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| Started by | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2017-01-30 09:04 -0800 |
| Last post | 2017-02-15 12:08 -0800 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 230 — 10 participants |
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2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 09:04 -0800
2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 09:36 -0800
2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 09:37 -0800
2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 11:02 -0800
2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 11:15 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-30 19:39 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 12:03 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 12:25 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 14:42 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 14:02 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 16:16 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 14:38 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 07:19 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-31 16:54 +0000
fig. **** noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 12:47 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 07:06 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 07:27 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 11:35 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 10:00 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 12:34 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 11:26 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 14:37 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 00:19 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 09:23 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 12:10 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 14:32 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 14:56 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF "F.Art.Ingatu" <F.Art.Ingatu@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-31 13:20 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 15:36 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 15:16 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 16:55 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 16:20 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-01 05:00 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 00:06 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 09:25 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-01 19:00 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 07:53 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 08:46 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 10:02 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 12:21 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 10:26 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 12:41 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 10:58 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 11:07 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 14:05 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 11:17 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 11:34 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-03 19:11 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 08:15 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-04 17:33 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 16:16 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-04 20:48 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 19:56 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 00:59 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 04:19 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 04:51 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 05:07 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 05:41 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 08:55 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 10:36 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 11:43 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 13:17 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 17:25 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 17:24 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-05 21:20 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 13:44 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-06 04:37 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 06:05 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-06 16:54 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 09:13 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 13:33 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-06 22:18 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 16:15 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 16:28 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 16:43 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 20:05 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 02:51 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 06:18 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 06:46 -0800
tainty noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 08:30 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-07 19:09 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 13:03 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 15:37 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 14:37 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 16:50 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 15:38 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 17:49 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 03:59 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-08 13:32 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 05:46 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 06:03 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 07:23 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-08 16:19 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 08:48 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 11:42 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 11:50 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 12:10 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-08 17:06 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:08 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-08 16:49 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 09:11 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 09:17 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-08 18:50 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 09:49 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 11:26 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 16:31 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-08 17:39 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:01 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-08 21:44 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 13:55 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 16:32 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-09 03:53 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 21:51 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 05:33 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 06:31 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 09:23 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-09 17:54 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 06:33 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 07:42 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 09:10 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-09 18:00 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:43 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:09 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 07:14 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 06:24 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 15:15 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 09:12 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 06:54 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-12 21:42 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 14:14 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 05:27 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 07:21 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 08:38 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 11:08 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-13 16:23 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-13 19:36 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-13 16:25 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 08:53 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 09:25 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 09:42 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 09:59 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 10:09 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 10:52 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-14 19:03 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 08:30 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 06:40 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 14:58 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-16 17:35 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-16 17:32 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 16:12 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 13:56 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-14 20:20 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-14 18:56 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 17:17 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-14 20:38 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 20:59 -0500
g.i.f ?... for pi dollars! noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 19:17 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 04:08 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-08 17:01 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:28 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-09 17:26 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 20:53 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 20:50 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 15:52 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 08:58 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 09:11 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 09:34 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 09:54 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 09:55 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 10:05 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 17:00 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 16:55 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 16:49 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 16:36 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 19:53 -0500
g.i.f that noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 14:26 -0800
Re: g.i.f that noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 08:39 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 17:15 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 17:12 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 17:11 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 16:52 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-03 15:37 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-31 17:01 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 09:14 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 09:19 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-31 18:04 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 13:26 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 10:44 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 11:33 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-30 17:41 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 07:22 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 16:23 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 16:42 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 09:23 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 07:49 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 10:13 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 08:41 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 08:47 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 10:55 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 09:12 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 11:49 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 10:53 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF bertlaubsch.bl@gmail.com - 2017-02-14 23:34 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-30 17:37 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 11:08 -0800
stuff in header noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 07:22 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-30 19:44 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 12:01 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-30 17:36 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 17:09 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 22:44 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF bertlaubsch.bl@gmail.com - 2017-02-14 23:26 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 04:30 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-15 13:06 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 05:12 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 08:27 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-15 16:29 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 08:35 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-16 17:13 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 17:10 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-16 20:35 -0500
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Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <nobody@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-17 15:11 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-18 17:08 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 16:03 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 10:26 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 05:22 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 08:28 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-15 16:49 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 12:08 -0800
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 09:11 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <7e208705-63cf-4818-9d29-9292a1bbe35d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617574 |
You see no contradiction between 'fundamental' and 'delocalized'? "In chemistry, delocalized electrons are electrons in a molecule, ion or solid metal that are not associated with a single atom or a covalent bond. The term is general and can have slightly different meanings in different fields." Yes, whatever meaning they need. Kinda like DM- one size fits all
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 09:17 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <0236b50e-9d5d-4357-af82-1c0e63acf8c8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617577 |
Anyway, I drew you a picture showing that Benzene can theoretically share its electrons just fine without the Magic Delocalized Electron. Try to deal
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 18:50 +0000 |
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| In reply to | #617579 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Anyway, I drew you a picture showing >that Benzene can theoretically share its >electrons just fine without the >Magic Delocalized Electron. >Try to deal Nope. You came up with an animated image that doesn't have a model to support, and has no apparent connection to reality. No physics, no math, no scientific evidence, no nothing. If I saw that in an art gallery, titled "Benzene" by John Sefton, I might comment "Clever" or "Cute", as interesting non-science art. But for some strange reason you think that is real, or science somehow.
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 09:49 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ffff386c-9e36-4398-aeac-1e6f6536da28@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617577 |
but they still have to be inherently keplerian, no matter how uncertain their concerted action, hence the shape of the orbitals mut be lawful -- if they are, I don't know how > "In chemistry, delocalized electrons are electrons in a molecule, ion or solid metal that are not associated with a single atom or a covalent bond. The term is general and can have slightly different meanings in different fields." > Yes, whatever meaning they need. > Kinda like DM- one size fits all
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 11:26 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <c1cdfe7e-2988-4155-8e60-05acc925557f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617585 |
Not " but they still have to be inherently keplerian, no matter how uncertain their concerted action, hence the shape of the orbitals mut be lawful -- if they are, I don't know how - hide quoted text - > "In chemistry, delocalized electrons are electrons in a molecule, ion or solid metal that are not associated with a single atom or a covalent bond. The term is general and can have slightly different meanings in different fields." > Yes, whatever meaning they need. > Kinda like DM- one size fits all " Which is why it's schizo. "Oh, they can go anywhere. Oh, they are restrained " Schizoid like MM and Odd.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 16:31 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <o7g673$l60$4@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #617600 |
On 2/8/2017 1:26 PM, john wrote: > Not > " > but they still have to be inherently keplerian, > no matter how uncertain their concerted action, > hence the shape of the orbitals mut be lawful -- > if they are, I don't know how > - hide quoted text - > >> "In chemistry, delocalized electrons are electrons in a molecule, ion >> or solid metal that are not associated with a single atom or a covalent >> bond. The term is general and can have slightly different meanings in different fields." >> Yes, whatever meaning they need. >> Kinda like DM- one size fits all > " > Which is why it's schizo. > "Oh, they can go anywhere. > Oh, they are restrained " > Schizoid like MM and Odd. > You obviously are stuck between two extremes. To you, "delocalization" means "could be anywhere in the goddamm universe". To you, "localized" means "must follow a Keplerian path where you know exactly where it is at each instant." No middle ground for you. No possibility entertained for something in between. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 17:39 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <589b9e06$0$42576$b1db1813$2411a48f@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #617631 |
On 2/8/2017 5:31 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 2/8/2017 1:26 PM, john wrote: >> Not >> " >> but they still have to be inherently keplerian, >> no matter how uncertain their concerted action, >> hence the shape of the orbitals mut be lawful -- >> if they are, I don't know how >> - hide quoted text - >> >>> "In chemistry, delocalized electrons are electrons in a molecule, ion >>> or solid metal that are not associated with a single atom or a covalent >>> bond. The term is general and can have slightly different meanings in >>> different fields." >>> Yes, whatever meaning they need. >>> Kinda like DM- one size fits all >> " >> Which is why it's schizo. >> "Oh, they can go anywhere. >> Oh, they are restrained " >> Schizoid like MM and Odd. >> > > You obviously are stuck between two extremes. > To you, "delocalization" means "could be anywhere in the goddamm universe". > To you, "localized" means "must follow a Keplerian path where you know > exactly where it is at each instant." > > No middle ground for you. No possibility entertained for something in > between. > > Odd, non-locality which all modern physics now accepts means "anywhere and everywhere in the goddamn universe". Read some books! Try to catch up with what is now fashionable in physics.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 17:01 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <o7g80l$nh7$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #617633 |
On 2/8/2017 4:39 PM, benj wrote: > On 2/8/2017 5:31 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 2/8/2017 1:26 PM, john wrote: >>> Not >>> " >>> but they still have to be inherently keplerian, >>> no matter how uncertain their concerted action, >>> hence the shape of the orbitals mut be lawful -- >>> if they are, I don't know how >>> - hide quoted text - >>> >>>> "In chemistry, delocalized electrons are electrons in a molecule, ion >>>> or solid metal that are not associated with a single atom or a covalent >>>> bond. The term is general and can have slightly different meanings in >>>> different fields." >>>> Yes, whatever meaning they need. >>>> Kinda like DM- one size fits all >>> " >>> Which is why it's schizo. >>> "Oh, they can go anywhere. >>> Oh, they are restrained " >>> Schizoid like MM and Odd. >>> >> >> You obviously are stuck between two extremes. >> To you, "delocalization" means "could be anywhere in the goddamm >> universe". >> To you, "localized" means "must follow a Keplerian path where you know >> exactly where it is at each instant." >> >> No middle ground for you. No possibility entertained for something in >> between. >> >> > Odd, non-locality which all modern physics now accepts means "anywhere > and everywhere in the goddamn universe". No, it doesn't, John. It just doesn't. Cite your reference. The problem isn't what QM says. The problem is what Uneducated John IMAGINES it says. > Read some books! Try to catch > up with what is now fashionable in physics. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 21:44 +0000 |
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| In reply to | #617577 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >You see no contradiction between >'fundamental' >and 'delocalized'? Of course not. "Delocalized" just means there is no permanent assignment of an electron to any particular atom/nucleus in a molecule. No contradiction with that and being fundamental. The electron is influenced by all atoms in the molecule. You even do that in your spinny thing benzene animation. You show electrons going from one atom to another. >"In chemistry, delocalized electrons are electrons in a molecule, ion or >solid metal that are not associated with a single atom or a covalent bond. >The term is general and can have slightly different meanings in different >fields." >Yes, whatever meaning they need. >Kinda like DM- one size fits all Go read the Wikipedia pages on Molecular orbitals, Molecular orbital theory and Molecular orbital diagrams. Assuming you actually want to learn something rather than be ruled by your precessing spinny thing OCD.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 13:55 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <196d58c9-3b3b-4fcb-9a36-4376b8b8221f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617618 |
MM "You even do that in your spinny thing benzene animation. You show electrons going from one atom to another. >"In chemistry, delocalized electrons are electrons in a molecule, ion or >solid metal that are not associated with a single atom or a covalent bond. " Yes. Michael. Electrons go from one atom to another. It's called a "bond". You seem to think they come and go by magic. You are satisfied with that. Me, not so much. I don't believe in magic
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 16:32 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <o7g6a7$l60$6@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #617620 |
On 2/8/2017 3:55 PM, john wrote: > MM > "You even do that in your spinny thing benzene animation. You show electrons > going from one atom to another. > >> "In chemistry, delocalized electrons are electrons in a molecule, ion or >> solid metal that are not associated with a single atom or a covalent bond. " > > Yes. > Michael. > Electrons go from one atom to another. > It's called a "bond". > You seem to think they come and go by > magic. It's not magic. Why do you call anything you haven't studied, or which doesn't make immediate sense to you magic? > You are satisfied with that. > Me, not so much. > I don't believe in magic > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-02-09 03:53 +0000 |
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| In reply to | #617620 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >"You even do that in your spinny thing benzene animation. You show electrons >going from one atom to another. >>"In chemistry, delocalized electrons are electrons in a molecule, ion or >>solid metal that are not associated with a single atom or a covalent bond. " >Yes. >Michael. >Electrons go from one atom to another. >It's called a "bond". The delocated pi electron bond in benzene is also called a "bond". And there you go off and think of electrons as if they were the same as macroscopic objects, thinking they have to physically move for some unknown reason, and precess for what must be an even more bizarre unknown reason. No wonder you don't understand any of this. Bonds, simply put, are when two (or more)* orbitals combine in such a way as the electrons occupying them are in a lower energy state than in the orbitals separately. (*) In addition to the delocalized multiatom bonds that, oddly, you hate so much, boron in particular likes to participate in 3 atom 3 orbital bonds. >You seem to think they come and go by >magic. >You are satisfied with that. >Me, not so much. >I don't believe in magic I don't either. No magic involved, so both of us should be happy. It's just QM, not magic.
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 21:51 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <a6ba3922-89c7-4f14-a887-ffc525752458@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617693 |
prosaic & parsimoniac > Bonds, simply put, are when two (or more)* orbitals combine in such a > way as the electrons occupying them are in a lower energy state than in > the orbitals separately. > > (*) In addition to the delocalized multiatom bonds that, oddly, you hate > so much, boron in particular likes to participate in 3 atom 3 orbital > bonds. > > >You seem to think they come and go by > >magic. > >You are satisfied with that. > >Me, not so much. > >I don't believe in magic > > I don't either. No magic involved, so both of us should be happy. > It's just QM, not magic.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-09 05:33 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <f6671ebc-bf67-4f81-8227-546945072d5f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617702 |
Arguing with schizophrenics. Their precious "fundamental particle"- a concept devoid of logic- they now imagine wanders happily wherever it wants. No matter there's no possible pathway it can follow. And this is fine with these "scientists ". Science is dead.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-09 06:31 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <fa019715-2a10-4a65-92ca-84495f8cfe35@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617744 |
In spite of being shown a constant-acceleration standing-wave pathway composed of one rotation per every two precessions-a spin that can truthfully be called 1/2 : http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/2electronorbital.GIF these guys persist in their "delocalized means it can be ANYWHERE" Superman-Spider-Man-Batman model of the electron. And in spite of being shown that this standing wave may be used to model Benzene- totally classically, with the 3rd Carbon electron (green) perfectly integrated and doing EGGfuckingZACTLY what ALL the other sharing electrons are doing (but not the two BLACK non-sharing electrons on each Carbon disc- anyone actually LOOK at this model?) http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/BenzeneE.GIF In spite of that, they all just get DELOCALIZED!
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-09 09:23 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <o7i1h3$1e56$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #617747 |
On 2/9/2017 8:31 AM, john wrote: > these guys persist in their > "delocalized means it can be ANYWHERE" Nobody says that except for you. Nobody is persisting in such misstatements except for you. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-02-09 17:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o7iadh$fsc$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #617747 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >In spite of being shown a constant-acceleration >standing-wave pathway It's NOT "constant-acceleration". It curves all over the place so would radiate like hell. And it's not a standing wave as you show it. > composed of one >rotation per every two precessions- Why don't you get your precession OCD treated? > these guys persist in their >"delocalized means it can be ANYWHERE" >Superman-Spider-Man-Batman model of the >electron. Why do you lie? >And in spite of being shown that >this standing wave may be used to >model Benzene- You have failed to produce a model that would suggest that animation matches reality. > totally classically, Classical mechanics doesn't work at that level.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-09 06:33 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <30d715c5-577d-4027-a7c3-9107aa310db4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617744 |
Haha. And then they accuse me of kookery. I'm going to the bar tonight, Honey, and I'm a'gonna get me DELOCALIZED :)
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-09 07:42 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <e7f600ae-f3b6-4ba7-a080-79f30aa484b9@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617748 |
-> In spite of being shown a constant-acceleration -> standing-wave pathway composed of one -> rotation per every two precessions-a spin that -> can truthfully be called 1/2 : -> http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/2electronorbital.GIF -> these guys persist in their -> "delocalized means it can be ANYWHERE" -> Superman-Spider-Man-Batman model of the -> electron. -> And in spite of being shown that -> this standing wave may be used to -> model Benzene- totally classically, with the -> 3rd Carbon electron (green) perfectly -> integrated and doing EGGfuckingZACTLY -> what ALL the other sharing electrons are -> doing (but not the two BLACK non-sharing -> electrons on each Carbon disc- anyone -> actually LOOK at this model?) -> http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/BenzeneE.GIF -> I mean, really!
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-09 09:10 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <4d395d1d-90c4-45a3-84bc-f91eccc0c206@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617751 |
Hey, I'm an asshole, but I'm who you got
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