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| Started by | "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2017-06-28 20:25 -0700 |
| Last post | 2017-07-09 12:20 -0700 |
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Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-06-28 20:25 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-06-28 22:19 -0700
Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-06-29 05:44 -0700
Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Graveyard Vandal <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-29 06:08 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-06-29 15:24 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 02:31 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 02:37 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 11:36 +0000
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 05:15 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-30 17:50 +0000
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 15:12 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-01 04:14 +0000
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-07-01 01:46 -0400
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 06:10 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 11:19 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 15:35 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 11:27 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 19:13 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 03:33 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 07:39 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 10:23 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 11:07 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-05 02:01 +0000
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-05 01:58 +0000
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 20:38 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-05 03:54 +0000
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 22:40 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 02:34 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-05 13:05 +0000
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 06:32 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 07:00 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 07:20 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-05 15:09 +0000
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 12:30 -0500
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 16:05 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 08:03 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-05 17:27 +0000
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 12:32 -0500
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 12:29 -0500
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 12:02 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 12:13 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 14:36 -0500
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 16:17 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 14:24 -0500
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 12:27 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 15:58 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 09:34 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-05 13:06 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 12:20 -0500
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 11:15 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-05 18:31 +0000
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 13:38 -0500
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 14:36 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-05 15:21 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 16:14 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 09:59 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-06 20:33 +0000
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 20:35 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-08 07:17 +0000
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 06:16 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 01:49 +0000
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 18:52 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 04:18 +0000
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 05:20 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 12:56 +0000
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 06:32 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 17:19 +0000
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 10:27 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 09:57 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-07-08 20:14 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 20:22 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 07:06 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 07:19 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 07:27 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 17:21 +0000
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 10:37 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-10 02:06 +0000
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 08:03 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-10 18:15 -0400
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 04:15 +0000
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-07-09 12:58 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 18:26 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-10 01:53 +0000
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-07-09 19:34 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 09:53 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 06:18 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 12:04 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 18:49 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 01:58 +0000
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 19:12 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 19:38 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 04:04 +0000
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 09:49 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 08:27 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 10:33 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-07 10:47 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 07:47 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 08:01 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 10:15 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 11:48 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 15:48 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 15:47 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 15:46 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 06:34 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-07-05 15:09 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 15:11 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-06 15:22 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 10:33 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-09 10:46 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 11:14 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-09 13:33 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 11:37 -0700
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-10 18:19 -0400
Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 12:20 -0700
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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-04 10:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <903d7737-94a7-4157-9481-a9e61a974ad8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #638747 |
Poor John says HVAC - show quoted text - Where is the proof that these galaxies are MOVING, at all? Sure, they are spinning. and I think precessing, but where is the proof that their centres are moving with respect to each other? YOU say they are "colliding" for some reason. Why? ------------ John. You can't be seriously asking me this question in 2017. I'll just figure you were just kidding... Right? Please tell me you're joking
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-04 11:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4b03d357-c3ad-4c6f-801b-b4dc6cd7153c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #638773 |
HVAC "John. You can't be seriously asking me this question in 2017. " Is that ur go-to answer? Ever get the year wrong?
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 02:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ojhhac$eps$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #638783 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >HVAC >"John. You can't be seriously asking me this question in 2017. " >Is that ur go-to answer? Ever get the year wrong? Ohmygawd! There must have been a time warp or something! I thought it was 2017, too! What year is it, John?
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 01:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ojhh4b$eps$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #638747 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >HVAC >"Poor John says >Ed >Why couldn't those galaxies be just sitting >there SHARING an arm? >-------------- >John. Just give it up ok? >You're like a drowning man who will grab onto anything around him in a vain attempt to stay alive. >Floundering. That's the word " >Where is the proof that these galaxies are >MOVING, at all? Really, John? You still don't know? >Sure, they are spinning. and I think precessing, >but where is the proof that their centres are >moving with respect to each other? We know how the centers are moving relative to each other in the exact same way we know that they are rotating, and they are not precessing. Two Words. Red. Shift. >YOU say they are "colliding" for some reason. >Why? No, NASA says they are colliding. Since NASA has actual scientists who know and study such things, I, and most rational people, will believe them over someone who insists that galaxies violate multiple laws of physics just to fulfill his OCD demands. Floundering. That's the word, all right.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-04 20:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fcbb8297-7a5d-4255-805e-f7f1fda1209a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #638857 |
MM " >YOU say they are "colliding" for some reason. >Why? No, NASA says they are colliding. Since NASA has actual scientists who ..." Yes. And do atoms collide?
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 03:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ojhntg$vc8$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #638865 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >" >>YOU say they are "colliding" for some reason. >>Why? >No, NASA says they are colliding. Since NASA has actual scientists who ..." >Yes. >And do atoms collide? Irrelevant. We're discussing colliding galaxies, not atoms.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-04 22:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <558de6c6-0135-45f1-ab4d-bc6c053b8ea7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #638866 |
MM "Irrelevant. We're discussing colliding galaxies, not atom" Maybe atoms and galaxies just bounce off each other because that's what they do.
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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 02:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e2325c46-c81b-42df-84b8-44b9a39373b2@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #638871 |
Poor John says MM "Irrelevant. We're discussing colliding galaxies, not atom" Maybe atoms and galaxies just bounce off each other because that's what they do. ---------- I'd agree with you John except for the fact that you're 100% wrong and I don't agree with you. In fact, your statement that 'galaxies and atoms just bounce off each other' is borderline insane.
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 13:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ojio6d$n7l$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #638871 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >"Irrelevant. We're discussing colliding galaxies, not atom" >Maybe atoms and galaxies just bounce off each >other because that's what they do. That's just plain stupid, John. Galaxies are mostly empty space and they'll largely pass through each other. However in doing so, their mutual gravitation will disrupt each other as well as trigger star formation. The gravitational disruption usually destroys the spiral patterns but a new combined galaxy may eventually form.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 06:32 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d14e15e7-e6b8-490e-8d5d-d966b2b46067@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #638896 |
MM " That's just plain stupid, John. Galaxies are mostly empty space and they'll largely pass through each other. However in doing so, their mutual gravitation will disrupt each other as well as trigger star formation. The gravitational disruption usually destroys the spiral patterns but a new combined galaxy may eventually form. " Gee, Michael, atoms are mostly empty space, also! Why, then, do you think they act differently? Because they're small?
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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 07:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8a77282e-fa58-4a24-9a40-fdb0ed865aef@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #638897 |
Poor John says Gee, Michael, atoms are mostly empty space, also! Why, then, do you think they act differently? Because they're small? ------------ John have you ever heard of the strong and weak nuclear forces?
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 07:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2400e9b0-b2c9-497f-8914-07918b0a76f1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #638898 |
HVAC "..,u ever heard of the strong and weak nuclear forces? " You think that the magnetic helices being viewed by Rainer Beck in galaxies surrounding their arms and nuclei are chopped liver?
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 15:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ojivep$6ii$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #638898 |
HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> writes: >Poor John says >Gee, Michael, atoms are mostly empty space, also! >Why, then, do you think they act differently? >Because they're small? >------------ >John have you ever heard of the strong and weak nuclear forces? It's actually the electromagnetic force that's most relevant for atoms. The electron clouds and their negative charges interact with each other. Meanwhile, electromagnetic, strong and weak forces are essentially irrelevant on a galactic scale, which is why galaxies interacting and atoms interacting are completely different and have nothing to do with each other.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 12:30 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ojj7od$10tp$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #638897 |
On 7/5/17 8:32 AM, john wrote: > MM > " > That's just plain stupid, John. Galaxies are mostly empty space and > they'll largely pass through each other. However in doing so, their > mutual gravitation will disrupt each other as well as trigger star > formation. The gravitational disruption usually destroys the spiral > patterns but a new combined galaxy may eventually form. " > > Gee, Michael, atoms are mostly empty space, also! > Why, then, do you think they act differently? > Because they're small? > No. They behave differently because the electromagnetic interaction dominates their behavior and is 43 orders of magnitude stronger than the gravitational interaction. What binds atoms together and also causes them to repel each other is 43 orders of magnitude bigger than the interactions that govern galactic collisions. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 16:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <202f032b-bf9b-4ce1-b919-74195c52b013@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #638897 |
On Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 9:32:58 AM UTC-4, john wrote: > MM > " > That's just plain stupid, John. Galaxies are mostly empty space and > they'll largely pass through each other. However in doing so, their > mutual gravitation will disrupt each other as well as trigger star > formation. The gravitational disruption usually destroys the spiral > patterns but a new combined galaxy may eventually form. " > > Gee, Michael, atoms are mostly empty space, also! > Why, then, do you think they act differently? > Because they're small? No, It is because their interactions are dominated by Maxwell's equations for Electricity and Magnetism. At the size of a galaxy Electricity and Magnetism is too small to matter and the interactions are dominated by Newton's/Einstein's equations of gravity. You see, the thing is, using those equations to calculate the interactions matches what scientists see in the measured data. It is that combination that provide the solid ground for us saying you are way off base. It's not our opinion. Ed
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 08:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9fc7e850-af34-48b6-8605-550b0191432b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #638896 |
MM "- Galaxies are mostly empty space and they'll largely pass through each other. However in doing so, their mutual gravitation will disrupt each other as well as trigger star formation. The gravitational disruption usually destroys the spiral patterns but a new combined galaxy may eventually form. " When Halton Arp sees two differently-redshifted galaxies connected by a star-bridge, the status quo knee-jerk go-to is that one is actually much further behind the other. Same could be claimed for 'colliding' galaxies- they are not passing 'through' each other- one is simply behind the other. You guys have a strange view of galaxies; they are not a cloud of random stars. They are a unit.
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 17:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ojj7i4$gdv$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #638901 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >You guys have a strange view of galaxies; they >are not a cloud of random stars. They are >a unit. No, John, galaxies are a gravitationally bound cloud of stars (and gas, and other stuff like perhaps dark matter). Just like the solar system, a bunch of planets that have little to do with each other except for being bound gravitationally to the sun (and perturbing each other gravitationally somewhat over time)
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 12:32 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ojj7ro$10tp$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #638901 |
On 7/5/17 10:03 AM, john wrote: > MM > "- > Galaxies are mostly empty space and > they'll largely pass through each other. However in doing so, their > mutual gravitation will disrupt each other as well as trigger star > formation. The gravitational disruption usually destroys the spiral > patterns but a new combined galaxy may eventually form. " > When Halton Arp sees two differently-redshifted > galaxies connected by a star-bridge, > the status quo knee-jerk go-to is that > one is actually much > further behind the other. > Same could be claimed > for 'colliding' galaxies- they are not passing > 'through' each other- one is simply behind > the other. > > You guys have a strange view of galaxies; they > are not a cloud of random stars. They are > a unit. > No, John, they really are a loosely bound cloud of stars, held together only by their mutual gravitational interactions. The magnetic field is present but is orders of magnitude too small to bind them together as "a unit". -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 12:29 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ojj7kv$10tp$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #638871 |
On 7/5/17 12:40 AM, john wrote: > MM > "Irrelevant. We're discussing colliding galaxies, not atom" > Maybe atoms and galaxies just bounce off each > other because that's what they do. > No, John. When atoms collide, the outer electrons repel each other because they are like-signed. You know like signs repel because you've SEEN it in third grade demonstrations like your hair standing on end when the hairs are all given a like charge. This repulsion is what provides a lower bound on the bond length between atoms, so that they don't just collapse into each other. Stars do not have that repulsion factor. There is no lower bound that would cause a bounce, where atoms do have one for an obvious reason. And before you go on your babble fest about matter and antimatter repelling, remember that matter and antimatter ATTRACT because they have opposite charges. Notice, please, that there is some actual reasoning involved in the above, rather than just "because that's what they do". That is, it helps to know WHY atoms bounce off each other, and why galaxies would not have the same reason to bounce off each other. Plus, there's all that evidence of galaxies that have suffered collisions and been torn apart by that interaction rather than just bouncing off intact like atoms do. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 12:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <daf8e9ef-4932-4dde-9cfc-84fdb7300746@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #638927 |
Odd "by that interaction rather than just bouncing off intact like atoms do. " So, I imagine that YOU imagine that little balls that are atoms bounce off each other with little or no change to their little ball shape. Maybe they flatten a little, like a golf ball? Is that how you see it, Odd?
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