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Waves need a medium

Started byArindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com>
First post2017-08-02 16:00 -0700
Last post2017-08-19 21:51 -0400
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  Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 16:00 -0700
    Waves need a medium john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 18:27 -0700
    Re: Waves need a medium Mushnik <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-02 20:46 -0500
    Re: Waves need a medium poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-03 00:14 -0700
      Re: Waves need a medium poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-03 00:20 -0700
        Re: Waves need a medium Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-03 12:55 -0700
      Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 15:18 -0700
      Re: Waves need a medium poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-03 23:08 -0700
        Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-04 02:38 -0700
          Re: Waves need a medium poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-04 07:55 -0700
            Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-04 19:58 -0700
    Re: Waves need a medium "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 13:26 -0700
      Re: Waves need a medium "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-03 13:37 -0700
      Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-04 04:44 -0700
        Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-04 18:08 -0400
          Re: Waves need a medium MaryK <nobody@invalid.com> - 2017-08-04 21:14 -0500
            Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-05 21:02 -0400
        Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-04 19:46 -0700
          Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-05 21:08 -0400
            Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-06 05:50 -0700
              Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-07 17:39 -0400
    Re: Waves need a medium moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-04 03:44 +0000
      Re: Waves need a medium Serg Io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-04 10:17 -0500
        Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-04 19:34 -0700
          Re: Waves need a medium MaryK <nobody@invalid.com> - 2017-08-04 21:44 -0500
            Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-04 20:00 -0700
              Re: Waves need a medium poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-04 22:24 -0700
                Re: Waves need a medium poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-04 23:08 -0700
                  Re: Waves need a medium john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 00:53 -0700
                    Re: Waves need a medium poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-05 01:13 -0700
                      Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 04:24 -0700
                    Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 04:26 -0700
                    Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 11:58 -0500
                    Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-05 21:17 -0400
                Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 04:53 -0700
                  Re: Waves need a medium poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-05 05:17 -0700
              Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 11:57 -0500
                Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 22:55 -0700
                  Re: Waves need a medium Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-06 08:57 -0500
                  Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-06 19:23 +0000
                    Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-07 08:24 -0500
                    Re: Waves need a medium Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-07 14:14 -0700
                      Re: Waves need a medium "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 11:25 -0700
                        Re: Waves need a medium "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-08 22:26 -0700
            Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-05 21:07 -0400
          Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 11:56 -0500
            Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 22:46 -0700
              Re: Waves need a medium Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-06 15:57 -0500
                Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-06 20:17 -0700
                  Re: Waves need a medium Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-07 08:40 -0500
              Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-07 08:25 -0500
                Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-07 16:51 -0700
                  Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 02:13 +0000
                    Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-07 19:25 -0700
                      Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 11:20 +0000
                        Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 04:32 -0700
                          Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 07:47 -0500
                            Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-08 19:34 -0400
                              Re: Waves need a medium john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 17:12 -0700
                      Re: Waves need a medium moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-08 13:15 +0000
                        Re: Waves need a medium john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 06:39 -0700
                          Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 09:20 -0500
                            Re: Waves need a medium john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 08:03 -0700
                              Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 12:03 -0500
                                Re: Waves need a medium john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 10:39 -0700
                                  Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 14:43 -0500
                        Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 16:24 -0700
                          Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 03:17 +0000
                            Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 16:27 -0700
                              Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 23:52 +0000
                                Re: Waves need a medium poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-09 17:44 -0700
                                Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 17:47 -0700
                                  Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 01:34 +0000
                                  Re: Waves need a medium poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-09 22:22 -0700
                                    Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 22:34 -0700
                                Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-09 20:52 -0400
                              Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-09 20:49 -0400
                                Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 01:34 +0000
                                  Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-09 23:27 -0400
                                    Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 22:01 -0700
                          Re: Waves need a medium poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-09 11:55 -0700
                            Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 16:31 -0700
                      Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-08 19:14 -0400
                    Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-08 19:11 -0400
          Re: Waves need a medium moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-05 23:37 +0000
            Re: Waves need a medium john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 16:46 -0700
            Re: Waves need a medium Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 17:01 -0700
              Re: Waves need a medium john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 17:36 -0700
                Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-06 03:03 +0000
            Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 23:12 -0700
              Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-06 13:19 +0000
                Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-06 17:03 -0700
                  Re: Waves need a medium john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-06 17:09 -0700
                  Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-07 02:36 +0000
        Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 11:41 -0500
          Re: Waves need a medium john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 10:35 -0700
            Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 18:13 +0000
              Re: Waves need a medium john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 11:40 -0700
                Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 18:45 +0000
                  Re: Waves need a medium john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 11:57 -0700
                    Re: Waves need a medium moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-05 23:16 +0000
                      Re: Waves need a medium john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 16:32 -0700
                        Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-06 03:03 +0000
                        Re: Waves need a medium moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-06 04:18 +0000
                    Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-06 02:49 +0000
                      Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-07 08:28 -0500
                Re: Waves need a medium moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-05 23:04 +0000
                  Re: Waves need a medium MaryK <nobody@invalid.com> - 2017-08-05 19:59 -0500
                    Re: Waves need a medium john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 18:12 -0700
                      Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-05 22:13 -0400
                        Re: Waves need a medium MaryK <nobody@invalid.com> - 2017-08-05 21:39 -0500
                          Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-07 17:23 -0400
                            Re: Waves need a medium Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-08 12:19 -0500
                      Re: Waves need a medium moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-06 04:32 +0000
          Re: Waves need a medium poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-05 21:09 -0700
            Re: Waves need a medium "Eduardo Fahqtardo" <Dave3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-06 18:46 -0700
    Re: Waves need a medium Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-08-04 21:57 +1000
      Re: Waves need a medium john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-04 06:21 -0700
        Re: Waves need a medium moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-04 23:03 +0000
          Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-04 19:15 -0400
        Re: Waves need a medium Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-08-05 14:35 +1000
          Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 04:28 -0700
            Re: Waves need a medium Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-08-05 22:13 +1000
              Re: Waves need a medium poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-05 06:01 -0700
                Re: Waves need a medium Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-08-05 23:22 +1000
                  Re: Waves need a medium poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-05 21:00 -0700
              Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 06:26 -0700
                Re: Waves need a medium MaryK <nobody@invalid.com> - 2017-08-05 09:02 -0500
                  Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-05 21:25 -0400
                Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 12:02 -0500
                  Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 23:03 -0700
                    Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-06 13:19 +0000
                      Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-07 08:29 -0500
                        Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-07 17:06 -0700
                          Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 07:51 -0500
                    Re: Waves need a medium Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-06 16:49 -0500
                      Re: Waves need a medium john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-06 15:52 -0700
                        Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-07 00:00 +0000
                          Re: Waves need a medium john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-06 17:08 -0700
                            Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-07 02:36 +0000
                        Re: Waves need a medium Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-06 20:21 -0500
                      Re: Waves need a medium James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-08-06 19:47 -0700
              Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-05 21:21 -0400
            Re: Waves need a medium MaryK <nobody@invalid.com> - 2017-08-05 08:54 -0500
              Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 22:38 -0700
                Re: Waves need a medium Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-06 08:13 -0500
                  Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-06 17:00 -0700
                    Re: Waves need a medium Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-06 20:55 -0500
                      Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-06 23:37 -0700
                        Re: Waves need a medium Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-07 08:30 -0500
                  Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-07 17:44 -0400
                Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-07 08:31 -0500
                  Re: Waves need a medium john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-07 07:29 -0700
                    Re: Waves need a medium Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-07 10:59 -0500
                    Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-07 13:22 -0500
                    Re: Waves need a medium Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-07 13:23 -0500
                Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-07 17:27 -0400
                  Re: Waves need a medium Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-08 12:39 -0500
          Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-05 21:12 -0400
      Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-04 18:10 -0400
    Re: Waves need a medium "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-04 10:06 -0700
      Re: Waves need a medium Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-04 13:44 -0700
        Re: Waves need a medium "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 10:21 -0700
          Re: Waves need a medium "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-05 15:44 -0700
      Re: Waves need a medium "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-04 14:31 -0700
      Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-04 18:16 -0400
        Re: Waves need a medium "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 10:24 -0700
          Re: Waves need a medium "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-05 16:19 -0700
      Re: Waves need a medium "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 10:20 -0700
        Re: Waves need a medium "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-05 15:43 -0700
    Re: Waves need a medium "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 10:14 -0700
      Re: Waves need a medium "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-05 15:57 -0700
    Re: Waves need a medium James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-08-06 19:51 -0700
    Re: Waves need a medium zubeneschgenubi@gmail.com - 2017-08-09 17:16 -0700
      Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-09 21:05 -0400
        Re: Waves need a medium zubeneschgenubi@gmail.com - 2017-08-09 20:01 -0700
          Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-09 23:38 -0400
            Re: Waves need a medium john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 21:52 -0700
              Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 22:15 -0700
                Re: Waves need a medium poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-10 02:12 -0700
                  Re: Waves need a medium poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-10 02:29 -0700
                  Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-10 17:29 -0400
                    Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 15:45 -0700
                      Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-10 19:13 -0400
                        Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 16:55 -0700
                          Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-10 20:09 -0400
                            Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 18:57 -0700
                              Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-11 18:04 -0400
                                Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 21:26 -0700
                                  Re: Waves need a medium "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 13:54 -0700
                                    Re: Waves need a medium "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-16 16:39 -0700
                                    Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-16 21:25 -0400
                Re: Waves need a medium john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 02:27 -0700
                  Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 02:49 -0700
                    Re: Waves need a medium john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 06:20 -0700
                      Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 06:58 -0700
                        Re: Waves need a medium john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 07:19 -0700
                          Re: Waves need a medium john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 07:27 -0700
                            Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 16:12 -0700
                              Re: Waves need a medium Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-10 22:39 -0500
                                Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 20:51 -0700
                                Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-11 18:15 -0400
                                  Re: Waves need a medium Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-16 17:56 -0500
                                    Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 16:50 -0700
                                      Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-16 21:41 -0400
                                        Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 19:05 -0700
                                    Re: Waves need a medium Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 19:34 -0500
                          Re: Waves need a medium Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 15:59 -0700
                        Re: Waves need a medium poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-10 09:43 -0700
      Re: Waves need a medium zubeneschgenubi@gmail.com - 2017-08-09 18:45 -0700
        Re: Waves need a medium john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 19:08 -0700
    Re: Waves need a medium "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 11:27 -0700
      Re: Waves need a medium "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-17 12:40 -0700
      Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-17 17:57 -0400
    Re: Waves need a medium raymond.yohros@gmail.com - 2017-08-17 13:51 -0700
      Re: Waves need a medium poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-17 20:57 -0700
    Re: Waves need a medium "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 12:08 -0700
      Re: Waves need a medium "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-18 14:12 -0700
      Re: Waves need a medium benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-19 21:51 -0400

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#645310

Fromporaty350@gmail.com
Date2017-08-09 11:55 -0700
Message-ID<decb3f83-e3c9-4865-8cc3-ae5df6922624@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#645211
On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 2:24:47 AM UTC+3, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 11:15:39 PM UTC+10, Michael Moroney wrote:
> > Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> writes:
> > 
> > >Now if e=mcc as per all Eisnteinian 
> > >then the mass of the photon HAS to be
> > >hv/c^2
> > 
> > WRONG.
> 
> No, it is right if anyone can be right going by E=mcc nonsense!
> But, even in nonsense, there has to be some sense for some credibility.
> > 
> > >Simple derivation, based upon the logic of modern physics.
> > >Wrong of course.
> > 
> > It is you who is wrong, because you used the formula incorrectly.
> > The REAL mass-energy formula is E=sqrt((mc^2)^2 + (pc)^2).
> > m = the rest mass and p is the momentum.
> 
> That is for the particle.
> m is rest mass for the particle.
> When it moves with some momentum p then yes as per e=mcc nonsense that is
> the formula.
> 
> But I am talking about a photon here.
> Which is a particle moving at the speed of light as per quantum mechanics
> and relativity.
> So there can be no rest mass for a photon.
> To pretend that a photon has a rest mass is incredible and all surpassing
> nonsense.
> A photon has the energy hv and as it moves at the speed of light as a
> particle it has a mass equivalent given by hv/c^2.
> 
> In brief, as the photon moves at the speed of light it cannot have any rest mass.
> Seen as a particle, its mass has to be hv/c^2.
> This is the energy it imparts to whatever it strikes as a particle.
> 
> Of course, all the above is nonsense for light is a wave motion carried by
> the medium of aether.
> 
> In due course, physics will be purified from the ill effects of the e=mcc rabies.
> 
> Continuing my efforts to bring that happy day nearer, and with best wishes to
>  all including the rabid ones,
> 
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee
> 
>  
> > For a massive particle at rest or moving relatively slowly, the pc term
> > is small compared to the mc^2 portion so the formula simplifies to
> > E=sqrt(m^2c^4) which simplifies to the familiar E=mc^2.
> > Remember, E=mc^2 is a SPECIAL CASE.
> > 
> > For a photon with zero rest mass, the mc^2/m^2c^4 term becomes zero so now
> > the formula is E=sqrt(p^2c^2). whic simplifies to E=pc.
> > A different special case.
> > 
> > At no point are the two energy components equated. Instead, their squares 
> > are added.
==========================
imbecile parrot 
the photon  has mass the only mass 
in E photon - hf
dimension analysis shows that it has mass
the only mass 
no f en relativistic coefficient 
yet 
how come an imbecile presumptuous moron like  you 
that is a AETHER ENGINEER 
TO TEACH US PHYSICS !!
go teach physics in Pakistan not here 
------
Y.Porat
================================

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#645346

FromArindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-09 16:31 -0700
Message-ID<9d2e8691-7dcd-4bc4-930a-ffd82382449e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#645310
On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 4:55:10 AM UTC+10, pora...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 2:24:47 AM UTC+3, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 11:15:39 PM UTC+10, Michael Moroney wrote:
> > > Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> writes:
> > > 
> > > >Now if e=mcc as per all Eisnteinian 
> > > >then the mass of the photon HAS to be
> > > >hv/c^2
> > > 
> > > WRONG.
> > 
> > No, it is right if anyone can be right going by E=mcc nonsense!
> > But, even in nonsense, there has to be some sense for some credibility.
> > > 
> > > >Simple derivation, based upon the logic of modern physics.
> > > >Wrong of course.
> > > 
> > > It is you who is wrong, because you used the formula incorrectly.
> > > The REAL mass-energy formula is E=sqrt((mc^2)^2 + (pc)^2).
> > > m = the rest mass and p is the momentum.
> > 
> > That is for the particle.
> > m is rest mass for the particle.
> > When it moves with some momentum p then yes as per e=mcc nonsense that is
> > the formula.
> > 
> > But I am talking about a photon here.
> > Which is a particle moving at the speed of light as per quantum mechanics
> > and relativity.
> > So there can be no rest mass for a photon.
> > To pretend that a photon has a rest mass is incredible and all surpassing
> > nonsense.
> > A photon has the energy hv and as it moves at the speed of light as a
> > particle it has a mass equivalent given by hv/c^2.
> > 
> > In brief, as the photon moves at the speed of light it cannot have any rest mass.
> > Seen as a particle, its mass has to be hv/c^2.
> > This is the energy it imparts to whatever it strikes as a particle.
> > 
> > Of course, all the above is nonsense for light is a wave motion carried by
> > the medium of aether.
> > 
> > In due course, physics will be purified from the ill effects of the e=mcc rabies.
> > 
> > Continuing my efforts to bring that happy day nearer, and with best wishes to
> >  all including the rabid ones,
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Arindam Banerjee
> > 
> >  
> > > For a massive particle at rest or moving relatively slowly, the pc term
> > > is small compared to the mc^2 portion so the formula simplifies to
> > > E=sqrt(m^2c^4) which simplifies to the familiar E=mc^2.
> > > Remember, E=mc^2 is a SPECIAL CASE.
> > > 
> > > For a photon with zero rest mass, the mc^2/m^2c^4 term becomes zero so now
> > > the formula is E=sqrt(p^2c^2). whic simplifies to E=pc.
> > > A different special case.
> > > 
> > > At no point are the two energy components equated. Instead, their squares 
> > > are added.
> ==========================
> imbecile parrot 
> the photon  has mass the only mass 
> in E photon - hf
> dimension analysis shows that it has mass
> the only mass 
> no f en relativistic coefficient 
> yet 
> how come an imbecile presumptuous moron like  you 
> that is a AETHER ENGINEER 
> TO TEACH US PHYSICS !!
> go teach physics in Pakistan not here 

Go to Pakistan and LEARN physics there.
They have made a perpetual motion machine.
Thus they have proved my formula that shows how energy is always getting 
created and destroyed, namely e=0.5mVVN(N-k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0IbppxPdHc&t=12s

And their command over English is far better than yours.

Learn, learn.  Those you despise are scientifically far superior to you.

> ------
> Y.Porat
> ================================

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#645208

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-08-08 19:14 -0400
Message-ID<598a45d1$0$53469$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#645081
On 8/7/2017 10:25 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 12:13:09 PM UTC+10, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, August 7, 2017 at 11:25:54 PM UTC+10, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 8/6/17 12:46 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>>>> Modern physicists hold that em radiation is matter following
>>>>> e(v)=hv where v is frequency and h is Planck's constant and e is the energy
>>>>> of the photon
>>>>> and m=e(v)/c^2  where m is the mass of the photon following Einstein's relation.
>>>>
>>>> Modern physicists do NOT hold that the mass of the photon is m=e(v)/c^2.
>>>> I have no idea where you got such a stupid idea.
>>>
>>> It is far from stupid if you hold that
>>> e=mcc
>>> and e=hV (energy of a photon)
>>> If you hold these two correct then a photon MUST have mass m = hv/C^2
>>> which will be evident to anyone with the slightest knowledge of algebra.
>>>
>>> Of course as e=mcc is false this equation for photon mass m=hv/c^2 is wrong.
>>>
>>> Modern physicists are all mad as they support e=mcc.
>>> They are all as distorted as spacetime.
>>> AS they support GR they MUST associate light/photon with mass.
>>> They did that to "prove" GR.
>>> They are wrong of course.
>>> Their schizophrenic attitude has caused havoc to many aspects of life in the
>>> 20th century.  It has corrupted everything.
>>> Getting rid of their dogma is thus the way to go in this century.
>>> Down e=mcc; up e=0.5mVVN(N-k)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Arindam Banerjee
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That's just it, Arindam.
>> The e in e=mc^2 is not the same energy that is in e=h*nu.
>> If you would actually READ the references where these are discussed, you
>> would know that the same label "e" is being used for two completely
>> different quantities. And had you done that, then you wouldn't make the
>> foolish mistake of equating them.
> 
> Both are energy e.
> e is the energy of a photon. And that energy is hv.
> Any book on quantum theory will tell you that.
> 
> The photon is treated as a particle with kinetic energy as particles must have.
> 
> There is no aether in quantum theory/relativity as per Einstein in 1905 and
> this is blindly swallowed and regurgitated by the modern physicists.
> 
> The photon is a particle travelling at the speed of light according to them.
> 
> It may have wave like qualities to account for refraction, diffraction,
> beam-forming, etc. and that follows from de Broglie's HYPOTHESIS.
> 
> Now if e=mcc as per all Eisnteinian
> then the mass of the photon HAS to be
> hv/c^2
> 
> Simple derivation, based upon the logic of modern physics.
> Wrong of course.
> But that is another story which is what I am writing in my Aphorisms.
> 
> Sooner or later the e=mcc nonsense will be clear to all.
> 
> And how its adherents use confusion, abuse, ad hom attacks to maintain their
> crumbling position.
> 
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee

You are right, Banjo. Only a genius of your level could see the sense in 
classical physics and the nonsense of E = mcc. I sure hope they don't 
steal your ideas and get famous while everyone just continues to laugh 
at you!

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#645207

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-08-08 19:11 -0400
Message-ID<598a4517$0$62091$b1db1813$7968482@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#645080
On 8/7/2017 10:13 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Monday, August 7, 2017 at 11:25:54 PM UTC+10, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> On 8/6/17 12:46 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>>> Modern physicists hold that em radiation is matter following
>>>> e(v)=hv where v is frequency and h is Planck's constant and e is the energy
>>>> of the photon
>>>> and m=e(v)/c^2  where m is the mass of the photon following Einstein's relation.
>>>
>>> Modern physicists do NOT hold that the mass of the photon is m=e(v)/c^2.
>>> I have no idea where you got such a stupid idea.
>>
>> It is far from stupid if you hold that
>> e=mcc
>> and e=hV (energy of a photon)
>> If you hold these two correct then a photon MUST have mass m = hv/C^2
>> which will be evident to anyone with the slightest knowledge of algebra.
>>
>> Of course as e=mcc is false this equation for photon mass m=hv/c^2 is wrong.
>>
>> Modern physicists are all mad as they support e=mcc.
>> They are all as distorted as spacetime.
>> AS they support GR they MUST associate light/photon with mass.
>> They did that to "prove" GR.
>> They are wrong of course.
>> Their schizophrenic attitude has caused havoc to many aspects of life in the
>> 20th century.  It has corrupted everything.
>> Getting rid of their dogma is thus the way to go in this century.
>> Down e=mcc; up e=0.5mVVN(N-k)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Arindam Banerjee
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>
>>
> 
> That's just it, Arindam.
> The e in e=mc^2 is not the same energy that is in e=h*nu.
> If you would actually READ the references where these are discussed, you
> would know that the same label "e" is being used for two completely
> different quantities. And had you done that, then you wouldn't make the
> foolish mistake of equating them.
> 
> The mistake is yours, and it's a silly one born of ignorance.
> 
It is not "far from stupid" but very very NEAR to stupid. to beleive 
that e=mc^2 and e=h*nu are nonsense.

Finally Odd, someone actually dumb enough that a maker of wooden toys 
can actually feel smart and knowledgeable of science. I'd have never 
thought it possible.

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#644666

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-08-05 23:37 +0000
Message-ID<om5kqs$vb8$4@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#644454
Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> writes:

>On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 1:18:14 AM UTC+10, Serg Io wrote:
>> On 8/3/2017 10:44 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 2:00:44 AM UTC+3, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>> >>  From water waves requiring water
>> >>  From sound waves requiring air/solid
>> >>  From Mexican waves requiring humans
>> >>  From vibration waves requiring a string
>> >>
>> >> Since these waves require a medium, electromagnetic waves need a medium.
>> > 
>> >  From cats giving live birth to kittens
>> >  From cows giving live birth to calves
>> >  From Mexicans giving live birth to babies
>> >  From dogs giving live birth to puppies
>> > 
>> > Since these mammals give live birth to offspring, platypuses need to
>> > give live birth to their offspring.

>Like sharks!

I knew you would either ignore the comparison or not get it and blow it 
off. Thanks for proving me right!

>A wave must have a medium for otherwise it cannot progress.

Does not follow.

Besides, things like photons, electrons etc. have both wavelike and
particlelike properties.  Not needing a medium is simply a particlelike
property they have.

>Something has to be there for the disturbance to propagate.

Like a bullet needs something there to fly through? A bullet won't
propagate in a vacuum?

>How is the notion of the entire infinite universe getting filled with 
>infinitely small particles of solid matter more difficult to grasp, I cannot
>understand.

With current theory, there simply isn't any need for any such thing.
No need for it, no way to detect it, so it gets discarded as useless.

Besides, if it was a solid, it would move as a unit. So we can detect its
velocity relative to us.  I hear there were a couple of guys named
Michelson and Morley who had an answer to that.

>A wave is a disturbance.
>Disturbance has to have a medium for propagation.

Things like electrons and photons act only somewhat like waves.

>I am talking deductive logic. Not inductive.

No, you are regurgitating old 19th century thinking.  You're like John 
Sefton, thinking that if it doesn't go along with how he thinks, it must
be wrong. Not that John's thinking is wrong, he can't be wrong, so the
whole universe must be wrong.

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#644667

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-05 16:46 -0700
Message-ID<266cb0fb-e36c-4e80-8560-2ac914016ce6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#644666
MM
" Not that John's thinking is wrong, he can't be wrong, .."
Now ur starting to get it, Michael 

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#644670

FromMahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-05 17:01 -0700
Message-ID<c478c367-9a87-48ec-a887-b122e1649b74@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#644666
On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 7:37:03 PM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> >On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 1:18:14 AM UTC+10, Serg Io wrote:
> >> On 8/3/2017 10:44 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 2:00:44 AM UTC+3, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >> >>  From water waves requiring water
> >> >>  From sound waves requiring air/solid
> >> >>  From Mexican waves requiring humans
> >> >>  From vibration waves requiring a string
> >> >>
> >> >> Since these waves require a medium, electromagnetic waves need a medium.
> >> > 
> >> >  From cats giving live birth to kittens
> >> >  From cows giving live birth to calves
> >> >  From Mexicans giving live birth to babies
> >> >  From dogs giving live birth to puppies
> >> > 
> >> > Since these mammals give live birth to offspring, platypuses need to
> >> > give live birth to their offspring.
> 
> >Like sharks!
> 
> I knew you would either ignore the comparison or not get it and blow it 
> off. Thanks for proving me right!
> 
> >A wave must have a medium for otherwise it cannot progress.
> 
> Does not follow.
> 
> Besides, things like photons, electrons etc. have both wavelike and
> particlelike properties.  Not needing a medium is simply a particlelike
> property they have.
> 
> >Something has to be there for the disturbance to propagate.
> 
> Like a bullet needs something there to fly through? A bullet won't
> propagate in a vacuum?
> 
> >How is the notion of the entire infinite universe getting filled with 
> >infinitely small particles of solid matter more difficult to grasp, I cannot
> >understand.
> 
> With current theory, there simply isn't any need for any such thing.
> No need for it, no way to detect it, so it gets discarded as useless.
> 
> Besides, if it was a solid, it would move as a unit. So we can detect its
> velocity relative to us.  I hear there were a couple of guys named
> Michelson and Morley who had an answer to that.
> 
> >A wave is a disturbance.
> >Disturbance has to have a medium for propagation.
> 
> Things like electrons and photons act only somewhat like waves.
> 
> >I am talking deductive logic. Not inductive.
> 
> No, you are regurgitating old 19th century thinking.  You're like John 
> Sefton, thinking that if it doesn't go along with how he thinks, it must
> be wrong. Not that John's thinking is wrong, he can't be wrong, so the
> whole universe must be wrong.

That's so brilliantly funny, MichaelJi! Wish I'd written that! Wrong Universe?!

-- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: d(me) != 0 ... me alwa(y)s changes... Enjo(y)!”   
Enjo(y)... Salute… Cheers... Open your M I N D… Time it is Is IS 3PM somePlace. 

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#644676

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-05 17:36 -0700
Message-ID<35d7c089-1b09-40cc-a6ab-e71aa80a3d3b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#644670
Waves do need a medium.
That is what is waving.
However, there are also High Energy Particles 
that travel up to .9c, as well, that are referred to as Cosmic Waves, or Cosmic Rays. These are shot out from Black Holes as jets when Matter falls in.

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#644715

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-06 03:03 +0000
Message-ID<om60us$1rdt$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#644676
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Waves do need a medium.

Nope

> That is what is waving.

Not in the case of fields. Not unless you want to call the fields the
medium. 

> However, there are also High Energy Particles 
> that travel up to .9c, as well, that are referred to as Cosmic Waves, or
> Cosmic Rays. These are shot out from Black Holes as jets when Matter falls in.
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#644747

FromArindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-05 23:12 -0700
Message-ID<093db9ad-30df-43d2-903d-3b1206c4a634@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#644666
On Sunday, August 6, 2017 at 9:37:03 AM UTC+10, Michael Moroney wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> >On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 1:18:14 AM UTC+10, Serg Io wrote:
> >> On 8/3/2017 10:44 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 2:00:44 AM UTC+3, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >> >>  From water waves requiring water
> >> >>  From sound waves requiring air/solid
> >> >>  From Mexican waves requiring humans
> >> >>  From vibration waves requiring a string
> >> >>
> >> >> Since these waves require a medium, electromagnetic waves need a medium.
> >> > 
> >> >  From cats giving live birth to kittens
> >> >  From cows giving live birth to calves
> >> >  From Mexicans giving live birth to babies
> >> >  From dogs giving live birth to puppies
> >> > 
> >> > Since these mammals give live birth to offspring, platypuses need to
> >> > give live birth to their offspring.
> 
> >Like sharks!
> 
> I knew you would either ignore the comparison or not get it and blow it 
> off. Thanks for proving me right!

I was disappointed with the low quality of implied criticism which confused
matters instead of clarifying them.
> 
> >A wave must have a medium for otherwise it cannot progress.
> 
> Does not follow.
> 
> Besides, things like photons, electrons etc. have both wavelike and
> particlelike properties.  Not needing a medium is simply a particlelike
> property they have.

Photons are not particles. They are the basic element of electromagnetic 
radiation. Photons are not particles as they do not have mass. 

No one has PROVED that photons have mass.

Electrons have mass and so they are particles.

Electrons can go off into empty space with no need for aether.

Such is NOT the case for photons.

> 
> >Something has to be there for the disturbance to propagate.
> 
> Like a bullet needs something there to fly through? A bullet won't
> propagate in a vacuum?

It will for it is not a disturbance. It is a mass with a velocity.
On the other hand sound will not fly through a vacuum.

> >How is the notion of the entire infinite universe getting filled with 
> >infinitely small particles of solid matter more difficult to grasp, I cannot
> >understand.
> 
> With current theory, there simply isn't any need for any such thing.
> No need for it, no way to detect it, so it gets discarded as useless.
> 
> Besides, if it was a solid, it would move as a unit. So we can detect its
> velocity relative to us.  I hear there were a couple of guys named
> Michelson and Morley who had an answer to that.
> 
> >A wave is a disturbance.
> >Disturbance has to have a medium for propagation.
> 
> Things like electrons and photons act only somewhat like waves.
> 
> >I am talking deductive logic. Not inductive.
> 
> No, you are regurgitating old 19th century thinking.  You're like John 
> Sefton, thinking that if it doesn't go along with how he thinks, it must
> be wrong. Not that John's thinking is wrong, he can't be wrong, so the
> whole universe must be wrong.

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#644794

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-06 13:19 +0000
Message-ID<om751u$1rpm$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#644747
Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, August 6, 2017 at 9:37:03 AM UTC+10, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>> On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 1:18:14 AM UTC+10, Serg Io wrote:
>>>> On 8/3/2017 10:44 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 2:00:44 AM UTC+3, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>>>>> From water waves requiring water
>>>>>> From sound waves requiring air/solid
>>>>>> From Mexican waves requiring humans
>>>>>> From vibration waves requiring a string
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Since these waves require a medium, electromagnetic waves need a medium.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From cats giving live birth to kittens
>>>>> From cows giving live birth to calves
>>>>> From Mexicans giving live birth to babies
>>>>> From dogs giving live birth to puppies
>>>>> 
>>>>> Since these mammals give live birth to offspring, platypuses need to
>>>>> give live birth to their offspring.
>> 
>>> Like sharks!
>> 
>> I knew you would either ignore the comparison or not get it and blow it 
>> off. Thanks for proving me right!
> 
> I was disappointed with the low quality of implied criticism which confused
> matters instead of clarifying them.
>> 
>>> A wave must have a medium for otherwise it cannot progress.
>> 
>> Does not follow.
>> 
>> Besides, things like photons, electrons etc. have both wavelike and
>> particlelike properties.  Not needing a medium is simply a particlelike
>> property they have.
> 
> Photons are not particles. They are the basic element of electromagnetic 
> radiation. Photons are not particles as they do not have mass. 

Photons do not have mass. Physicists say photons have no mass.
You are the one incorrectly using an equation m=e/c^2 to say that photons
are supposed by physicists to have mass. But you are the one using the
equation incorrectly to make a false claim. 

To repeat: no physicist today will say that photons have mass. So what is
your complaint about physics??

> 
> No one has PROVED that photons have mass.
> 
> Electrons have mass and so they are particles.
> 
> Electrons can go off into empty space with no need for aether.
> 
> Such is NOT the case for photons.
> 
>> 
>>> Something has to be there for the disturbance to propagate.
>> 
>> Like a bullet needs something there to fly through? A bullet won't
>> propagate in a vacuum?
> 
> It will for it is not a disturbance. It is a mass with a velocity.
> On the other hand sound will not fly through a vacuum.
> 
>>> How is the notion of the entire infinite universe getting filled with 
>>> infinitely small particles of solid matter more difficult to grasp, I cannot
>>> understand.
>> 
>> With current theory, there simply isn't any need for any such thing.
>> No need for it, no way to detect it, so it gets discarded as useless.
>> 
>> Besides, if it was a solid, it would move as a unit. So we can detect its
>> velocity relative to us.  I hear there were a couple of guys named
>> Michelson and Morley who had an answer to that.
>> 
>>> A wave is a disturbance.
>>> Disturbance has to have a medium for propagation.
>> 
>> Things like electrons and photons act only somewhat like waves.
>> 
>>> I am talking deductive logic. Not inductive.
>> 
>> No, you are regurgitating old 19th century thinking.  You're like John 
>> Sefton, thinking that if it doesn't go along with how he thinks, it must
>> be wrong. Not that John's thinking is wrong, he can't be wrong, so the
>> whole universe must be wrong.
> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#644859

FromArindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-06 17:03 -0700
Message-ID<c62aa1fe-640a-4c9e-9f1c-cf31c9e8376c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#644794
On Sunday, August 6, 2017 at 11:20:03 PM UTC+10, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 6, 2017 at 9:37:03 AM UTC+10, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> writes:
> >> 
> >>> On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 1:18:14 AM UTC+10, Serg Io wrote:
> >>>> On 8/3/2017 10:44 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 2:00:44 AM UTC+3, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >>>>>> From water waves requiring water
> >>>>>> From sound waves requiring air/solid
> >>>>>> From Mexican waves requiring humans
> >>>>>> From vibration waves requiring a string
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Since these waves require a medium, electromagnetic waves need a medium.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> From cats giving live birth to kittens
> >>>>> From cows giving live birth to calves
> >>>>> From Mexicans giving live birth to babies
> >>>>> From dogs giving live birth to puppies
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Since these mammals give live birth to offspring, platypuses need to
> >>>>> give live birth to their offspring.
> >> 
> >>> Like sharks!
> >> 
> >> I knew you would either ignore the comparison or not get it and blow it 
> >> off. Thanks for proving me right!
> > 
> > I was disappointed with the low quality of implied criticism which confused
> > matters instead of clarifying them.
> >> 
> >>> A wave must have a medium for otherwise it cannot progress.
> >> 
> >> Does not follow.
> >> 
> >> Besides, things like photons, electrons etc. have both wavelike and
> >> particlelike properties.  Not needing a medium is simply a particlelike
> >> property they have.
> > 
> > Photons are not particles. They are the basic element of electromagnetic 
> > radiation. Photons are not particles as they do not have mass. 
> 
> Photons do not have mass. Physicists say photons have no mass.
> You are the one incorrectly using an equation m=e/c^2 to say that photons
> are supposed by physicists to have mass. But you are the one using the
> equation incorrectly to make a false claim. 

It is Porat who says that em waves have mass.
Physicists (modern) are schizophrenic about light.
They are mad.
I do not apply their madness to light.
Nor do I absorb their madness.
I dismiss them as despicable and contemptible frauds if they claim sanity.

> 
> To repeat: no physicist today will say that photons have mass. So what is
> your complaint about physics??

I don't complain about physics.

> 
> > 
> > No one has PROVED that photons have mass.
> > 
> > Electrons have mass and so they are particles.
> > 
> > Electrons can go off into empty space with no need for aether.
> > 
> > Such is NOT the case for photons.
> > 
> >> 
> >>> Something has to be there for the disturbance to propagate.
> >> 
> >> Like a bullet needs something there to fly through? A bullet won't
> >> propagate in a vacuum?
> > 
> > It will for it is not a disturbance. It is a mass with a velocity.
> > On the other hand sound will not fly through a vacuum.
> > 
> >>> How is the notion of the entire infinite universe getting filled with 
> >>> infinitely small particles of solid matter more difficult to grasp, I cannot
> >>> understand.
> >> 
> >> With current theory, there simply isn't any need for any such thing.
> >> No need for it, no way to detect it, so it gets discarded as useless.
> >> 
> >> Besides, if it was a solid, it would move as a unit. So we can detect its
> >> velocity relative to us.  I hear there were a couple of guys named
> >> Michelson and Morley who had an answer to that.
> >> 
> >>> A wave is a disturbance.
> >>> Disturbance has to have a medium for propagation.
> >> 
> >> Things like electrons and photons act only somewhat like waves.
> >> 
> >>> I am talking deductive logic. Not inductive.
> >> 
> >> No, you are regurgitating old 19th century thinking.  You're like John 
> >> Sefton, thinking that if it doesn't go along with how he thinks, it must
> >> be wrong. Not that John's thinking is wrong, he can't be wrong, so the
> >> whole universe must be wrong.
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#644864

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-06 17:09 -0700
Message-ID<0940d324-ca40-45d6-baee-241e85c6771f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#644859
Odd has a short-circuit somewhere.
Only explanation I can think of.

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#644888

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-07 02:36 +0000
Message-ID<om8jnn$3ij$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#644859
Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, August 6, 2017 at 11:20:03 PM UTC+10, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sunday, August 6, 2017 at 9:37:03 AM UTC+10, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 1:18:14 AM UTC+10, Serg Io wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/3/2017 10:44 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 2:00:44 AM UTC+3, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>>>>>>> From water waves requiring water
>>>>>>>> From sound waves requiring air/solid
>>>>>>>> From Mexican waves requiring humans
>>>>>>>> From vibration waves requiring a string
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Since these waves require a medium, electromagnetic waves need a medium.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From cats giving live birth to kittens
>>>>>>> From cows giving live birth to calves
>>>>>>> From Mexicans giving live birth to babies
>>>>>>> From dogs giving live birth to puppies
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Since these mammals give live birth to offspring, platypuses need to
>>>>>>> give live birth to their offspring.
>>>> 
>>>>> Like sharks!
>>>> 
>>>> I knew you would either ignore the comparison or not get it and blow it 
>>>> off. Thanks for proving me right!
>>> 
>>> I was disappointed with the low quality of implied criticism which confused
>>> matters instead of clarifying them.
>>>> 
>>>>> A wave must have a medium for otherwise it cannot progress.
>>>> 
>>>> Does not follow.
>>>> 
>>>> Besides, things like photons, electrons etc. have both wavelike and
>>>> particlelike properties.  Not needing a medium is simply a particlelike
>>>> property they have.
>>> 
>>> Photons are not particles. They are the basic element of electromagnetic 
>>> radiation. Photons are not particles as they do not have mass. 
>> 
>> Photons do not have mass. Physicists say photons have no mass.
>> You are the one incorrectly using an equation m=e/c^2 to say that photons
>> are supposed by physicists to have mass. But you are the one using the
>> equation incorrectly to make a false claim. 
> 
> It is Porat who says that em waves have mass.

And Ports is a bridge engineer. Why is his thought on the subject
important?

> Physicists (modern) are schizophrenic about light.

In what way?

> They are mad.
> I do not apply their madness to light.
> Nor do I absorb their madness.
> I dismiss them as despicable and contemptible frauds if they claim sanity.
> 
>> 
>> To repeat: no physicist today will say that photons have mass. So what is
>> your complaint about physics??
> 
> I don't complain about physics.

You just said the were madmen. Confused?

> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> No one has PROVED that photons have mass.
>>> 
>>> Electrons have mass and so they are particles.
>>> 
>>> Electrons can go off into empty space with no need for aether.
>>> 
>>> Such is NOT the case for photons.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Something has to be there for the disturbance to propagate.
>>>> 
>>>> Like a bullet needs something there to fly through? A bullet won't
>>>> propagate in a vacuum?
>>> 
>>> It will for it is not a disturbance. It is a mass with a velocity.
>>> On the other hand sound will not fly through a vacuum.
>>> 
>>>>> How is the notion of the entire infinite universe getting filled with 
>>>>> infinitely small particles of solid matter more difficult to grasp, I cannot
>>>>> understand.
>>>> 
>>>> With current theory, there simply isn't any need for any such thing.
>>>> No need for it, no way to detect it, so it gets discarded as useless.
>>>> 
>>>> Besides, if it was a solid, it would move as a unit. So we can detect its
>>>> velocity relative to us.  I hear there were a couple of guys named
>>>> Michelson and Morley who had an answer to that.
>>>> 
>>>>> A wave is a disturbance.
>>>>> Disturbance has to have a medium for propagation.
>>>> 
>>>> Things like electrons and photons act only somewhat like waves.
>>>> 
>>>>> I am talking deductive logic. Not inductive.
>>>> 
>>>> No, you are regurgitating old 19th century thinking.  You're like John 
>>>> Sefton, thinking that if it doesn't go along with how he thinks, it must
>>>> be wrong. Not that John's thinking is wrong, he can't be wrong, so the
>>>> whole universe must be wrong.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> 



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Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#644567

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-05 11:41 -0500
Message-ID<om4sfv$1tsg$5@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#644359
On 8/4/17 10:17 AM, Serg Io wrote:
> On 8/3/2017 10:44 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 2:00:44 AM UTC+3, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>>  From water waves requiring water
>>>  From sound waves requiring air/solid
>>>  From Mexican waves requiring humans
>>>  From vibration waves requiring a string
>>>
>>> Since these waves require a medium, electromagnetic waves need a medium.
>>
>>  From cats giving live birth to kittens
>>  From cows giving live birth to calves
>>  From Mexicans giving live birth to babies
>>  From dogs giving live birth to puppies
>>
>> Since these mammals give live birth to offspring, platypuses need to
>> give live birth to their offspring.
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> same kind of logic;
> 
> a man has two legs
> a monkey has two legs
> therefore all men are monkeys

What you see exhibited here is a shallowness of thinking. Sure, there is 
a correlation between the presence of a water wave and of the water. 
Sure there is a correlation between sound and the presence of air. 
However, the correlation does not provide the explanation.

It helps to ask questions like:
- What is it about the medium that a disturbance propagates instead of 
just sit there and oscillate?
- Why is it that the initial displacement in the original location is 
followed by a displacement in the other direction?
- Why do the waves tend to follow a sinusoidal shape in the simplest cases?

When you actually try to answer these with some depth, you find that the 
behavior of a wave in a medium is determined by using Newton's laws of 
motion in that medium, and there is a common trait that the acceleration 
of a bit of the medium is proportional to the displacement, and 
furthermore, the time derivative of the displacement is proportional to 
the spatial derivative of the displacement. The latter is what couples 
the spatial and time derivatives that are so critical to wave behavior. 
In other words, it isn't JUST the presence of the medium that is 
critical, it is the relationship between the time and spatial 
derivatives of the displacement that is critical. Without that 
mathematical relationship, the presence of the medium would mean nothing.

What's even more astounding is that once you know that the wave behavior 
comes from Newton's law and the relationship between the derivatives, 
then this behavior will emerge EVEN WITHOUT a medium to support it. It's 
not hard to find cases where the relationship between the derivatives is 
present with no medium to point to.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#644587

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-05 10:35 -0700
Message-ID<4fc992fa-87f0-4654-9063-27a67cbd6e2b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#644567
Odd
"critical, it is the relationship between the time and spatial 
derivatives of the displacement that is critical. Without that 
mathematical relationship, the presence of the medium would mean nothing. "
Time.
You discovered that Time is involved.
Awesome 

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#644594

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-05 18:13 +0000
Message-ID<om51rv$6n8$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#644587
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> "critical, it is the relationship between the time and spatial 
> derivatives of the displacement that is critical. Without that 
> mathematical relationship, the presence of the medium would mean nothing. "
> Time.
> You discovered that Time is involved.
> Awesome 
> 

I didn't discover it. It's been known for 3 centuries. 
Also, a bit more nailed down than "time is involved".

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#644597

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-05 11:40 -0700
Message-ID<8d8a8967-a99f-4d46-8fcb-17a9379bf7e9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#644594
Odd
"
I didn't discover it. It's been known for 3 centuries. 
Also, a bit more nailed down than "time is involved". 
"

Good job.
Math is still not reality.
Zero volume is still impossible.
Zero size is still impossible (or 'infinitely small').
Structure is still required for objects.
As you were.

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#644599

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-05 18:45 +0000
Message-ID<om53oa$9kb$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#644597
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> "
> I didn't discover it. It's been known for 3 centuries. 
> Also, a bit more nailed down than "time is involved". 
> "
> 
> Good job.
> Math is still not reality.
> Zero volume is still impossible.
> Zero size is still impossible (or 'infinitely small').

Prove that.

> Structure is still required for objects.

 Prove that.  

> As you were.
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#644600

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-05 11:57 -0700
Message-ID<332fea5f-7d40-4b7d-a5c8-cdee475697fa@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#644599
Odd
"e that. 

> Structure is still required for objects. 

 Prove that.   "

This guy wants me to prove that
his imaginary friend is not real.
:)
He's  real if you believe he is, Odd.
Remember to take your pills.

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