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Accretion discs

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  Accretion discs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-21 17:20 -0700
    Re: Accretion discs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-04-22 02:03 -0700
      Re: Accretion discs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-22 07:17 -0700
        Re: Accretion discs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-22 08:37 -0700
          Re: Accretion discs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-04-25 03:12 -0700
        Re: Accretion discs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-22 08:50 -0700
        Re: Accretion discs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-04-22 17:12 -0700
          Re: Accretion discs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 06:12 -0700
            Re: Accretion discs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 07:28 -0700
              Re: Accretion discs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 10:08 -0700
              Re: Accretion discs benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 00:35 -0400
            Re: Accretion discs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-24 21:49 +0000
          Re: Accretion discs benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 00:24 -0400
      Re: Accretion discs "Kevin Jones" <mapihapimapihapal@gmal.com> - 2017-04-22 08:55 -0700
    Re: Accretion discs "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-04-22 15:17 -0700
      Re: Accretion discs HVAC <Harlowcampbell@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 11:05 -0400
        Re: Accretion discs benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 00:36 -0400
          Re: Accretion discs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 02:16 -0700
            Re: Accretion discs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-04-24 16:11 -0400
              Re: Accretion discs "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 13:45 -0700
                Re: Accretion discs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-04-24 17:31 -0400
                  Re: Accretion discs "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 11:15 -0700
                    Re: Accretion discs "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-04-25 12:30 -0700
                    Re: Accretion discs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-04-25 18:25 -0400
                    Re: Accretion discs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 02:43 -0700
                      Re: Accretion discs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 16:14 -0700
                        Re: Accretion discs pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-26 17:25 -0700
                        Re: Accretion discs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-27 02:14 +0000
                          Re: Accretion discs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 09:18 -0700
                            Re: Accretion discs Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 09:51 -0700
                              Re: Accretion discs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 10:47 -0700
                                Re: Accretion discs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-27 20:18 +0000
                                  Re: Accretion discs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 13:46 -0700
                                    Re: Accretion discs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-28 02:23 +0000
                                  Re: Accretion discs Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 10:39 -0700
    Re: Accretion discs "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 12:21 -0700
      Re: Accretion discs "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-04-28 16:05 -0700
      Re: Accretion discs "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 12:58 -0700
        Re: Accretion discs "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-04-30 13:35 -0700
        Re: Accretion discs "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 10:00 -0700
          Re: Accretion discs "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-05-01 12:30 -0700
          Re: Accretion discs "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 15:36 -0700
            Re: Accretion discs "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-05-01 19:53 -0700

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#630047 — Accretion discs

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-04-21 17:20 -0700
SubjectAccretion discs
Message-ID<389c9962-d426-47c4-b2f0-f111384a77da@googlegroups.com>
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/swift/bursts/shredded-star.html

The above shows what happens to matter.

I think that accretion discs are made from something 
else than matter; something that doesn't 
shred, but can't get out: photons.

I think trapped photons are what makes up
accretion discs. They get turned before they
get through, and keep going round and round

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#630088

Fromporaty350@gmail.com
Date2017-04-22 02:03 -0700
Message-ID<e52fa9a1-e093-4941-94e9-dd786cc60e69@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#630047
On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 3:20:48 AM UTC+3, john wrote:
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/swift/bursts/shredded-star.html
> 
> The above shows what happens to matter.
> 
> I think that accretion discs are made from something 
> else than matter; something that doesn't 
> shred, but can't get out: photons.
> 
> I think trapped photons are what makes up
> accretion discs. They get turned before they
> get through, and keep going round and round

===========================
you are getting closer :
see GOOGLE 
the y Circlon  mechanism 

it should be something  WITH MASS!!
 that is bouncing 
back and forth * endlessly* !in  curved paths !!
crating sort of a 
CLAMP !!!
--
THAT BECOMES STRONGER ANDSTRONGER (DENSER !!)
AS DISTANCE BECOMES SHORTHER 
AND SHORTHER !!!

and as such 
create** both** !!!
particles AND FORCES 
TIA
Y.Porat
================================

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#630094

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-04-22 07:17 -0700
Message-ID<465c2df3-10cb-481d-8778-52b90e16d0dd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#630088
Bert
Matter, (that creates an EFFECT called "mass"),
is made of charges. Electrons and protons
are charged, and when you accelerate them
around a black hole, they break apart because
the charges create opposite magnetic fields
when accelerated in the same circle. Capiche?
And then those excited ions are shot out the
huge magnetic poles that rise at right angles
to every galactic Center. Electrons one way and
protons the other.

But LIGHT is not charged, and should be
captured by the extreme spin and confined
to a disclike area around the Center.
The accretion disc.

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#630099

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-04-22 08:37 -0700
Message-ID<e42190fe-2b7a-49b1-9d51-c7f57a7a6eb5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#630094
In which case, Y., at a Black Hole's
accretion disc, light really might be reduced
to a smallest possible circular path-
a Circlon!!

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#630542

Fromporaty350@gmail.com
Date2017-04-25 03:12 -0700
Message-ID<74ae8544-9934-4e44-9451-736fc36a1b78@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#630099
On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 6:38:02 PM UTC+3, john wrote:
> In which case, Y., at a Black Hole's
> accretion disc, light really might be reduced
> to a smallest possible circular path-
> a Circlon!!
=================
THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION 

actually I don't quite understand your question
anyway
I can tell you that the smallest mass I found is 
about 
exp - 90 kilogram !!!
(it is unacceptable small  for us !!)

that is the mass of the smallest   photon 

so I can guess that
such a small mass can hardly  be easily attracted BY ANYTHING 
2
the concept of my circlon is that
only another circlon can change direction  of its  'fellow circlon
ONLY BY **COLLIDING** IT IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION !!:
ie
there can be a direction of collision  that will 
  enlarge the  others radius of   motion

or another direction  of collision that will diminish the radius of movement of the first circlon 

hope it helps to understand that mechanism 
TIA
Y.Porat
=====================================

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#630100

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-04-22 08:50 -0700
Message-ID<3987e114-a1ae-478f-baf5-9da589ce6f41@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#630094
Black Holes are simply extreme spin; spin that
is too intense for matter of our scale to
tolerate. The spin is not just spin, but spinning
matter that is all at scales smaller than ours-
Space.
Black Holes are spinning Space, and there
is not one atom of our matter that can
survive in there. They don't get crushed, they
get shredded; exploded into outwardly-moving
jets travelling at .9c.
They have SEEN THIS, NASA saw it:  
https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/swift/bursts/shredded-star.html

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#630170

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2017-04-22 17:12 -0700
Message-ID<ab942d89-ac68-4c84-9ed3-2216b7e05ee8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#630094
Poor John says
Bert 
Matter, (that creates an EFFECT called "mass"), 
is made of charges. Electrons and protons 
are charged, and when you accelerate them 
around a black hole, they break apart because 
the charges create opposite magnetic fields 
when accelerated in the same circle. Capiche? 
And then those excited ions are shot out the 
huge magnetic poles that rise at right angles 
to every galactic Center. Electrons one way and 
protons the other. 
----------

Hogwash

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#630214

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-04-23 06:12 -0700
Message-ID<5cb75cad-c4a9-40bd-9eb9-58cd9b6bb4a7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#630170
HVAC
"Hogwash"
Really?
Your QPO article
said stuff falls in and Jets form.
How does that happen?
How does "bouncing off" the accretion 
disc split incoming shredded material
into two oppositely-moving jets
positioned at right angles to the
galactic disc?
PLEASE explain.

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#630216

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2017-04-23 07:28 -0700
Message-ID<6f107571-4c37-43b7-9006-3d49231232ca@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#630214
Poor John says
HVAC 
"Hogwash" 

Really? 
Your QPO article 
said stuff falls in and Jets form. 
How does that happen? 
How does "bouncing off" the accretion 
disc split incoming shredded material 
into two oppositely-moving jets 
positioned at right angles to the 
galactic disc? 
PLEASE explain.
---------

I have explained before John. I'll try to make it as simple as possible this time. As matter is gravitationally attracted to a black hole it is shredded and friction drives to to such extreme temperatures that it gives off x-rays. In a poorly understood process, extreme magnetic forces form a magnetic 'funnel' on either pole of the bh. These forces whip mostly electrons into a relativistic jet. 

Any remaining questions John?

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#630240

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-04-23 10:08 -0700
Message-ID<6658c241-084a-4729-93dd-ab212814fe5d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#630216
HVAC
"..poorly understood process.."
Ya got THAT right, HVAC!!
That's one already this decade.

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#630353

Frombenj <nobody@gmail.com>
Date2017-04-24 00:35 -0400
Message-ID<58fd80a0$0$28962$c3e8da3$88b277c5@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#630216
On 04/23/2017 10:28 AM, HVAC wrote:
> Poor John says HVAC "Hogwash"
>
> Really? Your QPO article said stuff falls in and Jets form. How does
> that happen? How does "bouncing off" the accretion disc split
> incoming shredded material into two oppositely-moving jets positioned
> at right angles to the galactic disc? PLEASE explain. ---------
>
> I have explained before John. I'll try to make it as simple as
> possible this time. As matter is gravitationally attracted to a black
> hole it is shredded and friction drives to to such extreme
> temperatures that it gives off x-rays. In a poorly understood
> process, extreme magnetic forces form a magnetic 'funnel' on either
> pole of the bh. These forces whip mostly electrons into a
> relativistic jet.
>
> Any remaining questions John?
>
Say John, where have we heard "science" like "whipping electrons" 
before? Oh I remember it was one of Bert's imperial thinking Nobel 
theories. Namely the Spin is In thoery! HVAC knows almost as much 
science as Bert. (Bert already proved he knows more science than HVAC. 
Do you remember that incident? I will never forget it! So funny for the 
"Man who knows all science"!

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#630485

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-04-24 21:49 +0000
Message-ID<odlrsn$u50$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#630214
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>How does "bouncing off" the accretion 
>disc split incoming shredded material
>into two oppositely-moving jets
>positioned at right angles to the
>galactic disc?
>PLEASE explain.

"Bouncing off" the accretion disc is crap that you made up, not science.
HVAC doesn't need to explain figments of your imagination (nor can he).

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#630350

Frombenj <nobody@gmail.com>
Date2017-04-24 00:24 -0400
Message-ID<58fd7e0e$0$34650$c3e8da3$dbd57e7@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#630170
On 04/22/2017 08:12 PM, HVAC wrote:
> Poor John says
> Bert
> Matter, (that creates an EFFECT called "mass"),
> is made of charges. Electrons and protons
> are charged, and when you accelerate them
> around a black hole, they break apart because
> the charges create opposite magnetic fields
> when accelerated in the same circle. Capiche?
> And then those excited ions are shot out the
> huge magnetic poles that rise at right angles
> to every galactic Center. Electrons one way and
> protons the other.
> ----------
>
> Hogwash
>
John, the above is what HVAC considers a discussion of science.

Really digs into the science issues, doesn't it! What a fraud.

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#630101

From"Kevin Jones" <mapihapimapihapal@gmal.com>
Date2017-04-22 08:55 -0700
Message-ID<odfugl$1mnb$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#630088
>you are getting closer :
>see GOOGLE 
>the y Circlon  mechanism 

Hello!

You are insane!

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#630146

From"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2017-04-22 15:17 -0700
Message-ID<375afcea-55c6-4db1-9bc1-89abf1f02c04@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#630047
On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 5:20:48 PM UTC-7, john wrote:
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/swift/bursts/shredded-star.html
> 
> The above shows what happens to matter.
> 
> I think that accretion discs are made from something 
> else than matter; something that doesn't 
> shred, but can't get out: photons.
> 
> I think trapped photons are what makes up
> accretion discs. They get turned before they
> get through, and keep going round and round

Not trapped but in an orbit that looks like a question mark.The bigger the BH the bigger the question mark. Reality is the bigger the BH the bigger the galaxy.Think Andramida as to the Milky way.Trebert

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#630219

FromHVAC <Harlowcampbell@gmail.com>
Date2017-04-23 11:05 -0400
Message-ID<5d274d91-7a69-ff46-33a8-952bfe61cb22@gmail.com>
In reply to#630146
On 4/22/2017 6:17 PM, reber G=emc^2 wrote:
> Reality is the bigger the BH the bigger the galaxy.Think Andramida as to the Milky way.Trebert

That's not necessarily true. However there is a relationship between the 
mass of a galactic supermassive black hole and the galactic bulge.

See: M-Sigma

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#630354

Frombenj <nobody@gmail.com>
Date2017-04-24 00:36 -0400
Message-ID<58fd80d7$0$28962$c3e8da3$88b277c5@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#630219
On 04/23/2017 11:05 AM, HVAC wrote:
> On 4/22/2017 6:17 PM, reber G=emc^2 wrote:
>> Reality is the bigger the BH the bigger the galaxy.Think Andramida as
>> to the Milky way.Trebert
>
> That's not necessarily true. However there is a relationship between the
> mass of a galactic supermassive black hole and the galactic bulge.
>
> See: M-Sigma

Trolling Kook Babble.

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#630386

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2017-04-24 02:16 -0700
Message-ID<0cb56bb8-075f-4425-93ca-fbe1562070a8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#630354
BJ quacked
> That's not necessarily true. However there is a relationship between the 
> mass of a galactic supermassive black hole and the galactic bulge. 
> 
> See: M-Sigma 

Trolling Kook Babble. 
-----------

Perhaps. However MY kook babble is supported by evidence. Your belief in ghosts, esp and insane conspiracy theories is not supported by ANY evidence.

Does that make you mad?

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#630452

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-04-24 16:11 -0400
Message-ID<58fe5c0f$0$4514$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#630386
On 4/24/2017 5:16 AM, HVAC wrote:
> BJ quacked
>> That's not necessarily true. However there is a relationship
>> between the mass of a galactic supermassive black hole and the
>> galactic bulge.
>>
>> See: M-Sigma
>
> Trolling Kook Babble. -----------
>
> Perhaps. However MY kook babble is supported by evidence. Your belief
> in ghosts, esp and insane conspiracy theories is not supported by ANY
> evidence.
>
> Does that make you mad?
>
So you got Odd on your side to back you up? WOW! That sure proves you
are on the money! How can you believe in things nobody has ever seen
like BB and BHs? That's not science that is insane.

Of course there is government funded science to back up ESP, even though 
you just make up your own "results" and believe them. Perhaps one day 
you'll join me in the despised, marginalized, reality-based community?

And Oh yeah, I forgot. Politicians (like you) ALWAYS tell the truth and 
NEVER get caught in crimes and go to jail. That sure is a wonderful 
world you live in!

If you SAY something is true, nobody needs any more proof that that!

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#630467

From"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2017-04-24 13:45 -0700
Message-ID<fa3653a7-9236-4e34-991a-001f64dfb5b7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#630452
On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 1:12:02 PM UTC-7, benj wrote:
> On 4/24/2017 5:16 AM, HVAC wrote:
> > BJ quacked
> >> That's not necessarily true. However there is a relationship
> >> between the mass of a galactic supermassive black hole and the
> >> galactic bulge.
> >>
> >> See: M-Sigma
> >
> > Trolling Kook Babble. -----------
> >
> > Perhaps. However MY kook babble is supported by evidence. Your belief
> > in ghosts, esp and insane conspiracy theories is not supported by ANY
> > evidence.
> >
> > Does that make you mad?
> >
> So you got Odd on your side to back you up? WOW! That sure proves you
> are on the money! How can you believe in things nobody has ever seen
> like BB and BHs? That's not science that is insane.
> 
> Of course there is government funded science to back up ESP, even though 
> you just make up your own "results" and believe them. Perhaps one day 
> you'll join me in the despised, marginalized, reality-based community?
> 
> And Oh yeah, I forgot. Politicians (like you) ALWAYS tell the truth and 
> NEVER get caught in crimes and go to jail. That sure is a wonderful 
> world you live in!
> 
> If you SAY something is true, nobody needs any more proof that that!

benj Big crimes are done by GOP Mafia,and they own the jails.That is a given.TreBert

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