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2electronorbital.GIF

Started byjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
First post2017-01-30 09:04 -0800
Last post2017-02-15 12:08 -0800
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  2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 09:04 -0800
    2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 09:36 -0800
    2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 09:37 -0800
      2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 11:02 -0800
        2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 11:15 -0800
      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-30 19:39 +0000
        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 12:03 -0800
          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 12:25 -0800
            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 14:42 -0600
              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 14:02 -0800
                Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 16:16 -0600
                  Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 14:38 -0800
                    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 07:19 -0600
                      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-31 16:54 +0000
                        fig. **** noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 12:47 -0800
                  Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 07:06 -0800
                    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 07:27 -0800
                      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 11:35 -0600
                        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 10:00 -0800
                          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 12:34 -0600
                            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 11:26 -0800
                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 14:37 -0600
                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 00:19 -0800
                                Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 09:23 -0600
                            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 12:10 -0800
                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 14:32 -0600
                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 14:56 -0600
                                Re: 2electronorbital.GIF "F.Art.Ingatu" <F.Art.Ingatu@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-31 13:20 -0800
                                  Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 15:36 -0600
                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 15:16 -0600
                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 16:55 -0600
                                Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 16:20 -0800
                                Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-01 05:00 +0000
                                  Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 00:06 -0800
                                    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 09:25 -0600
                                    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-01 19:00 +0000
                                      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 07:53 -0800
                                        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 08:46 -0800
                                          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 10:02 -0800
                                            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 12:21 -0600
                                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 10:26 -0800
                                                Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 12:41 -0600
                                                  Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 10:58 -0800
                                                  Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 11:07 -0800
                                                    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 14:05 -0600
                                            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 11:17 -0800
                                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 11:34 -0800
                                          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-03 19:11 -0500
                                            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 08:15 -0800
                                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-04 17:33 -0500
                                                Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 16:16 -0800
                                                  Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-04 20:48 -0500
                                                    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 19:56 -0800
                                                      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 00:59 -0800
                                                        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 04:19 -0800
                                                          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 04:51 -0800
                                                            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 05:07 -0800
                                                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 05:41 -0800
                                                                Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 08:55 -0800
                                                                  Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 10:36 -0800
                                                                    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 11:43 -0800
                                                                      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 13:17 -0800
                                                                      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 17:25 -0500
                                                                  Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 17:24 -0500
                                                                Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-05 21:20 +0000
                                                                  Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 13:44 -0800
                                                                    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-06 04:37 +0000
                                                                      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 06:05 -0800
                                                                        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-06 16:54 +0000
                                                                          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 09:13 -0800
                                                                            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 13:33 -0600
                                                                            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-06 22:18 +0000
                                                                          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 16:15 -0800
                                                                            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 16:28 -0800
                                                                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 16:43 -0800
                                                                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 20:05 -0500
                                                                                Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 02:51 -0800
                                                                                  Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 06:18 -0800
                                                                                    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 06:46 -0800
                                                                                      tainty noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 08:30 -0800
                                                                                      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-07 19:09 +0000
                                                                                        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 13:03 -0800
                                                                                          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 15:37 -0600
                                                                                            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 14:37 -0800
                                                                                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 16:50 -0600
                                                                                                Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 15:38 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 17:49 -0600
                                                                                                    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 03:59 -0800
                                                                                                      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-08 13:32 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 05:46 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 06:03 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 07:23 -0800
                                                                                                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-08 16:19 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 08:48 -0800
                                                                                                                  Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 11:42 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 11:50 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 12:10 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-08 17:06 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:08 -0600
                                                                                                          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-08 16:49 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 09:11 -0800
                                                                                                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 09:17 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-08 18:50 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 09:49 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 11:26 -0800
                                                                                                                  Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 16:31 -0600
                                                                                                                    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-08 17:39 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:01 -0600
                                                                                                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-08 21:44 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 13:55 -0800
                                                                                                                  Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 16:32 -0600
                                                                                                                  Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-09 03:53 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 21:51 -0800
                                                                                                                      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 05:33 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 06:31 -0800
                                                                                                                          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 09:23 -0600
                                                                                                                          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-09 17:54 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 06:33 -0800
                                                                                                                          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 07:42 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 09:10 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-09 18:00 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:43 -0800
                                                                                                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:09 -0600
                                                                                                      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 07:14 -0600
                                                                                                        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 06:24 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 15:15 -0600
                                                                                                        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 09:12 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 06:54 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-12 21:42 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 14:14 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 05:27 -0800
                                                                                                                  Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 07:21 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 08:38 -0800
                                                                                                                      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 11:08 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-13 16:23 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-13 19:36 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-13 16:25 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 08:53 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 09:25 -0800
                                                                                                                          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 09:42 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 09:59 -0800
                                                                                                                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 10:09 -0800
                                                                                                                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 10:52 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-14 19:03 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 08:30 -0600
                                                                                                                                Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 06:40 -0800
                                                                                                                                  Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 14:58 -0600
                                                                                                                                  Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-16 17:35 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-16 17:32 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 16:12 -0800
                                                                                                                          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 13:56 -0600
                                                                                                                          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-14 20:20 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-14 18:56 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 17:17 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-14 20:38 -0500
                                                                                                Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 20:59 -0500
                                                                                                  g.i.f ?...  for pi dollars! noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 19:17 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 04:08 -0800
                                                                                                    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-08 17:01 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:28 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-09 17:26 -0500
                                                                                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 20:53 -0500
                                                                                            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 20:50 -0500
                                                                                        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 15:52 -0800
                                                                                    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 08:58 -0800
                                                                                      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 09:11 -0800
                                                                                        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 09:34 -0800
                                                                                          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 09:54 -0800
                                                                                          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 09:55 -0800
                                                                                            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 10:05 -0800
                                                                                          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 17:00 -0500
                                                                                      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 16:55 -0500
                                                                                    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 16:49 -0500
                                                                                  Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 16:36 -0500
                                                                            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 19:53 -0500
                                                                  g.i.f  that noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 14:26 -0800
                                                                    Re: g.i.f  that noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 08:39 -0800
                                                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 17:15 -0500
                                                            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 17:12 -0500
                                                          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 17:11 -0500
                                                      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 16:52 -0500
                                        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-03 15:37 +0000
                    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-31 17:01 +0000
                      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 09:14 -0800
                        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 09:19 -0800
                        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-31 18:04 +0000
                          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 13:26 -0800
                            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 10:44 -0800
                    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 11:33 -0600
              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-30 17:41 -0500
                Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 07:22 -0600
                  Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 16:23 -0800
                    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 16:42 -0800
                      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 09:23 -0600
                        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 07:49 -0800
                          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 10:13 -0600
                            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 08:41 -0800
                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 08:47 -0800
                                Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 10:55 -0600
                                  Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 09:12 -0800
                                    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 11:49 -0600
                              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 10:53 -0600
                Re: 2electronorbital.GIF bertlaubsch.bl@gmail.com - 2017-02-14 23:34 -0800
          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-30 17:37 -0500
    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 11:08 -0800
      stuff in header noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 07:22 -0800
    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-30 19:44 +0000
      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 12:01 -0800
        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-30 17:36 -0500
          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 17:09 -0800
            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 22:44 -0800
    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF bertlaubsch.bl@gmail.com - 2017-02-14 23:26 -0800
      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 04:30 -0800
        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-15 13:06 +0000
          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 05:12 -0800
            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 08:27 -0600
            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-15 16:29 +0000
              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 08:35 -0800
                Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-16 17:13 -0500
                  Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 17:10 -0800
                    Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-16 20:35 -0500
                      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 05:08 -0800
                        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <nobody@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-17 15:11 -0500
                        Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-18 17:08 -0500
                          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 16:03 -0800
                      Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 10:26 -0800
          Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 05:22 -0800
            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 08:28 -0600
            Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-15 16:49 +0000
              Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 12:08 -0800

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#617577

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-08 09:11 -0800
Message-ID<7e208705-63cf-4818-9d29-9292a1bbe35d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617574
You see no contradiction between
'fundamental'
and 'delocalized'?
"In chemistry, delocalized electrons are electrons in a molecule, ion or solid metal that are not associated with a single atom or a covalent bond. The term is general and can have slightly different meanings in different fields."
Yes, whatever meaning they need.
Kinda like DM- one size fits all

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#617579

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-08 09:17 -0800
Message-ID<0236b50e-9d5d-4357-af82-1c0e63acf8c8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617577
Anyway, I drew you a picture showing
that Benzene can theoretically share its
electrons just fine without the
Magic Delocalized Electron.
Try to deal

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#617596

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-02-08 18:50 +0000
Message-ID<o7fpac$nhc$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#617579
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Anyway, I drew you a picture showing
>that Benzene can theoretically share its
>electrons just fine without the
>Magic Delocalized Electron.
>Try to deal

Nope. You came up with an animated image that doesn't have a
model to support, and has no apparent connection to reality.
No physics, no math, no scientific evidence, no nothing.

If I saw that in an art gallery, titled "Benzene" by John Sefton,
I might comment "Clever" or "Cute", as interesting non-science
art. But for some strange reason you think that is real, or
science somehow.

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#617585

FromnoTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-08 09:49 -0800
Message-ID<ffff386c-9e36-4398-aeac-1e6f6536da28@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617577
but they still have to be inherently keplerian,
no matter how uncertain their concerted action,
hence the shape of the orbitals mut be lawful --
if they are, I don't know how

> "In chemistry, delocalized electrons are electrons in a molecule, ion or solid metal that are not associated with a single atom or a covalent bond. The term is general and can have slightly different meanings in different fields."
> Yes, whatever meaning they need.
> Kinda like DM- one size fits all

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#617600

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-08 11:26 -0800
Message-ID<c1cdfe7e-2988-4155-8e60-05acc925557f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617585
Not
"
but they still have to be inherently keplerian, 
no matter how uncertain their concerted action, 
hence the shape of the orbitals mut be lawful -- 
if they are, I don't know how 
- hide quoted text -

> "In chemistry, delocalized electrons are electrons in a molecule, ion or solid metal that are not associated with a single atom or a covalent bond. The term is general and can have slightly different meanings in different fields." 
> Yes, whatever meaning they need. 
> Kinda like DM- one size fits all 
"
Which is why it's schizo.
"Oh, they can go anywhere.
Oh, they are restrained "
Schizoid like MM and Odd.

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#617631

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-08 16:31 -0600
Message-ID<o7g673$l60$4@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#617600
On 2/8/2017 1:26 PM, john wrote:
> Not
> "
> but they still have to be inherently keplerian,
> no matter how uncertain their concerted action,
> hence the shape of the orbitals mut be lawful --
> if they are, I don't know how
> - hide quoted text -
>
>> "In chemistry, delocalized electrons are electrons in a molecule, ion
>> or solid metal that are not associated with a single atom or a covalent
>> bond. The term is general and can have slightly different meanings in different fields."
>> Yes, whatever meaning they need.
>> Kinda like DM- one size fits all
> "
> Which is why it's schizo.
> "Oh, they can go anywhere.
> Oh, they are restrained "
> Schizoid like MM and Odd.
>

You obviously are stuck between two extremes.
To you, "delocalization" means "could be anywhere in the goddamm universe".
To you, "localized" means "must follow a Keplerian path where you know 
exactly where it is at each instant."

No middle ground for you. No possibility entertained for something in 
between.


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#617633

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-02-08 17:39 -0500
Message-ID<589b9e06$0$42576$b1db1813$2411a48f@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#617631
On 2/8/2017 5:31 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 2/8/2017 1:26 PM, john wrote:
>> Not
>> "
>> but they still have to be inherently keplerian,
>> no matter how uncertain their concerted action,
>> hence the shape of the orbitals mut be lawful --
>> if they are, I don't know how
>> - hide quoted text -
>>
>>> "In chemistry, delocalized electrons are electrons in a molecule, ion
>>> or solid metal that are not associated with a single atom or a covalent
>>> bond. The term is general and can have slightly different meanings in
>>> different fields."
>>> Yes, whatever meaning they need.
>>> Kinda like DM- one size fits all
>> "
>> Which is why it's schizo.
>> "Oh, they can go anywhere.
>> Oh, they are restrained "
>> Schizoid like MM and Odd.
>>
>
> You obviously are stuck between two extremes.
> To you, "delocalization" means "could be anywhere in the goddamm universe".
> To you, "localized" means "must follow a Keplerian path where you know
> exactly where it is at each instant."
>
> No middle ground for you. No possibility entertained for something in
> between.
>
>
Odd, non-locality which all modern physics now accepts means "anywhere 
and everywhere in the goddamn universe". Read some books! Try to catch 
up with what is now fashionable in physics.

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#617636

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-08 17:01 -0600
Message-ID<o7g80l$nh7$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#617633
On 2/8/2017 4:39 PM, benj wrote:
> On 2/8/2017 5:31 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 2/8/2017 1:26 PM, john wrote:
>>> Not
>>> "
>>> but they still have to be inherently keplerian,
>>> no matter how uncertain their concerted action,
>>> hence the shape of the orbitals mut be lawful --
>>> if they are, I don't know how
>>> - hide quoted text -
>>>
>>>> "In chemistry, delocalized electrons are electrons in a molecule, ion
>>>> or solid metal that are not associated with a single atom or a covalent
>>>> bond. The term is general and can have slightly different meanings in
>>>> different fields."
>>>> Yes, whatever meaning they need.
>>>> Kinda like DM- one size fits all
>>> "
>>> Which is why it's schizo.
>>> "Oh, they can go anywhere.
>>> Oh, they are restrained "
>>> Schizoid like MM and Odd.
>>>
>>
>> You obviously are stuck between two extremes.
>> To you, "delocalization" means "could be anywhere in the goddamm
>> universe".
>> To you, "localized" means "must follow a Keplerian path where you know
>> exactly where it is at each instant."
>>
>> No middle ground for you. No possibility entertained for something in
>> between.
>>
>>
> Odd, non-locality which all modern physics now accepts means "anywhere
> and everywhere in the goddamn universe".

No, it doesn't, John. It just doesn't. Cite your reference.

The problem isn't what QM says. The problem is what Uneducated John 
IMAGINES it says.

> Read some books! Try to catch
> up with what is now fashionable in physics.


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#617618

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-02-08 21:44 +0000
Message-ID<o7g3fa$50b$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#617577
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>You see no contradiction between
>'fundamental'
>and 'delocalized'?

Of course not. "Delocalized" just means there is no permanent assignment of
an electron to any particular atom/nucleus in a molecule.  No contradiction
with that and being fundamental.  The electron is influenced by all atoms
in the molecule.

You even do that in your spinny thing benzene animation. You show electrons
going from one atom to another.

>"In chemistry, delocalized electrons are electrons in a molecule, ion or
>solid metal that are not associated with a single atom or a covalent bond.
>The term is general and can have slightly different meanings in different
>fields."


>Yes, whatever meaning they need.
>Kinda like DM- one size fits all

Go read the Wikipedia pages on Molecular orbitals, Molecular orbital
theory and Molecular orbital diagrams.  Assuming you actually want to
learn something rather than be ruled by your precessing spinny thing OCD.

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#617620

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-08 13:55 -0800
Message-ID<196d58c9-3b3b-4fcb-9a36-4376b8b8221f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617618
MM
"You even do that in your spinny thing benzene animation. You show electrons 
going from one atom to another. 

>"In chemistry, delocalized electrons are electrons in a molecule, ion or 
>solid metal that are not associated with a single atom or a covalent bond. "

Yes.
Michael.
Electrons go from one atom to another.
It's called a "bond".
You seem to think they come and go by
magic.
You are satisfied with that.
Me, not so much.
I don't believe in magic

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#617632

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-08 16:32 -0600
Message-ID<o7g6a7$l60$6@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#617620
On 2/8/2017 3:55 PM, john wrote:
> MM
> "You even do that in your spinny thing benzene animation. You show electrons
> going from one atom to another.
>
>> "In chemistry, delocalized electrons are electrons in a molecule, ion or
>> solid metal that are not associated with a single atom or a covalent bond. "
>
> Yes.
> Michael.
> Electrons go from one atom to another.
> It's called a "bond".
> You seem to think they come and go by
> magic.

It's not magic. Why do you call anything you haven't studied, or which 
doesn't make immediate sense to you magic?

> You are satisfied with that.
> Me, not so much.
> I don't believe in magic
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#617693

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-02-09 03:53 +0000
Message-ID<o7gp4i$9ob$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#617620
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"You even do that in your spinny thing benzene animation. You show electrons 
>going from one atom to another. 

>>"In chemistry, delocalized electrons are electrons in a molecule, ion or 
>>solid metal that are not associated with a single atom or a covalent bond. "

>Yes.
>Michael.
>Electrons go from one atom to another.
>It's called a "bond".

The delocated pi electron bond in benzene is also called a "bond".

And there you go off and think of electrons as if they were the same as
macroscopic objects, thinking they have to physically move for some
unknown reason, and precess for what must be an even more bizarre unknown
reason.  No wonder you don't understand any of this.

Bonds, simply put, are when two (or more)* orbitals combine in such a
way as the electrons occupying them are in a lower energy state than in
the orbitals separately.

(*) In addition to the delocalized multiatom bonds that, oddly, you hate
so much, boron in particular likes to participate in 3 atom 3 orbital
bonds.

>You seem to think they come and go by
>magic.
>You are satisfied with that.
>Me, not so much.
>I don't believe in magic

I don't either.  No magic involved, so both of us should be happy.
It's just QM, not magic.

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#617702

FromnoTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-08 21:51 -0800
Message-ID<a6ba3922-89c7-4f14-a887-ffc525752458@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617693
prosaic & parsimoniac

> Bonds, simply put, are when two (or more)* orbitals combine in such a
> way as the electrons occupying them are in a lower energy state than in
> the orbitals separately.
> 
> (*) In addition to the delocalized multiatom bonds that, oddly, you hate
> so much, boron in particular likes to participate in 3 atom 3 orbital
> bonds.
> 
> >You seem to think they come and go by
> >magic.
> >You are satisfied with that.
> >Me, not so much.
> >I don't believe in magic
> 
> I don't either.  No magic involved, so both of us should be happy.
> It's just QM, not magic.

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#617744

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-09 05:33 -0800
Message-ID<f6671ebc-bf67-4f81-8227-546945072d5f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617702
Arguing with schizophrenics.
Their precious "fundamental particle"- a
concept devoid of logic- they now
imagine wanders happily
wherever it wants. No matter there's
no possible pathway it can follow.

And this is fine with these "scientists ".

Science is dead.

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#617747

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-09 06:31 -0800
Message-ID<fa019715-2a10-4a65-92ca-84495f8cfe35@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617744
In spite of being shown a constant-acceleration 
standing-wave pathway composed of one
rotation per every two precessions-a spin that
can truthfully be called 1/2 :
 http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/2electronorbital.GIF
 these guys persist in their
"delocalized means it can be ANYWHERE"
Superman-Spider-Man-Batman model of the
electron.
And in spite of being shown that
this standing wave may be used to
model Benzene- totally classically, with the
3rd Carbon electron (green) perfectly
integrated and doing EGGfuckingZACTLY
what ALL the other sharing electrons are
doing (but not the two BLACK non-sharing
electrons on each Carbon disc- anyone
actually LOOK at this model?)
 http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/BenzeneE.GIF
 In spite of that, they all 
just get DELOCALIZED!

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#617749

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-09 09:23 -0600
Message-ID<o7i1h3$1e56$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#617747
On 2/9/2017 8:31 AM, john wrote:
>  these guys persist in their
> "delocalized means it can be ANYWHERE"

Nobody says that except for you.
Nobody is persisting in such misstatements except for you.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#617763

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-02-09 17:54 +0000
Message-ID<o7iadh$fsc$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#617747
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>In spite of being shown a constant-acceleration 
>standing-wave pathway

It's NOT "constant-acceleration". It curves all over the place so would 
radiate like hell.  And it's not a standing wave as you show it.

> composed of one
>rotation per every two precessions-

Why don't you get your precession OCD treated?

> these guys persist in their
>"delocalized means it can be ANYWHERE"
>Superman-Spider-Man-Batman model of the
>electron.

Why do you lie?

>And in spite of being shown that
>this standing wave may be used to
>model Benzene-

You have failed to produce a model that would suggest that animation 
matches reality.

> totally classically,

Classical mechanics doesn't work at that level.

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#617748

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-09 06:33 -0800
Message-ID<30d715c5-577d-4027-a7c3-9107aa310db4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617744
Haha.
And then they accuse me of kookery.

I'm going to the bar tonight,
Honey,
and I'm a'gonna get me DELOCALIZED 
:)

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#617751

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-09 07:42 -0800
Message-ID<e7f600ae-f3b6-4ba7-a080-79f30aa484b9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617748
-> In spite of being shown a constant-acceleration 
-> standing-wave pathway composed of one 
-> rotation per every two precessions-a spin that 
-> can truthfully be called 1/2 : 
 -> http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/2electronorbital.GIF 
 -> these guys persist in their 
-> "delocalized means it can be ANYWHERE" 
-> Superman-Spider-Man-Batman model of the 
-> electron. 
-> And in spite of being shown that 
-> this standing wave may be used to 
-> model Benzene- totally classically, with the 
-> 3rd Carbon electron (green) perfectly 
-> integrated and doing EGGfuckingZACTLY 
-> what ALL the other sharing electrons are 
-> doing (but not the two BLACK non-sharing 
-> electrons on each Carbon disc- anyone 
-> actually LOOK at this model?) 
->  http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/BenzeneE.GIF 
 -> 

I mean, really! 

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#617753

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-09 09:10 -0800
Message-ID<4d395d1d-90c4-45a3-84bc-f91eccc0c206@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617751
Hey,
I'm an asshole,
but I'm who you got

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