not be a black hole requires violating other
> > > > theoretical prejudices of comparable stature.
> > > 
> > > Like what ?  It could be a "SemiClassical Black Star".
> > 
> > No, because we don't see the radiation that would come from
> > the infalling matter hitting the surface of such an object.
> 
> We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly, and you need 
> INFINITE precision to measure a TRUE singularity.
> 
> Quoting " Black  Stars, not Holes ", 2009: <<
> 
>   Quantum effects may prevent true black holes from forming
>   and give rise instead to dense entities called black stars.
>             [...]
>   Deeper shells would have higher temperatures, 
>   just like smaller ­mass black holes do. >>
>   https://physics.ucf.edu/~britt/AST2002/R9-Barcelo-Black%20stars,%20not%20holes.pdf

Heat is created by photons.BHs radiate no photons.Nothing comes back out of BHs event horizon.BHs are absolute zero.BHs can only take up more space.Gravity is a one way force.TreBert

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#647014 — Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly.

From"hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
Date2017-08-24 00:03 -0700
SubjectRe: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly.
Message-ID<onl50i$5eo$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#646946
"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> wrote:
"Heat is created by photons of Bert's Hemorrhoids (BHs)
Bert's Hemorrhoids radiate no photons.Nothing comes back 
out of Bert's Hemorrhoids event horizon.
Bert's Head (BH) is absolute zero. Bert's Head (BH) can 
only take up more space, to post gutter physics and
Trebert's Glazierola. "It's on the money, but it's a Pity"

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#646984 — Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly.

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-08-23 21:26 +0000
SubjectRe: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly.
Message-ID<onkrta$mmu$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#646928
Jeff-Relf.Me  @. writes:

>We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly, and you need 
>INFINITE precision to measure a TRUE singularity.

Doesn't matter, it's the size of the event horizon that counts, not
the singularity. As long as there is enough mass inside an event horizon
there is a black hole, even if there is weird physics unknown to us
inside that prevents formation of a singularity.  We can never know what
happens inside an event horizon.

We see that Sgr A* is there, not by seeing it, but by tracking stars
that are orbiting it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S0%E2%80%93102
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S2_(star)
amongst others

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