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| Started by | mapou001@gmail.com |
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| First post | 2016-08-02 00:03 -0700 |
| Last post | 2016-08-05 18:25 -0700 |
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Fight the LIGO fraud. Sign this Petition mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-08-02 00:03 -0700
Misconceptions about LIGO (was: Fight the LIGO fraud. Sign this Petition) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-02 12:40 +0200
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-02 12:58 +0200
Misconceptions about LIGO (was: Fight the LIGO fraud. Sign this Petition) jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-08-02 04:09 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-02 14:32 +0200
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-08-03 01:48 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 07:51 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-08-04 08:36 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-04 11:20 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-08-05 01:08 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 08:04 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-04 20:48 +0200
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-04 12:30 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-04 14:13 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-04 22:04 +0000
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 07:30 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 06:00 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 08:11 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 06:15 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 11:27 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-05 16:22 -0400
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 15:42 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-05 19:31 -0400
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 17:30 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-05 22:21 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 23:05 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-06 17:32 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-07 13:31 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-08 18:22 -0400
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 16:47 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-06 17:31 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-05 22:20 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-06 10:21 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-06 10:39 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 10:37 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 13:20 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 13:25 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 11:48 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-05 20:48 +0200
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 11:55 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 15:15 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 15:09 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-05 16:26 -0400
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 15:45 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 15:32 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-07 13:32 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-07 13:57 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-07 14:17 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-08 18:37 -0400
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-08 18:24 -0400
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-05 19:35 -0400
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-07 13:32 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-08-05 01:42 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-08-04 23:21 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO (was: Fight the LIGO fraud. Sign this Petition) poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-08-04 23:16 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 07:04 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO (was: Fight the LIGO fraud. Sign this Petition) mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-08-02 10:35 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-03 21:32 +0200
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 13:16 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 17:06 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-08-03 15:39 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 21:25 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 21:29 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-04 07:58 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-04 06:07 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-04 08:20 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-04 06:48 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-04 07:16 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-04 14:51 +0000
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-04 09:08 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-04 16:39 +0000
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 07:20 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-08-04 23:28 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-08-05 05:26 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-04 11:14 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-08-04 23:23 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-05 20:49 +0200
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 07:02 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 05:12 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 12:50 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 15:28 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 19:35 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 20:55 -0700
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 10:45 -0500
Re: Misconceptions about LIGO LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 12:21 -0700
Re: Fight the LIGO fraud. Sign this Petition "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-08-02 11:10 -0700
Re: Fight the LIGO fraud. Sign this Petition john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-02 11:21 -0700
Re: Fight the LIGO fraud. Sign this Petition poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-08-04 23:12 -0700
Re: Fight the LIGO fraud. Sign this Petition Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 07:31 -0500
Re: Fight the LIGO fraud. Sign this Petition "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 18:25 -0700
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| From | mapou001@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-08-03 15:39 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Misconceptions about LIGO |
| Message-ID | <f36682a9-650c-4914-aa89-91ecb1908f6e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #591780 |
On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 3:06:14 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: >[crap] The shit will not only hit the fan on the LIGO fraud but Einstein's "entire castle in the air" (as he himself called it) and a huge portion of quantum physics and Big Bang crackpot astronomy will come crashing down like cardboard shithouses in a typhoon. It will happen in your lifetimes. Wait for it. ahahahaha...AHAHAHAHA...ahahahaha...
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-03 21:25 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Misconceptions about LIGO |
| Message-ID | <nnu929$1m7f$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #591789 |
On 8/3/2016 5:39 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 3:06:14 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> [crap] > > The shit will not only hit the fan on the LIGO fraud but Einstein's > "entire castle in the air" (as he himself called it) and a huge portion > of quantum physics and Big Bang crackpot astronomy will come crashing > down like cardboard shithouses in a typhoon. It will happen in your > lifetimes. Wait for it. So I'm calling your bluff. Want to place a bet? It has to "come crashing down" in YOUR lifetime so you're still alive to collect on your bet. > > ahahahaha...AHAHAHAHA...ahahahaha... > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-03 21:29 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Misconceptions about LIGO |
| Message-ID | <8efb9968-fe7e-46d2-9e37-bd40e356fffc@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #591819 |
On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 7:25:22 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 8/3/2016 5:39 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: > > On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 3:06:14 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> [crap] > > > > The shit will not only hit the fan on the LIGO fraud but Einstein's > > "entire castle in the air" (as he himself called it) and a huge portion > > of quantum physics and Big Bang crackpot astronomy will come crashing > > down like cardboard shithouses in a typhoon. It will happen in your > > lifetimes. Wait for it. > > So I'm calling your bluff. Want to place a bet? It has to "come crashing > down" in YOUR lifetime so you're still alive to collect on your bet. Take your bet and pack it up your ass, jackass. ahahahaha...AHAHAHAHA...ahahahaha...
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 07:58 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Misconceptions about LIGO |
| Message-ID | <nnve5n$16sh$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #591821 |
On 8/3/2016 11:29 PM, LIGO Fraud Investigator wrote: > On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 7:25:22 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 8/3/2016 5:39 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 3:06:14 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> [crap] >>> >>> The shit will not only hit the fan on the LIGO fraud but Einstein's >>> "entire castle in the air" (as he himself called it) and a huge portion >>> of quantum physics and Big Bang crackpot astronomy will come crashing >>> down like cardboard shithouses in a typhoon. It will happen in your >>> lifetimes. Wait for it. >> >> So I'm calling your bluff. Want to place a bet? It has to "come crashing >> down" in YOUR lifetime so you're still alive to collect on your bet. > > Take your bet and pack it up your ass, jackass. Aha, so you ARE a chickenshit. A lot of noise, but no confidence in your own blusterings. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 06:07 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Misconceptions about LIGO |
| Message-ID | <c24d7b76-4618-4b92-a750-54ff98d59168@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #591860 |
Haha. Odd and Thomas BOTH believe in "gravitational waves". Two 'tards in a pod
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 08:20 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Misconceptions about LIGO |
| Message-ID | <nnvfdu$18tu$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #591861 |
On 8/4/2016 8:07 AM, john wrote: > Haha. > Odd and Thomas BOTH believe > in "gravitational waves". Yup, because I believe in evidence. You choose what to believe FIRST, and then you claim evidence to the contrary is manufactured by a conspiracy. See the difference? And you call ME a 'tard??? > > Two 'tards in a pod > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 06:48 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Misconceptions about LIGO |
| Message-ID | <57f73ca2-a7e3-45b7-abc4-9e359a4d90af@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #591863 |
Odd "Thinks": matter 'warps' space (mechanism?), this "warp" travels (mechanism?), and changes things' shapes, making them shorter and longer (mechanism?- not just math- MECHANISM?) RETARDED
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 07:16 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Misconceptions about LIGO |
| Message-ID | <df26fcb8-8875-4cb9-9231-f36a8a0e9cae@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #591864 |
Oh! My bad!! I forgot- DARK MATTER does it all! Super-tards that made our Physics
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 14:51 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Misconceptions about LIGO |
| Message-ID | <nnvkpj$dkq$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #591864 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >RETARDED Yes, you are. And so are your precessing spinny things.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 09:08 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Misconceptions about LIGO |
| Message-ID | <5365d1f8-1a89-4dfe-afaf-50e67f91c46d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #591868 |
Michael: MECHANISM???? Oh, that's okay. Spend the billions- it trickles down
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 16:39 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Misconceptions about LIGO |
| Message-ID | <nnvr3v$emn$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #591878 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> tarded: >Michael: >MECHANISM???? Oh, you mean the mechanism for your precessing spinny thing galaxies and atoms? Particularly getting them to precess without violating half of the laws of physics? Oh yeah, that's right, you have NONE.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-05 07:20 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Misconceptions about LIGO |
| Message-ID | <no20ap$18q$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #591881 |
On 8/4/2016 11:39 AM, Michael Moroney wrote: > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> tarded: > >> Michael: >> MECHANISM???? > > Oh, you mean the mechanism for your precessing spinny thing galaxies and atoms? > Particularly getting them to precess without violating half of the laws of > physics? > > Oh yeah, that's right, you have NONE. > > That's his tactic. "You've not been able to explain the mechanism to me without using math, without requiring that I read something, or by using a paragraph or two of plain and simple English. Therefore, the mechanism doesn't exist. Therefore, my idea of spinny things is JUST AS GOOD because, sure it doesn't have a mechanism either but neither does your physics. And who cares whether physical laws are violated? Creativity pays no attention to those constraints." -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | poraty350@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 23:28 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Misconceptions about LIGO |
| Message-ID | <1b4fd589-1236-4e32-ad5c-641d8690ae4a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #591878 |
בתאריך יום חמישי, 4 באוגוסט 2016 בשעה 19:08:30 UTC+3, מאת john: > Michael: > MECHANISM???? > Oh, that's okay. Spend the billions- > it trickles down ========================== yes I think I was the first one to introduce the word term **MECHANISM** INTO THAT ISSURE AEE Google 'THEY CIRCLON MECHANISM' ATB Y.Porat ========================
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| From | poraty350@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-08-05 05:26 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Misconceptions about LIGO |
| Message-ID | <a8cd7f43-8422-4cf3-a563-ed29ce649103@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #591941 |
בתאריך יום שישי, 5 באוגוסט 2016 בשעה 09:28:18 UTC+3, מאת pora...@gmail.com: > בתאריך יום חמישי, 4 באוגוסט 2016 בשעה 19:08:30 UTC+3, מאת john: > > Michael: > > MECHANISM???? > > Oh, that's okay. Spend the billions- > > it trickles down > ========================== > yes > I think I was the first one to introduce the word term > **MECHANISM** > INTO THAT ISSURE > AEE > Google > 'THEY CIRCLON MECHANISM' > > ATB > Y.Porat > ======================== typo The Y Circlon mechanism ' TIA Y.Porat ========================================
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 11:14 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Misconceptions about LIGO |
| Message-ID | <nnvpl4$1osi$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #591864 |
On 8/4/2016 8:48 AM, john wrote: > Odd > "Thinks": > matter 'warps' space (mechanism?), > this "warp" travels (mechanism?), > and changes things' shapes, making > them shorter and longer (mechanism?- > not just math- MECHANISM?) Yup. Mechanism already discussed in books referred to you. You choose NOT to read any books, and so you declare there IS NO mechanism because one hasn't been shoved down your throat in a form you can swallow. And you blame scientists for this??? > > RETARDED > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | poraty350@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-08-04 23:23 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Misconceptions about LIGO |
| Message-ID | <91dc9018-8308-4d6e-828d-908d768dcbb8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #591757 |
בתאריך יום רביעי, 3 באוגוסט 2016 בשעה 22:32:11 UTC+3, מאת Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn: > mapou001@gmail.com wrote: > > > […] First, attack the messenger > > I do not have to “attack the messenger”. I only have to state the facts. > Ms. Lopez *discredits herself* by posting statements of the form “not even > wrong” to scientific fora *all day long*. This "petition" merely adds to > her nonsense. > > > and then argue that the machine behaved as was expected by theory. > > The "machine" (I do not think that a laser, a collection of mirrors, and a > detector can be called a “machine”, not even if you consider computers, , > which are machines, evaluating the results; contrast that with the LHC which > really *is* a huge machine with a lot of magnets to begin with) was designed > to *test* the theory, not only to confirm it. Big difference. > > Contrary to crackpots, scientists to not assume that a theory is correct > (which really means “makes predictions that fit observations well enough, > until a theory comes along that makes predictions that fit observations even > better”) *before* they have confirmed it by experiment. > > > The truth is that gravitational waves do not exist simply because gravity > > is an instantaneous or nonlocal phenomenon, > > Evidentially and evidently, it is neither. One does not even have to > investigate gravitational waves (which LSC was not the first to do, BTW) to > know that. You cannot have the first clue of physics if you seriously claim > that. > > > just as Newtonian physics assume. > > Newton’s law of universal gravitation (Newtonian gravity) has been > *demonstrated* to be *wrong* whenever large mass or high speed are involved, > starting with the precession of the perihelion of Mercury (there: large > mass, namely that of Sol and its planets). Mercury in its orbit was _not_ > and is _not_ where Newtonian gravity predicts it to be; it was and is very > closely there where general relativity (GR) predicts it to be instead. > > So GR is *evidently* the *better* of these two theories of gravitation. > Fortunately, as any good/better theory does, GR reduces to theories > confirmed before: > > It reduces to Newtonian gravity for the case where masses are small; IOW, > Newtonian gravity is a *special case* of general relativity, the same as > Newton’s laws of motion are *special cases* of special relativity for slow > speeds. > > ,---------------------------------------------------. > : General relativity : > : ,-----------------------------------------------. : > : : Special relativity : : > : : ,-------------------------------------------. : : > : : : Newton’s laws of motion : : : > : : : ,---------------------------------------. : : : > : : : : Newton’s law of universal gravitation : : : : > : : : `---------------------------------------' : : : > : : `-------------------------------------------' : : > : `-----------------------------------------------' : > `---------------------------------------------------' > > And that is what you crackpots do not seem to get to store on your > harddisks: Modern physics does _not_ deny that Newton’s laws are correct (in > the sense described above) and applicable; but it has *showed* that Newton’s > laws are not *universally* correct and applicable. > > To claim otherwise is equivalent to assuming something ridiculous such as > that "followers of GR" and *all scientists preceding them* (which did not > know about GR, but knew about Mercury’s precession from observation) have > found a way to continuously *put* the *planet* of Mercury where it is > supposed to be according to GR in such a way that *no* individual living on > Terra and observing the night sky can tell that they did. That way lies > madness, complete and utter insanity. > > > Therefore the whole LIGO thing was a fraud. > > Ex falso quodlibet. Or, IOW, *you* are the fraud as you pretend to know > what you are talking about. > > It would therefore be acceptable if you finally got lost. > > F'up2 <news:sci.physics.relativity> > > -- > PointedEars > > =================== idiot parrot !! Y.Porat =============================
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2016-08-05 20:49 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Misconceptions about LIGO |
| Message-ID | <2299346.5E0hv4rTRH@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #591940 |
poraty350@gmail.com wrote: > idiot parrot !! > Y.Porat So, you misspelled your name the whole time? -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-05 07:02 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Misconceptions about LIGO |
| Message-ID | <no1v8r$1vaa$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #591656 |
On 8/2/2016 12:35 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: > Typical Einsteinian, ass-kisser response. First, attack the messenger and then argue that > the machine behaved as was expected by theory. Of course it did. It would not be a fraud > if it didn't. It's a fraud because the theory is a lie to begin with. The system was designed > to generate results that perfectly agree with the theory. It's called fake injections. It's > called fraud aka thievery. > > The truth is that gravitational waves do not exist simply because gravity is an instantaneous > or nonlocal phenomenon, just as Newtonian physics assume. Therefore the whole LIGO thing was > a fraud. Whatever waves were supposedly detected, were in fact fabricated. The system was > designed in such a way as to make fake injections indistinguishable from what their crackpot > model expected. > > Imagine that. They knew what the results would look like even before they detected them. They > assumed that the theory (gravity travels at c) was correct before they tested it. How convenient. > Worse, this was not a test to falsify GR, as required by proper science. It was an experiment > designed to corroborate GR. Karl Popper is twisting in his grave. > > The UN should investigate this crap and arrest the fraudsters. It is not nice to lie to the > whole world and get away with it. I think you have some major misconceptions about how experimental science works. First of all, you DO NOT KNOW that gravity is an instantaneous or nonlocal phenomenon. A deity would have to be whispering in your ear for you to claim this certainty. You can HYPOTHESIZE that gravity is an instantaneous or nonlocal phenomenon. Then of course, the scientific question to ask would be, how would that hypothesis be put to experimental test? Because, in science, that's the ONLY way the validity of a hypothesis can be asserted. Secondly, the machine did not "behave as was expected by the theory". The theory does not predict how the detector behaves. It predicts how NATURE behaves. The detector is then put in place to see if nature behaves that way or not. There is NO WAY to design a detector such that it is guaranteed to validate a theory by design, and that is not the way that physics is done. Third, there are ways to test whether your detector is working as designed that HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THEORY. Those are called calibration exercises, and they range from test beams for particle detectors to simulated events for LIGO. Unless you calibrate, you don't know the responsiveness of your detector. This is basic experimental method. When you have the device calibrated and you want to turn the device on NATURAL signals, you simply turn the calibration signals OFF. Anybody who doesn't appreciate these elemental aspects of experimental physics is really clueless about how science works, and has no business criticizing outcomes of experiments (unless he's happy to make a fool of himself). -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-05 05:12 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Misconceptions about LIGO |
| Message-ID | <8844f1f4-d252-480f-9de4-a9bbf413478c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #591946 |
Hey, guys- how come the travelling light doesn't get distorted, also? According to your wacko theory. If light gets displaced by stars, they're saying it is distorted there, but when the wave comes through, the laser stays the same, and follows the same path?? One or the other, schizos Billions. It'll trickle down. Europe needed the work.
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| From | LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-05 12:50 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Misconceptions about LIGO |
| Message-ID | <18130588-b305-40db-ae72-ed5deae3f1a7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #591946 |
On Friday, August 5, 2016 at 5:02:40 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 8/2/2016 12:35 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: > > Typical Einsteinian, ass-kisser response. First, attack the messenger and then argue that > > the machine behaved as was expected by theory. Of course it did. It would not be a fraud > > if it didn't. It's a fraud because the theory is a lie to begin with. The system was designed > > to generate results that perfectly agree with the theory. It's called fake injections. It's > > called fraud aka thievery. > > > > The truth is that gravitational waves do not exist simply because gravity is an instantaneous > > or nonlocal phenomenon, just as Newtonian physics assume. Therefore the whole LIGO thing was > > a fraud. Whatever waves were supposedly detected, were in fact fabricated. The system was > > designed in such a way as to make fake injections indistinguishable from what their crackpot > > model expected. > > > > Imagine that. They knew what the results would look like even before they detected them. They > > assumed that the theory (gravity travels at c) was correct before they tested it. How convenient. > > Worse, this was not a test to falsify GR, as required by proper science. It was an experiment > > designed to corroborate GR. Karl Popper is twisting in his grave. > > > > The UN should investigate this crap and arrest the fraudsters. It is not nice to lie to the > > whole world and get away with it. > > I think you have some major misconceptions about how experimental > science works. I think you can pack your stupid opinion up your ass. LOL > First of all, you DO NOT KNOW that gravity is an instantaneous or > nonlocal phenomenon. A deity would have to be whispering in your ear for > you to claim this certainty. You can HYPOTHESIZE that gravity is an > instantaneous or nonlocal phenomenon. Then of course, the scientific > question to ask would be, how would that hypothesis be put to > experimental test? Because, in science, that's the ONLY way the validity > of a hypothesis can be asserted. This is where you are wrong, you ass-kissing pinhead. We already know that gravity is instantaneous from direct observation. Newtonian gravity assumes not only that gravity is instantaneous, but that the gravitational field is strictly symmetrical (i.e., spherical) around a homogenous source. This is implied by the inverse square law. Both symmetry and nonlocality are what is observed. Otherwise Newtonian gravity would be way off. If gravity propagated at ANY finite speed, the gravitational field would not be symmetrical around a moving source body. Steven Carlip and his crackpot/ass-kissing buddies in the kissass physics community can come up with some convoluted BS story to explain why GR predicts a G field that agrees with the Newtonian results but it's just a pile of foul-smelling bullshit from a pullup-wearing mental midget. The idea proposed by the ass kissers according to which bodies transmit information about their positions and velocities out into space is laughably absurd. But what can one expect from a kissass community of gutless swines? ahahahaha...AHAHAHAHA...ahahahaha... > [rest of your worthless crap deleted]
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