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  Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation// also dock Cassini in the Rings Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 01:35 -0700
    Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation// also dock Cassini in the Rings HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 06:07 -0700
      Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation// also dock Cassini in the Rings Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 06:16 -0700
      Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation// also dock Cassini in the Rings benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-04-24 16:21 -0400
    Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation// also dock Cassini in the Rings Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 06:38 -0700
      Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation// also dock Cassini in the Rings Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 06:54 -0700
        Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation// also dock Cassini in the Rings Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 07:43 -0700
          Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation// also dock Cassini in the Rings Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 08:03 -0700
            Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation// also dock Cassini in the Rings Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 19:22 -0700
              Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation// also dock Cassini in the Rings Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 13:46 -0700
            Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation// also dock Cassini in the Rings Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 14:44 -0700
              Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation// also dock Cassini in the Rings Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 15:17 -0700
                important knowledge Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 15:39 -0700
                  Re: important knowledge Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 10:22 -0700
                    Re: important knowledge Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 15:10 -0700
                      Re: important knowledge Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 11:09 -0700
                        Univ Dayton physics too dumb to know Newton's gravity works only with F= m(a1+a2) not F=ma Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 20:07 -0700
                          Re: Archimedes Plutonium too dumb to know Newton's gravity works only with F= m(a1+a2) not F=ma Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-29 06:37 +0000
                          Univ Dayton physics too dumb to know Newton's gravity works only with F= m(a1+a2) not F=ma Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 00:32 -0700
                            Univ Dayton physics too dumb to know Newton's gravity works only with F= m(a1+a2) not F=ma Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 14:03 -0700
                              Dayton can always feel proud in science-- Wright Bros. first flight Re: Univ Dayton physics too dumb to know Newton's gravity works only with F= m(a1+a2) not F=ma Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 14:31 -0700
                                Gravity, in order to work, has two accelerations involved, not one but two//Newton's gravity works only with F= m(a1+a2) not F=ma Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 21:52 -0700
                              Univ Dayton physics too dumb to know Newton's gravity works only with F= m(a1+a2) not F=ma Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 01:26 -0700
                                Univ Dayton physics too dumb to know Newton's gravity works only with F= m(a1+a2) not F=ma Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 16:35 -0700
                  Cassini's death, my dear Stumper's death Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 17:50 -0700
                    Cassini's death, my dear Stumper's death Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 20:38 -0700
                      Re: Cassini's death, my dear Stumper's death Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation Howler Monkey <alouatta.coibensis@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 21:13 -0700
                      Re: Cassini's death, my dear Stumper's death Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-29 18:55 +0000
                    Cassini's death, my dear Stumper's death Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 23:33 -0700
                    Re: Cassini's death, my dear Stumper's death Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 11:11 -0700
                      Re: Cassini's death, my dear Stumper's death Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 03:20 -0700
              Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation// also dock Cassini in the Rings moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-26 14:19 +0000
                Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation// also dock Cassini in the Rings Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 10:19 -0700
        Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation// also dock Cassini in the Rings moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-26 14:01 +0000
    Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation// also dock Cassini in the Rings "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 12:27 -0700

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#631301 — Dayton can always feel proud in science-- Wright Bros. first flight Re: Univ Dayton physics too dumb to know Newton's gravity works only with F= m(a1+a2) not F=ma

On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 4:03:57 PM UTC-5, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> Can Ed of Univ Dayton live up to a tiny fraction of the science engineering fame of the Wright Brothers of Dayton or will Ed end up with the physics-Failures in sci.physics. as HVAC recently threaded-- let's not jump to our guns so fast fast. For even HVAC realizes at the end of the day some physics must be done.
> 
> So, Ed, Ed, do you understand yet, however difficult for you that the Newton gravity and the Coulomb force of EM are parabola math and not what they should be, not what they truly are-- Circle and Ellipse math of ADDITION NUMERATOR inverse square so that Earth can get in front of the Sun going 220km/s while Earth only 30km/s and be run over by the Sun
> 
> In fact i made a mistake last night in that Earth needs to be going faster than 250km/s when it steps into Sun"s oncoming path. How much faster? Is it close to 500km/s not to be run over? I do not know yet.  
> 
> And this precession crap of Mercury with the fake General Relativity-- all fake huge fake. The strange orbit of Mercury is all due to the fact it has to really speedup-- accelerate as it gets in front of the Sun"s forward motion. And maybe it is Mercury needing to go 500km/s just to survive stepping in front of Sun"s forward motion.
> 
> AP

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#631325 — Gravity, in order to work, has two accelerations involved, not one but two//Newton's gravity works only with F= m(a1+a2) not F=ma

Alright, let us go back to the time of Newton in the late 1600's for many in physics today have the feeling that Newton was just yesterday and forget what conditions he was under, when using the math of Newton's gravity.  

Back in the days of Newton, the world was just getting used to the idea that Earth is moving in space and is round, and the Sun is the center of the Solar System. For if you thought kooks of science were everywhere today, well, in the days of Newton, kooks were truly everywhere.

The mathematics that Newton had, would be laughable compared to the math for science we have today. Calculus was just beginning to take off, and no calculus or math was available to Newton to know that the law of gravity needed 2 variables, not 1 variable of F = ma but two variables of F = m(a1 + a2)

Now, can we picture Newton's mind? Can we picture that he wrestled with Gravity as a force of F = kAA/d^2 where the A represents mass. Can we picture Newton saying

Sun moves in Space at 220km/second and Earth moves 30 km/sec

Can we picture the mind of Newton wrestling with the idea that as Earth in its orbit of 30km/second and stepping out in front of the Sun barrelling ahead and going to collide with Earth, moving at 220km/sec while Earth moving at 30km/sec.

Can we picture Newton wrestling with that?

No, no, no, we cannot picture Newton wrestling with that for in his day, he and no-one else knew that Sun was moving at 220 km/sec while Earth a mere 30 km/sec.

So for Newton, forces can be just a mere petty tiny F= ma and that the Earth would go step in front of a Sun barrelling down at 220km/sec right at Earth.

No way could Newton have known that his F = ma was too small, too paltry, too tiny to get Earth out of the way of the Sun.

What Newton did, was what his environment allowed, that Force = mass multiply acceleration

Never mind that it was not enough, that he needed Force = mass multiply (acceleration 1 plus acceleration 2). Newton needed a 30km/second acceleration for Earth, but needed about a 500km/second acceleration on top of the 30 in order for Earth to move around the Sun that is barrelling forward and going to hit Earth, if it does not move fast enough out of the way.

So we see, that Newton is not to blame, and that he remarkably was on the correct path. But, he left it open for future generations to correct his primitive math.

His math that would have Sun swallow every planet as it steps in front of the Sun's forward motion.

Why do all the planets escape being swallowed by the Sun in their first full loop of the Sun? How and why do they escape?

Because gravity as a force is really Electromagnetism which like electricity needs a Full Loop-- what they call a Circuit in EM. And in EM the forces are not F = kAA/d^2, but rather are kAA +jBB/d^2

The Force of Gravity has to be so strong, that the Sun does not swallow the planets in their first loop around the sun.

That means, Gravity has two accelerations involved, always at least two accelerations involved, not one but two.

AP

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#631337 — Univ Dayton physics too dumb to know Newton's gravity works only with F= m(a1+a2) not F=ma Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation

Awful quiet there Ed.

Have not found your alleged and fake equation of motion for Earth?

The diameter of Sun for distance, and when Earth is directly in front of the Sun in its forward path motion of 220km/sec call it the zone, the collision zone. Earth is moving 30km/sec.

But how much is it really moving to avoid a collision?

Does your equation of motion give 250km/sec or 300km/ sec or 400km/sec

Awfully quiet Ed awfully quiet

There at Univ Dayton. Now let us model it as the Wright Brothers might have. Take a huge ring tricycle as Earth moving 30 meters per hour around and a central diameter strip with a bicycle starting at the center moving 220 meters/hour

Now as the tricycle gets anywhere near where the two can collide, how fast must the tricycle go to avoid a collision?

AP

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#631485 — Univ Dayton physics too dumb to know Newton's gravity works only with F= m(a1+a2) not F=ma Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation

Ed is awfully silent, guess the math scared him away.

Dolike moroney or odd failures, read aparagraph of Wikipedia

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#630998 — Cassini's death, my dear Stumper's death Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation

On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 5:39:31 PM UTC-5, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 5:17:22 PM UTC-5, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> > In each Ringlet each ringlet is solid body rotation
> > 
> > And for that reason the ringlets are having a gap between as one ringlet of solid body motion moves faster than next ringlet
> 
> Yes, so, we steer the death of Cassini into one of the Ringlets, hitting it smack on as to achieve a maximum track through the ringlet, not a hole, a gaping hole but a track, and hopefully part of Cassini survives so that we can watch it, focus on it by our Earth based telescopes.
> 
> What we can learn is how much that Ringlet is Solid Body or Rigid Body Rotation.
> 
> Will the track quickly close up, by neighboring particles. Will the track remain open for a long time to come?
> 
> The alternative is NASA's dive death into Saturn, with little new knowledge to be gleaned, and what knowledge is gleaned is relatively unimportant.
> 
> But a death dive into the Ring structure, that knowledge will go a long ways in our understanding of Gravity, gravity as magnetism, not as Newton or General Relativity. Important knowledge, knowledge we need now, up front and center knowledge.
> 
> AP

Alright, the death of my beloved cat "Stumper". I named her stumper because every day walking down the path, she would hop onto a stump there and greet me, as I fed her food. I name my cat's after some distinctive behavior of theirs. I named my new one "Underneath" for she glides underneath wood pallet.

But Stumper was special, not because of her all gray fur which to most would be "nothing special" but rather, because Stumper took life so well, for she had been driven out by the other cats and lived marginally nearby, always happy to see me and follow me.

She had succumbed to virus, probably calci along with another. She was so bad of shape, she was thin, and had mucus all over, labored-breathing. I put her out of her misery. Death somehow shakes my inner core, perhaps because I am not far away from my own.

I buried Stumper.

A fairwell Sermon for her::

++++++++++++
Dear Stumper

We have life, and life is number one

We have health, and health is number two

Without health, we have miserable life

What is number three, Stumper?

The good times we spent together.

Goodbye, my dear Stumper, may we meet again.

Atom

+++++++++++++

AP

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#631020 — Cassini's death, my dear Stumper's death Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation

News of Cassini tonight

News of it flying near Saturn photographing weather storms

But no proof the Rings are solid body rotation

That is the biggest most important issue of Saturn-- are the rings rigid body rotation

That is like sending someone to the hospital for the baby's birth and everyone too daft to find out if boy or girl.

Cassini-- one of the greatest missions-- but nothing of importance for science

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#631025 — Re: Cassini's death, my dear Stumper's death Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 8:38:30 PM UTC-7, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> News of Cassini tonight
> 
> News of it flying near Saturn photographing weather storms
> 
> But no proof the Rings are solid body rotation
> 
> That is the biggest most important issue of Saturn-- are the rings rigid body rotation
> 
> That is like sending someone to the hospital for the baby's birth and everyone too daft to find out if boy or girl.
> 
> Cassini-- one of the greatest missions-- but nothing of importance for science

We know how the rings rotate, you idiot! (And it's not rigid body rotation.)

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#631264 — Re: Cassini's death, my dear Stumper's death Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation

Sorry to hear of the loss of your poor kitty.

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#631039 — Cassini's death, my dear Stumper's death Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation

Still shaken by my poor Stumpers death.

Will go to bed early tonight hopefully sleep soothe the wound

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#631102 — Re: Cassini's death, my dear Stumper's death Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 8:50:18 PM UTC-4, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
[]
> I buried Stumper.
> 
> A fairwell Sermon for her::
> 
> ++++++++++++
> Dear Stumper
> 
> We have life, and life is number one
> 
> We have health, and health is number two
> 
> Without health, we have miserable life
> 
> What is number three, Stumper?
> 
> The good times we spent together.
> 
> Goodbye, my dear Stumper, may we meet again.
> 
> Atom
> 
> +++++++++++++
> 
> AP

Sorry to here that. Pets can bring a lot to our lives.
ed

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#631230 — Re: Cassini's death, my dear Stumper's death Re: Have Cassini scar the Rings of Saturn and with Earth telescopes, prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation

Edward Prochak
On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 8:50:18 PM UTC-4, Archimedes Plutonium wrote: 
[] 
> I buried Stumper. 
> 
> A fairwell Sermon for her:: 
> 
> ++++++++++++ 
> Dear Stumper 
> 
> We have life, and life is number one 
> 
> We have health, and health is number two 
> 
> Without health, we have miserable life 
> 
> What is number three, Stumper? 
> 
> The good times we spent together. 
> 
> Goodbye, my dear Stumper, may we meet again. 
> 
> Atom 
> 
> +++++++++++++ 
> 
> AP 

Sorry to here that. Pets can bring a lot to our lives. 
ed 
--------------

Ed. This is a physics group. Please stop discussing pets.

First warning

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#630737

Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> writes:

>On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 11:03:41 AM UTC-4, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:

>> Now the Spiral Galaxies, most of them have this
>> Solid Body Rotation, of its stars close in and
>> out to the edge. Not that it is a one disc,
>> but rather millions of stars moving with Velocity
>> proportional to radius.

>Approximately, yes. This is one of the first pieces
>of evidence of dark matter.

Not quite.  It has been observed that each star has (approximately)
the same *speed*, regardless of its distance from the center.  That
means that a star twice as far from the center takes (approximately)
twice as long to orbit the center.  Solid body rotation would have
the star twice as far from the center move twice as fast, in order for
it to take the same time to orbit once because its path is twice as long.
Like the outer vs. inner tracks of a record on a record player.

In the solar system, by contrast, not only does Mercury take less time
to orbit the sun than Neptune because it has a shorter path, it also takes
less time because it is also moving much faster than Neptune.

>> So maybe to cut confusion I should just say 
>> 
>> Stars motion V proportional to R

>In some galaxies, true.

Again, what is observed was V ~ constant for most spiral galaxies. They
expected V to decrease as distance from the center as distance increased,
somewhat like the solar system.
See Ford's and Rubin's papers on galaxy observations.

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#630903

On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 10:19:56 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> >On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 11:03:41 AM UTC-4, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> 
> >> Now the Spiral Galaxies, most of them have this
> >> Solid Body Rotation, of its stars close in and
> >> out to the edge. Not that it is a one disc,
> >> but rather millions of stars moving with Velocity
> >> proportional to radius.
> 
> >Approximately, yes. This is one of the first pieces
> >of evidence of dark matter.
> 
> Not quite.  It has been observed that each star has (approximately)
> the same *speed*, regardless of its distance from the center.  That
> means that a star twice as far from the center takes (approximately)
> twice as long to orbit the center.  Solid body rotation would have
> the star twice as far from the center move twice as fast, in order for
> it to take the same time to orbit once because its path is twice as long.
> Like the outer vs. inner tracks of a record on a record player.

thanks for the details
> 
> In the solar system, by contrast, not only does Mercury take less time
> to orbit the sun than Neptune because it has a shorter path, it also takes
> less time because it is also moving much faster than Neptune.
> 
> >> So maybe to cut confusion I should just say 
> >> 
> >> Stars motion V proportional to R
> 
> >In some galaxies, true.
> 
> Again, what is observed was V ~ constant for most spiral galaxies. They
> expected V to decrease as distance from the center as distance increased,
> somewhat like the solar system.
> See Ford's and Rubin's papers on galaxy observations.

I'll have to do some more reading. I got the orbit speed detail wrong.
Thanks!
  ed

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#630735

Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> writes:

>Why be so dense as if you cannot understand something as Solid Body
>versus Solid Body Rotation. You do not know the difference.

>You are sounding like the physics failures Moroney, Odd. Not quite
>there yet, but near the edge. The only thing saving you is Univ
>Dayton. You know i am a UCincy graduate

Wow, it appears Archie Pu is projecting his failures on me and Odd yet
again.  What is subconsciously bothering Archie into realizing that he
has failed once again?  It must be learning that Saturn's rings don't
rotate as a solid body after all, shooting down his self-proclaimed
"laws of physics" in flames.  But if Archie did his research, he'd
know that it was known that Saturn's rings didn't have solid body
rotation since the time of Maxwell. Maxwell himself proved that solid
body rotation of Saturn's rings would be unstable.

There is no need for Cassini to fly into Saturn's rings to show that
Saturn's rings aren't solid body rotation since that is already known.
It might be interesting to send it on a trip through the rings and
directly into Saturn with cameras transmitting live, if possible,
we can get some nice ring closeups before a possible destructive
collision and if it survives, a closeup as it flies into Saturn.

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#631408

On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 1:36:00 AM UTC-7, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> Newsgroups: sci.physics
> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 01:23:12 -0700 (PDT)
> 
> Subject: Have Cassini prove the Rings of Saturn are Solid Body Rotation, by
>  diving into the rings scarring them
> From: Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium....@gmail.com>
> Injection-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 08:23:12 +0000
> 
> 
> Have Cassini prove the Rings of Saturn are Solid Body Rotation, by diving into the rings scarring them
> 
> Now Serg, help me out here, 
> 
> How can we get Cassini, instead of plunging to death into Saturn, how can we get Cassini to prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation. 
> 
> I do not know if the craft still has cameras 
> 
> Is there a way for the craft to sort of dive into the rings face on, so as to pollute the Rings as much as possible, while here on Earth we have our best and every telescope watching Cassini pollute and scar and mar the rings. 
> 
> So that see this vandal like destruction of the rings by the spacecraft and able to calculate or observe whether the Rings are Solid Body from the track left behind of the scarring of the Rings. 
> 
> In other words, can Cassini definitely prove the Rings are Solid Body Rotation. 
> 
> I hate to see it where we have to wait another 50 years to prove Rings are Solid Body, when we have a vessel there, right now. 
> 
> AP 
> 
> I am trying to figure out the best sure fire way of proving the Rings are Solid Body, or not.
> 
> One idea is the above scarring and then Earth bound telescopes proving the track pattern.
> 
> Another idea is whether we can actually dock Cassini inside a Ringlet and then be able to use it visually from Earth to confirm Solid Body Rotation.
> 
> Of course, that means we lose out on whatever science we wanted of Saturn's atmosphere. But I wager that the most important data we need is not Saturn's atmosphere, but the confirmed knowledge that the Rings are Solid Body Rotation, and hence Newton gravity and General Relativity Gravity are hogwash. And that gravity is Magnetism, where magnetism is forcing solid body rotation of the rings.
> 
> It is more important to confirm Solid Body Rotation than it is to pick up tidbits of Saturn's atmosphere.
> 
> AP

Rings made up on ice and rock balls.One rock ball is the roundest rock in solar system.That has to tell us something. Trebert

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