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| First post | 2016-08-18 17:19 -0700 |
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Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 17:19 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-19 07:45 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-19 22:48 +0000
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 16:48 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 07:56 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-08-19 12:25 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-08-20 14:12 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-19 23:11 -0400
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-20 06:14 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-20 10:17 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-21 19:08 +0200
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-24 01:44 +0200
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-08-22 23:36 -0700
Re: Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-23 04:38 -0400
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 07:06 -0500
Re: Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-24 02:15 -0400
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 07:39 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 05:57 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 09:02 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 08:01 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 10:53 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-27 19:25 +0000
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 08:07 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 08:37 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 11:40 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 13:09 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 13:27 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 15:57 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 16:36 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 07:54 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-26 05:25 +0200
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-28 07:26 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-28 11:09 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-27 19:35 +0000
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 11:18 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-27 19:33 +0000
Re: Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-08-24 12:12 -0700
Re: Re: Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-25 01:55 -0400
Re: Re: Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-25 08:21 +0200
Re: Re: Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 05:58 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 08:51 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 08:55 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 08:35 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 10:39 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 09:11 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 11:21 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 10:29 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 13:58 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-27 20:05 +0000
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-27 15:02 -0700
Re: Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-29 03:30 -0400
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-30 20:18 +0200
Re: Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-30 20:35 +0200
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-25 19:45 +0200
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 11:14 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 11:17 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 14:00 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-25 20:57 +0200
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 16:24 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-27 20:00 +0000
Re: Re: Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-08-25 11:42 -0700
Re: Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-08-23 10:31 -0700
Re: Re: Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-24 02:54 -0400
a krok is when noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 10:24 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-24 01:31 +0200
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 17:57 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 07:29 -0500
pre-Alfvenic notions of space\Universe noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 10:28 -0700
Re: pre-Alfvenic notions of space\Universe Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-24 21:20 +0200
could be simpler, ug ... ugh noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-08-29 11:21 -0700
Re: could be simpler, ug ... ugh Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-30 08:45 +0200
1/c is in units of seconds per second per secondpower meters ... regular tetragona were not hurt in the attempt noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-08-30 13:36 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 14:17 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter "Sergio" <invalid@example.com> - 2016-08-20 15:17 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-08-27 12:54 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-08-30 12:39 -0700
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-18 17:19 -0700 |
| Subject | Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter |
| Message-ID | <997806d5-4e6d-444c-a7d2-19d405bfbc76@googlegroups.com> |
For instance, in a perfectly-balanced, 10-arm structure, where opposites/ neighbors are always opposite, everything can be continually made to cancel, like so: http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/NeonAnimation.GIF
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-19 07:45 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <np6v1m$2fo$7@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #593758 |
On 8/18/2016 7:19 PM, john wrote: > For instance, in a perfectly-balanced, > 10-arm structure, where opposites/ neighbors > are always opposite, everything can > be continually made to cancel, > like so: > http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/NeonAnimation.GIF > I don't think you've ever attempted to explain galaxies with an odd number of spiral arms, or for that matter elliptical galaxies that have no arms. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-08-19 22:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <np82bt$5v1$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #593791 |
Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> writes: >On 8/18/2016 7:19 PM, john wrote: >> For instance, in a perfectly-balanced, >> 10-arm structure, where opposites/ neighbors >> are always opposite, everything can >> be continually made to cancel, >> like so: >> http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/NeonAnimation.GIF >> >I don't think you've ever attempted to explain galaxies with an odd >number of spiral arms, or for that matter elliptical galaxies that have >no arms. Nor how orbiting stars can move from an arm into inter-arm space and then into another arm as they orbit around the center, without annihilating. He'd rather just talk about precessing spinny things.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-24 16:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <673b01b9-a744-4b4f-86af-2cb6c277cee1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #593791 |
Odd said >I don't think you've ever attempted to explain galaxies with an odd number of spiral arms, or for that matter elliptical galaxies that have no arms. < This from Wiki: "Three-armed spiral galaxies Usually, most spiral galaxies contain two clearly defined spiral arms, or they contain only fuzzy filamentary spiral structures. Galaxies with three well-defined spiral arms are rare." The reason they are rare is because this would result in a neighbour of each kind in each side. So, similar arms combine into one.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 07:56 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <npmpts$1g3g$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #594588 |
On 8/24/2016 6:48 PM, john wrote: > Odd said >> I don't think you've ever attempted to explain galaxies with an odd > number of spiral arms, or for that matter elliptical galaxies that have > no arms. < > This from Wiki: > "Three-armed spiral galaxies > Usually, most spiral galaxies contain two clearly defined spiral arms, or they contain > only fuzzy filamentary spiral structures. Galaxies with three well-defined spiral arms are rare." > The reason they are rare is because > this would result in a neighbour of each > kind in each side. So, similar arms combine > into one. > And this fuzzy filamental spiral arm, where are the 1.022 MeV gamma rays spewing from it? After all, whatever it is, it has to be in contact with both matter and antimatter, according to you. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-19 12:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <306c1954-3784-4972-aab2-3f90af9f6ccc@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #593758 |
On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 5:19:45 PM UTC-7, john wrote: > For instance, in a perfectly-balanced, > 10-arm structure, where opposites/ neighbors > are always opposite, everything can > be continually made to cancel, > like so: > http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/NeonAnimation.GIF More likely matter galaxies balanced by antimatter galaxies. Double-A
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| From | "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-20 14:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55ce1310-d765-4c3f-b004-f6245e6a0657@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #593829 |
On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 12:25:10 PM UTC-7, Double-A wrote: > On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 5:19:45 PM UTC-7, john wrote: > > For instance, in a perfectly-balanced, > > 10-arm structure, where opposites/ neighbors > > are always opposite, everything can > > be continually made to cancel, > > like so: > > http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/NeonAnimation.GIF > > > More likely matter galaxies balanced by antimatter galaxies. > > Double-A Better yet Half of all universes are anti-mATER.Such as ours is negative.Trebs is positive,and thus its all photons if we ever meet.Could we call are meeting "BIG BANG" Bang sounds loud,but reality is it do't make a sound. TreBert
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| From | Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2016-08-19 23:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <miifrbhj4cjgm001gcm51fgog34faj8to9@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #593758 |
On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 17:19:41 -0700 (PDT), john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: >For instance, in a perfectly-balanced, >10-arm structure, where opposites/ neighbors >are always opposite, everything can >be continually made to cancel, >like so: >http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/NeonAnimation.GIF I believe atoms are half matter and half antimatter. --------------------------------------------------- Michael J. Strickland Reston, VA ---------------------------------------------------
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-20 06:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <284f556d-c775-4f5d-954e-ab0e4bf4fe44@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #593897 |
Odd said "I don't think you've ever attempted to explain galaxies with an odd number of spiral arms, or for that matter elliptical galaxies that have no arms. " Obviously, this is important. So, imagine a circle of girls and boys. Every girl has a boy on each side of her. Oh oh. There is one too many girls. What happens? The girls stick together. So- since when I talk about galaxies, I also talk about atoms- SHOULD THERE BE DOUBLED ELECTRONS? Should there be up or down electrons that have been paired in an atom and have gotten stuck together? And there should be galactic arms in two-arm galaxies that appear twice as large as their partner.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-20 10:17 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <np9sat$fe6$7@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #593934 |
On 8/20/2016 8:14 AM, john wrote: > Odd said > "I don't think you've ever attempted to explain galaxies with an odd > number of spiral arms, or for that matter elliptical galaxies that have > no arms. " > > Obviously, this is important. > So, imagine a circle of girls and boys. > Every girl has a boy on each side > of her. Oh oh. There is one too many > girls. > What happens? > The girls stick together. In this circle of boys and girls, do their hands touch? Because the arms of galaxies touch. If boys were matter and girls were antimatter, when their hands touched, you'd see 1.022 MeV gamma rays. A lot of the. So where the alternating galactic arms touch, where are those gamma rays? > > So- since when I talk about galaxies, > I also talk about atoms- > SHOULD THERE BE DOUBLED ELECTRONS? > Should there be up or down electrons > that have been paired in an atom > and have gotten stuck together? > And there should be galactic > arms in two-arm galaxies > that appear twice as large as their > partner. > And do you see that? -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2016-08-21 19:08 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <7068341.5F1ok8tQ4I@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #593897 |
Michael J. Strickland wrote: > I believe atoms are half matter and half antimatter. The record shows that you believe a lot of things that are nonsense, this one making no exception. It is nonsense because if it were true, atoms would not exist, and you, being built from atoms, would not exist. For it is well-known (i.e. experimentally confirmed countless times) that matter and anti-matter annihilate each other. A common application of that knowledge is Positron Emission Tomography in medicine, where the positrons (anti-electrons) emitted by atomic nuclei of a radioactive isotope (like fluorine-18) brought into the patient’s body annihilate (by swallowing it or by injection) with the electrons of the atoms of the patient’s body, producing (at least) pairs of photons which can be detected: e⁻ + e⁺ → γ + γ (+ …) So you should sincerely hope that the atoms of your body are not “half matter and half antimatter” the next time you need a PET scan. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron_emission_tomography> -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2016-08-24 01:44 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <11598021.uLZWGnKmhe@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #594041 |
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > A common application of that knowledge is Positron Emission Tomography in > medicine, where the positrons (anti-electrons) emitted by atomic nuclei of > a radioactive isotope (like fluorine-18) brought into the patient’s body > annihilate (by swallowing it or by injection) with the electrons of the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > atoms of the patient’s body, producing (at least) pairs of photons which > can be detected: […] In order not to be misunderstood: Should have been “[…] the positrons emitted by […] a radioactive isotope brought into the patient’s body (by swallowing it or by injection) annihilate with the electrons […] of the patient’s body […]” to mean “[…] the positrons […] annihilate with the electrons […]”. -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | edprochak@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-08-22 23:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1d351efa-8f52-4b42-915d-851e9b772220@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #593897 |
On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 11:11:49 PM UTC-4, Michael Strickland wrote: [] > > I believe atoms are half matter and half antimatter. > Then you are in the wrong group. sci.physics is not about believing. Try talk.religion
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| From | Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2016-08-23 04:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <lg2orbpf512nohb15lgp96u7hc81g2evv4@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #594291 |
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 23:36:39 -0700 (PDT), edprochak@gmail.com wrote: >On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 11:11:49 PM UTC-4, Michael Strickland wrote: >[] >> >> I believe atoms are half matter and half antimatter. >> > >Then you are in the wrong group. >sci.physics is not about believing. >Try talk.religion So do you believe in the "faster than light" inflationary era where anti-matter was "magically" left out of the distribution? sci.physics is, in fact, all about "believing." What you claim to know is merely what you "believe" based on what yo have heard. It is no more reliable than the "flat earth" theory was back in antiquity. You just "believe" you have reliable information when in fact you do not know how reliable or unreliable it is. --------------------------------------------------- Michael J. Strickland Reston, VA ---------------------------------------------------
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-23 07:06 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nphe7q$17l9$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #594295 |
On 8/23/2016 3:38 AM, Michael J. Strickland wrote: > So do you believe in the "faster than light" inflationary era where > anti-matter was "magically" left out of the distribution? > > sci.physics is, in fact, all about "believing." What you claim to know > is merely what you "believe" based on what yo have heard. It is no > more reliable than the "flat earth" theory was back in antiquity. You > just "believe" you have reliable information when in fact you do not > know how reliable or unreliable it is. > > > --------------------------------------------------- > Michael J. Strickland Reston, VA > --------------------------------------------------- First of all, the matter-antimatter balance seems to be accounted for by observed CP-violation. So there is no "magic" involved. Secondly, while you may be relying on trust to determine what or whom to believe, I don't think that is by any stretch universal in sci.physics. What drives what physicists believe is experimental data, under the presumption that nature does not lie about itself. Those who want more substance to decide what to believe only have to look up the papers where there is ample documentation of the experimental data actually obtained and the methods used to analyze it to come to the conclusions that they did. This is precisely how you SHOULD determine whether a conclusion is reliable or not. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2016-08-24 02:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <09eqrbtcs1sank4nt51t3fti9toaf45q78@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #594308 |
On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 07:06:19 -0500, Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote: >On 8/23/2016 3:38 AM, Michael J. Strickland wrote: >> So do you believe in the "faster than light" inflationary era where >> anti-matter was "magically" left out of the distribution? >> >> sci.physics is, in fact, all about "believing." What you claim to know >> is merely what you "believe" based on what yo have heard. It is no >> more reliable than the "flat earth" theory was back in antiquity. You >> just "believe" you have reliable information when in fact you do not >> know how reliable or unreliable it is. >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> Michael J. Strickland Reston, VA >> --------------------------------------------------- > >First of all, the matter-antimatter balance seems to be accounted for by >observed CP-violation. So there is no "magic" involved. > >Secondly, while you may be relying on trust to determine what or whom to >believe, I don't think that is by any stretch universal in sci.physics. >What drives what physicists believe is experimental data, under the >presumption that nature does not lie about itself. Those who want more >substance to decide what to believe only have to look up the papers >where there is ample documentation of the experimental data actually >obtained and the methods used to analyze it to come to the conclusions >that they did. This is precisely how you SHOULD determine whether a >conclusion is reliable or not. Or maybe you could just think for yourself instead of regurgitating what you have been told by the "party line" physics community. That's another tried and true method of determining what to believe. After all, I'm sure there were plenty of data, "papers", and theories claiming the earth was flat back when that was the "consensus." The original definition of anti-matter was same mass, opposite charge (Dirac's prediction and Anderson's discovery) before "parity" was added to the "zoo" of particle characteristics to account for experimental results that conflicted with predicted ones. --------------------------------------------------- Michael J. Strickland Reston, VA ---------------------------------------------------
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-24 07:39 -0500 |
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On 8/24/2016 1:15 AM, Michael J. Strickland wrote: > On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 07:06:19 -0500, Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> On 8/23/2016 3:38 AM, Michael J. Strickland wrote: >>> So do you believe in the "faster than light" inflationary era where >>> anti-matter was "magically" left out of the distribution? >>> >>> sci.physics is, in fact, all about "believing." What you claim to know >>> is merely what you "believe" based on what yo have heard. It is no >>> more reliable than the "flat earth" theory was back in antiquity. You >>> just "believe" you have reliable information when in fact you do not >>> know how reliable or unreliable it is. >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> Michael J. Strickland Reston, VA >>> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> First of all, the matter-antimatter balance seems to be accounted for by >> observed CP-violation. So there is no "magic" involved. >> >> Secondly, while you may be relying on trust to determine what or whom to >> believe, I don't think that is by any stretch universal in sci.physics. >> What drives what physicists believe is experimental data, under the >> presumption that nature does not lie about itself. Those who want more >> substance to decide what to believe only have to look up the papers >> where there is ample documentation of the experimental data actually >> obtained and the methods used to analyze it to come to the conclusions >> that they did. This is precisely how you SHOULD determine whether a >> conclusion is reliable or not. > > Or maybe you could just think for yourself instead of regurgitating > what you have been told by the "party line" physics community. That's > another tried and true method of determining what to believe. > > After all, I'm sure there were plenty of data, "papers", and theories > claiming the earth was flat back when that was the "consensus." > > The original definition of anti-matter was same mass, opposite charge > (Dirac's prediction and Anderson's discovery) before "parity" was > added to the "zoo" of particle characteristics to account for > experimental results that conflicted with predicted ones. > > --------------------------------------------------- > Michael J. Strickland Reston, VA > --------------------------------------------------- > Just a small handful of comments here. So you don't buy the "party line" about CP-violation and its role in the balance of matter and antimatter. And as a result, you then say (as a result of "thinking for yourself") that the only available explanation is magic? Secondly, experimental data is not "consensus". It is nature telling us how she behaves when we measure it. If you think that measurement is a political move in the scientific community, then I'm guessing you just don't buy the scientific method in the first place. In which case, why are you here? Third, it is completely true that the original meaning of antimatter was oversimplified. So what's your point? -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-24 05:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <da534c47-cadc-4d19-9937-cbeacfb99de3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #594478 |
Odd Really? Observation equals understanding? You and pointy head are SO FULL of yourselves
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-24 09:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <npk9dr$1k0p$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #594479 |
On 8/24/2016 7:57 AM, john wrote: > Odd > Really? > Observation equals understanding? I didn't say that. John, do you know what role observation plays in the scientific method? Hint: Observation does not equal the scientific method. Hint: Science without observation as a critical ingredient is not science. Do you even KNOW what the scientific method is? Can you look it up in wikipedia maybe? > You and pointy head > are SO FULL of yourselves > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-24 08:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a68b17de-58fb-4b43-9abe-507a3d59f2e2@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #594481 |
Odd said "Hint: Science without observation as a critical ingredient is not science. Do you even KNOW what the scientific method is? Can you look it up in wikipedia maybe? " No. You tell me why it's infallible, again. Hint: fundamental
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