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Electron period

Started byjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
First post2017-02-13 07:05 -0800
Last post2017-02-16 18:35 -0500
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  Electron period john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 07:05 -0800
    Electron period HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 07:15 -0800
      Electron period john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 07:39 -0800
        Electron period HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 08:05 -0800
          Re: Electron period Serg Io <invliad@invalid.com> - 2017-02-13 16:14 -0600
      Re: Electron period benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-13 16:29 -0500
    Re: Electron period Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 09:24 -0600
    Re: Electron period thugstyle103@gmail.com - 2017-02-13 07:44 -0800
    Re: Electron period moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-13 15:56 +0000
    Re: Electron period Serg Io <invliad@invalid.com> - 2017-02-13 16:05 -0600
      Re: Electron period john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 15:54 -0800
        Re: Electron period Serg Io <invliad@invalid.com> - 2017-02-13 18:42 -0600
        Re: Electron period noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 18:25 -0800
          Re: Electron period john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 02:35 -0800
            Re: Electron period Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 06:36 -0600
              Re: Electron period john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 07:10 -0800
                Re: Electron period Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 11:23 -0600
                  Re: Electron period Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 09:46 -0800
                    Re: Electron period john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 09:55 -0800
                      Re: Electron period edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-02-14 11:24 -0800
                      Re: Electron period Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 13:59 -0600
                        Re: Electron period benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-14 19:41 -0500
                          Re: Electron period Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 08:32 -0600
                            Re: Electron period noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 12:14 -0800
                              Re: Electron period john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 12:23 -0800
                                Re: Electron period Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 14:54 -0600
                    Re: Electron period HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 10:57 -0800
                      Re: Electron period Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 11:11 -0800
                        Re: Electron period HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 12:11 -0800
                          Re: Electron period Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 12:52 -0800
                            Re: Electron period HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 13:07 -0800
                              Re: Electron period Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 13:13 -0800
                                Re: Electron period benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-14 19:36 -0500
                                  Re: Electron period HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 17:02 -0800
                                    Re: Electron period benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-14 20:33 -0500
                                  Re: Electron period HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 17:02 -0800
                                    Re: Electron period benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-14 20:33 -0500
                              Re: Electron period benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-14 19:32 -0500
                          Re: Electron period benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-14 19:22 -0500
                        Re: Electron period benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-14 19:21 -0500
                      Re: Electron period benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-14 19:19 -0500
                  Re: Electron period benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-14 20:13 -0500
                    Re: Electron period noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 18:25 -0800
                    Re: Electron period HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 05:04 -0800
                      Re: Electron period benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-16 17:08 -0500
                    Re: Electron period Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 08:31 -0600
                      Re: Electron period benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-16 17:29 -0500
            Re: Electron period noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 10:01 -0800
          Re: Electron period poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-02-15 23:08 -0800
            Re: Electron period john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 04:00 -0800
    Re: Electron period dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2017-02-13 21:04 -0500
    Re: Electron period pcardinale@volcanomail.com - 2017-02-16 13:20 -0800
      Re: Electron period noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 16:05 -0800
    Re: Electron period Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-02-16 14:04 -0800
      Re: Electron period benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-16 18:35 -0500

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#618648

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-14 13:59 -0600
Message-ID<o7vni6$bsn$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#618608
On 2/14/2017 11:55 AM, john wrote:
> Yes, Odd, how do your electrons
> behave in order to exhibit the
> observed behaviour?
>

That takes a while to describe, John.
Pages.
Want to read a book?

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#618706

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-02-14 19:41 -0500
Message-ID<58a3a3c6$0$53042$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#618648
On 2/14/2017 2:59 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 2/14/2017 11:55 AM, john wrote:
>> Yes, Odd, how do your electrons
>> behave in order to exhibit the
>> observed behaviour?
>>
>
> That takes a while to describe, John.
> Pages.
> Want to read a book?
>
John, Odd understand this but just is unable to explain it to anybody 
else. Einstein could explain relativity to a barmaid, but Odd says he 
can't explain the time of day to a PH.D.

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#618807

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-15 08:32 -0600
Message-ID<o81oqb$1uf3$5@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#618706
On 2/14/2017 6:41 PM, benj wrote:
> On 2/14/2017 2:59 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 2/14/2017 11:55 AM, john wrote:
>>> Yes, Odd, how do your electrons
>>> behave in order to exhibit the
>>> observed behaviour?
>>>
>>
>> That takes a while to describe, John.
>> Pages.
>> Want to read a book?
>>
> John, Odd understand this but just is unable to explain it to anybody
> else. Einstein could explain relativity to a barmaid,

Not in a couple of paragraphs. He wrote a book to try to explain it to a 
barmaid. It's called Relativity, the Special and General Theories, by A. 
Einstein.

This is why I am suggesting John read a book.

> but Odd says he
> can't explain the time of day to a PH.D.


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#618873

FromnoTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-15 12:14 -0800
Message-ID<d7e1a3de-1820-4296-8ffe-32d5deec02f8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618807
the sec0ndp0wer of the speed of light is
the rate of growth or the wavefront mod 31/10_4

> This is why I am suggesting John read a book.
> 
> > but Odd says he
> > can't explain the time of day to a PH.D.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#618874

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-15 12:23 -0800
Message-ID<53dce5c8-1b30-4ed9-81a0-d98a64041895@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618873
Define a sphere Odd

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#618877

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-15 14:54 -0600
Message-ID<o82f5p$1eq4$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#618874
On 2/15/2017 2:23 PM, john wrote:
> Define a sphere Odd

There are two definitions of a sphere, like I said. It depends on 
whether you mean the whole ball (inside included, right to the surface) 
or just the surface of the ball. Both usages of "sphere" are common but 
they are clearly different.

So if you're talking about the whole ball being the sphere, then the 
definition is this: a) start with a point that marks the center, b) tell 
me what the distance is from the center to the surface of the ball is 
(call that R), and then c) the sphere is then the set of all points that 
have a distance from the center that is less than or equal to R (that 
is, r<=R ).

If instead you're talking about just the surface of the whole ball being 
the sphere (and this is what you'd find if you looked up "sphere" in 
wikipedia), then the definition is this: a) start with a point that 
marks the center, b) choose some distance R away from this center, and 
then c) the sphere is the set of all points that same distance R from 
the center (that is, r=R).

You can write this definition I just gave you in words much more 
compactly by not using English as the language but mathematics as the 
language:
{(x,y,z)∈R^3 ∣ x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = R}

In my last post, I wrote something in between the long version and this 
really short version that say the same thing.

The original question was about dimensionality. You have a silly idea of 
what dimensionality means. To you, dimensionality means does it have 
length, height and width, and if it does then it has three dimensions. 
That's not what dimensionality means. Dimensionality is given by the 
MINIMUM number of coordinates you would need to specify every point in 
that body. For the second definition of sphere I gave above, the surface 
of a ball, the dimensionality is just two, because I can specify each 
point on the sphere by two numbers: the elevation angle and the 
azimuthal angle. So it doesn't MATTER that this occupies length and 
height and width -- it is still a 2-dimensional object.

As another example, the surface of a sheet of paper is a 2-D thing, 
because to specify every location on the sheet of paper, I need just two 
numbers: the distance from the left edge of the paper I have to travel 
on the paper to get to that point, and the distance from the bottom edge 
of the paper I have to travel on the paper to get to that point. It 
doesn't matter that I roll the piece of paper into a cylinder or that I 
crumple it up in a ball. It is STILL true that every location on the 
sheet of paper is specified by the same two numbers.

Whether that ball of paper now has length and height and width doesn't 
change the REAL meaning of the word "dimensions".

This is why I tell you repeatedly John that what your GUT tells you 
about stuff like this is going to be just flat-out wrong, and you would 
do well to just READ some stuff to learn the right way to think about them.


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#618629

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-14 10:57 -0800
Message-ID<7dd5f825-02b5-4f37-8e0a-dbfe208682a4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618606
Loopy says
Besides insulting and discouraging others for free thinking
-------------

Isn't that exactly what *you* are doing here, loopy?

I see you've learned hypocrisy from BJ

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#618636

FromMahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-14 11:11 -0800
Message-ID<54542149-0d10-4274-888d-cc00b7e6e18c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618629
On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 1:57:32 PM UTC-5, HVAC wrote:
> Loopy says
>> Besides insulting and discouraging others for free thinking
> -------------
> 
> Isn't that exactly what *you* are doing here, loopy?

How much physics work does it take to not just leave my full sentences
alone and intact when you respond to me? Too much work for you HVAC?

HVAC to Mirror: Mahipal's free expression hurts my lack of having a brain.

> I see you've learned hypocrisy from BJ

You HVAC are calling me a Hypocrite?! Of all WWW places, on Usenet?!
Are you HVAC doing that, you fucking yourself Hypocrite?! How dare you...

-- Mahipal, pronounced "My Pal" or "Maple"... as in Loops, Syrup, Wood.

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#618651

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-14 12:11 -0800
Message-ID<513f8708-9612-4592-818e-2770d51129db@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618636
Loopy says
> 
> Isn't that exactly what *you* are doing here, loopy? 

How much physics work does it take to not just leave my full sentences 
alone and intact when you respond to me? Too much work for you HVAC? 
----------

I've told you before. I reply to the relevant portion of a post. 

You mad now?

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#618657

FromMahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-14 12:52 -0800
Message-ID<d089f9f7-3e2f-4b63-af19-23aa20b44c02@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618651
On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 3:11:47 PM UTC-5, HVAC wrote:
> Loopy says
> > 
> > Isn't that exactly what *you* are doing here, loopy? 
> 
> How much physics work does it take to not just leave my full sentences 
> alone and intact when you respond to me? Too much work for you HVAC? 
> ----------
> 
> I've told you before. I reply to the relevant portion of a post. 
> 
> You mad now?

I was measurably mad before I even knew you HVAC. Let me tell you a story...

A G-d damned story that perhaps only Sir hansonJi will remember/recall.

In sum, if you or anyone reverse dissects my paragraphs down to
sentences, words, or GodForbid@# alphabits, then you and that anyone
else are just deaf, dumb, blind, and completely biased stupid. Who plug hear:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=who+pinball+wizard

I'm just this polite nice guy wearing a Invisible Purple Turban. Cheers!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObG9bBJFcIM Who Loves You Enjo(y)...

-- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: d(me) != 0 ... me alwa(y)s changes...”

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#618662

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-14 13:07 -0800
Message-ID<d7951f83-761d-4b1f-902f-2dc02e14355f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618657
I simply trim out the useless parts of your posts because I am polite.

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#618664

FromMahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-14 13:13 -0800
Message-ID<3f4fe098-0c05-47f7-b5bf-ce553c0d6642@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618662
Trim!

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#618704

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-02-14 19:36 -0500
Message-ID<58a3a281$0$9483$b1db1813$e2fc9064@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#618664
On 2/14/2017 4:13 PM, Mahipal wrote:
> Trim!

Hey HVAC you can give me some trim anytime!

(Heh, watch this! HVAC will have to have me explain this gay sexual joke 
to him. He is SO ignorant of Everything he MUST be a journalist!)

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#618709

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-14 17:02 -0800
Message-ID<48166a6c-19a9-45fa-97a5-88b193932fc7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618704
BJ quacked
On 2/14/2017 4:13 PM, Mahipal wrote: 
> Trim! 

Hey HVAC you can give me some trim anytime! 

(Heh, watch this! HVAC will have to have me explain this gay sexual joke 
to him.
-------------

I find it disturbing that YOU know lots of gay stuff.

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#618720

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-02-14 20:33 -0500
Message-ID<58a3afdd$0$15693$c3e8da3$9deca2c3@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#618709
On 2/14/2017 8:02 PM, HVAC wrote:
> BJ quacked
> On 2/14/2017 4:13 PM, Mahipal wrote:
>> Trim!
>
> Hey HVAC you can give me some trim anytime!
>
> (Heh, watch this! HVAC will have to have me explain this gay sexual joke
> to him.
> -------------
>
> I find it disturbing that YOU know lots of gay stuff.
>
Folks, See? I TOLD you he would have no clue as to this joke!

How can a human being at his age know so little? Oh wait. I forgot. He's 
AI not human at all!

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#618710

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-14 17:02 -0800
Message-ID<866c60c9-cbfc-4aba-8a77-c57bbeb2561b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618704
BJ quacked
On 2/14/2017 4:13 PM, Mahipal wrote: 
> Trim! 

Hey HVAC you can give me some trim anytime! 

(Heh, watch this! HVAC will have to have me explain this gay sexual joke 
to him.
-------------

I find it disturbing that YOU know lots of gay stuff.

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#618721

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-02-14 20:33 -0500
Message-ID<58a3affc$0$15693$c3e8da3$9deca2c3@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#618710
On 2/14/2017 8:02 PM, HVAC wrote:
> BJ quacked
> On 2/14/2017 4:13 PM, Mahipal wrote:
>> Trim!
>
> Hey HVAC you can give me some trim anytime!
>
> (Heh, watch this! HVAC will have to have me explain this gay sexual joke
> to him.
> -------------
>
> I find it disturbing that YOU know lots of gay stuff.
>
AI ERROR # 203  Repeated Post.

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#618702

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-02-14 19:32 -0500
Message-ID<58a3a195$0$9483$b1db1813$e2fc9064@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#618662
On 2/14/2017 4:07 PM, HVAC wrote:
> I simply trim out the useless parts of your posts because I am polite.
>
Polite is his word for lazy.

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#618698

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-02-14 19:22 -0500
Message-ID<58a39f30$0$41883$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#618651
On 2/14/2017 3:11 PM, HVAC wrote:
> Loopy says
>>
>> Isn't that exactly what *you* are doing here, loopy?
>
> How much physics work does it take to not just leave my full sentences
> alone and intact when you respond to me? Too much work for you HVAC?
> ----------
>
> I've told you before. I reply to the relevant portion of a post.
>
> You mad now?
>
(He's stwill hoping for that internet "cure", Looperji)

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#618697

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-02-14 19:21 -0500
Message-ID<58a39ef7$0$41883$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#618636
On 2/14/2017 2:11 PM, Mahipal wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 1:57:32 PM UTC-5, HVAC wrote:
>> Loopy says
>>> Besides insulting and discouraging others for free thinking
>> -------------
>>
>> Isn't that exactly what *you* are doing here, loopy?
>
> How much physics work does it take to not just leave my full sentences
> alone and intact when you respond to me? Too much work for you HVAC?
>
> HVAC to Mirror: Mahipal's free expression hurts my lack of having a brain.
>
>> I see you've learned hypocrisy from BJ
>
> You HVAC are calling me a Hypocrite?! Of all WWW places, on Usenet?!
> Are you HVAC doing that, you fucking yourself Hypocrite?! How dare you...

Sorry Looper, "Dare" is something HVAC can handle. "Think" is not.

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