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Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars.

Started by"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com>
First post2017-07-03 08:31 -0400
Last post2017-07-26 14:08 -0400
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  Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-03 08:31 -0400
    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-07-03 09:04 -0400
    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 06:31 -0700
      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-03 08:37 -0500
      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-06 15:21 -0400
        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 13:14 -0700
        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 08:00 -0700
          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-07 15:34 -0400
            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 14:03 -0700
              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-07 17:22 -0400
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 15:19 -0700
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 17:01 -0700
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-09 12:49 -0400
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-09 23:26 -0500
          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 20:04 -0500
            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 07:32 -0700
              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-10 12:21 -0500
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-10 17:35 +0000
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-10 16:10 -0400
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-10 17:40 -0400
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-10 17:22 -0500
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-10 19:49 -0400
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2017-07-13 20:17 +0000
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-13 21:42 +0000
                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-13 20:53 -0400
                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 02:05 +0000
                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-13 23:25 -0700
    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-03 17:04 +0000
      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-03 14:04 -0400
        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-03 18:28 +0000
          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-03 16:14 -0400
            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-03 20:57 +0000
              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 16:14 -0700
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-04 00:45 +0000
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 20:11 -0700
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-04 04:55 +0000
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 02:29 -0700
              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 06:49 +0100
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-04 18:02 +0000
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-07-04 22:59 -0400
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 04:51 +0000
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-07-04 21:33 -0700
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 07:16 +0100
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 16:47 +0000
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 11:08 -0700
                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-05 21:02 -0400
                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 19:12 -0700
                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-05 22:16 -0400
                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 23:30 -0700
                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 09:35 +0100
                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 10:05 -0700
                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-06 21:20 -0400
                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-07 08:03 -0500
                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-06 21:19 -0400
                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-06 13:09 -0500
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 23:05 -0700
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 10:52 -0700
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 18:07 +0000
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-05 14:21 -0500
                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 19:34 +0000
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 15:32 -0700
                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 23:00 +0000
                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 10:12 -0700
                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-06 13:15 -0500
                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 06:20 -0700
                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-07 09:39 -0500
                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 08:11 -0700
                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-07 14:13 -0500
                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-06 20:04 +0000
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-04 20:08 -0600
              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-04 09:11 -0400
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-07-04 11:47 -0400
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-04 18:19 +0000
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-07-04 23:04 -0400
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 04:56 +0000
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 23:16 -0700
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-04 18:12 +0000
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 07:20 +0100
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 16:54 +0000
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-05 18:42 -0400
                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 23:07 +0000
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 09:30 +0100
                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-06 06:35 -0400
                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-06 16:34 +0000
                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-06 21:25 -0400
                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-07 04:56 +0000
                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 02:09 -0700
                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-07 20:18 -0400
                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 06:19 +0100
                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-07 17:13 +0000
                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 06:49 +0100
                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-08 17:13 +0000
                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 07:12 +0100
                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-09 17:44 +0000
                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 12:48 -0700
                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-09 23:27 -0500
                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 07:11 +0100
                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-10 16:30 +0000
                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 06:49 +0100
                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-11 17:47 +0000
                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 13:15 -0700
                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-11 16:27 -0400
                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 14:46 -0700
                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-11 18:36 -0400
                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 18:20 -0700
                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-11 21:31 -0400
                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-11 22:12 +0000
                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2017-07-11 19:01 -0400
                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-12 02:24 +0000
                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 22:44 -0700
                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-12 10:24 -0400
                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-13 20:57 -0400
                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-13 23:17 -0700
                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-14 17:42 -0400
                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-14 16:11 -0700
                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 18:21 -0700
                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-12 07:28 -0400
                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-12 05:10 -0700
                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-12 17:45 +0000
                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-12 18:39 -0500
                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-12 21:29 -0700
                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-13 20:27 -0500
                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-13 23:22 -0700
                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-14 11:55 -0500
                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-13 21:01 -0400
                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 02:11 +0000
                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-13 22:56 -0400
                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 05:03 +0000
                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-14 17:50 -0400
                                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 23:49 +0000
                                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-14 23:04 -0400
                                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-15 05:02 +0000
                                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-15 08:51 -0400
                                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-15 17:23 +0000
                                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-15 18:08 -0400
                                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 02:02 +0000
                                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-16 12:53 -0600
                                                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 13:04 -0500
                                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-16 09:51 -0400
                                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-16 11:04 -0500
                                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 17:55 +0000
                                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-16 16:15 -0400
                                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 20:26 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-16 15:32 -0600
                                                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 22:08 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-07-16 15:21 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 22:53 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-16 17:00 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 09:06 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-17 20:23 -0400
                                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-16 15:27 -0600
                                                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-16 17:39 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-07-17 09:46 -0400
                                                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 22:16 +0000
                                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-07-16 13:04 -0500
                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-12 07:04 +0100
                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-12 17:48 +0000
                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-13 06:50 +0100
                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-13 17:29 +0000
                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-14 05:51 +0100
                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 05:11 +0000
                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-15 06:36 +0100
                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-15 00:27 -0600
                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-15 08:52 -0400
                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-16 06:40 +0100
                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-16 16:02 -0400
                                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-17 06:02 +0100
                                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-17 20:31 -0400
                                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-18 06:32 +0100
                                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-18 21:10 -0400
                                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 05:08 +0100
                                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-19 20:17 -0400
                                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-20 01:11 +0000
                                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 06:23 +0100
                                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 03:35 -0700
                                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 05:56 +0100
                                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-20 10:18 -0500
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#638597 — Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars.

From"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com>
Date2017-07-03 08:31 -0400
SubjectTowards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars.
Message-ID<ojdd7h$4li$1@dont-email.me>
An article from 2015:

3-D-printed car could hit streets next year. Chris Woodyard, USA TODAY 4:48 
p.m. EST November 12, 2015
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/11/10/3d-printed-car-local-motors-swim/75530830/

Several companies have come out with what they call "3D-printed" cars, but 
none have 3D-printed the most important part, the engine.

This would be difficult to do with an internal combustion engine, with its 
high temperatures, multiple moving parts, and high tolerances.

But it shouldn't be too difficult with an electric engine. In fact 
considering there are now miniature 3D-printers on the market for the home, 
an amateur could be the first to produce an entire, scale-size, 3D-printed 
car.
And then it could be scaled up to produce a full-size, working, fully 
3D-printed automobile.

This would revolutionize the industry, obviously.

The two most difficult parts would be the engine and the transmission.

This video shows how you can make your own simple electric motor:

How to Make an Electric Motor at Home - YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p2QTE26VOA

Looking at the steps in the video, it appears they could all be accomplished 
by 3D-printing.


  Bob Clark

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#638599

Frombitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net>
Date2017-07-03 09:04 -0400
Message-ID<5hr6B.159800$qL3.83502@fx34.iad>
In reply to#638597
On 07/03/2017 08:31 AM, Robert Clark wrote:

> But it shouldn't be too difficult with an electric engine. In fact 
> considering there are now miniature 3D-printers on the market for the 
> home, an amateur could be the first to produce an entire, scale-size, 
> 3D-printed car.
> And then it could be scaled up to produce a full-size, working, fully 
> 3D-printed automobile.

For a hobbyist trying to design/build their own electric vehicle 
acquiring or fabricating the chassis is literally the least difficult 
part of the job. Why would you want to make it _more_ difficult

> This video shows how you can make your own simple electric motor:
> 
> How to Make an Electric Motor at Home - YouTube.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p2QTE26VOA

Why bother, it's not like high performance electric motors are rare.

> Looking at the steps in the video, it appears they could all be 
> accomplished by 3D-printing.

Insisting that every part of a homebrew EV also be 3D printed at home 
from one's personal 3D printer is a tits-on-a-bull project for turbodorks.

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#638603

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-03 06:31 -0700
Message-ID<28d44583-5e03-4d74-89ab-16adb8d2e2c1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#638597
On Monday, July 3, 2017 at 8:31:23 AM UTC-4, Robert Clark wrote:
> An article from 2015:
> 
> 3-D-printed car could hit streets next year. Chris Woodyard, USA TODAY 4:48 
> p.m. EST November 12, 2015
> http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/11/10/3d-printed-car-local-motors-swim/75530830/
> 
> Several companies have come out with what they call "3D-printed" cars, but 
> none have 3D-printed the most important part, the engine.
> 
> This would be difficult to do with an internal combustion engine, with its 
> high temperatures, multiple moving parts, and high tolerances.

Difficult, but not impossible. NASA has done 3-d printing of rocket
combustion chambers.
> 
> But it shouldn't be too difficult with an electric engine. In fact 
> considering there are now miniature 3D-printers on the market for the home, 
> an amateur could be the first to produce an entire, scale-size, 3D-printed 
> car.

Electric motor is MUCH more difficult. You must deal with close
tolerance of TWO very different materials. All of the wires
consist of a metallic core and a thin insulator sheath.


> And then it could be scaled up to produce a full-size, working, fully 
> 3D-printed automobile.
> 
> This would revolutionize the industry, obviously.
> 
> The two most difficult parts would be the engine and the transmission.
> 
> This video shows how you can make your own simple electric motor:
[]
> Looking at the steps in the video, it appears they could all be 
> accomplished by 3D-printing.

not the wiring! (at lease not by the 3-d printers available today)

Sorry, but your dream will have to wait.

ed

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#638604

FromSегg io <innvalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-07-03 08:37 -0500
Message-ID<ojdhaa$eav$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#638603
On 7/3/2017 8:31 AM, Edward Prochak wrote:
> On Monday, July 3, 2017 at 8:31:23 AM UTC-4, Robert Clark wrote:
>> An article from 2015:
>>
>> 3-D-printed car could hit streets next year. Chris Woodyard, USA TODAY 4:48
>> p.m. EST November 12, 2015
>> http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/11/10/3d-printed-car-local-motors-swim/75530830/
>>
>> Several companies have come out with what they call "3D-printed" cars, but
>> none have 3D-printed the most important part, the engine.
>>
>> This would be difficult to do with an internal combustion engine, with its
>> high temperatures, multiple moving parts, and high tolerances.
> 
> Difficult, but not impossible. NASA has done 3-d printing of rocket
> combustion chambers.

   some are "printing" with titanium.

>>
>> But it shouldn't be too difficult with an electric engine. In fact
>> considering there are now miniature 3D-printers on the market for the home,
>> an amateur could be the first to produce an entire, scale-size, 3D-printed
>> car.
> 
> Electric motor is MUCH more difficult. You must deal with close
> tolerance of TWO very different materials. All of the wires
> consist of a metallic core and a thin insulator sheath.

Tesla has automated electric motor fabrication, much cheaper than 
"printing" a motor.  Excellent video on it somewhere.

> 
> 
>> And then it could be scaled up to produce a full-size, working, fully
>> 3D-printed automobile.
>>
>> This would revolutionize the industry, obviously.

no,  the cost is too high, the process too slow.

>>
>> The two most difficult parts would be the engine and the transmission.
>>
>> This video shows how you can make your own simple electric motor:
> []
>> Looking at the steps in the video, it appears they could all be
>> accomplished by 3D-printing.
> 
> not the wiring! (at lease not by the 3-d printers available today)
> 
> Sorry, but your dream will have to wait.
> 
> ed
> 

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#639140

From"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com>
Date2017-07-06 15:21 -0400
Message-ID<ojm2c6$u33$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#638603
On Monday, July 3, 2017 at 8:31:23 AM UTC-4, Robert Clark wrote:
>> An article from 2015:
>>
>> 3-D-printed car could hit streets next year. Chris Woodyard, USA TODAY 
>> 4:48
>> p.m. EST November 12, 2015
>> http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/11/10/3d-printed-car-local-motors-swim/75530830/
>>
>> Several companies have come out with what they call "3D-printed" cars, 
>> but
>> none have 3D-printed the most important part, the engine.
>>
>> This would be difficult to do with an internal combustion engine, with 
>> its
>> high temperatures, multiple moving parts, and high tolerances.
>
>Difficult, but not impossible. NASA has done 3-d printing of rocket
>combustion chambers.
>>
>> But it shouldn't be too difficult with an electric engine. In fact
>> considering there are now miniature 3D-printers on the market for the 
>> home,
>> an amateur could be the first to produce an entire, scale-size, 
>> 3D-printed
>> car.
>
>Electric motor is MUCH more difficult. You must deal with close
>tolerance of TWO very different materials. All of the wires
>consist of a metallic core and a thin insulator sheath.
>
>
>> And then it could be scaled up to produce a full-size, working, fully
>> 3D-printed automobile.
>>
>> This would revolutionize the industry, obviously.
>>
>> The two most difficult parts would be the engine and the transmission.
>>
>> This video shows how you can make your own simple electric motor:
>[]
>> Looking at the steps in the video, it appears they could all be
>> accomplished by 3D-printing.
>
>not the wiring! (at lease not by the 3-d printers available today)
>
>Sorry, but your dream will have to wait.
>
>ed
>
>---

Here's a video of showing the operation of a gas engine:

EXACTLY how a car engine works - 3D animation !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfTX88Sv4I8

It's complex in its construction and operation. It requires high 
temperatures and high pressures. Moreover, the multiple pistons moving at 
high speed within the cylinders require tight tolerances.

The DC electric engine I linked in the first post in this thread is 
significantly simpler. Actually, the Tesla uses an AC electric motor, just a 
little more complicated in its construction, but it has an advantage in not 
needing permanent magnets.

Another advantage of the electric cars both using DC and AC motors is that 
they don't need a multi-gear transmissions. This is also a significant 
simplification.

Here's a video describing the electric motor of the Tesla and its single 
speed transmission:

How does an Electric Car work ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SAxXUIre28

About the copper wire winding, ideally, you would want the entire car to be 
3D-printed, but you could have most of the electric motor be 3D printed and 
the copper wire windings placed separately.

For the "binder jetting method" of metal 3D-printing, most similar to the 
method amateurs use for plastic 3D-printing, it would be difficult to create 
also the wire windings at the same time as the electric motor. The reason is 
it requires an additional step of heating at high temperature and the wire 
insulation would melt. Perhaps there could be used high temperature ceramic 
coating for the wires.

Other methods for 3D-metal printing such as electron beam and laser 
deposition do not require this extra step of furnace heating so should be 
able to do the copper wire winding, assuming the 3D-printer has the 
capability of rapidly switching out the material being deposited between 
metal and plastic as needed, or perhaps using separate print heads for each 
material.

For instance, if you imagine a horizontal slice through the electric motor. 
You would have wire insulation, then the copper wire, then insulation, then 
copper wire, and this pattern would be repeated, then you would have the 
core, then the insulation, copper pattern repeated again. A 3D-printing 
method that could rapidly switch between depositing metal and plastic 
insulation material should be able to do this.


    Bob Clark


----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Finally, nanotechnology can now fulfill its potential to revolutionize 
21st-century technology, from the space elevator, to private, orbital 
launchers, to 'flying cars'.
This crowdfunding campaign is to prove it:

Nanotech: from air to space.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/nanotech-from-air-to-space/x/13319568/
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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#639150

FromFred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-06 13:14 -0700
Message-ID<sd6tlcpjlanf844228ntcgpc8r6lp9k4q4@4ax.com>
In reply to#639140
"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, July 3, 2017 at 8:31:23 AM UTC-4, Robert Clark wrote:
>>> An article from 2015:
>>>
>>> 3-D-printed car could hit streets next year. Chris Woodyard, USA TODAY 
>>> 4:48
>>> p.m. EST November 12, 2015
>>> http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/11/10/3d-printed-car-local-motors-swim/75530830/
>>>
>>> Several companies have come out with what they call "3D-printed" cars, 
>>> but
>>> none have 3D-printed the most important part, the engine.
>>>
>>> This would be difficult to do with an internal combustion engine, with 
>>> its
>>> high temperatures, multiple moving parts, and high tolerances.
>>
>>Difficult, but not impossible. NASA has done 3-d printing of rocket
>>combustion chambers.
>>

Cite?  I don't believe that's true. 


-- 
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable 
 man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, 
 all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
                                      --George Bernard Shaw

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#639298

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-07 08:00 -0700
Message-ID<872d8bf9-b056-4ba6-aec3-a537fbf2fc4a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639140
On Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 3:21:21 PM UTC-4, Robert Clark wrote:
[]
> 
> Here's a video of showing the operation of a gas engine:
> 
> EXACTLY how a car engine works - 3D animation !
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfTX88Sv4I8
> 
> It's complex in its construction and operation. It requires high 
> temperatures and high pressures. Moreover, the multiple pistons moving at 
> high speed within the cylinders require tight tolerances.

So 3-d printing can handle the tight tolerances of a complete electric
car but not a combustion engine? You cannot have it both ways.
> 
> The DC electric engine I linked in the first post in this thread is 
> significantly simpler. Actually, the Tesla uses an AC electric motor, just a 
> little more complicated in its construction, but it has an advantage in not 
> needing permanent magnets.
> 
> Another advantage of the electric cars both using DC and AC motors is that 
> they don't need a multi-gear transmissions. This is also a significant 
> simplification.

true, but electric motors are much more complex than
combustion motors.

> 
> Here's a video describing the electric motor of the Tesla and its single 
> speed transmission:

irrelevant.
> 
> About the copper wire winding, ideally, you would want the entire car to be 
> 3D-printed, but you could have most of the electric motor be 3D printed and 
> the copper wire windings placed separately.

Hmm. Abandoned your dream already. I'm not saying its a bad dream.
I'm just pointing out it is a long way out there.

BTW same could be done for combustion engine vehicles.
Apply 3-d printing where it provides the greatest advantage
is the next stage of development. Currently 3-d printing
is mainly used for prototypes.
> 
> For the "binder jetting method" of metal 3D-printing, most similar to the 
> method amateurs use for plastic 3D-printing, it would be difficult to create 
> also the wire windings at the same time as the electric motor. The reason is 
> it requires an additional step of heating at high temperature and the wire 
> insulation would melt. Perhaps there could be used high temperature ceramic 
> coating for the wires.

That may be a long term solution. About 50 years or more, I guess.

> 
> Other methods for 3D-metal printing such as electron beam and laser 
> deposition do not require this extra step of furnace heating so should be 
> able to do the copper wire winding, assuming the 3D-printer has the 
> capability of rapidly switching out the material being deposited between 
> metal and plastic as needed, or perhaps using separate print heads for each 
> material.

Separate print heads assumes an inkjet model. These deposition methods
do not have print heads. they lay down a layer of powder and then melt it
where it needs to form the image.

> 
> For instance, if you imagine a horizontal slice through the electric motor. 
> You would have wire insulation, then the copper wire, then insulation, then 
> copper wire, and this pattern would be repeated, then you would have the 
> core, then the insulation, copper pattern repeated again. A 3D-printing 
> method that could rapidly switch between depositing metal and plastic 
> insulation material should be able to do this.
> 

I can imaging it at a conceptual level. I cannot see how to
implement it at a practical level. Ink jet printers spit out
precise amount of ink because of the properties of the ink
(water based, using heat to boil out a precise drop).

Assuming you can route molten metal to a print head nozzle,
I cannot see at this point how to keep it molten down to
a tip the size needed for the precision required. And then
dispense precise volume of molten metal.

There just has to be another way.

I do admire your enthusiasm though.
ed
> 
>     Bob Clark
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Finally, nanotechnology can now fulfill its potential to revolutionize 
> 21st-century technology, from the space elevator, to private, orbital 
> launchers, to 'flying cars'.
> This crowdfunding campaign is to prove it:
> 
> Nanotech: from air to space.
> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/nanotech-from-air-to-space/x/13319568/
> ---------------------------------------------------

PS
Current 3-d printing tech is not nanotech IMHO.  ed

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#639328

From"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com>
Date2017-07-07 15:34 -0400
Message-ID<ojonhe$6t4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#639298
...
>
>Separate print heads assumes an inkjet model. These deposition methods
>do not have print heads. they lay down a layer of powder and then melt it
>where it needs to form the image.
>

The Desktop Metal system is more akin to inkjet printing and does not use 
powders:

Desktop Metal Production System.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUOCiRktuCo


  Bob Clark

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Finally, nanotechnology can now fulfill its potential to revolutionize 
21st-century technology, from the space elevator, to private, orbital 
launchers, to 'flying cars'.
This crowdfunding campaign is to prove it:

Nanotech: from air to space.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/nanotech-from-air-to-space/x/13319568/
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

--  

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#639339

FromFred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-07 14:03 -0700
Message-ID<jitvlc1brvjkuo4a9d5lip89kb7j9tqsk4@4ax.com>
In reply to#639328
"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> wrote:

>...
>>
>>Separate print heads assumes an inkjet model. These deposition methods
>>do not have print heads. they lay down a layer of powder and then melt it
>>where it needs to form the image.
>>
>
>The Desktop Metal system is more akin to inkjet printing and does not use 
>powders:
>
>Desktop Metal Production System.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUOCiRktuCo
>

Uh, Bob?  The video says it uses powders.


-- 
"Well, I met a girl in West Hollywood.  I ain't naming names.
 She really worked me over good.  She was just like Jesse James.
 She really worked me over good.  She was a credit to her gender.
 She put me through some changes, Lord.  
 Sort of like a Waring blender."
                  -- Warren Zevon, "Poor, Poor, Pitiful Me"

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#639347

From"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com>
Date2017-07-07 17:22 -0400
Message-ID<ojotqt$s4p$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#639339
"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> wrote:
>
>>...
>>>
>>>Separate print heads assumes an inkjet model. These deposition methods
>>>do not have print heads. they lay down a layer of powder and then melt it
>>>where it needs to form the image.
>>>
>>
>>The Desktop Metal system is more akin to inkjet printing and does not use
>>powders:
>>
>>Desktop Metal Production System.
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUOCiRktuCo
>>
>
>Uh, Bob?  The video says it uses powders.
>
>

Bound into solid rods with a binder similar to the solid rods used for 
plastic 3D-printing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fused_deposition_modeling


  Bob Clark
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#639360

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-07 15:19 -0700
Message-ID<25224489-d932-4d95-a876-0961e546d014@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639347
On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 5:22:15 PM UTC-4, Robert Clark wrote:
> "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>...
> >>>
> >>>Separate print heads assumes an inkjet model. These deposition methods
> >>>do not have print heads. they lay down a layer of powder and then melt it
> >>>where it needs to form the image.
> >>>
> >>
> >>The Desktop Metal system is more akin to inkjet printing and does not use
> >>powders:
> >>
> >>Desktop Metal Production System.
> >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUOCiRktuCo
> >>
> >
> >Uh, Bob?  The video says it uses powders.
> >
> >
> 
> Bound into solid rods with a binder similar to the solid rods used for 
> plastic 3D-printing:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fused_deposition_modeling
> 
> 
>   Bob Clark
> --

Uh, Bob. Are you even watching the same video you posted?
No solid rods mentioned.

It does look interesting. It did not mention what metals
are used. Or the scale (maximum sized part).

 I do see that ink jetting the binder as a pretty
innovative idea. I am not sure how it will work on
large parts (heating evenly will be difficult).

ed

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#639367

FromFred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-07 17:01 -0700
Message-ID<n580mclj3po64m6ndkdf4jb5usvrsl9s2f@4ax.com>
In reply to#639347
"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> wrote:

>"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>...
>>>>
>>>>Separate print heads assumes an inkjet model. These deposition methods
>>>>do not have print heads. they lay down a layer of powder and then melt it
>>>>where it needs to form the image.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The Desktop Metal system is more akin to inkjet printing and does not use
>>>powders:
>>>
>>>Desktop Metal Production System.
>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUOCiRktuCo
>>>
>>
>>Uh, Bob?  The video says it uses powders.
>>
>
>Bound into solid rods with a binder similar to the solid rods used for 
>plastic 3D-printing:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fused_deposition_modeling
>

Bob, go watch your original video.  Much about powder spreaders.
Nothing about solid rods.  


-- 
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
 territory."
                                      --G. Behn

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#639590

From"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com>
Date2017-07-09 12:49 -0400
Message-ID<ojtmjd$taq$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#639367
"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> wrote:
>
>>"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>...
>>>>>
>>>>>Separate print heads assumes an inkjet model. These deposition methods
>>>>>do not have print heads. they lay down a layer of powder and then melt 
>>>>>it
>>>>>where it needs to form the image.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The Desktop Metal system is more akin to inkjet printing and does not 
>>>>use
>>>>powders:
>>>>
>>>>Desktop Metal Production System.
>>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUOCiRktuCo
>>>>
>>>
>>>Uh, Bob?  The video says it uses powders.
>>>
>>
>>Bound into solid rods with a binder similar to the solid rods used for
>>plastic 3D-printing:
>>
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fused_deposition_modeling
>>
>
>Bob, go watch your original video.  Much about powder spreaders.
>Nothing about solid rods.
>
>

Ok, sorry. There is a difference between the Desktop Metal Studio system and 
the Desktop Metal Production system. Their studio system is meant to be used 
in an office setting and both the metal powder and the binder are combined 
together into solid rods. DM's chief technology officer makes the point this 
was done for safety reasons to be used for prototyping in an office setting:

Metal additive manufacturing--using a desktop 3D printer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZehOWpZPITk

DM's production system however is for rapid, volume production and is meant 
for an industrial, factory setting and the binder and the metal powder are 
laid down separately.

  Bob Clark


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#639699

FromSегg io <innvalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-07-09 23:26 -0500
Message-ID<ojuvm9$19i4$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#639590
On 7/9/2017 11:49 AM, Robert Clark wrote:
> "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Separate print heads assumes an inkjet model. These deposition 
>>>>>> methods
>>>>>> do not have print heads. they lay down a layer of powder and then 
>>>>>> melt it
>>>>>> where it needs to form the image.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Desktop Metal system is more akin to inkjet printing and does 
>>>>> not use
>>>>> powders:

>>>>> Desktop Metal Production System.
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUOCiRktuCo
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Uh, Bob?  The video says it uses powders.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Bound into solid rods with a binder similar to the solid rods used for
>>> plastic 3D-printing:
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fused_deposition_modeling

>>
>> Bob, go watch your original video.  Much about powder spreaders.
>> Nothing about solid rods.
>>
>>
> 
> Ok, sorry. There is a difference between the Desktop Metal Studio system 
> and the Desktop Metal Production system. Their studio system is meant to 
> be used in an office setting and both the metal powder and the binder 
> are combined together into solid rods. DM's chief technology officer 
> makes the point this was done for safety reasons to be used for 
> prototyping in an office setting:
> 
> Metal additive manufacturing--using a desktop 3D printer.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZehOWpZPITk
> 
> DM's production system however is for rapid, volume production and is 
> meant for an industrial, factory setting and the binder and the metal 
> powder are laid down separately.
> 
>   Bob Clark
> 
> 

video is excellent!

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#639513

FromLofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-08 20:04 -0500
Message-ID<4703mc9v3atga6g14ja3jca4sdv7gppkpq@4ax.com>
In reply to#639298
On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 08:00:04 -0700 (PDT), Edward Prochak
<edprochak@gmail.com> wrote:

>... electric motors are much more complex than combustion motors....

What measure of complexity are you using?

-- 
Goat

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#639735

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-10 07:32 -0700
Message-ID<2558441d-cc08-4951-9bbd-69bf5e0ed331@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639513
On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 9:04:04 PM UTC-4, Lofty Goat wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 08:00:04 -0700 (PDT), Edward Prochak
> <edprochak@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >... electric motors are much more complex than combustion motors....
> 
> What measure of complexity are you using?
> 
> -- 
> Goat

This is in the context of 3-d printing. The mixture of materials
makes electric motors much more complex than combustion engines.
combustion engines are all metal.
electric motors have metal and insulating material.
That's the measure.
ed

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#639763

FromSегg io <innvalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-07-10 12:21 -0500
Message-ID<ok0d23$1jer$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#639735
On 7/10/2017 9:32 AM, Edward Prochak wrote:
> On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 9:04:04 PM UTC-4, Lofty Goat wrote:
>> On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 08:00:04 -0700 (PDT), Edward Prochak
>> <edprochak@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ... electric motors are much more complex than combustion motors....
>>
>> What measure of complexity are you using?
>>
>> -- 
>> Goat
> 
> This is in the context of 3-d printing. The mixture of materials
> makes electric motors much more complex than combustion engines.
> combustion engines are all metal.
> electric motors have metal and insulating material.
> That's the measure.
> ed
> 

you have low temp melting materials, adjacent to high temp melting 
materials.

How do you print an insulated length of round wire from a normal 
direction to its axis ?  assume copper and teflon.

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#639776

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2017-07-10 17:35 +0000
Message-ID<tfqc3e-q7c.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#639763
Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 7/10/2017 9:32 AM, Edward Prochak wrote:
>> On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 9:04:04 PM UTC-4, Lofty Goat wrote:
>>> On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 08:00:04 -0700 (PDT), Edward Prochak
>>> <edprochak@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ... electric motors are much more complex than combustion motors....
>>>
>>> What measure of complexity are you using?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Goat
>> 
>> This is in the context of 3-d printing. The mixture of materials
>> makes electric motors much more complex than combustion engines.
>> combustion engines are all metal.
>> electric motors have metal and insulating material.
>> That's the measure.
>> ed
>> 
> 
> you have low temp melting materials, adjacent to high temp melting 
> materials.
> 
> How do you print an insulated length of round wire from a normal 
> direction to its axis ?  assume copper and teflon.

For starters you can not print teflon.


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#639790

From"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com>
Date2017-07-10 16:10 -0400
Message-ID<ok0mov$prr$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#639763
On 7/10/2017 9:32 AM, Edward Prochak wrote:
>> On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 9:04:04 PM UTC-4, Lofty Goat wrote:
>>> On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 08:00:04 -0700 (PDT), Edward Prochak
>>> <edprochak@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ... electric motors are much more complex than combustion motors....
>>>
>>> What measure of complexity are you using?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Goat
>>
>> This is in the context of 3-d printing. The mixture of materials
>> makes electric motors much more complex than combustion engines.
>> combustion engines are all metal.
>> electric motors have metal and insulating material.
>> That's the measure.
>> ed
>>
>
>you have low temp melting materials, adjacent to high temp melting 
>materials.
>
>How do you print an insulated length of round wire from a normal direction 
>to its axis ?  assume copper and teflon.
>
>---

Ceramics have been used as insulators from the early days of electricity:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceramic_capacitor#History

Many ceramics also have high temperature resistance. The most important 
reason plastic is used for wire insulation is that wire commonly has to be 
bent to different directions. However, that wouldn't be required for the 
wire deposited in place.

For deposition of insulated wire at right angles to the wire axis, when 
deposited in horizontal slices, it would have the appearance of  insulation, 
then wire, insulation, then insulation, then wire, etc.

  Bob Clark

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#639807

From"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com>
Date2017-07-10 17:40 -0400
Message-ID<ok0s0l$aj6$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#639763
On 7/10/2017 9:32 AM, Edward Prochak wrote:
>> On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 9:04:04 PM UTC-4, Lofty Goat wrote:
>>> On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 08:00:04 -0700 (PDT), Edward Prochak
>>> <edprochak@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ... electric motors are much more complex than combustion motors....
>>>
>>> What measure of complexity are you using?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Goat
>>
>> This is in the context of 3-d printing. The mixture of materials
>> makes electric motors much more complex than combustion engines.
>> combustion engines are all metal.
>> electric motors have metal and insulating material.
>> That's the measure.
>> ed
>>
>
>you have low temp melting materials, adjacent to high temp melting 
>materials.
>
>How do you print an insulated length of round wire from a normal direction 
>to its axis ?  assume copper and teflon.
>
>---

The possibility of 3D-printing insulated wiring could be tested by first 
testing in plastics. Plastic 3D-printing does have the capability of 
printing with different materials side by side:

How It's Used - Multi-Materials with PolyJet.
http://www.stratasys.com/solutions/additive-manufacturing/multi-material-3d-printing

The key point that needs to be tested is if there could be 3D-printed 
multiple coils of a "wire" with one material inside the emulating the copper 
with a different material on the outside emulating the insulation.


  Bob Clark

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Finally, nanotechnology can now fulfill its potential to revolutionize 
21st-century technology, from the space elevator, to private, orbital 
launchers, to 'flying cars'.
This crowdfunding campaign is to prove it:

Nanotech: from air to space.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/nanotech-from-air-to-space/x/13319568/
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