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Vortices in the subfractal

Started byjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
First post2016-09-01 17:06 -0700
Last post2016-09-11 14:41 -0700
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  Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-01 17:06 -0700
    Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-02 01:56 +0000
      Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-01 21:26 -0700
        Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-01 21:48 -0700
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-02 04:44 -0700
            Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-02 13:46 +0000
              Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 07:47 -0700
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-02 07:02 -0700
            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-02 08:08 -0700
              Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-02 11:17 -0700
              Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 07:53 -0700
            Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 07:48 -0700
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 07:40 -0700
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 10:06 -0500
        Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-02 13:40 +0000
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-02 08:18 -0700
            Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-02 17:04 +0000
              Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-02 15:15 -0700
                Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-03 04:13 +0000
                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 03:30 -0700
                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 08:03 -0700
                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-04 03:14 +0000
                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 20:39 -0700
                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 10:03 -0700
                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-05 13:26 -0700
                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-05 15:34 -0700
                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 10:30 -0500
                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 07:56 -0700
                Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 10:28 -0500
              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 10:23 -0500
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-02 12:23 -0700
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 07:45 -0700
        Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 07:36 -0700
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-05 12:40 -0700
      Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 07:34 -0700
      Re: Vortices in the subfractal HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 08:49 -0700
        Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 09:31 -0700
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 09:59 -0700
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 11:07 -0700
            Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 11:34 -0700
            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 11:39 -0700
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 11:07 -0700
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-04 19:30 +0000
            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 12:34 -0700
            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 16:32 -0700
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-05 13:23 -0700
            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-05 15:47 -0700
              Re: Vortices in the subfractal "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-09-05 16:26 -0700
              Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-06 09:32 -0700
                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 11:24 -0700
                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-07 13:23 +0000
                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 06:33 -0700
                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 07:41 -0700
                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 10:29 -0500
                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 08:59 -0700
                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 11:02 -0500
                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 11:03 -0500
                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 09:30 -0700
                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 09:33 -0700
                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-07 10:44 -0700
                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 15:21 -0700
                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 09:15 -0500
                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 07:39 -0700
                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 08:07 -0700
                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 10:20 -0500
                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-08 17:23 +0000
                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-08 11:08 -0700
                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-08 15:11 +0000
                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 10:16 -0500
                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 08:22 -0700
                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 08:38 -0700
                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 11:57 -0500
                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 11:55 -0500
                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-08 11:06 -0700
                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 14:20 -0700
                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 16:30 -0500
                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 14:57 -0700
                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 07:32 -0500
                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-09 17:33 -0400
                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 16:57 -0500
                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-09 20:00 -0400
                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 18:18 -0500
                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-12 22:05 -0400
                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 21:15 -0500
                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-13 02:52 +0000
                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 19:24 -0400
                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-13 23:54 +0000
                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 08:15 -0500
                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-12 23:19 -0400
                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 09:07 -0500
                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 19:31 -0400
                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-13 23:59 +0000
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 21:48 -0400
                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-14 05:14 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-15 17:50 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-16 00:53 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-15 21:54 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-16 04:16 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 17:00 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-16 21:41 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 20:57 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-17 01:48 +0000
                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-14 07:00 -0700
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Sergoi <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-14 12:10 -0500
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 14:35 -0700
                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 15:47 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 08:30 -0500
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 00:56 -0400
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 08:46 -0700
                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-19 06:04 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 06:21 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 06:32 -0700
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                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 07:39 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 15:40 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:32 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:33 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 13:41 -0500
                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 09:26 -0500
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 00:09 -0400
                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 18:19 -0500
                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-12 22:07 -0400
                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 21:16 -0500
                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-12 23:25 -0400
                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 09:09 -0500
                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 19:33 -0400
                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 09:29 -0500
                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-13 09:33 -0700
                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 20:18 -0400
                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-14 07:24 -0700
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 00:46 -0400
                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-09 20:12 -0700
                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 21:04 -0700
                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-12 21:48 -0400
                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 21:05 -0500
                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-13 09:02 -0700
                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-08 22:11 +0000
                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 15:41 -0700
                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-08 19:55 -0400
                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 07:35 -0500
                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 05:46 -0700
                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-09 13:36 +0000
                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 08:46 -0500
                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 06:54 -0700
                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 09:33 -0500
                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-09 17:45 -0400
                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 17:05 -0500
                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 15:24 -0700
                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-09 22:51 +0000
                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 16:09 -0700
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-10 06:15 -0500
                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-10 07:08 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 18:22 -0500
                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-09-15 23:26 -0700
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-10 14:04 +0000
                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-10 06:14 -0500
                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-09 20:15 -0400
                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 18:05 -0500
                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 16:12 -0700
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 18:26 -0500
                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 16:46 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 20:06 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 03:04 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-12 10:01 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 10:14 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-12 18:03 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 13:24 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-09-12 11:37 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 11:56 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 11:59 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 15:34 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-12 15:15 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 18:17 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 20:30 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 18:43 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 21:02 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-13 02:13 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-13 02:09 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-12 23:38 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-13 04:40 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 07:19 -0700
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                                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-13 09:24 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 15:05 -0500
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                                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-14 05:15 +0000
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                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 23:45 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 14:05 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 13:08 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 15:36 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 14:16 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 07:56 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-14 06:47 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 20:04 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-14 07:06 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 00:22 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-15 12:55 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 06:18 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 08:45 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-15 14:31 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 08:23 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 10:43 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 08:58 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 09:48 -0700
                                                                                                                                    tautochrononology noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 10:03 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 12:32 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 10:57 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 11:01 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 14:10 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 12:15 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 16:01 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 14:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 12:32 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 02:25 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-16 07:00 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 11:58 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 23:43 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 19:46 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 10:47 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-13 09:19 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-12 22:11 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 21:19 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-12 23:29 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 09:12 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 19:38 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 09:54 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 10:11 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 23:50 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-16 06:30 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-13 09:10 -0700
                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-09-15 23:12 -0700
                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 07:12 -0500
                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 05:51 -0700
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 08:32 -0500
                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 06:36 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 06:44 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 08:53 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal "Tim BandTech.com" <timgolden@bandtechnology.com> - 2016-09-22 20:15 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 15:58 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 08:51 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 06:56 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 07:05 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 09:49 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 17:25 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 08:10 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 11:51 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 12:12 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 00:33 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 18:20 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 13:59 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-19 06:19 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 07:19 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 06:30 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 08:33 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 13:00 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 06:37 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 07:46 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-20 16:08 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 09:35 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-20 19:39 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 13:42 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 07:42 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 08:27 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-22 15:28 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 10:59 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-22 19:14 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 12:57 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-23 07:42 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 09:53 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 08:13 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 17:04 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 18:09 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 19:10 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-24 15:12 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 08:20 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 08:28 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal "Tim BandTech.com" <timgolden@bandtechnology.com> - 2016-09-24 08:57 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:25 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-24 19:08 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:52 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-24 23:47 +0000
                                                                                                                              sh*t *p or p*t *p noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 10:26 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 02:30 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 06:25 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 10:32 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 14:37 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 08:01 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 14:38 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-29 01:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-29 03:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 11:32 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-29 12:01 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 14:08 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 15:07 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 17:10 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 13:55 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 08:00 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-28 23:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-29 11:50 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:24 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-24 19:05 +0000
                                                                                                                    spins in zpinz noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 16:07 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:18 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 08:07 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 15:54 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 13:41 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 08:54 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 09:44 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 17:23 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 16:01 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 09:54 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 17:26 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 17:20 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 08:10 -0500
                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 17:18 -0400
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 08:42 -0500
                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 17:19 -0400
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 15:49 +0000
                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 17:14 -0400
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 08:10 -0500
                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 11:22 -0500
                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-09 10:38 -0700
                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 07:34 -0500
                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-09 06:35 -0700
                                                    the little sEEds in that guy noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 13:37 -0700
                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 13:07 -0700
                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-09-16 13:20 -0700
                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-08 09:03 -0700
                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 12:51 -0500
                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-07 18:57 +0000
                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 12:29 -0500
                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 10:40 -0700
                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 13:09 -0500
                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-07 10:30 -0700
                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-07 10:26 -0700
        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 13:42 -0500
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 16:44 -0700
            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 20:11 -0700
              Re: Vortices in the subfractal HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-09-05 07:33 -0700
              Re: Vortices in the subfractal HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-09-05 07:33 -0700
                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-05 08:15 -0700
                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-05 09:18 -0700
                Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-05 18:11 -0400
                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 12:41 -0700
    Re: Vortices in the subfractal Earle Jones27 <earle.jones@comcast.net> - 2016-09-09 22:49 -0700
      Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-10 14:08 +0000
        Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-10 07:43 -0700
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-10 21:09 +0000
            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-10 15:48 -0700
            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-10 15:56 -0700
              Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-10 23:56 +0000
                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 06:59 -0700
                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-12 00:31 +0000
        Re: Vortices in the subfractal noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 14:41 -0700

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#596627

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-11 18:19 -0500
Message-ID<nr4oqa$ohi$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#596431
On 9/9/2016 7:00 PM, benj wrote:
> So you are saying that now Schroedinger wavefunction solutions no longer
> represent probabilities of selection of eigenvalues? Somehow I don't
> think that has been discarded with age.

And the sentence you just stated is not accurate. So yes, it is wrong. 
Try again. Or try reading a book.



-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#596747

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2016-09-12 22:07 -0400
Message-ID<57d75f6d$0$1233$c3e8da3$1cbc7475@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#596627
On 9/11/2016 7:19 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 9/9/2016 7:00 PM, benj wrote:
>> So you are saying that now Schroedinger wavefunction solutions no longer
>> represent probabilities of selection of eigenvalues? Somehow I don't
>> think that has been discarded with age.
>
> And the sentence you just stated is not accurate. So yes, it is wrong.
> Try again. Or try reading a book.

If it please m'lord, perhaps if you explained just WHERE my statement is 
incorrect rather than simply pouting and saying everyone is "wrong" and 
they don't agree with what you've read. Tell us what you've read. Or are 
they just comic books? Methinks so.

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#596753

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-12 21:16 -0500
Message-ID<nr7nie$1ecb$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#596747
On 9/12/2016 9:07 PM, benj wrote:
> On 9/11/2016 7:19 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 9/9/2016 7:00 PM, benj wrote:
>>> So you are saying that now Schroedinger wavefunction solutions no longer
>>> represent probabilities of selection of eigenvalues? Somehow I don't
>>> think that has been discarded with age.
>>
>> And the sentence you just stated is not accurate. So yes, it is wrong.
>> Try again. Or try reading a book.
>
> If it please m'lord, perhaps if you explained just WHERE my statement is
> incorrect rather than simply pouting and saying everyone is "wrong" and
> they don't agree with what you've read. Tell us what you've read. Or are
> they just comic books? Methinks so.
>

Nope. Would you like a good book reference? Abbott's book on the Meaning 
of Quantum Mechanics would be a good start.

I'm not saying everyone's wrong. I'm saying YOU'RE wrong here, and that 
physicists are right.


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Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#596764

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2016-09-12 23:25 -0400
Message-ID<57d771cc$0$62116$b1db1813$2411a48f@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#596753
On 9/12/2016 10:16 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 9/12/2016 9:07 PM, benj wrote:
>> On 9/11/2016 7:19 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> On 9/9/2016 7:00 PM, benj wrote:
>>>> So you are saying that now Schroedinger wavefunction solutions no
>>>> longer
>>>> represent probabilities of selection of eigenvalues? Somehow I don't
>>>> think that has been discarded with age.
>>>
>>> And the sentence you just stated is not accurate. So yes, it is wrong.
>>> Try again. Or try reading a book.
>>
>> If it please m'lord, perhaps if you explained just WHERE my statement is
>> incorrect rather than simply pouting and saying everyone is "wrong" and
>> they don't agree with what you've read. Tell us what you've read. Or are
>> they just comic books? Methinks so.
>>
>
> Nope. Would you like a good book reference? Abbott's book on the Meaning
> of Quantum Mechanics would be a good start.
>
> I'm not saying everyone's wrong. I'm saying YOU'RE wrong here, and that
> physicists are right.


Tap dance! Why don't you take a years worth of graduate level physics in 
Quantum Mechanics like I have (from Mills not less of Wang and Mills 
fame)? You think you could pass? You think you could understand any of 
it? Do you think that because it was years ago that all of physics is 
now new and the "trinity" has a new description in your religion that 
everyone must now believe and worship? You are really a piece of work, 
Boinker.

I'm HERE! YOU TELL ME EXACTLY WHAT YOU FIND IN ERROR WITH WHAT I SAID.
You know you won't. I say you can't. I say all you know is propaganda 
that you can repeat as tell others to believe. When do you ask for the 
offering?

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#596800

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-13 09:09 -0500
Message-ID<nr91b5$1g8o$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#596764
On 9/12/2016 10:25 PM, benj wrote:
> On 9/12/2016 10:16 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 9/12/2016 9:07 PM, benj wrote:
>>> On 9/11/2016 7:19 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 9/9/2016 7:00 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>> So you are saying that now Schroedinger wavefunction solutions no
>>>>> longer
>>>>> represent probabilities of selection of eigenvalues? Somehow I don't
>>>>> think that has been discarded with age.
>>>>
>>>> And the sentence you just stated is not accurate. So yes, it is wrong.
>>>> Try again. Or try reading a book.
>>>
>>> If it please m'lord, perhaps if you explained just WHERE my statement is
>>> incorrect rather than simply pouting and saying everyone is "wrong" and
>>> they don't agree with what you've read. Tell us what you've read. Or are
>>> they just comic books? Methinks so.
>>>
>>
>> Nope. Would you like a good book reference? Abbott's book on the Meaning
>> of Quantum Mechanics would be a good start.
>>
>> I'm not saying everyone's wrong. I'm saying YOU'RE wrong here, and that
>> physicists are right.
>
>
> Tap dance! Why don't you take a years worth of graduate level physics in
> Quantum Mechanics like I have (from Mills not less of Wang and Mills
> fame)?

You took a year of graduate level quantum mechanics and you can't even 
remember the name of the collaborating duo? Maybe you don't remember 
what you were taught. What I'm telling you is what I've read recently.

> You think you could pass? You think you could understand any of
> it? Do you think that because it was years ago that all of physics is
> now new and the "trinity" has a new description in your religion that
> everyone must now believe and worship? You are really a piece of work,
> Boinker.
>
> I'm HERE! YOU TELL ME EXACTLY WHAT YOU FIND IN ERROR WITH WHAT I SAID.
> You know you won't. I say you can't. I say all you know is propaganda
> that you can repeat as tell others to believe. When do you ask for the
> offering?
>

Wavefunctions are not waves of probability. That's not even how they are 
defined.


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#596869

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2016-09-13 19:33 -0400
Message-ID<57d88cee$0$62105$b1db1813$2411a48f@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#596800
On 9/13/2016 10:09 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 9/12/2016 10:25 PM, benj wrote:
>> On 9/12/2016 10:16 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> On 9/12/2016 9:07 PM, benj wrote:
>>>> On 9/11/2016 7:19 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>> On 9/9/2016 7:00 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>> So you are saying that now Schroedinger wavefunction solutions no
>>>>>> longer
>>>>>> represent probabilities of selection of eigenvalues? Somehow I don't
>>>>>> think that has been discarded with age.
>>>>>
>>>>> And the sentence you just stated is not accurate. So yes, it is wrong.
>>>>> Try again. Or try reading a book.
>>>>
>>>> If it please m'lord, perhaps if you explained just WHERE my
>>>> statement is
>>>> incorrect rather than simply pouting and saying everyone is "wrong" and
>>>> they don't agree with what you've read. Tell us what you've read. Or
>>>> are
>>>> they just comic books? Methinks so.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nope. Would you like a good book reference? Abbott's book on the Meaning
>>> of Quantum Mechanics would be a good start.
>>>
>>> I'm not saying everyone's wrong. I'm saying YOU'RE wrong here, and that
>>> physicists are right.
>>
>>
>> Tap dance! Why don't you take a years worth of graduate level physics in
>> Quantum Mechanics like I have (from Mills not less of Wang and Mills
>> fame)?
>
> You took a year of graduate level quantum mechanics and you can't even
> remember the name of the collaborating duo? Maybe you don't remember
> what you were taught. What I'm telling you is what I've read recently.
>
>> You think you could pass? You think you could understand any of
>> it? Do you think that because it was years ago that all of physics is
>> now new and the "trinity" has a new description in your religion that
>> everyone must now believe and worship? You are really a piece of work,
>> Boinker.
>>
>> I'm HERE! YOU TELL ME EXACTLY WHAT YOU FIND IN ERROR WITH WHAT I SAID.
>> You know you won't. I say you can't. I say all you know is propaganda
>> that you can repeat as tell others to believe. When do you ask for the
>> offering?
>>
>
> Wavefunctions are not waves of probability. That's not even how they are
> defined.

Then what do they represent? Where is your famous ground state electron 
located? Can you tell me? No you can't. Can you take a guess. Yes you 
can. How do you do that? Just answer. No book titles please.

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#596930

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-14 09:29 -0500
Message-ID<nrbms1$f7g$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#596869
On 9/13/2016 6:33 PM, benj wrote:
> On 9/13/2016 10:09 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 9/12/2016 10:25 PM, benj wrote:
>>> On 9/12/2016 10:16 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 9/12/2016 9:07 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>> On 9/11/2016 7:19 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/9/2016 7:00 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>> So you are saying that now Schroedinger wavefunction solutions no
>>>>>>> longer
>>>>>>> represent probabilities of selection of eigenvalues? Somehow I don't
>>>>>>> think that has been discarded with age.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And the sentence you just stated is not accurate. So yes, it is
>>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>> Try again. Or try reading a book.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it please m'lord, perhaps if you explained just WHERE my
>>>>> statement is
>>>>> incorrect rather than simply pouting and saying everyone is "wrong"
>>>>> and
>>>>> they don't agree with what you've read. Tell us what you've read. Or
>>>>> are
>>>>> they just comic books? Methinks so.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope. Would you like a good book reference? Abbott's book on the
>>>> Meaning
>>>> of Quantum Mechanics would be a good start.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not saying everyone's wrong. I'm saying YOU'RE wrong here, and that
>>>> physicists are right.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tap dance! Why don't you take a years worth of graduate level physics in
>>> Quantum Mechanics like I have (from Mills not less of Wang and Mills
>>> fame)?
>>
>> You took a year of graduate level quantum mechanics and you can't even
>> remember the name of the collaborating duo? Maybe you don't remember
>> what you were taught. What I'm telling you is what I've read recently.
>>
>>> You think you could pass? You think you could understand any of
>>> it? Do you think that because it was years ago that all of physics is
>>> now new and the "trinity" has a new description in your religion that
>>> everyone must now believe and worship? You are really a piece of work,
>>> Boinker.
>>>
>>> I'm HERE! YOU TELL ME EXACTLY WHAT YOU FIND IN ERROR WITH WHAT I SAID.
>>> You know you won't. I say you can't. I say all you know is propaganda
>>> that you can repeat as tell others to believe. When do you ask for the
>>> offering?
>>>
>>
>> Wavefunctions are not waves of probability. That's not even how they are
>> defined.
>
> Then what do they represent? Where is your famous ground state electron
> located? Can you tell me? No you can't.

That's right. Position is not an inherent attribute of a bound electron. 
It's like asking what is the temperature of a single H2 molecule. Single 
molecules don't HAVE a temperature because temperature is a property 
only for statistical collections. So what's the problem with bound 
electrons not having position as a physically sensible variable.

So what?

Wavefunctions are still not waves of probability.

> Can you take a guess. Yes you
> can. How do you do that? Just answer. No book titles please.
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#596819

Fromedprochak@gmail.com
Date2016-09-13 09:33 -0700
Message-ID<d68dd7e6-bc46-4200-a12d-a59be89dd5f7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#596764
On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 11:26:09 PM UTC-4, benj wrote:
> On 9/12/2016 10:16 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > On 9/12/2016 9:07 PM, benj wrote:
> >> On 9/11/2016 7:19 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>> On 9/9/2016 7:00 PM, benj wrote:
> >>>> So you are saying that now Schroedinger wavefunction solutions no
> >>>> longer
> >>>> represent probabilities of selection of eigenvalues? Somehow I don't
> >>>> think that has been discarded with age.
> >>>
> >>> And the sentence you just stated is not accurate. So yes, it is wrong.
> >>> Try again. Or try reading a book.
> >>
> >> If it please m'lord, perhaps if you explained just WHERE my statement is
> >> incorrect rather than simply pouting and saying everyone is "wrong" and
> >> they don't agree with what you've read. Tell us what you've read. Or are
> >> they just comic books? Methinks so.
> >>
> >
> > Nope. Would you like a good book reference? Abbott's book on the Meaning
> > of Quantum Mechanics would be a good start.
> >
> > I'm not saying everyone's wrong. I'm saying YOU'RE wrong here, and that
> > physicists are right.
> 
> 
> Tap dance! Why don't you take a years worth of graduate level physics in 
> Quantum Mechanics like I have (from Mills not less of Wang and Mills 
> fame)? 

Um, isn't that supposed to be Yang and Mills?

> You think you could pass? You think you could understand any of 
> it? 
Did you pass?

> I'm HERE! YOU TELL ME EXACTLY WHAT YOU FIND IN ERROR WITH WHAT I SAID.
> You know you won't. I say you can't. I say all you know is propaganda 
> that you can repeat as tell others to believe. When do you ask for the 
> offering?

I told you in another post what you error is. You seem to confuse the
physical model with the physical reality.

 Your anger seems to suggest some unresolved issues.
I hope you are okay. Calm down and take a deep breath
before you make your next post.

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#596885

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2016-09-13 20:18 -0400
Message-ID<57d89745$0$47992$c3e8da3$aae71a0a@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#596819
On 9/13/2016 12:33 PM, edprochak@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 11:26:09 PM UTC-4, benj wrote:
>> On 9/12/2016 10:16 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> On 9/12/2016 9:07 PM, benj wrote:
>>>> On 9/11/2016 7:19 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>> On 9/9/2016 7:00 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>> So you are saying that now Schroedinger wavefunction solutions no
>>>>>> longer
>>>>>> represent probabilities of selection of eigenvalues? Somehow I don't
>>>>>> think that has been discarded with age.
>>>>>
>>>>> And the sentence you just stated is not accurate. So yes, it is wrong.
>>>>> Try again. Or try reading a book.
>>>>
>>>> If it please m'lord, perhaps if you explained just WHERE my statement is
>>>> incorrect rather than simply pouting and saying everyone is "wrong" and
>>>> they don't agree with what you've read. Tell us what you've read. Or are
>>>> they just comic books? Methinks so.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nope. Would you like a good book reference? Abbott's book on the Meaning
>>> of Quantum Mechanics would be a good start.
>>>
>>> I'm not saying everyone's wrong. I'm saying YOU'RE wrong here, and that
>>> physicists are right.
>>
>>
>> Tap dance! Why don't you take a years worth of graduate level physics in
>> Quantum Mechanics like I have (from Mills not less of Wang and Mills
>> fame)?
>
> Um, isn't that supposed to be Yang and Mills?
>
>> You think you could pass? You think you could understand any of
>> it?
> Did you pass?
>
>> I'm HERE! YOU TELL ME EXACTLY WHAT YOU FIND IN ERROR WITH WHAT I SAID.
>> You know you won't. I say you can't. I say all you know is propaganda
>> that you can repeat as tell others to believe. When do you ask for the
>> offering?
>
> I told you in another post what you error is. You seem to confuse the
> physical model with the physical reality.

Did not. You said waves of schroedinger do not relate to probability 
which is blatantly wrong as I pointed out in my post to you.

>  Your anger seems to suggest some unresolved issues.
> I hope you are okay. Calm down and take a deep breath
> before you make your next post.

Anger? Please list your credentials that allow you to make this 
psychological diagnosis? I'm sure you have none. I try to get you to get 
up off your lazy ass and actually discuss some issues for a change and 
all I get is senile drool. If you think that because I used caps to get 
your attention that I'm angry it just shows how incompetent you are. As 
I constantly told HVAC who tried forever to make me angry and failed: 
Pros don't get angry. I've had lots of experience dealing with the 
insane (with papers to prove it) and allowing them to make you angry 
(and they are VERY good at it) is the LAST thing you can allow to 
happen.  Got it?






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#596928

Fromedprochak@gmail.com
Date2016-09-14 07:24 -0700
Message-ID<79bb31f3-a0c2-435d-bdef-7a6c9dc1a54c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#596885
On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 8:18:16 PM UTC-4, benj wrote:
> On 9/13/2016 12:33 PM, edprochak@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 11:26:09 PM UTC-4, benj wrote:
[]
> >> Tap dance! Why don't you take a years worth of graduate level physics in
> >> Quantum Mechanics like I have (from Mills not less of Wang and Mills
> >> fame)?
> >
> > Um, isn't that supposed to be Yang and Mills?
> >
> >> You think you could pass? You think you could understand any of
> >> it?
> > Did you pass?

So benj, DID YOU PASS?

[]
> >  Your anger seems to suggest some unresolved issues.
> > I hope you are okay. Calm down and take a deep breath
> > before you make your next post.
> 
> Anger? Please list your credentials that allow you to make this 
> psychological diagnosis? I'm sure you have none.

never claimed to be a professional, just a concerned observer.

>        I try to get you to get 
> up off your lazy ass and actually discuss some issues for a change and 
> all I get is senile drool.

 I am discussing the issues.

>            If you think that because I used caps to get 
> your attention that I'm angry it just shows how incompetent you are. As 
> I constantly told HVAC who tried forever to make me angry and failed: 
> Pros don't get angry. I've had lots of experience dealing with the 
> insane (with papers to prove it) and allowing them to make you angry 
> (and they are VERY good at it) is the LAST thing you can allow to 
> happen.  Got it?

That's why I don usually SHOUT when dealing with you.
I am assuming you are not insane, but observing your posts I
must conclude that you are self centered and arrogant.

Let's get back to the physics then shall we?

If, as you and john claim, it is impossible for electrons
 to have zero size, then present some evidence to prove it.
Tell us of some report or measurement that shows the size.

You claim you want to speak rationally and logically.
 Then please do. Support your claim.

I'll summarize the understanding I have. The electron is
dimensionless to the extent that we can measure its size.
So if it does have a size, it is smaller the 1 plank length.
The equations of physics that deal with electrons treat it
as a point particle, and the results match experimental data
very well.

Your turn.

BTW, sorry but my typing is terrible when I am standing.
So within these postings I will not be getting off my ass.
But I assume you will not be getting off your ass here either.
:)


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#597014

Frombenj <nobody@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-15 00:46 -0400
Message-ID<57da279d$0$13165$c3e8da3$cc4fe22d@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#596928
On 09/14/2016 10:24 AM, edprochak@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 8:18:16 PM UTC-4, benj wrote:
>> On 9/13/2016 12:33 PM, edprochak@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 11:26:09 PM UTC-4, benj wrote:
> []
>>>> Tap dance! Why don't you take a years worth of graduate level physics in
>>>> Quantum Mechanics like I have (from Mills not less of Wang and Mills
>>>> fame)?
>>>
>>> Um, isn't that supposed to be Yang and Mills?
>>>
>>>> You think you could pass? You think you could understand any of
>>>> it?
>>> Did you pass?
>
> So benj, DID YOU PASS?

Of course. I never flunked any courses. Never became a believer with the 
faith that some developed, though. Only Libs and journalists flunk when 
they try to study science. You a lib or journalist?

You are right it's Yang. I got confuse with the popular calculator of 
the time. It's OK because I'm insane, a kook, senile, and a babbling, 
drooling ghost-hunter. Ask anyone. Ask me if "spin is in"!


> []
>>>   Your anger seems to suggest some unresolved issues.
>>> I hope you are okay. Calm down and take a deep breath
>>> before you make your next post.
>>
>> Anger? Please list your credentials that allow you to make this
>> psychological diagnosis? I'm sure you have none.
>
> never claimed to be a professional, just a concerned observer.

Bingo.

>>         I try to get you to get
>> up off your lazy ass and actually discuss some issues for a change and
>> all I get is senile drool.
>
>   I am discussing the issues.

Good for you. Now teach Odd to do the same. I noticed he is starting to 
improve though complaining loudly about it. For a minute there I thought 
you were Odd posting under another name. Of course this is the INTERNET 
where nothing is as it seems. One never really knows who is on the other 
keyboard, does one? But that's the fun of it!

>>             If you think that because I used caps to get
>> your attention that I'm angry it just shows how incompetent you are. As
>> I constantly told HVAC who tried forever to make me angry and failed:
>> Pros don't get angry. I've had lots of experience dealing with the
>> insane (with papers to prove it) and allowing them to make you angry
>> (and they are VERY good at it) is the LAST thing you can allow to
>> happen.  Got it?
>
> That's why I don usually SHOUT when dealing with you.
> I am assuming you are not insane, but observing your posts I
> must conclude that you are self centered and arrogant.
>
> Let's get back to the physics then shall we?

Good choice.

> If, as you and john claim, it is impossible for electrons
>   to have zero size, then present some evidence to prove it.
> Tell us of some report or measurement that shows the size.
>
> You claim you want to speak rationally and logically.
>   Then please do. Support your claim.

Thompson cross-section. Small but not zero. Nuff said.

> I'll summarize the understanding I have. The electron is
> dimensionless to the extent that we can measure its size.
> So if it does have a size, it is smaller the 1 plank length.
> The equations of physics that deal with electrons treat it
> as a point particle, and the results match experimental data
> very well.
>
> Your turn.

What's to say when you say it correctly? Point particle is a 
mathematical MODEL widely used. That makes it FANTASY. Measured electron 
is VERY small but not zero. Hence the correct term "point-like
particle". NO experiment is going to come up with "zero" as an 
electron's size. You know why this is. Hence to call it "dimensionless" 
by ascribing mathematical properties such as zero volume to it is a 
stretch beyond science. As John has pointed out: "nothing" by definition 
cannot have properties. Odd of course disagrees.

Your turn.

> BTW, sorry but my typing is terrible when I am standing.
> So within these postings I will not be getting off my ass.
> But I assume you will not be getting off your ass here either.
> :)

Actually usually I"m typing on a tall bar stool (for a variety of 
reasons). So I pretty much will stay on my ass, though I could easily 
type standing because of the height of the computer keyboard.

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#596467

Fromedprochak@gmail.com
Date2016-09-09 20:12 -0700
Message-ID<d5a426e7-901d-4460-879a-32b92523b775@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#596399
On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 5:33:14 PM UTC-4, benj wrote:
[]
> 
> Just so. Odd we are all still waiting for you to tell us what exactly is 
> the medium of "probability waves" and for that matter just what a 
> "probability wave" is. Until you do, your assertion that QM makes sense 
> is just kook blather.


benj and john 
What requires a probability wave to need a medium?
BTW, your opinion doesn't count. What rule or law of
physics?
Note: I do not understand it (aka it is senseless)
is not a rule of physics.

(Bet all I get back is a stream of insults  :)

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#596470

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-09 21:04 -0700
Message-ID<e9b5026f-e4b3-47c8-8269-464f54510bd0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#596467
Ed
You seem to have mathematics and physics 
mixed up.
Probability waves are drawn on a blackboard,
or portrayed on some display.
Water waves occur in actual water.

You're welcome.

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#596741

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2016-09-12 21:48 -0400
Message-ID<57d75af2$0$62035$b1db1813$2411a48f@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#596467
On 9/9/2016 11:12 PM, edprochak@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 5:33:14 PM UTC-4, benj wrote:
> []
>>
>> Just so. Odd we are all still waiting for you to tell us what exactly is
>> the medium of "probability waves" and for that matter just what a
>> "probability wave" is. Until you do, your assertion that QM makes sense
>> is just kook blather.
>
>
> benj and john
> What requires a probability wave to need a medium?
> BTW, your opinion doesn't count. What rule or law of
> physics?
> Note: I do not understand it (aka it is senseless)
> is not a rule of physics.
>
> (Bet all I get back is a stream of insults  :)
>
A wave is by definition a stress propagated in a medium. Presumably 
(although it seems like some kind of fantasy) probability waves are 
probabilities propagated though some medium. If there is no medium how 
can there be stresses and propagation? There can't. It's utter nonsense. 
This is like saying you can have pure behavior without anything that is 
doing the behaving. It's just babble.

Thus, what you have is NOT a wave at all but rather just a phenomena 
that obeys a wave equation. OK. But then we note that the solutions to 
said equation travel with time. But we can't interpret them that way 
because there is no medium to travel in. Hence we find the solutions of 
Schroedinger's equation are pure mathematics traveling in fantasy, only 
as real as Tinker Bell. These "solutions" have no relationship whatever 
to reality and only when squared and absolute values taken does it even 
relate to a GUESS as to what MIGHT happen.

To say that these are waves and need no medium is pure kook babble.

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#596746

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-12 21:05 -0500
Message-ID<nr7mu2$1dc8$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#596741
On 9/12/2016 8:48 PM, benj wrote:
> A wave is by definition a stress propagated in a medium.

Your own private definition doesn't count.
This is not the definition of waves as understood by physicists.
Formulating your own definition accomplishes nothing, especially when 
ego prompts you to declare that your definition is THE definition.

This would be similar to declaring that momentum is DEFINED to be mass 
times velocity, which would imply that light cannot possibly have any 
momentum, which is contrary to measured fact, thereby demonstrating the 
foolishness of the definition.

> Presumably
> (although it seems like some kind of fantasy) probability waves are
> probabilities propagated though some medium. If there is no medium how
> can there be stresses and propagation? There can't. It's utter nonsense.
> This is like saying you can have pure behavior without anything that is
> doing the behaving. It's just babble.
>
> Thus, what you have is NOT a wave at all but rather just a phenomena
> that obeys a wave equation. OK. But then we note that the solutions to
> said equation travel with time. But we can't interpret them that way
> because there is no medium to travel in. Hence we find the solutions of
> Schroedinger's equation are pure mathematics traveling in fantasy, only
> as real as Tinker Bell. These "solutions" have no relationship whatever
> to reality and only when squared and absolute values taken does it even
> relate to a GUESS as to what MIGHT happen.
>
> To say that these are waves and need no medium is pure kook babble.


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#596810

Fromedprochak@gmail.com
Date2016-09-13 09:02 -0700
Message-ID<7e575f95-149b-44eb-a06a-e08d966e3772@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#596741
On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:48:37 PM UTC-4, benj wrote:
> On 9/9/2016 11:12 PM, edprochak@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 5:33:14 PM UTC-4, benj wrote:
> > []
> >>
> >> Just so. Odd we are all still waiting for you to tell us what exactly is
> >> the medium of "probability waves" and for that matter just what a
> >> "probability wave" is. Until you do, your assertion that QM makes sense
> >> is just kook blather.
> >
> >
> > benj and john
> > What requires a probability wave to need a medium?
> > BTW, your opinion doesn't count. What rule or law of
> > physics?
> > Note: I do not understand it (aka it is senseless)
> > is not a rule of physics.
> >
> > (Bet all I get back is a stream of insults  :)
> >
> A wave is by definition a stress propagated in a medium.

That is one example of a wave.

> ..........Presumably 
> (although it seems like some kind of fantasy) probability waves are 
> probabilities propagated though some medium. If there is no medium how 
> can there be stresses and propagation? There can't. It's utter nonsense. 
> This is like saying you can have pure behavior without anything that is 
> doing the behaving. It's just babble.

What rule is that based upon? You are still arguing from false assumptions!

A sine wave is a mathematical model.  It requires no medium.
It models the sound of a flute quite well, but the motions of the
air molecules that actually carry the sound have traverse motion.

A probability wave requires no medium. You confuse the methods
of calculation with the physical reality. QM is a model.
It successfully calculates the behavior of materials at the
subatomic level.

> 
> Thus, what you have is NOT a wave at all but rather just a phenomena 
> that obeys a wave equation.

EXACTLY.

> ....  OK. But then we note that the solutions to 
> said equation travel with time. But we can't interpret them that way 
> because there is no medium to travel in. Hence we find the solutions of 
> Schroedinger's equation are pure mathematics traveling in fantasy, only 
> as real as Tinker Bell. These "solutions" have no relationship whatever 
> to reality and only when squared and absolute values taken does it even 
> relate to a GUESS as to what MIGHT happen.
> 
> To say that these are waves and need no medium is pure kook babble.

To say the equations "have no relationship whatever to reality"
is to fail to understand the nature of Physics.

By that argument Newton's laws have no relation to reality.

If that is your argument, then
 you and John clearly do not understand the nature of science.

ed

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#596322

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-09-08 22:11 +0000
Message-ID<nqsnmo$ge3$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#596312
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Ed said
>"
>So QM spin too small to see but you postulate the electron 
>is made of a vortex of even tinier particles than the electron 
>itself. 

>Just pick and choose your facts, just like other trolls. "

>QM "spin" is not like macroscopic spin.
>In fact, it's indescribable! 

No, it's not.  Just find a good book on the subject and READ.

>That kind of "fairy spin" only happens
>where you can't see it- according to QM-
>and you have to kind of IMAGINE it,
>along with a lot of VIRTUAL stuff and
>Magic WORMholes.

Kind of like all those stars and galaxies inside electrons?
"Fairy galaxies" full of "fairy stars"?

>In MY model- which is a true model

No, it's not.  A true physics model explains and accurately (within its limits)
describes what is happening.  With descriptions, math models relating things and
so forth.  All you have is animated GIFs of spinny things.

> in that
>it can be run in 3D- there are actual
>pathways that stuff follows, and the
>rules of Physics don't change.

Just violated.

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#596329

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-08 15:41 -0700
Message-ID<192dffde-8e87-4811-9295-9e97c28f2fa4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#596322
Michael,
QM is PROUD that it violates all the
rules

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#596338

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2016-09-08 19:55 -0400
Message-ID<57d1fa92$0$43735$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#596329
On 9/8/2016 6:41 PM, john wrote:
> Michael,
> QM is PROUD that it violates all the
> rules
>
Actually, John, QM violates NONE of the rules. The rules being the grand 
material metaparadigm of science. ALL science to be accepted by ODD MUST 
obey those rules. If those rules are not obeyed then it's pseudoscience, 
also known as unscience. You know, the kind of kook stuff everyone makes 
fun of here!

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#596364

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-09 07:35 -0500
Message-ID<nquaa3$1601$4@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#596338
On 9/8/2016 6:55 PM, benj wrote:
> On 9/8/2016 6:41 PM, john wrote:
>> Michael,
>> QM is PROUD that it violates all the
>> rules
>>
> Actually, John, QM violates NONE of the rules. The rules being the grand
> material metaparadigm of science. ALL science to be accepted by ODD MUST
> obey those rules. If those rules are not obeyed then it's pseudoscience,
> also known as unscience. You know, the kind of kook stuff everyone makes
> fun of here!

I'd be curious what you and John think these "rules" are that are being 
violated. Go ahead and list a few.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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