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Rods Longer Than Themselves in Einstein's Schizophrenic World

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  Rods Longer Than Themselves in Einstein's Schizophrenic World Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-13 15:36 -0800
    Re: Rods Longer Than Themselves in Einstein's Schizophrenic World benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-13 18:51 -0500
      Re: Rods Longer Than Themselves in Einstein's Schizophrenic World Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 06:38 -0600
        Re: Rods Longer Than Themselves in Einstein's Schizophrenic World john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 08:12 -0800
          Re: Rods Longer Than Themselves in Einstein's Schizophrenic World Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 11:21 -0600
          Re: Rods Longer Than Themselves in Einstein's Schizophrenic World edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-02-14 13:19 -0800
          Re: Rods Longer Than Themselves in Einstein's Schizophrenic World benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-14 20:24 -0500
            Re: Rods Longer Than Themselves in Einstein's Schizophrenic World Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 08:39 -0600
    Re: Rods Longer Than Themselves in Einstein's Schizophrenic World Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-14 07:19 -0800
    Re: Rods Longer Than Themselves in Einstein's Schizophrenic World edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-02-14 13:13 -0800
    Re: Rods Longer Than Themselves in Einstein's Schizophrenic World Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-18 10:02 -0800

#618496 — Rods Longer Than Themselves in Einstein's Schizophrenic World

The so-called bug-rivet paradox demonstrates an idiotic consequence of Einstein's 1905 false constant-speed-of-light postulate: 

A bug is alive in one reference frame and squashed in another: 

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/Relativ/bugrivet.html 
 "In an attempt to squash a bug in a 1 cm deep hole, a rivet is used. But the rivet is only 0.8 cm long so it cannot reach the bug. The rivet is accelerated to 0.9c. [...] The paradox is not resolved." 

In the rivet's frame, "the end of the rivet hits the bottom of the hole before the head of the rivet hits the wall" - the bug is squashed. In the bug's frame, "the rivet head hits the wall when the rivet end is just 0.35 cm down in the hole" - the bug remains alive. 

Of course Einsteinians do realize that the bug being squashed in the rivet's frame and alive in the bug's frame is fatal for Divine Albert's Divine Theory. So they resort to an idiotic ad hoc "requirement": 

The rivet shank gets longer than itself. 

Now poor bug is squashed in both frames and Divine Albert's Divine Theory is saved: 

http://math.ucr.edu/~jdp/Relativity/Bug_Rivet.html 
 "In fact, special relativity requires that after collision, the rivet shank length increases beyond its at-rest length d." 

http://brianclegg.blogspot.fr/2011_11_01_archive.html 
 "Unfortunately, though, the rivet is fired towards the table at a fair percentage of the speed of light. It's somewhat typical of this book that all it tells us about the speed is that γ is 2, which doesn't really give you an idea of how fast the rivet is going, but if my back of an envelope calculations are right, this is around 0.87 times the speed of light. Quite a fast rivet, then. [...] But here's the thing. Just because the head of the rivet has come to a sudden stop doesn't mean the whole rivet does. A wave has to pass along the rivet to its end saying 'Stop!' The end of the rivet will just keep on going until this wave, typically travelling at the speed of sound, reaches it. That fast-moving end will crash into the beetle long before the wave arrives. [...] Isn't physics great?" 

Note that the end of the rivet keeps on going at 87% the speed of light and a wave traveling at the speed of sound is chasing it in order to stop it! We all live in Einstein's schizophrenic world, don't we? 

http://gjl038.g.j.pic.centerblog.net/3fea2faf.jpg 

Pentcho Valev

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#618503

On 2/13/2017 6:36 PM, Pentcho Valev wrote:
> The so-called bug-rivet paradox demonstrates an idiotic consequence
> of Einstein's 1905 false constant-speed-of-light postulate:
>
> A bug is alive in one reference frame and squashed in another:

As it turns out, Pancho, logical garbage that makes no sense is called 
the "standard model" in quantum mechanics. Sad fact is that objects do 
not change length with velocity. This can be shown theoretically just as 
it can be shown that an assumption of the constant speed of light is not 
needed. Nevertheless relativity still follows as we all know and love it.

I'm pretty sure Odd will inform us that the bug is BOTH squashed and 
unsquashed at the same time and this makes perfect sense to physicists. 
The bug can only be squashed if you pull the rivet and look at it.

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#618570

On 2/13/2017 5:51 PM, benj wrote:
> On 2/13/2017 6:36 PM, Pentcho Valev wrote:
>> The so-called bug-rivet paradox demonstrates an idiotic consequence
>> of Einstein's 1905 false constant-speed-of-light postulate:
>>
>> A bug is alive in one reference frame and squashed in another:
>
> As it turns out, Pancho, logical garbage that makes no sense is called
> the "standard model" in quantum mechanics. Sad fact is that objects do
> not change length with velocity. This can be shown theoretically just as
> it can be shown that an assumption of the constant speed of light is not
> needed. Nevertheless relativity still follows as we all know and love it.
>
> I'm pretty sure Odd will inform us that the bug is BOTH squashed and
> unsquashed at the same time and this makes perfect sense to physicists.
> The bug can only be squashed if you pull the rivet and look at it.

Nope. It is squashed in both frames. Well known. Except maybe to you and 
Pentcho.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#618589

Odd
"Nope. It is squashed in both frames. Well known. Except maybe to you and 
Pentcho. "
How is that "well-known"?
You have video? (Can't be trusted- UFOs taught us.)
You have witnesses? (Might be lying- even on deathbed.)

Oh?
Somebody just pulled it out of their ass?
Using logic?

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#618596

On 2/14/2017 10:12 AM, john wrote:
> Odd
> "Nope. It is squashed in both frames. Well known. Except maybe to you and
> Pentcho. "
> How is that "well-known"?

Books. Oh, of course, you wouldn't know about those.

> You have video? (Can't be trusted- UFOs taught us.)
> You have witnesses? (Might be lying- even on deathbed.)
>
> Oh?
> Somebody just pulled it out of their ass?
> Using logic?
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#618666

On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 11:12:11 AM UTC-5, john wrote:
> Odd
> "Nope. It is squashed in both frames. Well known. Except maybe to you and 
> Pentcho. "
> How is that "well-known"?
> You have video? (Can't be trusted- UFOs taught us.)
> You have witnesses? (Might be lying- even on deathbed.)
> 
> Oh?
> Somebody just pulled it out of their ass?
> Using logic?

Published, peer reviewed articles. These form the basis for most
textbooks in science. Theory, matching data, confirmed by consensus.
You need at least two of the three to stand any chance.

But you go ahead and keep talking, John.

ed

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#618718

On 2/14/2017 11:12 AM, john wrote:
> Odd
> "Nope. It is squashed in both frames. Well known. Except maybe to you and
> Pentcho. "
> How is that "well-known"?
> You have video? (Can't be trusted- UFOs taught us.)
> You have witnesses? (Might be lying- even on deathbed.)
>
> Oh?
> Somebody just pulled it out of their ass?
> Using logic?
>
Odd can't think, John. He can only repeat what his betters have told him 
to say. The truth, John, (and this is the truth) is the bug is not 
squashed in EITHER frame. Nothing changes length. What odd does not 
understand is that moving rods can APPEAR longer or shorter, but they do 
not actually change length. This can be shown.

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#618811

On 2/14/2017 7:24 PM, benj wrote:
> On 2/14/2017 11:12 AM, john wrote:
>> Odd
>> "Nope. It is squashed in both frames. Well known. Except maybe to you and
>> Pentcho. "
>> How is that "well-known"?
>> You have video? (Can't be trusted- UFOs taught us.)
>> You have witnesses? (Might be lying- even on deathbed.)
>>
>> Oh?
>> Somebody just pulled it out of their ass?
>> Using logic?
>>
> Odd can't think, John. He can only repeat what his betters have told him
> to say. The truth, John, (and this is the truth) is the bug is not
> squashed in EITHER frame. Nothing changes length. What odd does not
> understand is that moving rods can APPEAR longer or shorter, but they do
> not actually change length. This can be shown.

Ben, you've deteriorated in your purpose in life so much that if someone 
declared that the sun was mostly hydrogen, you'd say that hydrogen was 
the rarest element in the sun, just to provoke a response. Are you 
REALLY that rudderless these days?

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#618578

Lawrence Krauss teaches length contraction:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQTNoNZ3_PY 
 Penis analogy in general relativity by Lawrence Krauss

If Laurence Krauss had carefully studied the bug-rivet paradox and noticed the miraculous elongation of the rivet shank, he would know that Einstein's relativity not only shortens penises - it can also make them unlimitedly longer than themselves. An extremely useful theory - it will never be proven wrong.

Pentcho Valev

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#618665

On Monday, February 13, 2017 at 6:36:17 PM UTC-5, Pentcho Valev wrote:
> The so-called bug-rivet paradox demonstrates an idiotic consequence of Einstein's 1905 false constant-speed-of-light postulate: 
[]
> 
> http://brianclegg.blogspot.fr/2011_11_01_archive.html 
>  "Unfortunately, though, the rivet is fired towards the table at a fair
> percentage of the speed of light. It's somewhat typical of this book
> that all it tells us about the speed is that γ is 2, which doesn't
> really give you an idea of how fast the rivet is going, but if my back
> of an envelope calculations are right, this is around 0.87 times the
> speed of light. Quite a fast rivet, then. [...] But here's the thing.
> Just because the head of the rivet has come to a sudden stop doesn't
> mean the whole rivet does. A wave has to pass along the rivet to its
> end saying 'Stop!' The end of the rivet will just keep on going until
> this wave, typically travelling at the speed of sound, reaches it.
> That fast-moving end will crash into the beetle long before the wave
> arrives. [...] Isn't physics great?" 
> 
> Note that the end of the rivet keeps on going at 87% the speed of
> light and a wave traveling at the speed of sound is chasing it
> in order to stop it! We all live in Einstein's schizophrenic world,
> don't we? 
> 

You seem to think a rivet is a solid object. Silly boy.

And at 87% of C, a lot more than the bug is going to get destroyed
in that scenario!!

Ed

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#619294

http://brianclegg.blogspot.fr/2011_11_01_archive.html 
 Brian Clegg: "Unfortunately, though, the rivet is fired towards the table at a fair percentage of the speed of light. It's somewhat typical of this book that all it tells us about the speed is that γ is 2, which doesn't really give you an idea of how fast the rivet is going, but if my back of an envelope calculations are right, this is around 0.87 times the speed of light. Quite a fast rivet, then. [...] But here's the thing. Just because the head of the rivet has come to a sudden stop doesn't mean the whole rivet does. A wave has to pass along the rivet to its end saying 'Stop!' The end of the rivet will just keep on going until this wave, typically travelling at the speed of sound, reaches it. That fast-moving end will crash into the beetle long before the wave arrives. [...] Isn't physics great?" 

Absolutely great, even idiotic! The end of the rivet keeps on going at 87% the speed of light and a wave travelling at the speed of sound is chasing it in order to stop it! Here is a breathtaking discussion on the matter that can only take place in Einstein's schizophrenic world: 

http://www.researchgate.net/post/The_bug-rivet_paradox  
Abhishek Maniyar: "According to the solutions provided for bug and rivet paradox, in the bug's frame of reference the head of the rivet first collides with the wall but the end of the rivet continues to extend unless the information that the head has collided with the wall reaches the end of the rivet and so finally bug is crushed...the information goes at the speed of sound which is quite small when compared to speed of rivet..so by that time when the information reaches to the end of the rivet to stop extending, it already has expanded by a huge amount!! Doesn't it seem strange?" 
Rob Carroll: "The information does not necessarily travel at the speed of sound, but is limited by c, and even if the information is sent at this speed the paradox is resolved and both frames of reference will agree with each other that the bug is crushed." 
Abhishek Maniyar: "thanks Rob...From your explanation I understood how the paradox is resolved...but just consider this case- if the information is traveling with the speed of sound which is very small compared to speed of rivet. so by the time information has reached the bottom of the rivet it must have expanded by a 'huge' amount than its natural length... don't you think this is weird?" 
Rob Carroll: "That would be true, but the expansion would also be limited by the surface on the other side of the rivet. Another thing is that the speed of sound in a dense solid such as the material forming a rivet has a much larger magnitude than the speed of sound through air." 

Pentcho Valev

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