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| Started by | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2017-05-07 03:48 -0700 |
| Last post | 2017-05-08 18:13 -0400 |
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Atom For John HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 03:48 -0700
Atom For John HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 03:49 -0700
Atom For John john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 05:04 -0700
Re: Atom For John Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 12:22 +0000
Re: Atom For John john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 05:41 -0700
Re: Atom For John Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 16:21 -0500
Re: Atom For John HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 09:21 -0700
Re: Atom For John john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 10:49 -0700
Re: Atom For John HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 10:58 -0700
Re: Atom For John john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 11:22 -0700
Re: Atom For John moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-07 19:14 +0000
Re: Atom For John moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-07 19:10 +0000
Re: Atom For John Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 16:22 -0500
Re: Atom For John benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-05-08 18:21 -0400
Re: Atom For John john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 20:04 -0700
Re: Atom For John benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-05-08 18:14 -0400
Re: Atom For John moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-07 13:37 +0000
Re: Atom For John benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-05-08 18:15 -0400
Re: Atom For John benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-05-08 18:13 -0400
| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-07 03:48 -0700 |
| Subject | Atom For John |
| Message-ID | <e4e8580c-47f4-4420-a305-500d18478f70@googlegroups.com> |
https://www.google.com/search?q=animated+gif+of+an+atom&oq=animated+gif+of+an+atom&aqs=chrome..69i57.9903j0j4&client=tablet-android-alco&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=ozk1wQTaqrM5kM:
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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-07 03:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <82175561-5de7-4f19-a25e-4cb30b37f031@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #632210 |
Please note that MY submission is not a cartoon
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-07 05:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <091c97d6-7933-41fd-9a65-442faa45cf6f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #632211 |
HVAC Your submission shows electrons going in repeating circles. How does, for instance, a Hydrogen atom then become a sphere?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-07 12:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oen3hl$7sp$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #632214 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > HVAC > Your submission shows electrons going in repeating > circles. > How does, for instance, a Hydrogen atom then > become a sphere? > For the record, HVAC's GIFs are in no way scientifically accurate either. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-07 05:41 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <87dcc764-c78a-4858-8b7d-108739d9cb54@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #632216 |
Odd "uoted text - For the record, HVAC's GIFs are in no way scientifically accurate either. " For the record, Odd says that the "scientifically accurate " GIFs are not possible because ATOMS CAN'T BE PICTURED
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-07 16:21 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <oeo34f$4g6$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #632217 |
On 5/7/17 7:41 AM, john wrote: > Odd > "uoted text - > For the record, HVAC's GIFs are in no way scientifically accurate either. " > > For the record, > Odd says that the "scientifically accurate " > GIFs are not possible > because ATOMS CAN'T BE PICTURED > I never said that. I showed you Atom in a Box. That's the picture of an atom. There are LOTS of places where atoms are pictured. Open up a chemistry book. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-07 09:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ec2331c1-912b-4b53-83e5-2fac6450b275@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #632216 |
Odd Bodkin - show quoted text - For the record, HVAC's GIFs are in no way scientifically accurate either ---------- For the record, I wasn't going for accuracy. I was going for sarcasm. I think that gif pictured it perfectly
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-07 10:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <19b4c6a9-1418-4e42-8d08-94ed6095ba50@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #632225 |
HVAC " For the record, I wasn't going for accuracy. I was going for sarcasm. I think that gif pictured it perfectly " You can't really do that, because current theory has no picture. Odd is sensitive about that. Michael offers: "The Schrodinger Equation is spherical in the ground state!" Good, Michael! Atoms are spheres, too!!
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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-07 10:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4a033242-1d52-4b1f-93f1-fd464c77d7bf@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #632242 |
Poor John says Atoms are spheres, too!! -------- You think so?
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-07 11:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1b5610e9-7369-4129-af4c-4673804fdb35@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #632245 |
HVAC "John says Atoms are spheres, too!! -------- You think so? " Why, don't you, little HVAC? Over time, the points from the Schrodinger in the ground state make a sphere. Over time, a turning/precessing disc does so also. Which is reality? Well, galaxies prove the turning disc part, so far as reality precedent. Any Scroedinger machines in Nature?
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-05-07 19:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oenrlq$9jd$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #632256 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >HVAC >"John says >Atoms are spheres, too!! >-------- >You think so? " >Why, don't you, little HVAC? >Over time, the points from the Schrodinger >in the ground state >make a sphere. Only in an "s" orbital or if the shell is full or half full. >Over time, a turning/precessing disc does so >also. No, it does not. >Which is reality? Certainly not retarded precessing spinny disks. >Well, galaxies prove the turning disc part, No, they do not. You really should quit making up crap like that. >Any Scroedinger machines in Nature? Atoms.
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-05-07 19:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oenrfl$9jd$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #632242 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Atoms are spheres, too!! No, they are not, unless the outer shell is filled or half-full. You really should quit making up crap like that.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-07 16:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <oeo35s$4g6$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #632242 |
On 5/7/17 12:49 PM, john wrote: > HVAC > " > For the record, I wasn't going for accuracy. I was going for sarcasm. > > I think that gif pictured it perfectly " > > You can't really do that, because current > theory has no picture. That's just bullshit, John. Chemistry books have pictures of the structure of atoms. > Odd is sensitive about that. > Michael offers: "The Schrodinger Equation is > spherical in the ground state!" > Good, Michael! > Atoms are spheres, too!! > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2017-05-08 18:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5910ef80$0$53176$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #632281 |
On 5/7/2017 5:22 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 5/7/17 12:49 PM, john wrote: >> HVAC >> " >> For the record, I wasn't going for accuracy. I was going for sarcasm. >> >> I think that gif pictured it perfectly " >> >> You can't really do that, because current >> theory has no picture. > > That's just bullshit, John. > Chemistry books have pictures of the structure of atoms. No they don't, Boinker. You are STILL and idiot. (Question, just WHAT are those pictures in textbooks of? Answer slowly and carefully, Boinker)
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-08 20:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <752de1f7-25b2-41ed-acb1-158444c3cf66@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #632469 |
benj "No they don't, Boinker. You are STILL and idiot. " Always was
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2017-05-08 18:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5910edc5$0$53176$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #632216 |
On 5/7/2017 8:22 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: >> HVAC >> Your submission shows electrons going in repeating >> circles. >> How does, for instance, a Hydrogen atom then >> become a sphere? >> > > For the record, HVAC's GIFs are in no way scientifically accurate either. > Thank you Odd, I had already referred HVAC to you for this fact!
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-05-07 13:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oen7v8$77s$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #632214 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >HVAC >Your submission shows electrons going in repeating >circles. >How does, for instance, a Hydrogen atom then >become a sphere? Forget about Bohr-type models with the electron orbiting the nucleus like a planet around the sun. I already gave you pointers to the Schrodinger wave equation. The simplest solution (hydrogen in the ground state, l=0) is spherically symmetrical. If you need a picture, see Figure 4.6 on https://online.science.psu.edu/chem101_sp1/node/11147. Kind of boring, but there it is.
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2017-05-08 18:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5910edfe$0$53176$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #632220 |
On 5/7/2017 9:37 AM, Michael Moroney wrote: > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: > >> HVAC >> Your submission shows electrons going in repeating >> circles. >> How does, for instance, a Hydrogen atom then >> become a sphere? > > Forget about Bohr-type models with the electron orbiting the nucleus like > a planet around the sun. > > I already gave you pointers to the Schrodinger wave equation. The simplest > solution (hydrogen in the ground state, l=0) is spherically symmetrical. > If you need a picture, see Figure 4.6 on > https://online.science.psu.edu/chem101_sp1/node/11147. > Kind of boring, but there it is. > HVAC says it's a gay cartoon!
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2017-05-08 18:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5910ed97$0$53176$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #632211 |
On 5/7/2017 6:49 AM, HVAC wrote: > Please note that MY submission is not a cartoon > All those images in addition to being wrong (see Odd for more details) are all cartoons! You can't even pick out one image as the one you believe in! This is the kind of computer illiteracy that I'd expect from Bert. You must be a former Web TV poster too!
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