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Breakthroughs

Started byjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
First post2017-03-23 18:28 -0700
Last post2017-03-27 09:27 -0700
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  Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 18:28 -0700
    Re: Breakthroughs Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-03-23 20:56 -0500
    Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-23 18:57 -0700
      Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 19:35 -0700
        Re: Breakthroughs pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-03-23 19:49 -0700
          Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 20:14 -0700
          Re: Breakthroughs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-24 14:52 +0000
            Re: Breakthroughs noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 10:19 -0700
        Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-23 22:32 -0700
    Re: Breakthroughs benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 02:14 -0400
      Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 04:59 -0700
        Re: Breakthroughs benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:18 -0400
          Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 11:41 -0700
            Re: Breakthroughs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-25 17:07 -0400
    Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 07:40 -0500
      Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 05:46 -0700
        Re: Breakthroughs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-24 14:53 +0000
          Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-24 08:15 -0700
      Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 07:03 -0700
        Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 07:15 -0700
        Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 09:24 -0500
          Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 09:29 -0500
          Re: Breakthroughs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-24 18:03 -0400
            Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 07:11 -0700
              Re: Breakthroughs Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-03-25 11:26 -0500
                Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 10:11 -0700
              Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:06 -0500
                Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 12:52 -0700
                  Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 13:09 -0700
                    Re: Breakthroughs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-25 17:15 -0400
                      Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:20 -0700
                        Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:28 -0700
                          Re: Breakthroughs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-25 23:12 +0000
                            Re: Breakthroughs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-25 19:54 -0400
                              Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 17:11 -0700
                                Re: Breakthroughs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-25 20:16 -0400
                                  Re: Breakthroughs jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-03-26 01:15 +0000
                                  Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 03:03 -0700
                                    Re: Breakthroughs benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 00:51 -0400
                                  Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 03:03 -0700
                                    Re: Breakthroughs benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 00:50 -0400
                            Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-25 22:49 -0700
                            Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 07:37 -0700
                              Re: Breakthroughs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-26 23:52 +0000
                                Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 17:31 -0700
                                  Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 17:40 -0700
                                    Re: Breakthroughs benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 00:38 -0400
                                  Re: Breakthroughs Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-03-26 19:40 -0500
                                    Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 18:32 -0700
                                      Re: Breakthroughs Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-03-26 20:54 -0500
                                        Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 19:18 -0700
                                      Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 23:03 -0700
                                      Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 23:07 -0700
                                  Re: Breakthroughs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-27 04:56 +0000
                                    Re: Breakthroughs benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 01:10 -0400
                                    Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 23:16 -0700
                              Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 23:00 -0700
                              Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 07:52 -0500
                                Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 05:59 -0700
                                  Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 08:03 -0500
                                    Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-28 05:26 -0700
                                  Re: Breakthroughs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-27 13:19 +0000
                                    Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 07:48 -0700
                                      Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 08:02 -0700
                                        Re: Breakthroughs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-27 17:06 -0400
                                          Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 17:32 -0700
                                            Re: Breakthroughs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-27 21:14 -0400
                                              Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 05:09 -0700
                                                Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 05:19 -0700
                                                  Re: Breakthroughs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-28 13:26 +0000
                                                    Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 07:21 -0700
                                                      Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 11:08 -0500
                                                      Re: Breakthroughs Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-03-28 11:40 -0500
                                                      Re: Breakthroughs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-28 20:23 +0000
                                                  Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 07:43 -0700
                                                    Re: Breakthroughs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-28 16:06 -0400
                                                    Re: Breakthroughs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-28 20:28 +0000
                                                  Re: Breakthroughs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-28 15:55 -0400
                                                Re: Breakthroughs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-28 15:54 -0400
                                      Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 10:09 -0500
                                        Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 09:42 -0700
                                          Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 11:52 -0500
                                          Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 11:54 -0500
                                          Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 12:09 -0500
                                            Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-28 05:37 -0700
                                          Re: Breakthroughs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-27 17:41 +0000
                                            Re: Breakthroughs noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 14:38 -0700
                                        Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-28 05:31 -0700
                                    Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-28 05:29 -0700
                                  Re: Breakthroughs noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 08:25 -0700
                          Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 07:50 -0500
                            Re: Breakthroughs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-27 17:04 -0400
                            Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-28 05:23 -0700
                        Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 07:48 -0500
                  Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 16:18 -0500
                  Re: Breakthroughs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-25 23:06 +0000
                    Re: Breakthroughs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-25 19:48 -0400
                      Re: Breakthroughs noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 20:17 -0700
        Re: Breakthroughs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-24 14:59 +0000
          Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 10:03 -0500
            Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-24 08:18 -0700
        Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-24 08:13 -0700
          Re: Breakthroughs Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-03-24 14:29 -0500
            Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-25 22:40 -0700
    Re: Breakthroughs The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-03-24 11:05 -0800
      Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 12:10 -0700
    Re: Breakthroughs gmbr3359@gmail.com - 2017-03-25 23:18 -0700
      Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 03:36 -0700
        Re: Breakthroughs noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 09:27 -0700

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#625521

Fromporaty350@gmail.com
Date2017-03-28 05:26 -0700
Message-ID<86b3249b-1484-4346-9a38-7e212fa63149@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#625323
On Monday, March 27, 2017 at 4:03:42 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 3/27/2017 7:59 AM, john wrote:
> > Odd
> > "
> > Cosmic rays don't travel straight because they are electrically charged
> > and they're present in the magnetic field of the earth. The neutral
> > components of cosmic rays DO travel in straight lines. "
> >
> > So what? If one component within your "vacuum "
> > can find purchase to curve, your argument is shot.
> >
> > "The super-fine emr or neutrinos you propose do not have electric charge. "
> >
> > Oh, now a pronouncement on what these subphotons
> > that you don't believe in can and cannot have?
> >
> 
> If you're going to say they are charged, John, then don't call them 
> sub-photons or sub-neutrinos. Both photons and neutrinos are uncharged.
> 
> Now, if you are supposing that electrons radiate charged thingies that 
> bend around in circles to hit from behind, then you're going to have to 
> worry about the law of conservation of charge.
> 
> You haven't yet explained why replacing the ping pong ball with a 
> charged glass ball results in observing the glass ball now moving AWAY 
> from the glass rod.
> 
> Nor have you explained why the piece of paper has no effect.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
====================
have you ever hear about 
they circlon   mechanism ???!
Y.Porat
===========================

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#625325

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-03-27 13:19 +0000
Message-ID<obb3hs$ree$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#625322
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>"
>Cosmic rays don't travel straight because they are electrically charged 
>and they're present in the magnetic field of the earth. The neutral 
>components of cosmic rays DO travel in straight lines. "

>So what? If one component within your "vacuum "
>can find purchase to curve, your argument is shot.

>"The super-fine emr or neutrinos you propose do not have electric charge. "

>Oh, now a pronouncement on what these subphotons
>that you don't believe in can and cannot have?

So if they DO have charge, then there's yet another law of physics 
(conservation of charge) your magical subphotons violate, and therefore
yet another reason to reject the whole idea of those retarded subphotons
completely.

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#625331

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-27 07:48 -0700
Message-ID<ca96414e-6ec7-4ae7-bf44-d05799f8d2bf@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#625325
Odd and MM
I really don't get what
makes you think that whatever happens with
glass rods etc
is all one mechanism?

A flag flaps like it does because of many
factors.

One thing I've noticed about you two
is a dog-like concentration on every 
subject that excludes everything else.
You focus in way too tight, and lose all
the peripheral immediately.
Are glass rods effects Gravity? Are they
magnetism? Are they charge?
Wtf are you arguing, Odd?

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#625332

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-27 08:02 -0700
Message-ID<e5313a24-d5d9-4366-b0e9-38c509997027@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#625331
Poor John says
One thing I've noticed about you two 
is a dog-like concentration on every 
subject that excludes everything else. 
You focus in way too tight, and lose all 
the peripheral immediately. 
Are glass rods effects Gravity? Are they 
magnetism? Are they charge? 
Wtf are you arguing, Odd? 
------------

One thing I've noticed about you John, is that you never put forth answers to physics questions that are posed to you in support of your 'ideas'. Instead you just ask another question to divert attention away from answering the questions or to you.

Just my two cents.

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#625408

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-03-27 17:06 -0400
Message-ID<58d97ee0$0$17455$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#625332
On 3/27/2017 11:02 AM, HVAC wrote:
> Poor John says
> One thing I've noticed about you two
> is a dog-like concentration on every
> subject that excludes everything else.
> You focus in way too tight, and lose all
> the peripheral immediately.
> Are glass rods effects Gravity? Are they
> magnetism? Are they charge?
> Wtf are you arguing, Odd?
> ------------
>
> One thing I've noticed about you John, is that you never put forth answers to physics questions that are posed to you in support of your 'ideas'. Instead you just ask another question to divert attention away from answering the questions or to you.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
At least John diverts to other science. You always divert to sex, bodily 
functions and name-calling insults. We already proved beyond any doubt 
here that John knows FAR more science than you do. You can no longer 
fool anyone with your claims of omniscience.

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#625458

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-27 17:32 -0700
Message-ID<f1273191-96a1-44ff-98e7-ab86b30664f4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#625408
BJ quacked
> 
> One thing I've noticed about you John, is that you never put forth answers to physics questions that are posed to you in support of your 'ideas'. Instead you just ask another question to divert attention away from answering the questions or to you. 
> 
> Just my two cents. 
> 
At least John diverts to other science.
-----------

What *you* consider science. Kook science is what it is.

You are a disgrace to science. You are fucking clown shoes

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#625470

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-03-27 21:14 -0400
Message-ID<58d9b8fa$0$57922$c3e8da3$aae71a0a@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#625458
On 3/27/2017 8:32 PM, HVAC wrote:
> BJ quacked
>>
>> One thing I've noticed about you John, is that you never put forth answers to physics questions that are posed to you in support of your 'ideas'. Instead you just ask another question to divert attention away from answering the questions or to you.
>>
>> Just my two cents.
>>
> At least John diverts to other science.
> -----------
>
> What *you* consider science. Kook science is what it is.
>
> You are a disgrace to science. You are fucking clown shoes
>
Still waiting for you to say anything "scientific". What school did you 
"attend" (they always say that when they flunked out) again?

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#625514

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-28 05:09 -0700
Message-ID<8a7f0bd8-3773-4f5a-93e0-02796d7679ec@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#625470
BJ quacked
Still waiting for you to say anything "scientific". 
-------------

Ditto

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#625519

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-28 05:19 -0700
Message-ID<b82f6bfa-78d1-4a57-899c-2a2d1290c1e2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#625514
HVAC
"Ditto "
What the heck, HVAC!
Why don't you go first?

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#625534

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-03-28 13:26 +0000
Message-ID<obdob2$jhr$3@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#625519
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>HVAC

>> BJ quacked
>> Still waiting for you to say anything "scientific". 

>"Ditto "
>What the heck, HVAC!
>Why don't you go first?

Why don't YOU go first?  Or last? Or at all?

You NEVER give an explanation of why you believe what you believe.

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#625544

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-28 07:21 -0700
Message-ID<74198036-44d1-48f3-97c8-0a949bcb73f2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#625534
MM
"
You NEVER give an explanation of why you believe what you believe. "
I believe the Universe is a Fractal, is everywhere 
and everything.
I believe this because, as I've said, lots,
"There is no smallest because smaller is smaller."
The Universe has always Been.
There is No such Thing as Nothing.

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#625577

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-28 11:08 -0500
Message-ID<obe1qp$2g5$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#625544
On 3/28/2017 9:21 AM, john wrote:
> MM
> "
> You NEVER give an explanation of why you believe what you believe. "
> I believe the Universe is a Fractal, is everywhere
> and everything.
> I believe this because, as I've said, lots,

=======

> "There is no smallest because smaller is smaller."
> The Universe has always Been.
> There is No such Thing as Nothing.
>

Let's look at these three statements in reverse order.

1. "There is No such Thing as Nothing." This may be trivially true, in 
the sense that the word "nothing" means "no thing present". However, I'm 
not aware of any physical theory that describes ANYTHING that would be 
classed as "nothing" in this sense. Everything in physical theories is a 
Thing. Spacetime is a Thing, Electrons are Things. Now, there may be 
other unjustified statements underneath this one, like "Only material 
things are Things, so that spacetime is not a Thing" (which is an 
unjustified statement) or "Only things that have volume are Things, so 
that an electron cannot be a Thing" (which is another unjustified 
statement). So the statement "There is No such Thing as Nothing" may be 
trivially true but irrelevant.

2. The Universe has always Been. This is a completely unjustified belief.

3. "There is no smallest because smaller is smaller." This may be an 
argument that the word "smallest" has no semantic meaning. The word 
"smallest" itself has a DEFINITION which means "the descriptor of a 
thing for which there is no smaller instance." Now, you John wish to 
believe that there MUST ALWAYS be a smaller instance. Why you would 
choose to believe that, nobody knows.

Unjustified beliefs, expressed only in sound bites, every one.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#625585

FromSerg io <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-03-28 11:40 -0500
Message-ID<obe3mg$65e$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#625544
On 3/28/2017 9:21 AM, john wrote:
> MM
> "
> You NEVER give an explanation of why you believe what you believe. "
> I believe the Universe is a Fractal, is everywhere
> and everything.


fractals were invented in 1975

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#625645

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-03-28 20:23 +0000
Message-ID<obegni$o2t$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#625544
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"
>You NEVER give an explanation of why you believe what you believe. "
>I believe the Universe is a Fractal, is everywhere 
>and everything.
>I believe this because, as I've said, lots,
>"There is no smallest because smaller is smaller."
>The Universe has always Been.
>There is No such Thing as Nothing.

You have never explained why you believe any of these. Ever.

"There is no smallest because smaller is smaller."

That's like saying "there's no oldest person because older is
older."  But somewhere on earth, there is a person who is the
oldest person on earth. Of course that always is changing since
the oldest person eventually dies and gets replaced by the next
oldest person as the new oldest.  Similarly, there is a set of
smallest particles, with no evidence of anything smaller.

"The Universe has always Been."

Why do you believe this to be true?

"There is No such Thing as Nothing."

Do you believe in/understand the concept of zero?
Like "there are zero dragons in the room with me now."

There are many more unanswered questions, such as why does dark
matter get your panties in a twist (other than 6 year olds who
could explain it just run away), what's wrong with structureless
zero size particles, etc.

And one thing glaringly missing is why you believe in retarded
precessing spinny things?  Why do you believe retarded precessing
spinny things are somehow the answer to everything?

"Explain benzene."

"Precessing spinny things."

"Explain neon."

"Precessing spinny things."

"Why is the sky blue?"

"Precessing spinny things."

"Why is water wet?"

"Precessing spinny things."

(Of course I know the real answer)

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#625550

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-28 07:43 -0700
Message-ID<3e06af2d-67f0-47ba-aa89-f4ef0851d341@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#625519
Poor John says
HVAC 
"Ditto " 
What the heck, HVAC! 
Why don't you go first? 
----------------

To what end John? I've seen Mr. Bodkin and Mr. Moroney attempt
to impart rational science into this group and as hard as they
try, it doesn't sink in. You and BJ have your kook science and 
NOTHING will ever bring you into the light.

I realized this over 20 years ago on these groups.

Now it's strictly entertainment for me.

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#625637

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-03-28 16:06 -0400
Message-ID<58dac244$0$41974$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#625550
On 3/28/2017 10:43 AM, HVAC wrote:
> Poor John says
> HVAC
> "Ditto "
> What the heck, HVAC!
> Why don't you go first?
> ----------------
>
> To what end John? I've seen Mr. Bodkin and Mr. Moroney attempt
> to impart rational science into this group and as hard as they
> try, it doesn't sink in. You and BJ have your kook science and
> NOTHING will ever bring you into the light.
>
> I realized this over 20 years ago on these groups.
>
> Now it's strictly entertainment for me.
>
What he means is Odd and HVAC try to impart their establishment 
propaganda nonsense to the group, and when they get called out for being 
illogical and ignorant, they immediately say that everyone ELSE are the 
stupid ones. At least Odd COULD think even though he refuses to do so. 
HVAC simply does not have the equipment needed to think.

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#625647

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-03-28 20:28 +0000
Message-ID<obeh25$o2t$3@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#625550
HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> writes:

>Poor John says
>HVAC 
>"Ditto " 
>What the heck, HVAC! 
>Why don't you go first? 
>----------------

>To what end John? I've seen Mr. Bodkin and Mr. Moroney attempt
>to impart rational science into this group and as hard as they
>try, it doesn't sink in. You and BJ have your kook science and 
>NOTHING will ever bring you into the light.

>I realized this over 20 years ago on these groups.

>Now it's strictly entertainment for me.

Same here.  I really know the likes of John are ineducatable and
incurable.  I'm actually here because I like to watch all the kooks
kook in here.

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#625631

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-03-28 15:55 -0400
Message-ID<58dabf9a$0$57930$c3e8da3$aae71a0a@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#625519
On 3/28/2017 8:19 AM, john wrote:
> HVAC
> "Ditto "
> What the heck, HVAC!
> Why don't you go first?
>
He can't John, because as usualy he has nothing upstairs. All he can do 
is plagiarize what others have said first. He's a nutjob.

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#625630

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-03-28 15:54 -0400
Message-ID<58dabf5c$0$57930$c3e8da3$aae71a0a@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#625514
On 3/28/2017 8:09 AM, HVAC drooled:
> BJ quacked
> Still waiting for you to say anything "scientific".
> -------------
>
> Ditto
>
There you go folks. This remark is what looner HVAC calls "discussing 
science".

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#625334

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-27 10:09 -0500
Message-ID<obb9vf$1clp$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#625331
On 3/27/2017 9:48 AM, john wrote:
> Odd and MM
> I really don't get what
> makes you think that whatever happens with
> glass rods etc
> is all one mechanism?

OK, so what you are saying is that when a charged glass rod makes a 
charged ping pong ball approach, this is due to one mechanism: 
subphotons emitted from the glass rod circling around to hit the ping 
pong ball from the backside to push it inward.
But when the charged ping pong ball is replaced with a charged glass 
ball, now the subphotons emitted from the glass rod NO LONGER circle 
around to hit the glass ball from the backside, and instead they go in 
straight lines to hit the glass ball from the frontside, to make the 
glass ball recede from the rod?

Is this what you're saying, John?
What the hell makes the subphotons do THAT?

>
> A flag flaps like it does because of many
> factors.
>
> One thing I've noticed about you two
> is a dog-like concentration on every
> subject that excludes everything else.

You have made the statement that ALL attractive forces are illogical.

> You focus in way too tight, and lose all
> the peripheral immediately.
> Are glass rods effects Gravity? Are they
> magnetism? Are they charge?
> Wtf are you arguing, Odd?
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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