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Galaxy and Black Holes Relate

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  Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-06-28 20:25 -0700
    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-06-28 22:19 -0700
    Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-06-29 05:44 -0700
      Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Graveyard Vandal <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-29 06:08 -0700
    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-06-29 15:24 -0700
      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 02:31 -0700
        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 02:37 -0700
          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 11:36 +0000
          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 05:15 -0700
            Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-30 17:50 +0000
              Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 15:12 -0700
                Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-01 04:14 +0000
                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-07-01 01:46 -0400
                Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 06:10 -0700
                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 11:19 -0700
                    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 15:35 -0700
                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 11:27 -0700
                    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 19:13 -0700
                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 03:33 -0700
                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 07:39 -0700
                          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 10:23 -0700
                            Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 11:07 -0700
                              Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-05 02:01 +0000
                          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-05 01:58 +0000
                            Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 20:38 -0700
                              Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-05 03:54 +0000
                                Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 22:40 -0700
                                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 02:34 -0700
                                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-05 13:05 +0000
                                    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 06:32 -0700
                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 07:00 -0700
                                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 07:20 -0700
                                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-05 15:09 +0000
                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 12:30 -0500
                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 16:05 -0700
                                    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 08:03 -0700
                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-05 17:27 +0000
                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 12:32 -0500
                                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 12:29 -0500
                                    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 12:02 -0700
                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 12:13 -0700
                                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 14:36 -0500
                                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 16:17 -0700
                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 14:24 -0500
                                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 12:27 -0700
                                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 15:58 -0700
                              Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 09:34 -0700
                                Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-05 13:06 -0700
                              Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 12:20 -0500
                                Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 11:15 -0700
                                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-05 18:31 +0000
                                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 13:38 -0500
                                    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 14:36 -0700
                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-05 15:21 -0700
                                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 16:14 -0700
                                    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 09:59 -0700
                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-06 20:33 +0000
                                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 20:35 -0700
                                          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-08 07:17 +0000
                                            Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 06:16 -0700
                                              Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 01:49 +0000
                                                Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 18:52 -0700
                                                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 04:18 +0000
                                                    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 05:20 -0700
                                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 12:56 +0000
                                                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 06:32 -0700
                                                          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 17:19 +0000
                                                            Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 10:27 -0700
                                                            Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 09:57 -0700
                                                Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-07-08 20:14 -0700
                                                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 20:22 -0700
                                                    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 07:06 -0700
                                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 07:19 -0700
                                                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 07:27 -0700
                                                          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 17:21 +0000
                                                            Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 10:37 -0700
                                                              Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-10 02:06 +0000
                                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 08:03 -0700
                                                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-10 18:15 -0400
                                                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 04:15 +0000
                                                    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-07-09 12:58 -0700
                                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 18:26 -0700
                                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-10 01:53 +0000
                                                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-07-09 19:34 -0700
                                                          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-07-12 13:45 -0700
                                              Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 09:53 -0700
                                          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 06:18 -0700
                                            Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 12:04 -0700
                                              Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 18:49 -0700
                                              Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 01:58 +0000
                                                Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 19:12 -0700
                                                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 19:38 -0700
                                                    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 04:04 +0000
                                          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 09:49 -0700
                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 08:27 -0700
                                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 10:33 -0700
                                          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-07 10:47 -0700
                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 07:47 -0700
                                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 08:01 -0700
                                          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 10:15 -0700
                                            Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 11:48 -0700
                                              Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 14:30 -0700
                                                Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 18:18 -0700
                          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 15:48 -0700
                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 15:47 -0700
                    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 15:46 -0700
          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 06:34 -0700
    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-07-05 15:09 -0700
      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 15:11 -0700
        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-06 15:22 -0700
    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 10:33 -0700
      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-09 10:46 -0700
      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 11:14 -0700
        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-09 13:33 -0700
      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 11:37 -0700
        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-10 18:19 -0400
      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 12:20 -0700

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#639627

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2017-07-09 12:58 -0700
Message-ID<oju1ls$2rd$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#639543
On 7/8/2017 9:15 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
> "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes:
> 
>> Can't two galaxies merge together? Even if mostly empty, if their
>> central black holes get too close, they can eventually merge together?
> 
> Sure. They would transfer momentum to each other which slows them down
> I believe. If slowed enough, they could make another pass slowing more
> then they soon merge.

Thank you. The other passed should get them deeper and deeper into the 
attractors, and they go into a sort of "locked" in fate state?

Fwiw, here is a crappy little animation I made for two simulated 
"super-attracted" galaxies:

https://youtu.be/poXeq5V0dso

I used fractals and field lines to simulate this crude thing. The 
animation goes back and forth in time. Two galaxies get too close, and 
once that point happens, its too late. They will eventually start to 
orbit each over time. Before they finally merge, they might go into a 
sort of "orgasm" mode and emit hyper large shock waves that permeate 
space. New hyper large stars, are being born during this dance, 
providing food for smaller, starving black holes that were previously 
feeding off some of the dust lanes in the spiral arms. The small black 
holes get more food and speeds things up wrt orbits. Once the smaller 
black holes get bigger in the arms, the whole galaxy gets going faster.

I hope I did not go too far into the land of possible moron ville!

Sorry! ;^o

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#639678

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-09 18:26 -0700
Message-ID<e49f78be-f7ab-457f-a2f0-0221d20933da@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639627
Chris M. Thomasson
- hide quoted text -
On 7/8/2017 9:15 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: 
> "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes: 
> 
>> Can't two galaxies merge together? Even if mostly empty, if their 
>> central black holes get too close, they can eventually merge together? 
> 
> Sure. They would transfer momentum to each other which slows them down 
> I believe. If slowed enough, they could make another pass slowing more 
> then they soon merge. 

Thank you. The other passed should get them deeper and deeper into the 
attractors, and they go into a sort of "locked" in fate state? 

Fwiw, here is a crappy little animation I made for two simulated 
"super-attracted" galaxies: 

https://youtu.be/poXeq5V0dso --------

John. His spinny things are way better than yours. No offense

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#639682

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-07-10 01:53 +0000
Message-ID<ojummj$tt$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#639627
"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes:

>On 7/8/2017 9:15 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes:
>> 
>>> Can't two galaxies merge together? Even if mostly empty, if their
>>> central black holes get too close, they can eventually merge together?
>> 
>> Sure. They would transfer momentum to each other which slows them down
>> I believe. If slowed enough, they could make another pass slowing more
>> then they soon merge.

>Thank you. The other passed should get them deeper and deeper into the 
>attractors, and they go into a sort of "locked" in fate state?

>Fwiw, here is a crappy little animation I made for two simulated 
>"super-attracted" galaxies:

>https://youtu.be/poXeq5V0dso

I don't really think that has much to do with galaxies, esp. the idea of
galaxies reaching "orgasm" is...bizarre at best, but that is a cool
fractal animation. I like fractals and good animations.

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#639687

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2017-07-09 19:34 -0700
Message-ID<ojuos1$2dg$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#639682
On 7/9/2017 6:53 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
> "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes:
> 
>> On 7/8/2017 9:15 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>> "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> Can't two galaxies merge together? Even if mostly empty, if their
>>>> central black holes get too close, they can eventually merge together?
>>>
>>> Sure. They would transfer momentum to each other which slows them down
>>> I believe. If slowed enough, they could make another pass slowing more
>>> then they soon merge.
> 
>> Thank you. The other passed should get them deeper and deeper into the
>> attractors, and they go into a sort of "locked" in fate state?
> 
>> Fwiw, here is a crappy little animation I made for two simulated
>> "super-attracted" galaxies:
> 
>> https://youtu.be/poXeq5V0dso
> 
> I don't really think that has much to do with galaxies, esp. the idea of
> galaxies reaching "orgasm" is...bizarre at best, but that is a cool
> fractal animation. I like fractals and good animations.
The reason I mentioned "orgasm" is when the dance of two merging black 
holes seem to create large shock waves right before they ultimately 
merge. I agree it is a bad/crude term. Sorry about that non-sense.

Imvvvho, when the largest black holes in two galaxies passing through 
each other get too close to each other, they become attracted in a way 
that basically "seals their fate". These galaxies are most likely mated 
for life, in a sense. Perhaps, something along the lines of:

https://youtu.be/agqLEbOFT2A

Anyway, thank you for taking a look at my crude fractal animation Michael.

:^)

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#640234

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2017-07-12 13:45 -0700
Message-ID<ok61i8$em7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#639687
On 7/9/2017 7:34 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 7/9/2017 6:53 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> On 7/8/2017 9:15 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>> "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Can't two galaxies merge together? Even if mostly empty, if their
>>>>> central black holes get too close, they can eventually merge together?
>>>>
>>>> Sure. They would transfer momentum to each other which slows them down
>>>> I believe. If slowed enough, they could make another pass slowing more
>>>> then they soon merge.
>>
>>> Thank you. The other passed should get them deeper and deeper into the
>>> attractors, and they go into a sort of "locked" in fate state?
>>
>>> Fwiw, here is a crappy little animation I made for two simulated
>>> "super-attracted" galaxies:
>>
>>> https://youtu.be/poXeq5V0dso
>>
>> I don't really think that has much to do with galaxies, esp. the idea of
>> galaxies reaching "orgasm" is...bizarre at best, but that is a cool
>> fractal animation. I like fractals and good animations.
[...]
> Anyway, thank you for taking a look at my crude fractal animation Michael.

Fwiw, check this one out:

https://youtu.be/ffEXxcUNeOM

zooming in on a Julia set fractal to simulate two attractors in a dance.

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#639753

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-10 09:53 -0700
Message-ID<301fd0d3-d907-451f-8c20-9a10a5ee5d7f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639421
On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 9:16:09 AM UTC-4, john wrote:
> MM
> He was talking about emr.
> emr is a product of atoms.
> 
> Electromagnetic fields around atoms would
> be comparable to Cosmic Ray patterns around
> galaxies.

LOL.

You have no clue what you are saying!

I'm sorry, John. Every time I think I can help you
learn something, you either deliberately refuse
or fail to comprehend. Obviously I cannot help you.

Ed

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#639422

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-08 06:18 -0700
Message-ID<5b118e44-7a57-46dd-b151-c72abed93440@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639397
Poor John says
There you go again, deliberately misunderstanding his answer. " 

No I didn't. 
His answer was that electromagnetic effects 
on galaxies and atoms is different, so they 
couldn't be fractals of each other. 
Galaxies and atoms are obviously at different 
size scales. Therefore his answer is dumb. 
-----------

John no offense but in the sub atomic world, quantum mechanics rules all other factors. To include EM and gravity

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#639455

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-08 12:04 -0700
Message-ID<41fcf68a-c68b-4551-8145-ab86fcb7a30f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639422
HVAC
"John no offense but in the sub atomic world, quantum mechanics rules all other factors. To include EM and gravity "

HVAC, no offense, but you are spouting gibberish
propaganda.

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#639522

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-08 18:49 -0700
Message-ID<2c00d89f-8ae4-4055-9696-fecbb345830c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639455
There can be three reasons that
one galaxy is red shifted versus another:
1. It is moving away
2. It is far away
3. It is intrinsically red shifted 

Halton Arp saw two galaxies of different 
red shifts connected by a star bridge that
was itself red shifted at the red galaxy end.

Comparing to atoms, this looks like positive
ion versus negative ion; the one with an extra
electron shares with its electron-poor fellow.

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#639525

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-07-09 01:58 +0000
Message-ID<ojs2k1$vb7$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#639455
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>HVAC
>"John no offense but in the sub atomic world, quantum mechanics rules all other factors. To include EM and gravity "

>HVAC, no offense, but you are spouting gibberish
>propaganda.

There is no reason for you to spew such nonsense such as calling it
"propaganda".   The fact is that if you correlate wavelength with
energy E=hc/lambda for an atom vs., say, a well-hit baseball, you'll
find for the atom the wavelength lambda for typical energies are
significant for the atom, but the well-hit baseball will have a
"wavelength" so small that it's irrelevant. The baseball doesn't
behave as a wave at all, but the atom it's different.  And there are
quantum effects such as electrons going into specific shells that have
no corresponding macroscopic equivalent.  And intrinsic spin of
an electron, proton etc. has no macroscopic equivalent whatsoever.

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#639528

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-08 19:12 -0700
Message-ID<2847a383-81db-41d3-9c34-8a2ffbf5348d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639525
MM
..".the atom it's different..."
Well, yes, from baseballs and from galaxies.

Are there photos of galaxies colliding where
their red shifts are different?

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#639533

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-08 19:38 -0700
Message-ID<1b98643b-ddd8-40b2-8a0f-88624fe4e7d9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639528
MM
Here you are:
From. 
 https://arxiv.org/html/astro-ph/9908269/section9.html

"Another very interesting statistical study with a narrow focus is Odewahn's (1994) study of 170 Magellanic spirals. These are very late-type (beyond Sc, Sd) spirals, that are typically gas-rich. Odewahn first applied an arm strength classification to each galaxy, and then noticed that virtually all of the 75 objects with "well classified asymmetric arms" had a companion within a few diameters. Moreover, the companion distances peaked at small separations, indicating that most are probably not chance alignments, but physical associations, and in most cases, interactions. Thus, a very large fraction of one particular type of galaxy exists in small collisional groups, and most of the members of this class have unbalanced spiral waves or bars."
Just like atoms sharing electrons

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#639540

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-07-09 04:04 +0000
Message-ID<ojsa13$nor$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#639533
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>Here you are:
>From.
> https://arxiv.org/html/astro-ph/9908269/section9.html

Good job, John! You found a web page describing the results of colliding
galaxies!

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#639749

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-10 09:49 -0700
Message-ID<5b0af5b8-0b7d-4ad7-8297-b95587bd82aa@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639397
On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 11:35:13 PM UTC-4, john wrote:
> MM
> "
> 
> There you go again, deliberately misunderstanding his answer. "
> 
> No I didn't.
> His answer was that electromagnetic effects
> on galaxies and atoms is different, so they
> couldn't be fractals of each other.

You are maybe getting close to understanding what I said.


> Galaxies and atoms are obviously at different
> size scales. Therefore his answer is dumb.

And therefore your analogy that they act
 the same must be dumb, correct?
ed
ed
ed
:)

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#639303

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-07 08:27 -0700
Message-ID<690131c5-ef99-4a19-a430-fa81e462ea4a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639122
On Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 1:00:00 PM UTC-4, john wrote:
> ed
> "Because they are small, they interact by different properties.
> In my other posts I tried to simplify it for you by only "
> 
> Light as compared to atoms is different than
> light as compared to galaxies.
> That's your argument?
> If they are fractals, then galaxies also have a form of light; possibly Quasars.
> 
> We're talking about atoms which cycle at 10-16 seconds,
> compared to galaxies, which cycle at 200 million years.
> Coincidentally, atoms are 10^31 times smaller,
> and cycle 10^31 times faster!
> Not a coincidence.
> 
> But, yes, OUR emr would have a different relationship 
> with each. So, what?

It is the So what where everything significant happens.
I gave you another chance to learn. You again passed it by.

Too bad.
  ed
---
If they knew, that we have got nothing to lose,
No reason to hide from what's true.

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#639316

From"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-07 10:33 -0700
Message-ID<655dc700-cec9-4fd7-a1a6-906eb4c8081f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639303
On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 8:27:06 AM UTC-7, Edward Prochak wrote:
> On Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 1:00:00 PM UTC-4, john wrote:
> > ed
> > "Because they are small, they interact by different properties.
> > In my other posts I tried to simplify it for you by only "
> > 
> > Light as compared to atoms is different than
> > light as compared to galaxies.
> > That's your argument?
> > If they are fractals, then galaxies also have a form of light; possibly Quasars.
> > 
> > We're talking about atoms which cycle at 10-16 seconds,
> > compared to galaxies, which cycle at 200 million years.
> > Coincidentally, atoms are 10^31 times smaller,
> > and cycle 10^31 times faster!
> > Not a coincidence.
> > 
> > But, yes, OUR emr would have a different relationship 
> > with each. So, what?
> 
> It is the So what where everything significant happens.
> I gave you another chance to learn. You again passed it by.
> 
> Too bad.
>   ed
> ---
> If they knew, that we have got nothing to lose,
> No reason to hide from what's true.

You can't have one without the other.Reality is BHs are the missing gravity.Oooops .There goes another theory.They do come in every size . They control the space they behold,and all the way to infinity.Not bad thinking on the very hot Friday morning for an old man.Trebert

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#639317

From"hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
Date2017-07-07 10:47 -0700
Message-ID<ojoh8n$hh7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#639316
Only <http://tinyurl.com/Loudmouth-Glazier-8Feb2017> [1], 
<http://tinyurl.com/The-Chosen-Graveyard-Vandal> will say:
"I, Glazier, love Anaheim" for Bert being dependent on its 
senior center, a public social worker & Govt. dole outs.
>
Glazier if you would not have lied, conned & stolen so much,
when you were in FL & Mass, you would be now the Kingpin,
and loudmouthing, in a plush, Jewish retirement community.
"Go figure, Glazier, till you get the picture, you filthy Swine.

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#639740

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-10 07:47 -0700
Message-ID<b4a38fce-6712-462b-a4a7-074bbba799cb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639122
On Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 1:00:00 PM UTC-4, john wrote:
> ed
> "Because they are small, they interact by different properties.
> In my other posts I tried to simplify it for you by only "
> 
> Light as compared to atoms is different than
> light as compared to galaxies.
> That's your argument?

One photon can move an atom, but even many photons do not move galaxies.

> If they are fractals, then galaxies also have a form of light; possibly Quasars.

What nonsense are you talking about??
> 
> We're talking about atoms which cycle at 10-16 seconds,
> compared to galaxies, which cycle at 200 million years.
> Coincidentally, atoms are 10^31 times smaller,
> and cycle 10^31 times faster!
> Not a coincidence.

yes coincidence, IOW there is no relationship.
> 
> But, yes, OUR emr would have a different relationship 
> with each. So, what?

relationship with each what? 
You are very unclear in your presentation, let alone your thinking.
ed
ed
ed

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#639741

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-10 08:01 -0700
Message-ID<73519131-56f3-469d-9be0-97e8fa921da8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639740
ed
"elationship with each what? 
You are very unclear in your presentation, let alone your thinking. "

Ed, atoms are galaxies.
Galaxies are atoms.
There are smaller forms of emr.
There are larger forms of emr.

Reject it if you want but don't say it
is "unclear", or I will be forced to conclude
that you are stupid.

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#639760

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-10 10:15 -0700
Message-ID<4e2c6359-3723-4a27-9a92-975323771f32@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639741
On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 11:01:18 AM UTC-4, john wrote:
> ed
> "relationship with each what? 
this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ was unclear
> You are very unclear in your presentation, let alone your thinking. "
> 
> Ed, atoms are galaxies.
> Galaxies are atoms.
> There are smaller forms of emr.
> There are larger forms of emr.
> 
> Reject it if you want but don't say it
> is "unclear", or I will be forced to conclude
> that you are stupid.

And you have yet to expound what that larger EMR is.
There is nothing that moves galaxies the way EMR
moves atoms.
Your theory predicts larger EMR, but there is zero evidence.

In this case you can reject it if you want,
but that will just prove you are deliberately
refusing to accept facts. (IOW you are just a troll.)
ed

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