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| Started by | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2017-03-05 04:11 -0800 |
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Atoms and magnetism john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-05 04:11 -0800
Re: Atoms and magnetism Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-03-05 13:50 -0800
get him! noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-05 15:52 -0800
Re: Atoms and magnetism john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-07 04:49 -0800
Re: Atoms and magnetism Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-03-07 11:15 -0800
Re: Atoms and magnetism noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-07 11:27 -0800
Re: Atoms and magnetism S Ergio <invlid@invalid.com> - 2017-03-07 14:46 -0600
Re: Atoms and magnetism Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-03-07 22:08 +0100
Re: Atoms and magnetism john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-08 06:19 -0800
Re: Atoms and magnetism moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-08 17:11 +0000
focality noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 07:14 -0800
focality john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 07:35 -0800
Re: focality noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 23:30 -0800
Re: Atoms and magnetism Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-03-09 14:22 -0800
Re: Atoms and magnetism HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 05:19 -0800
Re: Atoms and magnetism john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 07:26 -0800
Re: Atoms and magnetism john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 10:32 -0800
Re: Atoms and magnetism john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 10:44 -0800
Re: Atoms and magnetism Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-03-10 13:56 -0800
Re: Atoms and magnetism Se Rgio <invlid@invalid.com> - 2017-03-05 18:31 -0600
Re: Atoms and magnetism moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-06 05:17 +0000
Re: Atoms and magnetism john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 04:54 -0800
Re: Atoms and magnetism edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-06 09:26 -0800
and noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 16:55 -0800
Re: and noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-07 11:29 -0800
Re: Atoms and magnetism numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-03-05 16:48 -0800
Re: Atoms and magnetism poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-06 01:22 -0800
thrEEdots.co noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 01:45 -0800
thrEEdots.co john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 04:52 -0800
Re: thrEEdots.co noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 09:04 -0800
Re: thrEEdots.co poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-09 10:33 -0800
Re: thrEEdots.co noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 00:19 -0800
Re: thrEEdots.co noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 07:21 -0800
nothing, exactly (_0.0_) noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 11:58 -0800
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-05 04:11 -0800 |
| Subject | Atoms and magnetism |
| Message-ID | <bf89f33b-7be4-43d6-a6c1-4740ec237134@googlegroups.com> |
All atoms creates magnetism. The electrons and protons arrange themselves as a disc, with protons at the center. If there are an unequal number of electrons and protons, the rotation of the disc will create a magnetic pole at right-angles to its centre. Since the disc is also precessing 10^16 times per second, this magnetic pole gets turned end over end very quickly, resulting in a polar electric field.
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| From | Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-05 13:50 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <320fe995-da51-4add-81ab-1f3ae89eb3f8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #621579 |
On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 4:11:52 AM UTC-8, john wrote: > All atoms creates magnetism. > The electrons and protons arrange themselves > as a disc, with protons at the center. > If there are an unequal number of electrons > and protons, the rotation of the disc > will create a magnetic pole at right-angles > to its centre. Since the disc is also precessing > 10^16 times per second, this magnetic pole > gets turned end over end very quickly, > resulting in a polar electric field. Is this like the Bohr atom? Or more of a pancake model? Double-A
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-05 15:52 -0800 |
| Subject | get him! |
| Message-ID | <73847717-1e32-45ce-84db-fe9a7458220d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #621634 |
got'im! > > to its centre. Since the disc is also precessing > > 10^16 times per second, this magnetic pole > > gets turned end over end very quickly, > > resulting in a polar electric field. > > > Is this like the Bohr atom? Or more of a pancake model? > > Double-A
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-07 04:49 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <0643ff3c-2d10-4301-b009-2582e7b9ed71@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #621634 |
- hide quoted text - On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 4:11:52 AM UTC-8, john wrote: > All atoms creates magnetism. > The electrons and protons arrange themselves > as a disc, with protons at the center. > If there are an unequal number of electrons > and protons, the rotation of the disc > will create a magnetic pole at right-angles > to its centre. Since the disc is also precessing > 10^16 times per second, this magnetic pole > gets turned end over end very quickly, > resulting in a polar electric field. "Is this like the Bohr atom? Or more of a pancake model? Double-A " This is the Galaxy Model for the Atom; the Universe is a Fractal based on Atom/Galaxy- galaxies are made from self-similar units called atoms. Likewise, atoms are made from self-similar units IN THE SAME WAY. Atoms are laid out like spiral galaxies- a nucleus with varying numbers of arms.
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| From | Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-07 11:15 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <94646ca9-d4fa-40ff-a10f-a7966e747b3d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #621952 |
On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 4:49:30 AM UTC-8, john wrote: > - hide quoted text - > On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 4:11:52 AM UTC-8, john wrote: > > All atoms creates magnetism. > > The electrons and protons arrange themselves > > as a disc, with protons at the center. > > If there are an unequal number of electrons > > and protons, the rotation of the disc > > will create a magnetic pole at right-angles > > to its centre. Since the disc is also precessing > > 10^16 times per second, this magnetic pole > > gets turned end over end very quickly, > > resulting in a polar electric field. > > > "Is this like the Bohr atom? Or more of a pancake model? > > Double-A " > > This is the Galaxy Model for the Atom; the > Universe is a Fractal based on Atom/Galaxy- > galaxies are made from self-similar units > called atoms. Likewise, atoms are made > from self-similar units IN THE SAME WAY. > > Atoms are laid out like spiral galaxies- a > nucleus with varying numbers of arms. And so, continuing with that line of thought, do you think out universe's galaxies are actually the atoms of something super big? Double-A
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-07 11:27 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <eb8decbf-1e3b-45b6-b6f2-468ceb8cb477@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #622004 |
that is the question, we shalkl not ask of ... d00ds > And so, continuing with that line of thought, do you think out universe's galaxies are actually the atoms of something super big? > > Double-A
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| From | S Ergio <invlid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-07 14:46 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <o9n684$528$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #622004 |
On 3/7/2017 1:15 PM, Double-A wrote: > On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 4:49:30 AM UTC-8, john wrote: >> - hide quoted text - On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 4:11:52 AM UTC-8, >> john wrote: >> >> "Is this like the Bohr atom? Or more of a pancake model? >> >> Double-A " >> >> This is the Galaxy Model for the Atom; the Universe is a Fractal >> based on Atom/Galaxy- galaxies are made from self-similar units >> called atoms. Likewise, atoms are made from self-similar units IN >> THE SAME WAY. >> Atoms are laid out like spiral galaxies- a nucleus with varying >> numbers of arms. > > > And so, continuing with that line of thought, do you think out > universe's galaxies are actually the atoms of something super big? > > Double-A > yes, large pancakes, very very large flatish type pancakes
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| From | Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-07 22:08 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <o9n7ab$avp$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #622027 |
Dne 07/03/2017 v 21:46 S Ergio napsal(a): > On 3/7/2017 1:15 PM, Double-A wrote: >> On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 4:49:30 AM UTC-8, john wrote: >>> - hide quoted text - On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 4:11:52 AM UTC-8, >>> john wrote: > >> > >>> "Is this like the Bohr atom? Or more of a pancake model? >>> >>> Double-A " >>> >>> This is the Galaxy Model for the Atom; the Universe is a Fractal >>> based on Atom/Galaxy- galaxies are made from self-similar units >>> called atoms. Likewise, atoms are made from self-similar units IN >>> THE SAME WAY. > >>> Atoms are laid out like spiral galaxies- a nucleus with varying >>> numbers of arms. >> >> >> And so, continuing with that line of thought, do you think out >> universe's galaxies are actually the atoms of something super big? >> > yes, large pancakes, very very large flatish type pancakes > And different atoms have different filing. I like copper atoms with raspberries. -- Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer ) A wise man guards words he says, as they say about him more, than he says about the subject.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-08 06:19 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ab02743b-cdd7-44d1-b46f-83397b050621@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #622033 |
It's just bigger and bigger discs, With symmetry occurring at 2, 10, etc. I did 10: http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/NeonAnimation.GIF
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-03-08 17:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o9pdvm$nut$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #622135 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >It's just bigger and bigger discs, >With symmetry occurring at 2, 10, etc. >I did 10: > http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/NeonAnimation.GIF Animations with no connections to reality are worthless, John.
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-09 07:14 -0800 |
| Subject | focality |
| Message-ID | <b936670c-0bc6-4f61-aaa5-a8be1278e375@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #622156 |
of course, the antifocus is confocal with the focus, when it's not going really, really faster
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-09 07:35 -0800 |
| Subject | focality |
| Message-ID | <ac56aa30-325f-4ea2-b728-8c23a9e12f5e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #622284 |
Buckyballs aren't symmetrical? Diamonds aren't symmetrical?
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-09 23:30 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: focality |
| Message-ID | <a6bac3b9-6e3f-4bc5-a562-3d4547fe293e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #622286 |
the usual representation is soccerbalene, with vertices as atoms; jut make the dual, and the atoms are isoceles > Buckyballs aren't symmetrical? > Diamonds aren't symmetrical? diamond lattice is tough
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| From | Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-09 14:22 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <c5f9932d-355c-4a63-b1ef-d528d1680a44@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #622135 |
On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 6:19:43 AM UTC-8, john wrote: > It's just bigger and bigger discs, > With symmetry occurring at 2, 10, etc. > I did 10: > http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/NeonAnimation.GIF Nice animation. A pretty picture. Double-A
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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-10 05:19 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ed920239-5b83-4dfc-99e1-e533407561ad@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #622335 |
Double-A - show quoted text - Nice animation. A pretty picture. -------------- It's a cartoon
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-10 07:26 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <de533815-ea20-43a8-ae42-23427af8727a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #622411 |
HVAC "It's a cartoon" And you are a joke.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-10 10:32 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <46796655-4d28-4fb8-b177-453399a291f1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #622423 |
The problem is that you cannot align two vortices tail to tail. And an electron is a vortex- it is defined by its spin. So there are two kinds of electrons, 'spin up' and 'spin down', which align opposite each other on the disc. They are not called that because of their position, but because they CAN TAKE that position by virtue of having the opposite spin- when they line up tail to tail they are spinning the same way. Similarly, two vortices with the same spin that are neighbours will interfere with each other, so neighbors as well as opposites must be of opposite spin. This can be done with Carbon as well as Neon, symmetrically.This actually gives me an idea for another attempt at orbital-based tetrahedral structures for Carbon.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-10 10:44 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <9076143f-72bb-4fd1-9001-5414d5e163ad@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #622335 |
AA "..pretty.." It is a ring where all neighbours are opposites, and all opposites are opposite. And the ring turns once every time it precesses twice, so all opposites follow the same path, constantly changing the path's colour. This can actually also be done with Carbon- I think I'll do it.
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| From | Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-10 13:56 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <be30e07f-55e3-4067-be9b-c725eb81a146@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #622442 |
On Friday, March 10, 2017 at 10:44:20 AM UTC-8, john wrote: > AA > "..pretty.." > It is a ring where all neighbours are opposites, > and all opposites are opposite. > And the ring turns once every time it > precesses twice, so all opposites follow > the same path, constantly changing the > path's colour. > This can actually also be done with Carbon- > I think I'll do it. If you can, Do it! If you can't, Screw it! Double-A
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| From | Se Rgio <invlid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-05 18:31 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <o9ialh$1p5q$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #621579 |
On 3/5/2017 6:11 AM, john wrote: > All atoms creates magnetism. > The electrons and protons arrange themselves > as a disc, with protons at the center. > If there are an unequal number of electrons > and protons, the rotation of the disc > will create a magnetic pole at right-angles > to its centre. Since the disc is also precessing > 10^16 times per second, this magnetic pole > gets turned end over end very quickly, > resulting in a polar electric field. > what do you call your new theory ?
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