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  Re: Leathal Doctors. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-11 03:59 +0000
    Re: Leathal Doctors. HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 05:16 -0700
      Re: Leathal Doctors. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-10-11 08:39 -0700
        Re: Leathal Doctors. HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 08:54 -0700
          Re: Leathal Doctors. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-10-11 09:34 -0700
            Re: Leathal Doctors. HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 10:04 -0700
              Re: Leathal Doctors. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-10-11 13:52 -0700
                Re: Leathal Doctors. HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 14:33 -0700
                Re: Leathal Doctors. THE STINGER - AKA 'KING OF AUK' <bzz.bzz.bzz@sting.sting.sting> - 2016-10-12 00:28 +0200
              Re: Leathal Doctors. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-11 20:58 -0500
            Re: Leathal Doctors. "Anon Y. Mouse" <nobody@home.invalid> - 2016-10-12 01:23 -0400
              Re: Leathal Doctors. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-10-12 08:50 -0700
          Re: Leathal Doctors. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-10-11 18:41 -0400
      Re: Leathal Doctors. "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 20:48 -0700
    Re: Leathal Doctors. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-11 08:27 -0500
    Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-11 14:20 +0000
      Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 07:51 -0700
        Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-11 15:35 +0000
          Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 15:16 -0700
            Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-11 23:14 +0000
              Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 17:33 -0700
                Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 17:39 -0700
                  Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-12 02:47 +0000
                    Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 20:29 -0700
                      Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-12 13:50 +0000
                        Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 07:08 -0700
                          Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 07:57 -0700
                            Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 08:17 -0700
                              Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 08:52 -0700
                                Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 09:56 -0700
                                  Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 11:29 -0700
                                    Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 01:20 -0700
                                  Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-10-13 20:16 -0400
                                    Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 19:50 -0700
                                Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-12 20:26 +0000
                                  Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 13:36 -0700
                                    Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-13 15:29 +0000
                                      Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 09:10 -0700
                                        Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-13 18:36 +0000
                                          Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 11:56 -0700
                                            Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 14:42 -0700
                                            Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-14 03:41 +0000
                                              Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 23:54 -0700
                                                Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-14 15:42 +0000
                                                  Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 09:17 -0700
                                                    Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 13:14 -0700
                                                      Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 11:07 -0500
                                                        Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 10:27 -0700
                                                        Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 10:30 -0700
                                                          Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 12:49 -0500
                                                            Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 11:04 -0700
                                                              Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 13:25 -0500
                Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-12 02:40 +0000

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#600499 — Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ).

Michael you're an idiot.
9 months is nothing.
If it's not working, you're 
screwing up somewhere.

I was getting worse again for awhile,
and finally, after about 6 months, I
figured it out- I was using Safflower oil
because it has all 6 fatty acids, but I
was using it to bake and fry and to
make popcorn. Unfortunately, it's
smoke point is too low for all of those,
so I was creating trans fats like
crazy.
Using Grapeseed oil fixed the problem.

But Dr Campbell, Dr Esselstyn, and
the Hypocrites Institute say not to
use processed oil at all.

So.

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#600500 — Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ).

So, Michael,
if someone eats everything bad all
their life,
and then they get Cancer,
and at that point going vegan
doesn't help them-
I'm not sure what your point was.

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#600514 — Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ).

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>So, Michael,
>if someone eats everything bad all
>their life,
>and then they get Cancer,
>and at that point going vegan
>doesn't help them-
>I'm not sure what your point was.

You kept telling us going vegan could cure cancer.  Heck, you even said
you could get Stephen Hawking out of his chair if he went vegan!

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#600524 — Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ).

Michael
He didn't, and he's still in his chair.

Read "The China Study"

You're a scientist 

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#600567 — Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ).

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Michael
>He didn't, and he's still in his chair.

Oh good grief. Some "evidence".

Do you really believe he could get out of his chair if he would only switch to a
100% plant-based diet?

The poor man has a genetic disorder.  Not caused by or cured by diet.
Besides, he is probably tube fed, 100% artificial "food", that couldn't
be called vegan or non-vegan, but whatever may be natural is probably
plant-derived.  He's not going to be chowing down on a steak.

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#600572 — Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ).

Michael Moroney
john <johnse...@gmail.com> writes: 

>Michael 
>He didn't, and he's still in his chair. 

Oh good grief. Some "evidence". 

Do you really believe he could get out of his chair if he would only switch to a 
100% plant-based diet? 

The poor man has a genetic disorder.  Not caused by or cured by diet. 
Besides, he is probably tube fed, 100% artificial "food", that couldn't 
be called vegan or non-vegan, but whatever may be natural is probably 
plant-derived.  He's not going to be chowing down on a steak. 
---------

I've been 'eating' through the PEG tube for a couple months now. One can hardly call the shit I put in the feeding pump food. It's a liquid that had all the essentials. Except it's not food. Whatever at least it's keeping me alive until my mouth/tongue/throat heal. 

I think it's soy based. It's gross

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#600575 — Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ).

HVAC
"--------- 

I've been 'eating' through the PEG tube for a couple months now. One can hardly call the shit I put in the feeding pump food. It's a liquid that had all the essentials. Except it's not food. Whatever at least it's keeping me alive until my mouth/tongue/throat heal. 
"
You're a hostage vegan til you
bounce back a bit.

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#600576 — Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ).

john
HVAC 
"--------- 

I've been 'eating' through the PEG tube for a couple months now. One can hardly call the shit I put in the feeding pump food. It's a liquid that had all the essentials. Except it's not food. Whatever at least it's keeping me alive until my mouth/tongue/throat heal. 
" 
You're a hostage vegan til you 
bounce back a bit. 
--------

Personally I have nothing against vegan. Except most vegans think they're better than everyone else.
My diet has been 80% vegan for years. I love almost all fruits and vegetables. Obviously if you eat too much red meat you'll have problems. Humans are evolved to be omnivores.

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#600579 — Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ).

HVAC
It's not about "being better".
There is a class of viruses
that access our cells using
saturated fats (my opinion).
Certainly, we can eat everything,
but if we do , these fats
are available to these viruses,
and IF WE GET THESE viruses,
at that point we need
to stop the availability of these
saturated fats.
Simple logic, no 'religion'.

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#600589 — Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ).

Again John, humans evolved to be omnivorous. We also are evolved to die about age 40-50. Why? Because evolution has caused us to reach the age where we have children and raise them to the age where THEY can have children. After that we are superfluous evolution. We're just eating their food and breathing their air.

It's cold. It's harsh. It's reality

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#600594 — Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ).

HVAC said
..."...harsh..."

Reminds me of that movie
where they killed you when
you turned 40 (or was it 30?).
tard

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#600822 — Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ).

On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 at 2:29:04 PM UTC-4, john wrote:
> HVAC said
> ..."...harsh..."
> 
> Reminds me of that movie
> where they killed you when
> you turned 40 (or was it 30?).
> tard

30. Logan's Run. 1976. Very interesting science fiction story.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Logan's+Run

-- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: d(me) != 0 ... me alwa(y)s changes...”

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#600799 — Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ).

On 10/12/2016 12:56 PM, HVAC wrote:
> Again John, humans evolved to be omnivorous. We also are evolved to
> die about age 40-50. Why? Because evolution has caused us to reach
> the age where we have children and raise them to the age where THEY
> can have children. After that we are superfluous evolution. We're
> just eating their food and breathing their air.

Not if we kill them!

> It's cold. It's harsh. It's reality

So it is in the animal world.

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#600810 — Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ).

Who else would shingle the roof,
get the bees out of the attic (and
the bats),
and pick them up on request?
And clean plates.

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#600619 — Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ).

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Simple logic, no 'religion'.

Yes, religion.

It is your OPINION that there is "a class of viruses that
access our cells using saturated fats (my opinion)."

No evidence or proof offered.  No logic.  That is not
science.  At least this time you admitted it was an
opinion.

>Certainly, we can eat everything,
>but if we do , these fats
>are available to these viruses,
>and IF WE GET THESE viruses,
>at that point we need
>to stop the availability of these
>saturated fats.

More non-science. Opinion, or religion, depending
on the strength of belief.

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#600620 — Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ).

MM
Opinion based on observation.
Naysayer
:)

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#600714 — Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ).

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>Opinion based on observation.
>Naysayer
>:)
>

Good scientific procedure!
NOT.

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#600717 — Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ).

john>Opinion based on observation. 
>Naysayer 
>:) 
> 

MM-Good scientific procedure! 
NOT. 

john- 
*Observation not a good tool for
Science, Mike?
How do you figure?*

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#600745 — Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ).

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>john>Opinion based on observation. 
>>Naysayer 
>>:) 
>> 

>MM-Good scientific procedure! 
>NOT. 

>john- 
>*Observation not a good tool for
>Science, Mike?
>How do you figure?*

It's only a short part.  You made an observation and immediately jumped
to a conclusion.

Science says Make Observation, create hypothesis (not conclusion), create
an experiment or test that will support or refute hypothesis, perform it
and observe results, adjust the hypothesis (or abandon it), repeat and
with proper results (including calculating and verifying errorbars)
you produce a theory.

So, do you know of scientific experiments that show veganism curing
cancer? If so, at a better rate than chemo/radiation/surgery?
It's just one data point, but it failed Steve Jobs.

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#600750 — Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ).

M
" of scientific experiments that show veganism curing 
cancer? If so, at a better rate than chemo/radiation/surgery?
It's just one data point, but it failed Steve Jobs. "

Have you read "The China Study"?
A huge natural experiment.

Mike, if Jobs are sirloin steak until he died,
and then attempting some kind of vegan
thing at the 11th hour didn't work,
you can hardly blame veganism.
That's like quitting smoking after
you get lung cancer and
saying that quitting smoking
is bad for you

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