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  Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-12-23 12:42 -0500
    Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-12-23 10:21 -0800
      Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-12-23 11:19 -0800
    Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-23 18:59 +0000
      Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-12-23 11:05 -0800
        Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-12-23 18:30 -0500
          Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 09:49 -0800
            Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 13:22 -0800
              Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-12-28 16:04 -0800
        Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-24 16:22 +0000
          Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 16:24 -0800
            Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-25 15:26 +0000
              Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 11:13 -0800
                Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-26 02:17 +0000
                  Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 19:45 -0800
                    Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-26 05:31 +0000
                    Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 10:40 -0600
                      Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 09:12 -0800
                        Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 13:04 -0600
                      Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 09:26 -0800
                        Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 13:07 -0600
                          Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 12:33 -0800
                            Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 13:19 -0800
                              Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 22:28 -0600
                                Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 20:44 -0800
                                  Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-29 05:50 +0000
                                    Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 07:47 -0800
                                      Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-29 17:33 +0000
                                        Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 10:08 -0800
                                          Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-29 22:10 +0000
                                            spectra from waves of emmission & absorption noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 15:31 -0800
                                            Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 12:14 -0600
                                              Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 11:09 -0800
                                  Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 13:36 -0600
                                    Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 16:52 -0800
                                      Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-02 20:10 -0500
                                      Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-03 15:30 +0000
                                      Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 15:00 -0600
                                        Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 17:02 -0800
                                          Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 18:59 -0800
                                            Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-01-04 08:02 -0800
                                              Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 08:20 -0800
                                                Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-01-04 08:47 -0800
                                                Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 10:50 -0600
                                                  Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 09:17 -0800
                                                    Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 11:30 -0600
                                                    Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-01-05 06:34 -0800
                                                      Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 07:16 -0800
                                                        Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 10:17 -0600
                                                          Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 08:40 -0800
                                                            Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 07:08 -0600
                                                              of Antimatter bserveD noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 14:24 -0800
                                                        sorry, Dad noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 12:29 -0800
                                                          sorry, Dad john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 14:15 -0800
                                                        Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-01-07 19:03 -0800
                                                          Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 19:14 -0800
                                                            Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-08 06:59 +0000
                                                            Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-01-09 10:19 -0800
                                                          Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 11:27 -0800
                                                            Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 13:50 -0600
                                                Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-04 18:45 +0000
                                                  timewise noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 11:48 -0800
                                                  Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 13:14 -0800
                                                    tock noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 16:32 -0800
                                                    Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-05 04:10 +0000
                                            Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 10:28 -0600
                            Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-28 03:39 +0000
                              Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 06:01 -0800
                                Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 08:04 -0800
                                  Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-28 20:33 +0000
                                  Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 13:35 -0600
                                    Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 12:32 -0800
                                Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-28 16:28 +0000
                            Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 22:28 -0600
                              Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-12-29 00:36 -0500
                Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 10:39 -0600
          Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 18:51 -0800
            Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-25 15:23 +0000
        Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 10:34 -0600
      Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-12-23 12:43 -0800
        Re: Spectrum Of Antimatter Observed For First Time john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-12-23 14:04 -0800

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#610512

On 12/27/2016 11:26 AM, john wrote:
> Odd
> "On 12/25/2016 9:45 PM, john wrote:
>> The part where matter and antimatter
>> repel? Because they're opposites?
>
> The part where third graders learn that opposites attract, and where you
> say "Whatever" and then you repeat the statement that opposites repel?
> - show quoted text -"
>
> Odd, the topic is antimatter versus matter
> and whether they repel because of
> their opposite structural nature.
>
> We are not, and were not, talking about
> splitting either of those into two parts-
> arbitrarily deemed "positive", and "negative"-
> and whether or not those two parts are
> seriously influenced to come back together
> (pushed, pulled, whatever).
>

John, just as a reminder to you, the antiparticle to a charged particle 
always has opposite sign. A positron is the antiparticle to an electron, 
and it is positively charged while the electron is negatively charged. 
The antiproton is negatively charged, opposite to the positive charge on 
a proton.

As other kids learned in the third grade, and which you missed in the 
tenth grade, opposite charges attract. Always.


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#610517

Odd
"As other kids learned in the third grade, and which you missed in the 
tenth grade, opposite charges attract. Always. "

What are you talking about "charges" for?
I'm talking about ANTIMATTER versus MATTER.

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#610529

Odd
You always conflate things you big
conflater.
So- if matter-antimatter behaved
like charges, alike things would be
repelled by each other and the Earth
would fly apart.
You big joker.

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#610643

On 12/27/2016 3:19 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
> You always conflate things you big
> conflater.
> So- if matter-antimatter behaved
> like charges, alike things would be
> repelled by each other and the Earth
> would fly apart.

What like-charged things on earth would you think would repel each 
other? Go ahead, list the examples.

As I said, John, the DEFINITION of antimatter includes having a charge 
opposite to its matter counterpart. And as you know, opposites attract.

You're acting as though third grade science is a big, unbelievable 
surprise to you.

> You big joker.
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#610648

Odd are you deliberately stupid?
We're talking about neutral ANTIMATTER 
versus neutral matter.

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#610661

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd are you deliberately stupid?
>We're talking about neutral ANTIMATTER 
>versus neutral matter.

Except for all that plasma out there, of course.

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#610668

Michael chirped
.."..plasma...."
'A plasma is a hot ionized gas consisting of approximately equal numbers of positively charged ions and negatively charged electrons. The characteristics of plasmas are significantly different from those of ordinary neutral gases so that plasmas are considered a distinct "fourth state of matter."'

What has plasma to do with
whether neutral antimatter attracts
or repels neutral matter, Michael?

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#610732

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Michael chirped
>.."..plasma...."
>'A plasma is a hot ionized gas consisting of approximately equal numbers of=
> positively charged ions and negatively charged electrons. The characterist=
>ics of plasmas are significantly different from those of ordinary neutral g=
>ases so that plasmas are considered a distinct "fourth state of matter."'

>What has plasma to do with
>whether neutral antimatter attracts
>or repels neutral matter, Michael?

Because in a real galaxy, the not-neutral matter plasma would attract any
not-neutral antimatter plasma (if it existed) and BOOM!

"Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering kaboom!"
-Marvin the Martian

Now consider neutral matter/antimatter, to make you happy.  Matter has
electron clounds making up most of the space of atoms.  When these
electron clouds from two chunks of matter encounter each other, they repel
(like charges repel) and we see this as matter acting solid, or at least
not allowing matter to pass through matter.  Antimatter-antimatter would
be similar.  However, consider what would happen if a piece of matter
encountered antimatter. The electron cloud of the matter would ATTRACT the
positron cloud of antimatter and KABOOM! they'd annihilate.  Now you have
ions/bare nuclei of opposite charges, which also attract and KABOOM!!!

This, of course, ignores gravity, which always attracts.

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#610738

Michael
Everything goes "kaboom",
in your scenario.
Why hasn't it?

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#610782

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Michael
>Everything goes "kaboom",
>in your scenario.
>Why hasn't it?

Because there is (practically) no antimatter out there.

Why?

One of the big unsolved mysteries of physics.

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#610800 — spectra from waves of emmission & absorption

according to Alfven's laboratory-tested plasma physic,
half of Universe is antimatter, but
there are no waves of antimatter, since
waves pass through antimatter, just as they pass
through matter.

unfortunately, almost all physicists,
that I have ever read, are glued to the idea that
photons (or any wave-form at all) are bosons, and that
bosons are 0-dimensionalites

> Because there is (practically) no antimatter out there.
> 
> Why?
> 
> One of the big unsolved mysteries of physics.

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#611496

On 12/29/2016 4:10 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Michael
>> Everything goes "kaboom",
>> in your scenario.
>> Why hasn't it?
>
> Because there is (practically) no antimatter out there.
>
> Why?
>
> One of the big unsolved mysteries of physics.
>

I think I've read that the matter-antimatter imbalance is due to 
CP-violating terms in the KM matrix. Now, why there are CP-violating 
terms in the KM matrix, I agree that no good answer has emerged for that.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#611502

Everything that 'pops' onto our fractal
plane are these 'spin structures'
(okay?better than vortices?)
where there is enough energy for
creation of an electron/positron pair.
They split into-basically-half matter
and half antimatter.
This occurs at every level.

If you make entire galaxies out of
one or the other, then, what? All
their atoms and their atoms' atoms
are one or the other? No more
"popping"?

Oh, right, you deny any organization
smaller than some limit, or other,
right? Just before "points"? Or baby
blocks. Or whatever.

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#611343

On 12/28/2016 10:44 PM, john wrote:
> Odd are you deliberately stupid?
> We're talking about neutral ANTIMATTER
> versus neutral matter.
> O

Neutral matter is composed of charged protons and charged electrons.
If you have an antimatter hydrogen atom, it consists of an antiproton 
and a positron. If this comes anywhere near a matter hydrogen atom, the 
positron will annihilate with the electron, and the antiproton will 
annihilate with the proton. This is what produces gamma rays.

Oh, and in case you're thinking that the neutral anti-atom will somehow 
repel the neutral atom, no. No mechanism for that.


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#611399

Odd
"repel the neutral atom, no. No mechanism for that."

Unless you count Gravity.
But you think Gravity treats
antimatter and MATTER the same.
So- in spite of being opposite 
they "warp" Space the same.

Yes- I know you think that 

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#611405

On 1/2/2017 7:52 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
> "repel the neutral atom, no. No mechanism for that."
>
> Unless you count Gravity.
> But you think Gravity treats
> antimatter and MATTER the same.
> So- in spite of being opposite
> they "warp" Space the same.
>
> Yes- I know you think that
>
Tee hee. John show Odd the door...

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#611485

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>"repel the neutral atom, no. No mechanism for that."

>Unless you count Gravity.
>But you think Gravity treats
>antimatter and MATTER the same.
>So- in spite of being opposite 
>they "warp" Space the same.

Why wouldn't it? Both matter and antimatter have positive mass.

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#611527

On 1/2/2017 6:52 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
> "repel the neutral atom, no. No mechanism for that."
>
> Unless you count Gravity.
> But you think Gravity treats
> antimatter and MATTER the same.

Yes, it does. Because matter and antimatter are not opposite in all 
respects, just SOME. To determine which respects, all you need to do is 
google.

Isn't it amazing that you think that your CONCEPT of the word 
"antimatter" should tell you its properties? Like, "Whatever properties 
matter has, antimatter should have the opposite properties." REALLY, John?

Matter hydrogen has positive volume. Does this imply to you that 
antimatter hydrogen has negative volume?

> So- in spite of being opposite
> they "warp" Space the same.
>
> Yes- I know you think that
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#611600

just peruse the_big_bang_ne'er_happened by that student
of Alfven's at u.c.s.d (or was it Upasalla.u

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#611614

"Antimatter gravity could explain Universe's expansion - Phys.org
phys.org › Physics › General Physics
AMP - Apr 13, 2011 - For this reason, most physicists think that the gravitational behavior of antimatter should always be attractive, as it is for matter. ... As Villata explains, the current formulation of general relativity predicts that matter and antimatter are both self-attractive, yet matter and antimatter mutually repel each other."
Apparent,
everyone doesn't believe like Odd

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