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| Started by | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2017-01-30 09:04 -0800 |
| Last post | 2017-02-15 12:08 -0800 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 230 — 10 participants |
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2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 09:04 -0800
2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 09:36 -0800
2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 09:37 -0800
2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 11:02 -0800
2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 11:15 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-30 19:39 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 12:03 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 12:25 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 14:42 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 14:02 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 16:16 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 14:38 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 07:19 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-31 16:54 +0000
fig. **** noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 12:47 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 07:06 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 07:27 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 11:35 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 10:00 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 12:34 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 11:26 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 14:37 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 00:19 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 09:23 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 12:10 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 14:32 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 14:56 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF "F.Art.Ingatu" <F.Art.Ingatu@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-31 13:20 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 15:36 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 15:16 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 16:55 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 16:20 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-01 05:00 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 00:06 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 09:25 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-01 19:00 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 07:53 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 08:46 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 10:02 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 12:21 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 10:26 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 12:41 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 10:58 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 11:07 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 14:05 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 11:17 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 11:34 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-03 19:11 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 08:15 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-04 17:33 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 16:16 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-04 20:48 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 19:56 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 00:59 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 04:19 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 04:51 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 05:07 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 05:41 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 08:55 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 10:36 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 11:43 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 13:17 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 17:25 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 17:24 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-05 21:20 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 13:44 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-06 04:37 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 06:05 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-06 16:54 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 09:13 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 13:33 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-06 22:18 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 16:15 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 16:28 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 16:43 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 20:05 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 02:51 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 06:18 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 06:46 -0800
tainty noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 08:30 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-07 19:09 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 13:03 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 15:37 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 14:37 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 16:50 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 15:38 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 17:49 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 03:59 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-08 13:32 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 05:46 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 06:03 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 07:23 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-08 16:19 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 08:48 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 11:42 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 11:50 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 12:10 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-08 17:06 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:08 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-08 16:49 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 09:11 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 09:17 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-08 18:50 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 09:49 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 11:26 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 16:31 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-08 17:39 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:01 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-08 21:44 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 13:55 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 16:32 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-09 03:53 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 21:51 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 05:33 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 06:31 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 09:23 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-09 17:54 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 06:33 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 07:42 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 09:10 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-09 18:00 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:43 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:09 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 07:14 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 06:24 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 15:15 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 09:12 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 06:54 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-12 21:42 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 14:14 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 05:27 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 07:21 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 08:38 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 11:08 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-13 16:23 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-13 19:36 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-13 16:25 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 08:53 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 09:25 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 09:42 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 09:59 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 10:09 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 10:52 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-14 19:03 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 08:30 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 06:40 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 14:58 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-16 17:35 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-16 17:32 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 16:12 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 13:56 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-14 20:20 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-14 18:56 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 17:17 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-14 20:38 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 20:59 -0500
g.i.f ?... for pi dollars! noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 19:17 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 04:08 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-08 17:01 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:28 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-09 17:26 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 20:53 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 20:50 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 15:52 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 08:58 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 09:11 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 09:34 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 09:54 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 09:55 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 10:05 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 17:00 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 16:55 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 16:49 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 16:36 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 19:53 -0500
g.i.f that noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 14:26 -0800
Re: g.i.f that noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 08:39 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 17:15 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 17:12 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 17:11 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 16:52 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-03 15:37 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-31 17:01 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 09:14 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 09:19 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-31 18:04 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 13:26 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 10:44 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 11:33 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-30 17:41 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 07:22 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 16:23 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 16:42 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 09:23 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 07:49 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 10:13 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 08:41 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 08:47 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 10:55 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 09:12 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 11:49 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 10:53 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF bertlaubsch.bl@gmail.com - 2017-02-14 23:34 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-30 17:37 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 11:08 -0800
stuff in header noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 07:22 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-30 19:44 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 12:01 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-30 17:36 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 17:09 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 22:44 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF bertlaubsch.bl@gmail.com - 2017-02-14 23:26 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 04:30 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-15 13:06 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 05:12 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 08:27 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-15 16:29 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 08:35 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-16 17:13 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 17:10 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-16 20:35 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 05:08 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <nobody@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-17 15:11 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-18 17:08 -0500
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 16:03 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 10:26 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 05:22 -0800
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 08:28 -0600
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-15 16:49 +0000
Re: 2electronorbital.GIF noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 12:08 -0800
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-02-07 19:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o7d610$dr4$5@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #617369 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Anyway, I deduced that one rotation of the > disc (one cycle), per two precessions of Nature doesn't care what you "deduce". Nature has her own rules. It is the job of science to discover those rules. And no, Nature isn't going to be so retarded as to involve retarded spinny things, except as a mathematical curiosity perhaps. >So, since applying ones classical theory >to Benzene was the acid test for >classical electron orbitals, no, at the atomic scale you have to apply QM theory, classical mechanics doesn't work at that level. >Current theory >would have it that this electron >'delocalises' or whatever, 'spreading out' >around the ring, somehow. I don't >see how this is possible, classically. Again, classical mechanical theory doesn't work for that. It's actually not so hard to see how "delocalized" electrons show up. The wave functions of electrons in a bond (or antibond) are simply the sums of the wave functions of the individual electrons involved. Take the wave functions 6 p-orbital electrons for atoms arranged in a hexago (the hexagon in the xy plane and the p orbitals pointed in the z direction) with the "+" side of the 6 wave functions all on the same side of the xy plane and add them, you'll get a wave function that is mostly delocalized, with the function value between atoms close to that directly above the atoms. The electron density function is just the square of the wave function, so you'll see the density between the individual p lobes is close to that of the lobes themselves. Maybe you can reprogram your 3d software to plot electron wave/density functions for bonds instead of doing more silly spinny things. >Look at the six green electrons in the <snip babble> > Isn't that sweet? No, that is retarded.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-07 13:03 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <4cbc1a77-92ce-4aa4-b393-4f3df6fe6a58@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617413 |
MM " >So, since applying ones classical theory >to Benzene was the acid test for >classical electron orbitals, no, at the atomic scale you have to apply QM theory, classical mechanics doesn't work at that level. " QM theory is retarded.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-07 15:37 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <o7dem2$1c29$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #617430 |
On 2/7/2017 3:03 PM, john wrote: > MM > " > >> So, since applying ones classical theory >> to Benzene was the acid test for >> classical electron orbitals, > > no, at the atomic scale you have to apply QM theory, classical mechanics doesn't > work at that level. > " > QM theory is retarded. > On what scientific basis do you say it is retarded? Not just because it makes you gag. Not just because you can't figure it out. Not just because it isn't based on the physical form of the structures inside. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-07 14:37 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <3b97577f-1552-4976-91be-3846ea0a10a6@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617438 |
Odd "On what scientific basis do you say it is retarded? Not just because it makes you gag. Not just because you can't figure it out. Not just because it isn't based on the physical form of the structures inside. " QM works because a mol is a lot of atoms. Statistics works. That's why lotteries are a tax on the stupid. But you can't reduce statistical math to describe the single atom. It DOES have structure. It's NOT just a bunch of numbers. Structure, Odd. Ever have the structure of any of your skeletal parts compromised?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-07 16:50 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <o7diut$1j9b$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #617455 |
On 2/7/2017 4:37 PM, john wrote: > Odd > "On what scientific basis do you say it is retarded? > Not just because it makes you gag. > Not just because you can't figure it out. > Not just because it isn't based on the physical form of the structures > inside. > > " > QM works because a mol is a lot of atoms. QM does not deal with lots of atoms, as in a mol. QM is perfectly happy dealing with ONE atom. So far, your complaint about QM seems to be based on a lie about what QM is about. > Statistics works. > That's why lotteries are a tax on the stupid. > > But you can't reduce statistical math to describe the > single atom. It DOES have structure. > It's NOT just a bunch of numbers. QM is not just a set of numbers, nor does it say the atom is just a set of numbers. So far, your complaint about QM seems to be based on another lie about what QM is about. Furthermore, QM doesn't say the atom is without structure, or that the electron just appears in any old random place in the atom. Both of those would be lies about what QM actually is about. So, aside from the lies about QM that you just seem to be MAKING UP, John, on what SCIENTIFIC BASIS do you say that QM is retarded?? > > Structure, Odd. > Ever have the structure of any of your > skeletal parts compromised? > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-07 15:38 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <01adfbf4-14d8-451d-bdd8-603543f623ca@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617456 |
Odd "electron just appears in any old random place in the atom. Both of those would be lies about what QM actually is about. " I withdraw "retarded". I submit that, having just heard that you DO have a physical model, you present it in animated form. You'll have to do better than Feynman scrawls. If you can't, I substitute "schizophrenic "
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-07 17:49 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <o7dmdh$1o1o$4@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #617461 |
On 2/7/2017 5:38 PM, john wrote: > Odd > "electron just appears in any old random place in the atom. Both of those > would be lies about what QM actually is about. " > > I withdraw "retarded". > I submit that, having just heard that > you DO have a physical model, References given. Even pointed you to an app. Remember? > you present it in animated form. > You'll have to do better than Feynman > scrawls. > > If you can't, I substitute "schizophrenic " > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 03:59 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <a1567509-adf8-42c4-827a-36d5c2169b73@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617464 |
Odd "References given. Even pointed you to an app. Remember?" Yes. Atom in a box. Thats your model?
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 13:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o7f6ld$ve9$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #617548 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Atom in a box. >Thats your model? Retarded precessing spinny things. That's your model?
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 05:46 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <d8100bfd-5e72-4884-8046-91a29d584337@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617554 |
MM " Retarded precessing spinny things. That's your model? " My model shows that the third Carbon electron in Benzene simply occupies a molecular orbital by itself between two of the Carbons. The one to the left or the one to the right. Either, or- it's a circle. Electrons don't "spread out" among three or more atoms. They are discrete entities. Show me a part of an electron! That's what you are believing. That's retarded. Stop believing that.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 06:03 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <6db34897-bba5-4f57-a36e-7d9831d1a01f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617556 |
Idiots not only have enshrined electrons as "fundamental particles", but in their next breath they are "delocalizing" them. What kind of drugs are you on?
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 07:23 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <86ae0300-e292-48f8-9d2e-33fd540757fa@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617557 |
Delocalized Fundamental Particles Can you spell "schizophrenic science "?
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 16:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o7fge2$5o5$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #617564 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Can you spell "schizophrenic science "? Is that what you are calling your precessing spinny things now?
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 08:48 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <fed1420e-d136-4eca-beb2-6d8c0eb8dc5d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617568 |
MM "Is that what you are calling your precessing spinny things now? " No. You I call ADHD. Delocalized Fundamental Particles just shows how YOUR Science is hopelessly lost. What? An electron is Fundamental? Oh! And we can apportion it out? Crazy stuff- gotta give you credit. Quantum. As in HOW MUCH bullshit will you believe.
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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 11:42 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <f23f37cf-0203-4838-961a-c6d3937f55c0@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617573 |
Poor John says Delocalized Fundamental Particles just shows how YOUR Science is hopelessly lost. What? An electron is Fundamental? Oh! And we can apportion it out? Crazy stuff- gotta give you credit. Quantum. As in HOW MUCH bullshit will you believe. ---------- Your problem John (well, ONE of them) is your fundamental lack of education. You are similar to BJ insofar as since you cannot grasp the concepts of qm, instead of studying harder, you find it far easier to just say it's rubbish. And this despite the fact that qm has ushered in the electronic revolution. It's the lazy man's way out. And while you are making cartoon gif images instead of learning, BJ is off chasing ghosts and scribbling off what amounts to nursery books where he defends his kooky beliefs. No offense to either of you
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 11:50 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <bc8bfdc0-c7a5-4686-992f-a64e09845ee2@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617603 |
HVAC "No offense to either of you " Trust me- no one takes you seriously
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 12:10 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <9e888f14-ea0f-4d5a-8c53-93a8587c3ece@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617603 |
well, electronics are c00l -- with adequate dysipation! they cannot be offended by the lovely shapes of the orbitals' um probablity to the secondpower, what ever > this despite the fact that qm has ushered in the electronic revolution. It's the lazy man's way out. And while you are making cartoon gif images instead of learning, BJ is off chasing ghosts and scribbling off what amounts to nursery books where he defends his kooky beliefs. > > No offense to either of you
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 17:06 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <589b965f$0$61851$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #617603 |
On 2/8/2017 2:42 PM, HVAC wrote: > Poor John says Delocalized Fundamental Particles just shows how YOUR > Science is hopelessly lost. What? An electron is Fundamental? Oh! And > we can apportion it out? > > Crazy stuff- gotta give you credit. Quantum. As in HOW MUCH bullshit > will you believe. ---------- > > Your problem John (well, ONE of them) is your fundamental lack of > education. You are similar to BJ insofar as since you cannot grasp > the concepts of qm, instead of studying harder, you find it far > easier to just say it's rubbish. And this despite the fact that qm > has ushered in the electronic revolution. It's the lazy man's way > out. And while you are making cartoon gif images instead of learning, > BJ is off chasing ghosts and scribbling off what amounts to nursery > books where he defends his kooky beliefs. > > No offense to either of you Don't sweat it John. HardBlow is a pathological liar who knows zero science. He already PROVED beyond any doubt that he is dumber than Bert when it comes to science. All he knows is libel slander name-calling and fantasy. He's sick in the head and thinks he's Napoleon. He isn't even capable of reading nursery books let along anything close to QM. It's a wonder he isn't over in the "smarter than Einstein" forum with Odd telling everyone how dumb everyone else is.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 17:08 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <o7g8dj$ome$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #617557 |
On 2/8/2017 8:03 AM, john wrote: > Idiots not only have enshrined electrons > as "fundamental particles", but in their > next breath they are "delocalizing" them. > What kind of drugs are you on? > What about this sounds contradictory, John? -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 16:49 +0000 |
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| In reply to | #617556 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >" >Retarded precessing spinny things. >That's your model? >" >My model shows that the third Carbon >electron in Benzene simply No, it does not. It just shows how some colored dots go round and round when part of a bunch of retarded spinny things. You have never come up with a true model. A true model will describe using physics and math what happens and why it happens according to the model. A true model will make testable predictions that will distinguish the model from other models currently in use. And of course, it can't conflict with what's already been measured. "It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong." -- Richard P. Feynman Also, the model comes first. Diagrams/animations/etc come later to help explain the model, but you can't just come up with an animated gif and say "Hey, that's benzene!" just because it has a remote similarity to the structure of benzene (spinny things arranged in a hexagon for example). >Electrons don't "spread out" among three or more atoms. And your proof of this is? Do you understand the Heisenberg uncertainty principle? Do you understand that it means we can't know exactly where something like an electron is? That we have to settle with "It's close to here" ? And when you invoke orbital theory, we can produce probability charts that state things like "It's likely to be here" "It's unlikely to be there" "it's pretty much impossible to be over there" ? These orbitals are "spread out" over a volume of space. In many cases the volume will involve multiple atoms. Hey, in a metal, the conduction band electrons involve the entire chunk of metal! That's why metals are conductors. Put that in your pot pipe and smoke it! > They are discrete entities. Show me a part of an electron! So now you believe that electrons are fundamental particles? Good. >That's what you are believing. >That's retarded. >Stop believing that. At least I don't have OCD that sees retarded precessing spinny things everywhere.
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