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Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes.

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First post2016-08-20 14:37 -0400
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  Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-08-20 14:37 -0400
    Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> - 2016-08-22 16:03 +0000
      Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-08-24 11:23 -0400
        Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 09:00 -0700
    Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-08-22 17:19 +0000
      Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-08-23 06:15 -0400
        Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-08-23 16:03 +0000
          Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-08-24 16:25 +0000
            Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-08-24 16:45 +0000
              Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-08-25 16:38 +0000
                Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-08-25 17:04 +0000
                  Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-08-26 19:02 +0000
                    Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-08-26 19:38 +0000
                    Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 13:59 -0700
                      Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-08-27 18:53 +0000
                        Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-08-27 12:58 -0700
                        Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-08-27 19:55 +0000
                Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 17:32 -0700
                  Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-08-26 18:54 +0000
                    Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-08-26 19:20 +0000
                    Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 13:56 -0700
                      Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-08-27 18:31 +0000
                        Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-08-27 19:59 +0000
                        Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-08-28 17:32 +0000
                Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2016-08-25 21:53 -0300
            Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 13:35 -0700
              Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-08-24 21:44 +0000
              Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 07:41 -0700
              Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-08-25 16:37 +0000
                Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-08-25 17:07 +0000
                  Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-08-26 18:31 +0000
                    Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-08-26 19:28 +0000
                      Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-08-27 16:26 +0000
                        Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-08-27 16:48 +0000
                Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 17:27 -0700
                  Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-08-26 18:44 +0000
                    Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 13:39 -0700
                      Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-08-27 18:06 +0000
                        Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-08-27 20:14 +0000
                    Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-08-26 21:29 +0000
                      Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-08-27 18:20 +0000
                        Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-08-27 20:24 +0000
        Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-08-24 11:27 -0400
      Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-08-24 11:25 -0400
        Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-08-24 16:08 +0000
    Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-22 13:38 -0500
    Re: Paper published on producing arbitrarily long nanotubes. Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-08-27 08:41 +0000

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#594876

FromDoc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com>
Date2016-08-27 18:20 +0000
Message-ID<npsll5$p29$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#594818
For your reference, records indicate that 
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

> Preflighting my airplane takes about 5 minutes.

You didn’t drive your airplane around town for days/weeks/months, 
though.  And what do you do if you find your car has taken some 
damage that made it unable/dangerous to fly?  A realistic world 
building exercise isn’t going to yield useful results if you can’t 
think past how you do things currently.

> There is no FAA paperwork unless you file a flight plan, and then that
> is automated.

Sure, sure.  The busywork is all ideally computerized.  But the point 
is that such a setup isn’t some sort of imagined “I just drive right 
to the airport runway and off I go.”  We’re a long way from anything 
*near* even that kind of SF fantasy.

> There are a lot of people who do not own a car; so what?
> 
> There are lots of people who do not own a motorcycle; so what?
> 
> There are lots of people who do not own an airplane; so what? 

Those are all the opposite of the ownership issue being discussed.  
Your motives are now clear.  I’m done with you.

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#594904

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-08-27 20:24 +0000
Message-ID<gh999d-7vk.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#594876
In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
> For your reference, records indicate that 
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>> Preflighting my airplane takes about 5 minutes.
> 
> You didn’t drive your airplane around town for days/weeks/months, 
> though.  And what do you do if you find your car has taken some 
> damage that made it unable/dangerous to fly?  A realistic world 
> building exercise isn’t going to yield useful results if you can’t 
> think past how you do things currently.

A preflight is a preflight.

If the machine is damaged you call your insurance agent.

> 
>> There is no FAA paperwork unless you file a flight plan, and then that
>> is automated.
> 
> Sure, sure.  The busywork is all ideally computerized.  But the point 
> is that such a setup isn’t some sort of imagined “I just drive right 
> to the airport runway and off I go.”  We’re a long way from anything 
> *near* even that kind of SF fantasy.

Only in your blindered view of the world.

The ability to drive to the airport runway and off you go has been
around for nearly a century now, whether you want to accept the reality
or not.

FYI, most personal flights do not require paperwork of any kind.

> 
>> There are a lot of people who do not own a car; so what?
>> 
>> There are lots of people who do not own a motorcycle; so what?
>> 
>> There are lots of people who do not own an airplane; so what? 
> 
> Those are all the opposite of the ownership issue being discussed.  
> Your motives are now clear.  I’m done with you.

Only in you narrow world view.

Just because something exists it does not mean everyone, or even a
significant fraction of everyone, will want it.

Your comment about motives is meaningless to me; I have no motives in
regard to flying cars, airplanes, cars, sailboats, bicycles,or any other
vehicle.
 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#594488

From"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com>
Date2016-08-24 11:27 -0400
Message-ID<npkec7$gpf$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#594303
I agree there. There has a recent announcement of a quad-copter style flying 
transport that is intended to be self-flying.

   Bob Clark



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Finally, nanotechnology can now fulfill its potential to revolutionize 
21st-century technology, from the space elevator, to private, orbital 
launchers, to 'flying cars'.
This crowdfunding campaign is to prove it:

Nanotech: from air to space.
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"Jeff Findley"  wrote in message 
news:MPG.3225ec6625cb825f9897db@news.eternal-september.org...

In article <5qor8d-mk5.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
says...
>
> In sci.physics Robert Clark <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com> wrote:
> > American Journal of Nanomaterials
> > Vol. 4, No. 2, 2016, pp 39-43. doi: 10.12691/ajn-4-2-2 | Research 
> > Article
> > From Nanoscale to Macroscale: Applications of Nanotechnology to 
> > Production
> > of Bulk Ultra-Strong Materials.
> > Robert Clark
> > Department of Mathematics, Widener University, Chester, United States
> > http://pubs.sciepub.com/ajn/4/2/2/index.html
> >
> > Next stop: the space elevator.
>
> Nope, the next stop would be ANYTHING practical.
>
> >  Bob Clark
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Finally, nanotechnology can now fulfill its potential to revolutionize
> > 21st-century technology, from the space elevator, to private, orbital
> > launchers, to 'flying cars'.
>
> The lack of flying cars has never been a materials problem. There have
> been lots of flying cars built.

For one, they're super expensive.  But, ignoring the expense for now...

The huge problem with flying cars in my mind is building one that's
simple for a "driver" to operate.  The masses aren't going to all get a
pilot's license.  Heck, most people on the road shouldn't even have a
driver's license based on how awful they drive and on how many wrecks
they cause.  Imagine them all flying cars right into each other!

To make this work, you'd need self-flying cars!

Jeff
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#594487

From"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com>
Date2016-08-24 11:25 -0400
Message-ID<npke95$gep$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#594193
Ok, I was engaging in a bit of hyperbole there. But even if these methods 
could produce arbitrarily long nanotubes at 1/10th the maximum measured 
nanotube strength, this would be a major change in materials science.

Bob Clark



----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Finally, nanotechnology can now fulfill its potential to revolutionize 
21st-century technology, from the space elevator, to private, orbital 
launchers, to 'flying cars'.
This crowdfunding campaign is to prove it:

Nanotech: from air to space.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/nanotech-from-air-to-space/x/13319568/
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
wrote in message news:5qor8d-mk5.ln1@mail.specsol.com...

In sci.physics Robert Clark <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com> wrote:
> American Journal of Nanomaterials
> Vol. 4, No. 2, 2016, pp 39-43. doi: 10.12691/ajn-4-2-2 | Research Article
> From Nanoscale to Macroscale: Applications of Nanotechnology to Production
> of Bulk Ultra-Strong Materials.
> Robert Clark
> Department of Mathematics, Widener University, Chester, United States
> http://pubs.sciepub.com/ajn/4/2/2/index.html
>
> Next stop: the space elevator.

Nope, the next stop would be ANYTHING practical.

>  Bob Clark
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Finally, nanotechnology can now fulfill its potential to revolutionize
> 21st-century technology, from the space elevator, to private, orbital
> launchers, to 'flying cars'.

The lack of flying cars has never been a materials problem. There have
been lots of flying cars built.


-- 
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#594492

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-08-24 16:08 +0000
Message-ID<ect09d-0bm.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#594487
In sci.physics Robert Clark <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com> wrote:
> Ok, I was engaging in a bit of hyperbole there. But even if these methods 
> could produce arbitrarily long nanotubes at 1/10th the maximum measured 
> nanotube strength, this would be a major change in materials science.
> 
> Bob Clark

Only in a few niche applications where weight and strength are competing
parameters.

For the vast majority of things there is no incentive to build them from
nanotubes.




> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Finally, nanotechnology can now fulfill its potential to revolutionize 
> 21st-century technology, from the space elevator, to private, orbital 
> launchers, to 'flying cars'.
> This crowdfunding campaign is to prove it:
> 
> Nanotech: from air to space.
> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/nanotech-from-air-to-space/x/13319568/
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> wrote in message news:5qor8d-mk5.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
> 
> In sci.physics Robert Clark <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com> wrote:
>> American Journal of Nanomaterials
>> Vol. 4, No. 2, 2016, pp 39-43. doi: 10.12691/ajn-4-2-2 | Research Article
>> From Nanoscale to Macroscale: Applications of Nanotechnology to Production
>> of Bulk Ultra-Strong Materials.
>> Robert Clark
>> Department of Mathematics, Widener University, Chester, United States
>> http://pubs.sciepub.com/ajn/4/2/2/index.html
>>
>> Next stop: the space elevator.
> 
> Nope, the next stop would be ANYTHING practical.
> 
>>  Bob Clark
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Finally, nanotechnology can now fulfill its potential to revolutionize
>> 21st-century technology, from the space elevator, to private, orbital
>> launchers, to 'flying cars'.
> 
> The lack of flying cars has never been a materials problem. There have
> been lots of flying cars built.
> 
> 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#594202

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2016-08-22 13:38 -0500
Message-ID<npfgrm$ika$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#593948
On 8/20/2016 1:37 PM, Robert Clark wrote:
> American Journal of Nanomaterials
> Vol. 4, No. 2, 2016, pp 39-43. doi: 10.12691/ajn-4-2-2 | Research Article
> From Nanoscale to Macroscale: Applications of Nanotechnology to
> Production of Bulk Ultra-Strong Materials.
> Robert Clark
> Department of Mathematics, Widener University, Chester, United States
> http://pubs.sciepub.com/ajn/4/2/2/index.html
>
> Next stop: the space elevator.
>

space elevator is a total joke,
	electric elevator? how much do the copper cables weigh ?
	Gasloine powered? how much gas and O2 weigh ?
	How does the astronough at the top, jump off into orbit ?
	how do you keep it from falling over ? Skyhook ?
	how do you keep it from wind blowing it over ?
	How much cement is needed for the base ?
	how many miles of guy wires ?

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#594853

FromThomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de>
Date2016-08-27 08:41 +0000
Message-ID<nprjom$5dm$1@newsreader4.netcologne.de>
In reply to#593948
Robert Clark <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> schrieb:

> From Nanoscale to Macroscale: Applications of Nanotechnology to Production 
> of Bulk Ultra-Strong Materials.

I've been involved in CNT application development a little bit myself.

Let's just say it is _very_ difficult to get from theoretical properties
to practical performance.

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