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| Started by | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2017-03-23 18:28 -0700 |
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Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 18:28 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-03-23 20:56 -0500
Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-23 18:57 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 19:35 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-03-23 19:49 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 20:14 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-24 14:52 +0000
Re: Breakthroughs noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 10:19 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-23 22:32 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 02:14 -0400
Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 04:59 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:18 -0400
Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 11:41 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-25 17:07 -0400
Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 07:40 -0500
Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 05:46 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-24 14:53 +0000
Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-24 08:15 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 07:03 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 07:15 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 09:24 -0500
Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 09:29 -0500
Re: Breakthroughs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-24 18:03 -0400
Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 07:11 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-03-25 11:26 -0500
Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 10:11 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:06 -0500
Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 12:52 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 13:09 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-25 17:15 -0400
Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:20 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:28 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-25 23:12 +0000
Re: Breakthroughs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-25 19:54 -0400
Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 17:11 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-25 20:16 -0400
Re: Breakthroughs jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-03-26 01:15 +0000
Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 03:03 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 00:51 -0400
Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 03:03 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 00:50 -0400
Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-25 22:49 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 07:37 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-26 23:52 +0000
Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 17:31 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 17:40 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 00:38 -0400
Re: Breakthroughs Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-03-26 19:40 -0500
Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 18:32 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-03-26 20:54 -0500
Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 19:18 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 23:03 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 23:07 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-27 04:56 +0000
Re: Breakthroughs benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 01:10 -0400
Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 23:16 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 23:00 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 07:52 -0500
Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 05:59 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 08:03 -0500
Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-28 05:26 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-27 13:19 +0000
Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 07:48 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 08:02 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-27 17:06 -0400
Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 17:32 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-27 21:14 -0400
Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 05:09 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 05:19 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-28 13:26 +0000
Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 07:21 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 11:08 -0500
Re: Breakthroughs Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-03-28 11:40 -0500
Re: Breakthroughs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-28 20:23 +0000
Re: Breakthroughs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 07:43 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-28 16:06 -0400
Re: Breakthroughs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-28 20:28 +0000
Re: Breakthroughs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-28 15:55 -0400
Re: Breakthroughs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-28 15:54 -0400
Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 10:09 -0500
Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 09:42 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 11:52 -0500
Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 11:54 -0500
Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 12:09 -0500
Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-28 05:37 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-27 17:41 +0000
Re: Breakthroughs noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 14:38 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-28 05:31 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-28 05:29 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 08:25 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 07:50 -0500
Re: Breakthroughs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-27 17:04 -0400
Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-28 05:23 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 07:48 -0500
Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 16:18 -0500
Re: Breakthroughs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-25 23:06 +0000
Re: Breakthroughs benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-25 19:48 -0400
Re: Breakthroughs noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 20:17 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-24 14:59 +0000
Re: Breakthroughs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 10:03 -0500
Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-24 08:18 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-24 08:13 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-03-24 14:29 -0500
Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-25 22:40 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-03-24 11:05 -0800
Re: Breakthroughs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 12:10 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs gmbr3359@gmail.com - 2017-03-25 23:18 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 03:36 -0700
Re: Breakthroughs noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 09:27 -0700
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-27 09:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <b4243181-d8f6-40b8-821d-d5c25f875c70@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #625334 |
Odd "On 3/27/2017 9:48 AM, john wrote: > Odd and MM > I really don't get what > makes you think that whatever happens with > glass rods etc > is all one mechanism? OK, so what you are saying is that when a charged glass rod makes a charged ping pong ball approach, this is due to one mechanism: subphotons emitted from the glass rod circling around to hit the ping pong ball from the backside to push it inward. " No. I never said that. Subphotons cause gravity. "But when the charged ping pong ball is replaced with a charged glass ball, now the subphotons emitted from the glass rod NO LONGER circle around to hit the glass ball from the backside, and instead they go in straight lines to hit the glass ball from the frontside, to make the glass ball recede from the rod? " No. Subphotons go as straight as photons. "Is this what you're saying, John? What the hell makes the subphotons do THAT? " There are ALL the radiations we know of at the next level down. How do they all work? When do all they come into play? If I can't totally describe that for you, then that proves they don't exist? > > A flag flaps like it does because of many > factors. > > One thing I've noticed about you two > is a dog-like concentration on every > subject that excludes everything else. "You have made the statement that ALL attractive forces are illogical. " So? Describe how an attractive force works. I have said that some pushes curve. HOW DO YOUR ATTRACTIVE FORCES WORK????
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-27 11:52 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <obbfvr$1po1$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #625350 |
On 3/27/2017 11:42 AM, john wrote: > Odd > "On 3/27/2017 9:48 AM, john wrote: >> Odd and MM >> I really don't get what >> makes you think that whatever happens with >> glass rods etc >> is all one mechanism? > > OK, so what you are saying is that when a charged glass rod makes a > charged ping pong ball approach, this is due to one mechanism: > subphotons emitted from the glass rod circling around to hit the ping > pong ball from the backside to push it inward. " > > No. I never said that. Subphotons cause gravity. Ah, ok, sorry, my bad. So what again is the thing that curls around and hits the backside of the charged ping pong ball? > > "But when the charged ping pong ball is replaced with a charged glass > ball, now the subphotons emitted from the glass rod NO LONGER circle > around to hit the glass ball from the backside, and instead they go in > straight lines to hit the glass ball from the frontside, to make the > glass ball recede from the rod? " > > No. Subphotons go as straight as photons. So what happened to the things that were emitted from the glass rod and curled around to hit the backside of charged things nearby? > > "Is this what you're saying, John? > What the hell makes the subphotons do THAT? " > > There are ALL the radiations we know of at > the next level down. How do they all work? > When do all they come into play? If I can't > totally describe that for you, then that proves > they don't exist? John, I'm looking for a coherent hypothesis from you that is consistent with what you consider to be logical. > >> >> A flag flaps like it does because of many >> factors. >> >> One thing I've noticed about you two >> is a dog-like concentration on every >> subject that excludes everything else. > > "You have made the statement that ALL attractive forces are illogical. " > > So? Describe how an attractive force works. > I have said that some pushes curve. HOW > DO YOUR ATTRACTIVE FORCES WORK???? > Here are your options at this point: - You can deny that this observed phenomenon ever happens. - You can say that you cannot think of any explanation that could fit what you consider logical, and so it is a miracle. - You can reconsider what you think is logical and what is not logical. - You can come up with the explanation. Are you saying that you consider it an unexplainable miracle that the charged ping pong ball moves toward the rod, regardless whether there is paper inserted in between or not? Keep in mind that replacing the ping pong ball with a charged glass ball results in the glass ball moving away. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-27 11:54 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <obbg46$1po1$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #625350 |
On 3/27/2017 11:42 AM, john wrote: > Odd > "On 3/27/2017 9:48 AM, john wrote: >> Odd and MM >> I really don't get what >> makes you think that whatever happens with >> glass rods etc >> is all one mechanism? > > OK, so what you are saying is that when a charged glass rod makes a > charged ping pong ball approach, this is due to one mechanism: > subphotons emitted from the glass rod circling around to hit the ping > pong ball from the backside to push it inward. " > > No. I never said that. Subphotons cause gravity. > > "But when the charged ping pong ball is replaced with a charged glass > ball, now the subphotons emitted from the glass rod NO LONGER circle > around to hit the glass ball from the backside, and instead they go in > straight lines to hit the glass ball from the frontside, to make the > glass ball recede from the rod? " > > No. Subphotons go as straight as photons. Where were these subphotons when the charged ping pong ball was brought in proximity to the glass rod? Why didn't they push the ping pong ball away? > > "Is this what you're saying, John? > What the hell makes the subphotons do THAT? " > > There are ALL the radiations we know of at > the next level down. How do they all work? > When do all they come into play? If I can't > totally describe that for you, then that proves > they don't exist? > >> >> A flag flaps like it does because of many >> factors. >> >> One thing I've noticed about you two >> is a dog-like concentration on every >> subject that excludes everything else. > > "You have made the statement that ALL attractive forces are illogical. " > > So? Describe how an attractive force works. > I have said that some pushes curve. HOW > DO YOUR ATTRACTIVE FORCES WORK???? > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-27 12:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <obbh0v$1rqp$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #625350 |
On 3/27/2017 11:42 AM, john wrote: > So? Describe how an attractive force works. > I have said that some pushes curve. HOW > DO YOUR ATTRACTIVE FORCES WORK???? You haven't explained what happens to your curving pushes when you simply change the thing being pushed. Nor have you explained how a piece of paper inserted in between doesn't even impact how much the push is. I sense your frustration. To you, unless something fits into a small catalog of explanations you have, it is something you think is ILLOGICAL. You believe that only pushes can happen because one material body pushing against another is the only thing that can ever happen. And so if you run into something that resists explanation that way, it suddenly becomes .... oooooohhh ..... magic. This is how a magician plies his trade. He makes something happen, and mentally you the audience member have a catalog of ways that thing could have possibly happened. And then the magician rules systematically rules out all the possible things in your catalog until you have no catalog items left, and you say, "Well, it has to be magic then!" Of course, it's not magic, it's quite ordinary, but it doesn't belong to the narrow catalog of explanations you keep in your head. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | poraty350@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-03-28 05:37 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <36ccf928-6503-4b97-865b-3dcf9b6fba35@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #625356 |
On Monday, March 27, 2017 at 8:09:56 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 3/27/2017 11:42 AM, john wrote: > > So? Describe how an attractive force works. > > I have said that some pushes curve. HOW > > DO YOUR ATTRACTIVE FORCES WORK???? > > You haven't explained what happens to your curving pushes when you > simply change the thing being pushed. Nor have you explained how a piece > of paper inserted in between doesn't even impact how much the push is. > > I sense your frustration. To you, unless something fits into a small > catalog of explanations you have, it is something you think is > ILLOGICAL. You believe that only pushes can happen because one material > body pushing against another is the only thing that can ever happen. And > so if you run into something that resists explanation that way, it > suddenly becomes .... oooooohhh ..... magic. > > This is how a magician plies his trade. He makes something happen, and > mentally you the audience member have a catalog of ways that thing could > have possibly happened. And then the magician rules systematically rules > out all the possible things in your catalog until you have no catalog > items left, and you say, "Well, it has to be magic then!" Of course, > it's not magic, it's quite ordinary, but it doesn't belong to the narrow > catalog of explanations you keep in your head. > > -- > Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables ======================== momentum collision of masses can bring only push separation !!! ================== Y.Porat ========================
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-03-27 17:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <obbit0$6hq$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #625350 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Odd >"You have made the statement that ALL attractive forces are illogical. " >So? Describe how an attractive force works. The Electric Field. F=k*q1*q2/r^2. k is Coulomb's constant and q1 and q2 have opposite signs for attraction. r is the distance between the charges. Now tell us, with all your fractal universe and precessing spinny thing ideas, why is the charged ping pong ball attracted to the charged glass rod? Why is the charged glass ball repelled? Why doesn't placing a piece of cardboard between the charged objects, or behind them, change anything? Remember, any answer you give must be consistent with the real world. (but you won't answer, you'll just try to evade some more)
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-27 14:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bde8021e-babc-419f-9213-862e1213d04f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #625364 |
photonshield? > (but you won't answer, you'll just try to evade some more)
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| From | poraty350@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-03-28 05:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <069166c2-f708-4c74-8d8b-10af8d5bf9e0@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #625334 |
On Monday, March 27, 2017 at 6:09:40 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 3/27/2017 9:48 AM, john wrote: > > Odd and MM > > I really don't get what > > makes you think that whatever happens with > > glass rods etc > > is all one mechanism? > > OK, so what you are saying is that when a charged glass rod makes a > charged ping pong ball approach, this is due to one mechanism: > subphotons emitted from the glass rod circling around to hit the ping > pong ball from the backside to push it inward. > But when the charged ping pong ball is replaced with a charged glass > ball, now the subphotons emitted from the glass rod NO LONGER circle > around to hit the glass ball from the backside, and instead they go in > straight lines to hit the glass ball from the frontside, to make the > glass ball recede from the rod? > > Is this what you're saying, John? > What the hell makes the subphotons do THAT? > > > > > A flag flaps like it does because of many > > factors. > > > > One thing I've noticed about you two > > is a dog-like concentration on every > > subject that excludes everything else. > > You have made the statement that ALL attractive forces are illogical. > > > You focus in way too tight, and lose all > > the peripheral immediately. > > Are glass rods effects Gravity? Are they > > magnetism? Are they charge? > > Wtf are you arguing, Odd? > > > > > -- > Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables ====================== JHON IS ABSOLUTLY RIGHT !!! Y.Porat ================================
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| From | poraty350@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-03-28 05:29 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <70e951cc-71ee-4915-bfac-8912d32a37ad@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #625325 |
On Monday, March 27, 2017 at 4:19:59 PM UTC+3, Michael Moroney wrote: > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: > > >Odd > >" > >Cosmic rays don't travel straight because they are electrically charged > >and they're present in the magnetic field of the earth. The neutral > >components of cosmic rays DO travel in straight lines. " > > >So what? If one component within your "vacuum " > >can find purchase to curve, your argument is shot. > > >"The super-fine emr or neutrinos you propose do not have electric charge. " > > >Oh, now a pronouncement on what these subphotons > >that you don't believe in can and cannot have? > > So if they DO have charge, then there's yet another law of physics > (conservation of charge) your magical subphotons violate, and therefore > yet another reason to reject the whole idea of those retarded subphotons > completely. ====================== no sub photons much much smaller the Y Circlons ====== Y.P
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-27 08:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <73f0226f-ab5b-422a-ae8c-8abef6902d8f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #625322 |
I don't know of any limit on the wavelength of light, what you prefer to label photonics, but radio waves are quite long ... say, in their period, it's just a direct relatio between lenght & period, of course, inverse to frequency, 1/length. please, don't reify the math, more than is neccesary for a given application -- hey! > Oh, now a pronouncement on what these subphotons > that you don't believe in can and cannot have?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-27 07:50 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <obb1qo$rqa$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #625061 |
On 3/25/2017 4:28 PM, john wrote: > I had a wonderful science book > back in Grade 4 > that gave plans to build a > boomerang. > Gary M. was still looking the direction I threw > it when it hit him in the back of the head. > They took away my boomerang like they > took away my marble board. > Not all pushes go in straight lines, Odd. > So the ping pong ball moves toward the glass rod because little boomeranging particles emitted by the glass rod hit the back side of the ping pong ball and push it toward the glass rod, you say. But if you keep the glass rod there and then swap the ping pong ball with a charged glass ball, then the glass ball moves AWAY from the glass rod. So what the hell happened to the boomeranging particles emitted from the glass rod that's still there??? Remember that science, you say, is the business of explaining observations. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2017-03-27 17:04 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <58d97e5e$0$17455$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #625320 |
On 3/27/2017 8:50 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 3/25/2017 4:28 PM, john wrote: >> I had a wonderful science book >> back in Grade 4 >> that gave plans to build a >> boomerang. >> Gary M. was still looking the direction I threw >> it when it hit him in the back of the head. >> They took away my boomerang like they >> took away my marble board. >> Not all pushes go in straight lines, Odd. >> > > So the ping pong ball moves toward the glass rod because little > boomeranging particles emitted by the glass rod hit the back side of the > ping pong ball and push it toward the glass rod, you say. > > But if you keep the glass rod there and then swap the ping pong ball > with a charged glass ball, then the glass ball moves AWAY from the glass > rod. So what the hell happened to the boomeranging particles emitted > from the glass rod that's still there??? > > Remember that science, you say, is the business of explaining observations. > John, Odd still thinks he's captain of his debating team. This is called a "straw man". He sets up some bogus theory (boomerangs) and then says it's YOUR theory and tears it apart. Odd thinks progress in science is all made by political debate and rhetorical warfare.
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| From | poraty350@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-03-28 05:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <139558f5-71ec-4eae-843d-6d5d04cbc6e5@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #625320 |
On Monday, March 27, 2017 at 3:50:37 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 3/25/2017 4:28 PM, john wrote: > > I had a wonderful science book > > back in Grade 4 > > that gave plans to build a > > boomerang. > > Gary M. was still looking the direction I threw > > it when it hit him in the back of the head. > > They took away my boomerang like they > > took away my marble board. > > Not all pushes go in straight lines, Odd. > > > > So the ping pong ball moves toward the glass rod because little > boomeranging particles emitted by the glass rod hit the back side of the > ping pong ball and push it toward the glass rod, you say. > > But if you keep the glass rod there and then swap the ping pong ball > with a charged glass ball, then the glass ball moves AWAY from the glass > rod. So what the hell happened to the boomeranging particles emitted > from the glass rod that's still there??? > > Remember that science, you say, is the business of explaining observations. > > -- > Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables ==================== Bodkin (P D)can think only about he see quickly zero creative imagination in short an incurable born parrot !!! Y.Porat ==================
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-27 07:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <obb1lu$rqa$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #625057 |
On 3/25/2017 4:20 PM, john wrote: > What is it that pulls? > Little ropes? > Maybe the atomic equivalent of Cosmic rays > travel around in circles? Hey Y? > Is this your idea, then, John? Is this your explanation? So then two follow-ups: 1. Why does the piece of paper inserted not lessen how much the ping pong ball moves toward the glass rod? And why does this not change with the size of the paper? 2. If the ping pong ball is being pushed from behind by little boomerang particles, then why does replacing the ping pong ball with a charged glass ball suddenly flip the motion from being toward the glass rod to being away from the glass rod? Remember, science you say is to have an explanation for observations. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-25 16:18 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ob6mrf$1tk0$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #625037 |
On 3/25/2017 2:52 PM, john wrote: > Odd > " > John, where's your explanation for what happens with the glass rod and > the ping pong ball, especially when the piece of paper is inserted? > Where are your little ropes" > > You're the one with the theory > that says Gravity pulls. I'm not talking about gravity. I'm talking about the observation that any school child can do, including you, that a charged glass rod placed in proximity to a charged ping pong ball will result in the ping pong ball moving toward the glass rod, even if there is a piece of paper stuck in between. You say science is the business of coming up with a logical explanation for observed phenomena. OK, there's an observed phenomenon. What's your explanation that meets your standard for logical? You have several choices at this point: - You can deny that this observation is possible. - You can say that you cannot think of any explanation that could be logical, and so it is a miracle. - You can reconsider what you think is logical and what is not logical. - You can come up with the explanation. > If you deny little ropes, what is it > that pulls? I'm asking YOU. What's logical to YOU? -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-03-25 23:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ob6t5l$bdd$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #625037 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Odd >" >John, where's your explanation for what happens with the glass rod and >the ping pong ball, especially when the piece of paper is inserted? >Where are your little ropes" >You're the one with the theory >that says Gravity pulls. >If you deny little ropes, what is it >that pulls? Why are you so evasive, John? Odd was asking you about electric charges, not gravity. And he was asking YOU why that (opposite charges attracting) happens. Why don't you answer him? Instead you respond to his question with another question worded almost as if it was an absurd idea that things attract, not an ordinary observation.
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2017-03-25 19:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <58d701d5$0$49974$b1db1813$145976f0@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #625089 |
On 3/25/2017 7:06 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: > >> Odd >> " >> John, where's your explanation for what happens with the glass rod and >> the ping pong ball, especially when the piece of paper is inserted? >> Where are your little ropes" > >> You're the one with the theory >> that says Gravity pulls. >> If you deny little ropes, what is it >> that pulls? > > Why are you so evasive, John? Odd was asking you about electric charges, > not gravity. And he was asking YOU why that (opposite charges attracting) > happens. Why don't you answer him? Instead you respond to his question > with another question worded almost as if it was an absurd idea that > things attract, not an ordinary observation. > Why are you so fooled by Odd's debate team tactics? Science is not a political debate (global warming to the contrary not withstanding) John's point is that in nature, there is no tension in forces. All apparent "tension" like say the "strings" that "pull" dirt into a vacuum cleaner are all just apparent and not real forces. Just as centrifugal force is not a "real" force. Odd's debate team tactic of asking john to explain the unknown is just that: a meaningless debating ploy. Truth is that if the actual mechanisms of charge forces is not known then Odd's implication that that apparent charge "attractions" somehow proves that tension forces exist in nature is just bluster and nonsense. Unless Odd can EXPLAIN the mechanism, of charge attraction and SHOW that it is due to some kind of tension, then his argument is nothing but bullshit. In other words Odd is still an idiot who tries to cover it up with a bunch of debating tricks. Then the question that remains would be are you dumb enough to be taken in by Odd's tricks?
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-26 20:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ecb7a0f7-0f28-48c7-aa22-ec431893b328@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #625098 |
tension & compression are always-and-omly coincident, viz tensegrity; the simplest tensegrity is of three struts & nine tendons -- voila
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-03-24 14:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ob3c8s$3r5$3@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #624836 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Otherwise, sorry, pull interactions are impossible. So explain the charged glass rod and the charged ping pong ball. This is a demonstration anyone can do. I was demonstrating this type of thing to my kid two days ago, with balloons and a cat. Did you even understand the Feynman quote?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-24 10:03 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ob3cfg$1q3q$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #624843 |
On 3/24/2017 9:59 AM, Michael Moroney wrote: > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: > >> Otherwise, sorry, pull interactions are impossible. > > So explain the charged glass rod and the charged ping pong ball. > This is a demonstration anyone can do. Because such an event cannot be explained in any way that makes logical sense, it is a miracle. That, or what is considered logical sense is not really righ...nopenopenopenopenopenotdoingthat. > I was demonstrating this type of thing to my kid two days ago, with > balloons and a cat. > > Did you even understand the Feynman quote? > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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