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CH4 for Odd

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First post2017-06-14 11:46 -0700
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  CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 11:46 -0700
    Re: CH4 for Odd "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-06-14 12:32 -0700
    Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 14:32 -0500
      Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 14:42 -0500
        Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 14:27 -0700
          Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 15:13 -0700
            Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 08:38 -0500
          Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 08:33 -0500
            Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-15 09:35 -0700
              Re: CH4 for Odd HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 11:14 -0700
          Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 08:50 -0500
            Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 07:08 -0700
              Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 07:40 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 10:46 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-15 16:05 +0000
              Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 10:41 -0500
      Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-14 19:55 +0000
        Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 15:55 -0500
        Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 14:16 -0700
          Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-15 12:39 +0000
            Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-15 09:33 -0700
              Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 16:40 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-16 00:30 -0700
                  Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-16 15:53 -0500
                    Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-16 21:50 -0700
        Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 20:29 -0700
          Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-14 21:26 -0700
          Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-15 12:48 +0000
            Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 08:22 -0700
              Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 10:49 -0500
              Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-15 16:12 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 18:24 -0700
                  Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-16 07:17 +0000
                    Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-16 04:22 -0700
                      Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-16 08:16 -0500
                        Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-16 06:49 -0700
                          Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-16 15:10 -0500
                        Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-16 21:37 -0700
                      Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-16 15:03 +0000
                        Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-16 08:50 -0700
                          Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-16 19:44 +0000
                          Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-16 15:07 -0500
                            Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-17 06:14 -0700
                              Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-17 14:10 +0000
                              Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-17 21:24 +0000
                                Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-17 15:52 -0700
                                  Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-17 16:44 -0700
                                    Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-18 00:09 +0000
                                    Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-17 21:50 -0700
                                  Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-18 02:50 +0000
                                    Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-17 21:57 -0700
                                      Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 12:40 -0500
                                    Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-18 08:42 -0700
                                      Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-18 08:51 -0700
                                        Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-18 09:03 -0700
                                          Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-19 01:04 +0000
                                          Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 12:51 -0500
                                      Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-19 01:03 +0000
                                        Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-18 21:33 -0700
                                          Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 12:52 -0500
                                            Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-20 04:49 -0700
                                              Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 08:36 -0500
                                      Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-18 21:31 -0700
                                      Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 12:48 -0500
                                        Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 04:53 -0700
                                          Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 08:38 -0500
                                          Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-20 14:45 +0000
                                            Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 08:09 -0700
                                              Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 10:57 -0500
                                                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 09:41 -0700
                                                  Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 09:48 -0700
                                                  Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 15:00 -0500
                                              Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-21 09:51 -0700
                                                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 10:10 -0700
                                                  Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 15:08 -0500
                                                    Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 13:27 -0700
                                                      Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 15:43 -0500
                                                      Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-21 20:49 +0000
                                                  Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-22 00:19 -0700
                                                    Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-22 03:58 -0700
                                                      Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 12:39 +0000
                                                    Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 12:38 +0000
                                                      Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 06:13 -0700
                                                        Re: CH4 for Odd HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 06:22 -0700
                                                          Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 07:33 -0700
                                                            Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 07:55 -0700
                                                        Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-22 15:21 +0000
                                                          Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 08:40 -0700
                                                            Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-22 16:57 +0000
                                                            Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 12:36 -0500
                                                          Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 08:44 -0700
                                                            Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 12:38 -0500
                                                        Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 12:33 -0500
                                              Re: CH4 for Odd HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 10:10 -0700
                                              Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-21 18:23 +0000
                                            Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 08:21 -0700
                                              Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 11:01 -0500
                                              Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-21 18:37 +0000
                                                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 12:37 -0700
                                                  Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 13:02 -0700
                                                    Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-21 21:07 +0000
                                                      Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 17:46 -0700
                                                        Re: CH4 for Odd benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-21 21:35 -0400
                                                        Re: CH4 for Odd HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 04:01 -0700
                                                          Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 05:10 -0700
                                                            Re: CH4 for Odd HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 08:53 -0700
                                                        Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 12:41 -0500
                                                          Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 11:19 -0700
                                                            Re: CH4 for Odd HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 11:26 -0700
                                                              Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 11:51 -0700
                                                            Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 15:25 -0500
                                                              Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 15:24 -0700
                                                                Re: CH4 for Odd HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 17:45 -0700
                                                                Re: CH4 for Odd Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 19:30 -0700
                                                                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-23 03:33 +0000
                                                                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-23 07:25 -0500
                                                                  Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-23 08:58 -0700
                                                                    Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-23 17:40 +0000
                                                                    Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-23 14:32 -0500
                                                                      Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-24 05:28 -0700
                                                                        Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-24 14:38 +0000
                                                                          Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-24 13:02 -0700
                                                                            Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-24 23:29 +0000
                                                                              Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-24 17:45 -0700
                                                                                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-25 03:14 +0000
                                                                                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-25 03:16 +0000
                                                                                  Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-24 21:05 -0700
                                                                                    Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-27 00:04 +0000
                                                                                      Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-26 17:32 -0700
                                                                                        Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-27 01:32 +0000
                                                                                        Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-27 05:09 +0000
                                                                        Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-24 15:46 -0500
                                                                          Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-24 15:28 -0700
                                                                            Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-25 03:14 +0000
                                      Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-20 01:39 -0700
                                        Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 08:34 -0500
                  Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-16 08:07 -0500
    Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 16:00 -0500
    Re: CH4 for Odd Sегgi о <iinvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-14 17:40 -0500
    CH4 for Odd HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 17:51 -0700
      CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 20:22 -0700
        CH4 for Odd HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 02:54 -0700

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#637047

Fromporaty350@gmail.com
Date2017-06-20 04:49 -0700
Message-ID<989e38e6-3e7e-45a1-be5e-b21e3a6727e9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#636953
On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 8:52:44 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 6/18/17 11:33 PM, poraty350@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 4:03:58 AM UTC+3, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:
> >>
> >>> So, Odd, how do your atom-in-a-box crests and
> >>> troughs lay out? Where would you say they are?
> >>> Any ideas?
> >>
> >> Why not get the app and find out?
> > ====
> >   a pure  nonsense physics
> > waist of time and  money
> > -----
> > Y.Porat
> > =======================
> > 
> 
> There are people who decide BEFORE learning any physics that the 
> materials that teach physics are nonsense. These are the people that 
> never learn physics. It's always the same excuse.
> "Why would I spend money to learn something I don't believe?"
> 
> My response is, "Why would you think you understand a subject you have 
> not learned?"
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
===========================because I am working on it  more than 50 years 
and much more important
I found the most basic rules of physics !!
for instance
=========================================
NO MASS'' THE ONY  MASS! - NO REAL PHYSICS !!
=================================================
2
=================================================
mass is the mother of all !! forces - including !!! gravity 
=====================================================

no curved space and not schmerved space !!
=============================================
particle are 
chain of sub  orbitals 
==================
any  energy is 
MASS IN MOTION 
===============================================
HAD THERE NOT  BEEN  LOCATOINS OF  ABSOLUTE EMPTYNESS
- NO MOTION WHATSOEVER -COULOD BE DONE !! 
====================================================
E =h f IS NOT THE REAL FORMULA OF THE REAL SMALLEST PHOTON  ENERGY 
and  as we saw above that no mass no real physics 
THE PHOTON HAS MASS NOT RELATIVISTIC AND NOT SCHMELATIVISTIC ! just mass
small indeed -but mass the only mass !!
===========================================
all particles  are 3d structures 
not 2 D SMEARED ON A PAPER 
------
etc etc etc 

Y.Porat
==========================

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#637052

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-20 08:36 -0500
Message-ID<oib8dm$1gc$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#637047
On 6/20/17 6:49 AM, poraty350@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 8:52:44 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 6/18/17 11:33 PM, poraty350@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 4:03:58 AM UTC+3, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> So, Odd, how do your atom-in-a-box crests and
>>>>> troughs lay out? Where would you say they are?
>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Why not get the app and find out?
>>> ====
>>>    a pure  nonsense physics
>>> waist of time and  money
>>> -----
>>> Y.Porat
>>> =======================
>>>
>>
>> There are people who decide BEFORE learning any physics that the
>> materials that teach physics are nonsense. These are the people that
>> never learn physics. It's always the same excuse.
>> "Why would I spend money to learn something I don't believe?"
>>
>> My response is, "Why would you think you understand a subject you have
>> not learned?"
>>
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> ===========================because I am working on it  more than 50 years

If you are uneducated in a subject, then working on it for 50 years is a 
monumental waste of time. I can tell you that someone who does not study 
woodworking but tinkers at it for 50 years is not going to be a 
competent woodworker.

See number 11 on the Crackpot Index, and give yourself 10 points:
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#636900

Fromporaty350@gmail.com
Date2017-06-18 21:31 -0700
Message-ID<57becd65-8ab6-4c1d-b93c-ce76d60e61f7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#636834
On Sunday, June 18, 2017 at 6:42:07 PM UTC+3, john wrote:
> Odd
> "...box..."
> Where are the crests and troughs?
> You are aware that waves have crests and
> troughs?
> Not just water- the Interplanetary Magnetic Field
>  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/Heliospheric-current-sheet.gif/800px-Heliospheric-current-sheet.gif
> 
> was one of the things that cued me towards
> the image of a turning magnetic field- if you
> look, there is a PATTERN of crests that is a
> two-crested spiral creating the wave at the Sun
> exactly as fast as needed to have it come
> around and match up with itself.
> Look at the picture (interpreted from data
> by Voyageur- so cool)
> This is a pattern of wave that is all one wave.
> 
> So, Odd, how do your atom-in-a-box crests and
> troughs lay out? Where would you say they are?
> Any ideas?
=====================
(:-)
is that a finding of Bodkin ??

the idiot crock THIEF    Bodkin (Paul Draper)
think and want to teach others  he is 
in a CONDITORY !!!!.....
===
Y.P
================================


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#636951

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-19 12:48 -0500
Message-ID<oi92og$qbd$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#636834
On 6/18/17 10:42 AM, john wrote:
> Odd
> "...box..."
> Where are the crests and troughs?
> You are aware that waves have crests and
> troughs?

You may or may not be aware that there are lots of ways of representing 
standing waves, John. Quite often, they are just represented as the 
amplitude envelopes, so that you see where the nodes and antinodes are.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Waves/imgwav/strhar.gif
http://minerva.union.edu/newmanj/Physics100/Light%20as%20a%20Wave/standing%20wave2.JPG
http://clas.mq.edu.au/speech/acoustics/frequency/resonance_files/tubes_oc.gif

The ones above are in 1D.
Here are some where the wave is in more than one dimension:
http://rpsscience.production.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/cache/b1/b2/b1b26b97c62549fb9db135723c1e2a4f.jpg
http://www2.mae.ufl.edu/~uhk/Mem4.jpg
http://soi.stanford.edu/results/solarmode.gif

What you're looking at in Atom in a Box is like those standing wave 
representations in more than one dimension.


> Not just water- the Interplanetary Magnetic Field
>   https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/Heliospheric-current-sheet.gif/800px-Heliospheric-current-sheet.gif
> 
> was one of the things that cued me towards
> the image of a turning magnetic field- if you
> look, there is a PATTERN of crests that is a
> two-crested spiral creating the wave at the Sun
> exactly as fast as needed to have it come
> around and match up with itself.
> Look at the picture (interpreted from data
> by Voyageur- so cool)
> This is a pattern of wave that is all one wave.
> 
> So, Odd, how do your atom-in-a-box crests and
> troughs lay out? Where would you say they are?
> Any ideas?
> 


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#637048

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-20 04:53 -0700
Message-ID<93b7f5ae-307c-4fe2-bbd5-4c439a9dcc7b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#636951
Odd
"On 6/18/17 10:42 AM, john wrote: 
> Odd 
> "...box..." 
> Where are the crests and troughs? 
> You are aware that waves have crests and 
> troughs? 

You may or may not be aware that there are lots of ways of representing 
standing waves, John. Quite often, they are just represented as the 
amplitude envelopes, so that you see where the nodes and antinodes are. 

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Waves/imgwav/strhar.gif 
"
Odd, where is the wave pattern in "Box"?
Put it in. 

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#637053

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-20 08:38 -0500
Message-ID<oib8gm$1gc$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#637048
On 6/20/17 6:53 AM, john wrote:
> Odd
> "On 6/18/17 10:42 AM, john wrote:
>> Odd
>> "...box..."
>> Where are the crests and troughs?
>> You are aware that waves have crests and
>> troughs?
> 
> You may or may not be aware that there are lots of ways of representing
> standing waves, John. Quite often, they are just represented as the
> amplitude envelopes, so that you see where the nodes and antinodes are.
> 
> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Waves/imgwav/strhar.gif
> "
> Odd, where is the wave pattern in "Box"?
> Put it in.
> 

Have you loaded the app? Have you actually looked at it, John?

I ask you this because the standing wave pattern is RIGHT THERE. Choose 
n = 6, l = 5 and look at it.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#637056

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-06-20 14:45 +0000
Message-ID<oibcdo$4ue$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#637048
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>"On 6/18/17 10:42 AM, john wrote: 
>> Odd 
>> "...box..." 
>> Where are the crests and troughs? 
>> You are aware that waves have crests and 
>> troughs? 

>You may or may not be aware that there are lots of ways of representing 
>standing waves, John. Quite often, they are just represented as the 
>amplitude envelopes, so that you see where the nodes and antinodes are. 

>http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Waves/imgwav/strhar.gif 
>"
>Odd, where is the wave pattern in "Box"?
>Put it in. 

Did you even try the app yet?

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#637149

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-21 08:09 -0700
Message-ID<71733159-b6c5-47c9-bdcb-2a0ffa125a7e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#637056
MM
"Did you even try the app yet? "
It's a program, Mike.
They could make the shape for different 
variables anything they want.
They chose the accepted shapes.

The point is not where the electron goes
within one cycle, but the route it takes.
You say there isn't one.
So does Odd.
I think you guys drank too much Kool Aide
or something 

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#637153

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-21 10:57 -0500
Message-ID<oie50d$iv1$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#637149
On 6/21/17 10:09 AM, john wrote:
> MM
> "Did you even try the app yet?"
> It's a program, Mike.
> They could make the shape for different
> variables anything they want.
> They chose the accepted shapes.
> 
> The point is not where the electron goes
> within one cycle, but the route it takes.

Well, that would be an empty point if there is no route, wouldn't you agree.

> You say there isn't one.
> So does Odd.
> I think you guys drank too much Kool Aide
> or something

I can't help it if you simply cannot even imagine there not being a 
route. This reflects the limitations of your imagination, or more 
properly, what you ALLOW yourself to try to imagine (which is just as 
limited).


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#637157

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-21 09:41 -0700
Message-ID<7cf8142f-818c-4082-b21c-d2eb9ed0cee1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#637153
Odd
"

I can't help it if you simply cannot even imagine there not being a 
route. This reflects the limitations of your imagination, or more 
properly, what you ALLOW yourself to try to imagine (which is just as 
limited). 
"

Okay, Odd.
You imagine that you have a good imagination.
That, you have, obviously.

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#637158

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-21 09:48 -0700
Message-ID<0f366368-c073-453d-a7c8-141bf157149a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#637157
You have a very good imagination, Odd.
:)

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#637191

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-21 15:00 -0500
Message-ID<oiej8m$1am2$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#637157
On 6/21/17 11:41 AM, john wrote:
> Odd
> "
> 
> I can't help it if you simply cannot even imagine there not being a
> route. This reflects the limitations of your imagination, or more
> properly, what you ALLOW yourself to try to imagine (which is just as
> limited).
> "
> 
> Okay, Odd.
> You imagine that you have a good imagination.
> That, you have, obviously.
> 

Right, and that's an important first step. The next step is to test the 
imaginative idea in experiment. Lo and behold, the experimental results 
match. In science anyway, this is the reward for being bold with the 
imagination, when nature VALIDATES it in experiment.

But in your case, you find wild imaginations to be somehow a contagion, 
something to be scorned, and an idea that seems wildly imaginative to 
you (regardless what experiment says) should be dismissed.

So let's dismiss flat atoms and antimatter galactic arms because they 
are products of wild imagination that are COUNTER to experiment, shall we?

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#637159

Fromporaty350@gmail.com
Date2017-06-21 09:51 -0700
Message-ID<310f5c3a-fee1-4cf8-8696-ca3f56bf2784@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#637149
On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 6:09:39 PM UTC+3, john wrote:
> MM
> "Did you even try the app yet? "
> It's a program, Mike.
> They could make the shape for different 
> variables anything they want.
> They chose the accepted shapes.
> 
> The point is not where the electron goes
> within one cycle, but the route it takes.
> You say there isn't one.
> So does Odd.
> I think you guys drank too much Kool Aide
> or something
=======================
Johan 
please tell me where to find the above 'Ap

and we will teach them a lesson ...
Y.Porat
================================ 

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#637162

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-21 10:10 -0700
Message-ID<05c92aec-cb65-4c8a-ad5d-9805f836ea9c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#637159
Y
Here

 http://daugerresearch.com/orbitals/index.shtml

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#637194

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-21 15:08 -0500
Message-ID<oiejol$1bfq$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#637162
On 6/21/17 12:10 PM, john wrote:
> Y
> Here
> 
>   http://daugerresearch.com/orbitals/index.shtml
> 

And so have you installed it?
Have you tried looking at it? Tried adjusting some parameters?

You keep saying things like "there is no 3D model for the electron in 
your dead theory", and when a pointer is given to you for that 3D model, 
you turn your head and decide not to look?

You keep saying things like "where is the standing wave picture of your 
atomic model; there isn't one!", and when a pointer is given to you that 
shows you that standing wave, you turn your head and decide not to look?

John, it's one thing to say outright that you'd rather only look at your 
own model and you don't give a rat's ass about quantum mechanical 
models. But when you say that quantum mechanics DOESN'T HAVE a model, 
and you've been given the place to play with the model, but you just 
don't want to acknowledge it, then that's just being obstinately 
childish -- and it reflects on you.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#637195

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-21 13:27 -0700
Message-ID<63160d54-879c-4c2c-8bf5-e2626dfda579@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#637194
Pfft.
Atom in a box is not a model.
You don't even know what's in there
until you look

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#637196

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-21 15:43 -0500
Message-ID<oielov$1eh1$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#637195
On 6/21/17 3:27 PM, john wrote:
> Pfft.
> Atom in a box is not a model.
> You don't even know what's in there
> until you look
> 

John, you remind me a little of the book burners who say they don't need 
to open a book to know it's evil.

There's also the story of when Galileo invited clergy to come look 
through his telescope to see the moons of Jupiter for themselves, and 
they came to visit but they refused to bend down and look through the 
telescope, insisting that they already knew there was nothing there to see.

OK, John, you've made your three-monkey stance apparent: hear no evil, 
see no evil, speak no evil.

There are some people who just don't want to know physics. You're one of 
them. So why are you here again?

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#637198

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-06-21 20:49 +0000
Message-ID<oiem4i$7ts$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#637195
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Pfft.
>Atom in a box is not a model.

And retarded precessing spinny things is?

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#637281

Fromporaty350@gmail.com
Date2017-06-22 00:19 -0700
Message-ID<ca324258-aa48-4d45-a738-6b8ab5e9301a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#637162
On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 8:10:30 PM UTC+3, john wrote:
> Y
> Here
> 
>  http://daugerresearch.com/orbitals/index.shtml
==================================
thank you john !

yet it didn't 'worm my hearth ''
1
protons and neutrons 
ARE NOT SPHERES !!
2
THEY DO NOT MOVE TOGETHER  WITH THE LECTRONS
they stay steady !!
or at most = vibrate 
 
or else every thing was moving around us
and  under us  
even the chair we are sitting on it 
would become 'scratchy   (:-) '
==

ATB
Y.Porat
=======================

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#637286

Fromporaty350@gmail.com
Date2017-06-22 03:58 -0700
Message-ID<b6235a73-f19d-4daa-9683-43828b1dd3d8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#637281
On Thursday, June 22, 2017 at 10:20:01 AM UTC+3, pora...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 8:10:30 PM UTC+3, john wrote:
> > Y
> > Here
> > 
> >  http://daugerresearch.com/orbitals/index.shtml
> ==================================
> thank you john !
> 
> yet it didn't 'worm my hearth ''
> 1
> protons and neutrons 
> ARE NOT SPHERES !!
> 2
> THEY DO NOT MOVE TOGETHER  WITH THE LECTRONS
> they stay steady !!
> or at most = vibrate 
>  
> or else every thing was moving around us
> and  under us  
> even the chair we are sitting on it 
> would become 'scratchy   (:-) '
> ==
> 
> ATB
> Y.Porat
> =======================
who is the creator of that model ???
=
TIA
Y.Porat
==========================

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