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| Started by | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2017-01-12 04:21 -0800 |
| Last post | 2017-01-19 09:52 -0800 |
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Electron-positron annihilation john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 04:21 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-12 16:00 +0000
Re: Electron-positron annihilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 10:03 -0600
Re: Electron-positron annihilation john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 08:09 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 10:15 -0600
Re: Electron-positron annihilation john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 08:19 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 08:58 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 17:50 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-19 21:15 -0500
re: er noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 21:28 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 14:06 -0600
Re: Electron-positron annihilation benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-13 17:36 -0500
re-diation has nothing to do with geometrical rays per se, but thugstyle103@gmail.com - 2017-01-13 17:46 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-12 17:36 -0500
bosons are bosonically thugstyle103@gmail.com - 2017-01-13 01:46 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 12:33 +0100
Re: Electron-positron annihilation john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 03:40 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-01-13 12:53 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-17 14:40 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-17 15:11 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-18 02:44 +0000
Re: Electron-positron annihilation john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-17 19:33 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-17 19:44 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-18 17:32 +0000
Re: Electron-positron annihilation john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 09:42 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 11:59 -0600
Re: Electron-positron annihilation john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 10:19 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 12:28 -0600
Re: Electron-positron annihilation john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 10:48 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 14:20 -0600
Re: Electron-positron annihilation john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 12:35 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 14:50 -0600
Re: Electron-positron annihilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 14:54 -0600
Re: Electron-positron annihilation john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 13:05 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 15:22 -0600
Re: Electron-positron annihilation john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 13:33 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 15:47 -0600
Re: Electron-positron annihilation john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 13:50 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 16:14 -0600
Re: Electron-positron annihilation john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 14:23 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 16:35 -0600
Re: Electron-positron annihilation john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 14:56 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 08:28 -0600
Re: Electron-positron annihilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-20 04:37 +0000
Re: Electron-positron annihilation edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-01-18 21:58 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 05:55 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 08:30 -0600
Re: Electron-positron annihilation john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 06:55 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 10:21 -0600
Re: Electron-positron annihilation edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-01-19 10:28 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-01-18 21:56 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-01-18 10:37 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 10:41 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 14:27 -0600
Re: Electron-positron annihilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 14:30 -0600
kappa = 1/diameter noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 13:35 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-01-18 10:34 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-18 18:43 +0000
Re: Electron-positron annihilation edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-01-18 10:27 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-17 19:36 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-18 17:16 +0000
Re: Electron-positron annihilation john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 09:31 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-18 18:36 +0000
Re: Electron-positron annihilation edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-01-18 10:13 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 15:37 -0600
Re: Electron-positron annihilation benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-13 17:35 -0500
Re: Electron-positron annihilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-12 17:03 +0000
1/3 = 1/pi noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 10:41 -0800
pith is at most a third thugstyle103@gmail.com - 2017-01-13 01:50 -0800
'rithmeticallyte noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-15 17:50 -0800
Re: Electron-positron annihilation edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-01-12 09:57 -0800
what ever (que sera noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 13:41 -0800
sera que) ever what noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 09:52 -0800
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-12 04:21 -0800 |
| Subject | Electron-positron annihilation |
| Message-ID | <823e0ac3-7e78-4137-bae9-a5c523d086df@googlegroups.com> |
When an electron and a positron annihilate to form two gamma photons, they don't 'become' photons- they already were. But instead of travelling in a straight line, they were travelling in a complete circle every cycle. The length of the wave has everything to do with being an electron
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-01-12 16:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o5897o$f1a$3@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #612684 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >When an electron and a positron >annihilate to form two gamma photons, >they don't 'become' photons- they already >were. Depending on the spin state, there may be 3 gammas. Antiparallel spin produces 2 gammas, parallel spin produces 3 gammas. Higher decay modes are possible (but relatively unlikely), antiparallel spin produces an even number, parallel spin produces an odd number. And photons don't have charge. >But instead of travelling in a straight line, >they were travelling in a complete circle >every cycle. >The length of the wave has everything >to do with being an electron I don't understand this babble.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-12 10:03 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <o589d4$4hn$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #612696 |
On 1/12/2017 10:00 AM, Michael Moroney wrote: > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: > >> When an electron and a positron >> annihilate to form two gamma photons, >> they don't 'become' photons- they already >> were. > > Depending on the spin state, there may be 3 gammas. Antiparallel spin produces > 2 gammas, parallel spin produces 3 gammas. Higher decay modes are possible > (but relatively unlikely), antiparallel spin produces an even number, parallel > spin produces an odd number. > > And photons don't have charge. > >> But instead of travelling in a straight line, >> they were travelling in a complete circle >> every cycle. >> The length of the wave has everything >> to do with being an electron > > I don't understand this babble. > For John, his postings fit into the category of "Far out, man. Wouldn't it be cool if...." Facts are irrelevant. Stuff that even third-graders know is irrelevant. These things suck the joy out of bullshit speculation.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-12 08:09 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <9700695d-f881-4f87-b7a2-110c19d252d5@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #612697 |
I know you guys spend zero effort actually trying to understand what's happening down there. I blame QM for telling you you can't
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-12 10:15 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <o58a2b$61e$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #612699 |
On 1/12/2017 10:09 AM, john wrote: > I know you guys spend zero effort > actually trying to understand what's > happening down there. > I blame QM for telling you you can't > John, somewhere sometime you read something in a comic book that quantum mechanics says that nothing is known at that scale, and that everything is random and nothing makes any sense. Since that fit in with your confusion, then this comic book blurb has fixed in your head. Never mind that it's nonsense bullshit. It's still fixed in your head, and so you can't shake it. What actually happens down there is actually pretty well understood. Not completely finished, but a whole lot better than just blank slate. Of course, you can't seem to get that understanding because it can't be presented to you on a single page using everyday words, which you think is a crime. But that's no reason to just lie about it, is it, John?
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-12 08:19 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <a120efcf-4cf9-4c94-9eb0-5cdb6bb2b5c2@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #612701 |
Odd " is a crime. But that's no reason to just lie about it, is it, John? " Oh, Ok Odd. Tell me, then, about how QM views the photons structure and how that structure predicts a circular polarity? That must have been in a different comic book
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-12 08:58 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <324b63b2-071b-4fe4-a05c-34148cb81d35@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #612702 |
Odd "" is a crime. But that's no reason to just lie about it, is it, John? " Oh, Ok Odd. Tell me, then, about how QM views the photons structure and how that structure predicts a circular polarity? That must have been in a different comic book " Please speak to me, Odd! Do you think a photon actually has a structure? If not, please explain how different things can be different without having internal structure?
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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-19 17:50 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <7ab41715-8e2b-4cbb-9eba-7d29d644feaf@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #612709 |
Poor John says Do you think a photon actually has a structure? If not, please explain how different things can be different without having internal structure? -------------- Many many ways. Different frequency is just one.
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2017-01-19 21:15 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <588172d5$0$43863$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #614211 |
On 1/19/2017 8:50 PM, HVAC wrote: > Poor John says > Do you think a photon actually > has a structure? > If not, please explain how different > things can be different without having > internal structure? > -------------- > > Many many ways. Different frequency is just one. > Good one. Now tell us how behavior doesn't need anything to do the behaving. OF course I remind everyone that HVAC already demonstrated that John knows WAY more science than HVAC. HardBlow can't even solve the simplest high school science problem. He's like Bert in that he knows nothing but thinks he deserves TWO Nobel prizes. Only HVAC is DUMBER than BERT! PROVED!
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-19 21:28 -0800 |
| Subject | re: er |
| Message-ID | <ae7e6444-a0c0-4158-9ad3-01ff7bd1916a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #614217 |
the secondpower of the speed of light, is the rate of growth of the wavefront, mod pi; big secret ... I only want three prizes! > > If not, please explain how different > > things can be different without having > > internal structure? > > -------------- > > > > Many many ways. Different frequency is just one. > Bert in that he knows nothing but thinks he deserves TWO Nobel prizes. > Only HVAC is DUMBER than BERT! PROVED!
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-13 14:06 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <o5bc0m$13hq$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #612702 |
On 1/12/2017 10:19 AM, john wrote: > Odd > " > is a crime. > > But that's no reason to just lie about it, is it, John? " > > Oh, Ok Odd. > Tell me, then, about how QM views > the photons structure and how > that structure predicts a circular polarity? > That must have been in a different comic book > Sure, John. Now, as you know, stuff like this can't be explained on one page in plain conversational English, so I'll be referring you to something to read that explains in the course of dozens of pages. Relativistic Quantum Mechanics and Field Theory, Franz Gross, starting around section 8.4 and onward. Now, tell me again how quantum mechanics has no explanation of what's going on down there and tells people to not even try.
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2017-01-13 17:36 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <58795686$0$10589$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #612950 |
On 1/13/2017 3:06 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 1/12/2017 10:19 AM, john wrote: >> Odd >> " >> is a crime. >> >> But that's no reason to just lie about it, is it, John? " >> >> Oh, Ok Odd. >> Tell me, then, about how QM views >> the photons structure and how >> that structure predicts a circular polarity? >> That must have been in a different comic book >> > > Sure, John. Now, as you know, stuff like this can't be explained on one > page in plain conversational English, so I'll be referring you to > something to read that explains in the course of dozens of pages. > > Relativistic Quantum Mechanics and Field Theory, Franz Gross, starting > around section 8.4 and onward. > > Now, tell me again how quantum mechanics has no explanation of what's > going on down there and tells people to not even try. Odd have you been looking at the moon again? I noticed it's still out there.
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| From | thugstyle103@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-01-13 17:46 -0800 |
| Subject | re-diation has nothing to do with geometrical rays per se, but |
| Message-ID | <d9a68b7c-ed95-42ad-af37-130388054a04@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #612950 |
KA-blammo > Relativistic Quantum Mechanics and Field Theory, Franz Gross, starting > around section 8.4 and onward. > > Now, tell me again how quantum mechanics has no explanation of what's > going on down there and tells people to not even try.
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2017-01-12 17:36 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <587804f5$0$10680$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #612701 |
On 1/12/2017 11:15 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 1/12/2017 10:09 AM, john wrote: >> I know you guys spend zero effort >> actually trying to understand what's >> happening down there. >> I blame QM for telling you you can't >> > > John, somewhere sometime you read something in a comic book that quantum > mechanics says that nothing is known at that scale, and that everything > is random and nothing makes any sense. Since that fit in with your > confusion, then this comic book blurb has fixed in your head. > > Never mind that it's nonsense bullshit. It's still fixed in your head, > and so you can't shake it. > > What actually happens down there is actually pretty well understood. Not > completely finished, but a whole lot better than just blank slate. Of > course, you can't seem to get that understanding because it can't be > presented to you on a single page using everyday words, which you think > is a crime. > > But that's no reason to just lie about it, is it, John? You are as usual just spewing a bunch of drooling blather. The comic books are Correct. Nothing is known on that scale. Bell says there are no "hidden variables". There is nothing knowable on that level. Furthermore Bell says that Einstein is wrong. Relativity is wrong. The moon is not there if nobody looks at it. That is the FACT of your text books. As for electron-positron interactions John has it right. An electron is a vortex in the aether in one direction, a positron is one in the opposite direction. When they interact the total motion cancels. But the energy stored in each vortex does NOT cancel and is released as vibrations (waves) being transmitted away in the medium known as the luminiferous aether. Yes, it's really that simple which is why you can't understand it.
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| From | thugstyle103@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-01-13 01:46 -0800 |
| Subject | bosons are bosonically |
| Message-ID | <0ead7dc3-50f5-405f-84e6-0a1a1d28ae45@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #612794 |
the waves are bosonically mod pi: a) circumferentially, b) areally > vibrations (waves) being transmitted away in the medium known as the > luminiferous aether. > > Yes, it's really that simple which is why you can't understand it.
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| From | Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-13 12:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <o5adrf$vig$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #612794 |
On 01/12/2017 11:36 PM, benj wrote: > As for electron-positron interactions John has it right. An electron is > a vortex in the aether in one direction, a positron is one in the > opposite direction. When they interact the total motion cancels. But the > energy stored in each vortex does NOT cancel and is released as > vibrations (waves) being transmitted away in the medium known as the > luminiferous aether. In the Alice wonderland -- Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer ) A wise man guards words he says, as they say about him more, than he says about the subject.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-13 03:40 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <47072855-1df8-471a-80c0-df6a0544bdc4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #612894 |
Pout "In the Alice wonderland " So- when electron-positron annihilate, the energy DOESNT travel away as radiation? It that what ur pouting?
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| From | edprochak@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-01-13 12:53 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <29805088-9157-4e20-855e-1620d9ca8eb4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #612895 |
On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 6:41:03 AM UTC-5, john wrote: > Pout > "In the Alice wonderland " > So- when electron-positron > annihilate, the energy DOESNT > travel away as radiation? > It that what ur pouting? he is saying your spinning vortex model of electrons is something from a dream land. So just go back to sleep John.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-17 14:40 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <b6192455-e393-4911-a934-01a7856788bc@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #612955 |
ed "he is saying your spinning vortex model of electrons is something from a dream land. " This is how electrons move http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/2electronorbital.GIF I use the same path for my Benzene model
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-17 15:11 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <606db63a-92d2-4809-bd2b-30a17832ac8a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #613670 |
This is the same orbital from 4 different angles- the top left being the one shown by the animation http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/1-2orbit.jpg (Sorry it's so dark- should have used yellow)
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