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Gravity and light question

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First post2016-07-14 23:01 -0700
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  Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-14 23:01 -0700
    Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 07:25 -0500
      Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 08:36 -0700
        Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 10:41 -0500
        Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 11:02 -0500
          Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 10:46 -0700
            Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 13:11 -0500
              Re: Gravity and light question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-17 16:30 +0200
                Re: Gravity and light question Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-17 11:15 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-17 15:29 -0500
                  Re: Gravity and light question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-18 00:16 +0200
                    Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 06:39 -0500
                      Re: Gravity and light question xxein1@att.net - 2016-07-18 09:32 -0700
                      Re: Gravity and light question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-18 22:55 +0200
                        Re: Gravity and light question john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 17:44 -0700
    Re: Gravity and light question Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-15 09:33 -0500
      Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 08:36 -0700
        Re: Gravity and light question Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-15 11:25 -0500
          Re: Gravity and light question "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 10:02 -0700
      Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 10:42 -0700
        Re: Gravity and light question Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-15 14:22 -0500
    glightinos noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 10:06 -0700
    Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 10:40 -0700
      Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 10:42 -0700
        Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 10:51 -0700
          Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 11:05 -0700
            Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 13:23 -0500
              Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 11:31 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 13:40 -0500
                  Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 11:47 -0700
                    Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 13:56 -0500
                  Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 11:54 -0700
                    Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 13:58 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-18 10:29 -0700
                  Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-18 11:09 -0700
                    Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-19 09:45 -0700
                      Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-19 09:59 -0700
                        Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 12:59 -0500
                          Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-19 11:15 -0700
            Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-18 09:56 -0700
              Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-18 10:03 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 12:22 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 12:38 -0500
                  Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-18 11:04 -0700
                    Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 13:25 -0500
                      Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-18 11:45 -0700
                        Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 14:12 -0500
                          Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 14:19 -0500
                            Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-18 12:24 -0700
                              Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 14:33 -0500
                            Re: Gravity and light question xxein1@att.net - 2016-07-18 14:01 -0700
                              Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 16:13 -0500
                                Re: Gravity and light question benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-07-18 19:02 -0400
                                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-18 16:45 -0700
                                  Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 13:12 -0500
                                    Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-19 11:17 -0700
                                      Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 13:46 -0500
                                        Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-19 11:51 -0700
                                          Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 13:58 -0500
                                            Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-19 12:11 -0700
                                              Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 14:19 -0500
                                                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-19 12:30 -0700
                                                  Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 14:38 -0500
                                                    Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-19 12:43 -0700
                                                      Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 15:08 -0500
                                                        Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-19 13:26 -0700
                                                  Re: Gravity and light question noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 16:36 -0700
                                                  Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-19 19:32 -0700
                                                    Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-20 10:54 -0700
                                                      Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-20 13:13 -0500
                                                        Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-20 11:31 -0700
                                                          Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-20 14:10 -0500
                                                          Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-22 11:24 -0700
                                                            Re: Gravity and light question Kent Evans <kenev@bluebarryinfo.org> - 2016-07-22 18:27 +0000
                                                            Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-22 11:34 -0700
                                                      Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-23 23:21 -0700
                                                        Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 00:09 -0700
                                                          Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 13:11 -0700
                                                            Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 14:09 -0700
                                                            light is waves through the electronic matters of free space noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 19:16 -0700
                                                          Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-24 15:22 -0500
                                                            Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 14:12 -0700
                                                              Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 07:53 -0500
                                                                Re: Gravity and light question john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 07:37 -0700
                                                                  Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 09:39 -0500
                                                                    Re: Gravity and light question john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 08:12 -0700
                                                                      Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 10:54 -0500
                                                                        Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 11:56 -0500
                                                                          Re: Gravity and light question john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 17:12 -0700
                                                                            Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-26 17:10 -0500
                                                                              Re: Gravity and light question john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-26 16:51 -0700
                                                                                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 07:24 -0500
                                                                        Re: Gravity and light question moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-26 19:18 +0000
                                                            Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 15:04 -0700
                                                      Re: Gravity and light question Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2016-07-24 18:50 -0500
                                                    Re: Gravity and light question noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-20 15:05 -0700
                                                    Re: Gravity and light question jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-25 11:16 -0700
                                                      Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-26 11:00 -0700
                                                        Re: Gravity and light question noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-26 11:52 -0700
                                                        Re: Gravity and light question jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-27 08:29 -0700
                                                      Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-31 14:01 -0500
                                                        Re: Gravity and light question noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-31 18:45 -0700
                                                        Re: Gravity and light question jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-08-01 08:45 -0700
                                                          Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-01 15:12 -0500
                  Re: Gravity and light question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-26 21:36 +0200
                    Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-26 15:05 -0500
                      Re: Gravity and light question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-27 18:36 +0200
                        Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 13:08 -0500
                          Re: Gravity and light question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-28 00:15 +0200
                            Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 09:24 -0500
                              Re: Gravity and light question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-29 07:05 +0200
                    i.q at most zero noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 14:19 -0700
                      Light (was: i.q at most zero) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-29 07:16 +0200
                        Re: Light (was: i.q at most zero) LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 22:34 -0700
                          see _Light, a history: Fermat's complete correspondence on light_ noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-29 09:38 -0700
                            Re: see _Light, a history: Fermat's complete correspondence on light_ brandonahenley9@gmail.com - 2016-07-29 12:38 -0700
        Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 13:15 -0500
      Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 12:54 -0500
    Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 10:41 -0700
      Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 10:50 -0700
        Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 13:18 -0500
          Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 11:22 -0700
            Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 13:36 -0500
              Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 11:43 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 13:49 -0500
                  Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 11:58 -0700
                    Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 14:01 -0500
                      Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 12:06 -0700
                        Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 14:17 -0500
                          Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 12:19 -0700
                            Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 14:29 -0500
                        Re: Gravity and light question Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-15 14:23 -0500
                          Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 12:33 -0700
                            Re: Gravity and light question Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-15 16:58 -0500
    Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 13:18 -0700
      Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 13:34 -0700
        Re: Gravity and light question pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 15:19 -0700
          Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 15:29 -0700
            Re: Gravity and light question pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 16:15 -0700
              Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 16:17 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 16:46 -0700
                  Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 17:14 -0700
                    Re: Gravity and light question pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 17:55 -0700
                      Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 18:08 -0700
                        Re: Gravity and light question pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 19:47 -0700
        Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-17 15:41 -0500
          Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-17 14:08 -0700
            Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 06:38 -0500
      Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 15:38 -0500
        Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 14:03 -0700
          Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 13:02 -0500
            Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-16 12:56 -0700
              Re: Gravity and light question pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-07-16 14:02 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-16 14:10 -0700
                  Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 16:38 -0500
                    Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-16 14:46 -0700
              Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 16:36 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-16 14:45 -0700
                  Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 16:48 -0500
                    Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-16 15:10 -0700
                      Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-16 16:11 -0700
                        Re: Gravity and light question pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-07-16 18:18 -0700
                          Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-16 19:40 -0700
                            Re: Gravity and light question pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-07-16 23:35 -0700
                              Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-17 00:35 -0700
                        Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-17 15:24 -0500
                      Re: Gravity and light question xxein1@att.net - 2016-07-16 22:22 -0700
                      Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-17 15:22 -0500
      all properties of light are wave(y\s, including the photon-electrical effect noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 17:03 -0700
    Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 16:42 -0700
      Re: Gravity and light question Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-17 16:37 -0500
    Re: Gravity and light question "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-07-17 13:15 -0700
      Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-17 13:17 -0700
        Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-17 15:41 -0500
    Re: Gravity and light question Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-24 17:29 +1000
      Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 00:39 -0700
        Re: Gravity and light question Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-27 12:06 -0500
          Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-27 10:17 -0700
    Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-26 21:05 -0700
      Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 07:47 -0500
        Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-27 09:19 -0700
          Re: Gravity and light question Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-27 11:56 -0500
          Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 12:56 -0500
            Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-27 11:19 -0700

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#589762

Frommapou001@gmail.com
Date2016-07-18 10:03 -0700
Message-ID<17055a16-5dc4-4388-a6ff-bdafc6cf7dfa@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#589761
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 9:57:07 AM UTC-7, edpr...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> There is a difference between the acceleration of
>  massive SLOW particles and
>  massless Speed-of-light particles
>  by gravity.

This is precisely the fucking point. There should be no difference if the equivalence principle was true.

Haysoos Martinez! I'm arguing with a cult of cretins.

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#589764

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-18 12:22 -0500
Message-ID<nmj38p$al4$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#589762
On 7/18/2016 12:03 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 9:57:07 AM UTC-7, edpr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> There is a difference between the acceleration of
>>  massive SLOW particles and
>>  massless Speed-of-light particles
>>  by gravity.
>
> This is precisely the fucking point. There should be no difference if the equivalence principle was true.
>
> Haysoos Martinez! I'm arguing with a cult of cretins.
>

What do you think the Equivalence Principle states, exactly? (Recall 
earlier you said you didn't give a shit what Einstein or physicists 
think it states. You had your own idea of what the Equivalence Principle 
means, apparently.)

And while we're at it, what do you think "acceleration is absolute" 
means? (Recall that what you thought it meant is different than what 
physicists say it means, and they're the ones that said it in the first 
place.)

Just for completeness, what do you think "acceleration" means?

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#589767

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-18 12:38 -0500
Message-ID<nmj46o$c9o$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#589762
On 7/18/2016 12:03 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 9:57:07 AM UTC-7, edpr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> There is a difference between the acceleration of
>>  massive SLOW particles and
>>  massless Speed-of-light particles
>>  by gravity.
>
> This is precisely the fucking point. There should be no difference if the equivalence principle was true.
>
> Haysoos Martinez! I'm arguing with a cult of cretins.
>

Don't you find it interesting that it is pretty straightforward to 
DERIVE (logically and mathematically) the dependence of the acceleration 
on the speed of the object FROM the Equivalence Principle?

When I say Equivalence Principle, I'm referring to what physicists mean 
by that phrase, not what YOU think it means.

Since the dependence of the acceleration on the speed of the object 
stems directly from the Equivalence Principle, it can't be in conflict 
with it, can it?

So, to sum up, all you've managed to do is show that the experimentally 
MEASURED dependence of the acceleration on the speed is in conflict with 
YOUR version of the equivalence principle, which (no surprise) is not 
what physicists mean by it.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#589772

Frommapou001@gmail.com
Date2016-07-18 11:04 -0700
Message-ID<f68d88cc-58b8-42a3-ac3e-ad89ddc0d55f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#589767
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 10:38:36 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 7/18/2016 12:03 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 9:57:07 AM UTC-7, edpr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> There is a difference between the acceleration of
> >>  massive SLOW particles and
> >>  massless Speed-of-light particles
> >>  by gravity.
> >
> > This is precisely the fucking point. There should be no difference if the equivalence principle was true.
> >
> > Haysoos Martinez! I'm arguing with a cult of cretins.
> >
> 
> Don't you find it interesting that it is pretty straightforward to 
> DERIVE (logically and mathematically) the dependence of the acceleration 
> on the speed of the object FROM the Equivalence Principle?
> 
> When I say Equivalence Principle, I'm referring to what physicists mean 
> by that phrase, not what YOU think it means.

This is precisely why it's crap. Physicists lie all the time. The true EP is as Newton saw it. This is why the acceleration of light by gravity does not work in Newtonian physics. Newton was assuming true equivalence.

Your so-called equivalence is just a chicken shit deception. It's used in order to make Einstein correct. Einstein must be correct always even though he isn't. It's Big Brother crappy physics in your face whether or not you like it.

Fuck all of you and the mules you sleep with.

ahahahaha...AHAHAHAHA...ahahahaha...

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#589786

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-18 13:25 -0500
Message-ID<nmj6ur$goi$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#589772
On 7/18/2016 1:04 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 10:38:36 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 7/18/2016 12:03 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 9:57:07 AM UTC-7, edpr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There is a difference between the acceleration of
>>>>  massive SLOW particles and
>>>>  massless Speed-of-light particles
>>>>  by gravity.
>>>
>>> This is precisely the fucking point. There should be no difference if the equivalence principle was true.
>>>
>>> Haysoos Martinez! I'm arguing with a cult of cretins.
>>>
>>
>> Don't you find it interesting that it is pretty straightforward to
>> DERIVE (logically and mathematically) the dependence of the acceleration
>> on the speed of the object FROM the Equivalence Principle?
>>
>> When I say Equivalence Principle, I'm referring to what physicists mean
>> by that phrase, not what YOU think it means.
>
> This is precisely why it's crap. Physicists lie all the time. The true EP is as Newton saw it.

Maybe you'd better back up and quote Newton's equivalence principle, 
preferably from his writings.

As far as I know, Einstein (not Newton) coined the term.

> This is why
> the acceleration of light by gravity does not work in Newtonian physics. Newton was assuming true equivalence.
>
> Your so-called equivalence is just a chicken shit deception.

OK, so we've confirmed that you're not referring to the Equivalence 
Principle as scientists understand that term. You're referring to SOME 
OTHER thing you're calling the Equivalence Principle and THIS OTHER 
thing is what you're saying that the speed dependence of acceleration is 
in conflict with. On top of that, THIS OTHER thing you're attributing to 
Newton, for some reason.

At least we know that it's not general relativity that's internally 
inconsistent. It's just that general relativity is not consistent with 
"Newton's" version of the equivalence principle. OK, we already knew 
that general relativity is not consistent with Newtonian mechanics. Big 
deal.

OK, so how to deal with experimental data that shows this speed 
dependence of acceleration in fact happens? Doesn't that tell you that 
Einstein's version of the equivalence principle matches experiment, and 
that "Newton's" version does not?

> It's used in order to make Einstein correct. Einstein must be correct always even though he isn't.

Well, it's a rather elaborate deception, isn't it?
I mean, the equivalence principle was published several YEARS before the 
first experimental evidence rolled in that showed he was right.

So you're saying that Einstein read the future, knew what the 
experimental results were going to be, and then cobbled together his 
equivalence principle to match the results of the future?

> It's
> Big Brother crappy physics in your face whether or not you like it.

Well, yeah, that's the nature of science. If experimental data says it 
happens, then it happens, whether or not you like it. In this way, the 
scientific method FORCES people to change their minds about how the 
world works. If you don't like that, then science ain't a great hobby 
for you.

>
> Fuck all of you and the mules you sleep with.
>
> ahahahaha...AHAHAHAHA...ahahahaha...
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#589789

Frommapou001@gmail.com
Date2016-07-18 11:45 -0700
Message-ID<d73f2963-87e7-4c59-89b9-e6d65d2bab20@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#589786
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 11:25:36 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 7/18/2016 1:04 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
[crap]

Fuck you.

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#589792

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-18 14:12 -0500
Message-ID<nmj9no$li0$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#589789
On 7/18/2016 1:45 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 11:25:36 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 7/18/2016 1:04 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
> [crap]
>
> Fuck you.
>

OK, just to summarize.

1. You claimed that the Einsteinian Equivalence Principle was 
inconsistent with the soundbite from Carlip about falling twice as fast, 
which as it turns out you misquoted originally.
2. When it was pointed out that particles and light fall according to 
the same rule, in accord with the equivalence principle, you disputed 
that the equivalence principle says what it says.
3. Then it turned out you didn't mean the Einsteinian equivalence 
principle at all, but some other thing you were calling the equivalence 
principle, something you apparently made up.
4. When it was pointed out that experimental measurement agrees with the 
Einsteinian Equivalence Principle and disagrees with the equivalence 
principle you made up, you called it a big conspiracy to make people 
believe things they don't like.
5. In response to all these true things being revealed, your final 
comment is "Fuck you."

And what's your take-away from this experience?

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#589793

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-18 14:19 -0500
Message-ID<nmja47$m8e$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#589792
On 7/18/2016 2:12 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 7/18/2016 1:45 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 11:25:36 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> On 7/18/2016 1:04 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
>> [crap]
>>
>> Fuck you.
>>
>
> OK, just to summarize.
>
> 1. You claimed that the Einsteinian Equivalence Principle was
> inconsistent with the soundbite from Carlip about falling twice as fast,
> which as it turns out you misquoted originally.
> 2. When it was pointed out that particles and light fall according to
> the same rule, in accord with the equivalence principle, you disputed
> that the equivalence principle says what it says.
> 3. Then it turned out you didn't mean the Einsteinian equivalence
> principle at all, but some other thing you were calling the equivalence
> principle, something you apparently made up.
> 4. When it was pointed out that experimental measurement agrees with the
> Einsteinian Equivalence Principle and disagrees with the equivalence
> principle you made up, you called it a big conspiracy to make people
> believe things they don't like.
> 5. In response to all these true things being revealed, your final
> comment is "Fuck you."
>
> And what's your take-away from this experience?
>

Oh, and how's www.reddit.com/r/RebelScience coming along, since you 
announced you were leaving usenet, SixWings?

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#589794

Frommapou001@gmail.com
Date2016-07-18 12:24 -0700
Message-ID<f589a290-4562-4e1c-b8e1-12118f36f9b5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#589793
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 12:19:41 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
[crap]

Your momma.

ahahaha...AHAHAHA...ahahaha...

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#589795

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-18 14:33 -0500
Message-ID<nmjath$n9k$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#589794
On 7/18/2016 2:24 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 12:19:41 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> [crap]
>
> Your momma.
>
> ahahaha...AHAHAHA...ahahaha...
>

I love it when you get all highly-educated-sounding and "Pfbthblpfpftt!" 
and all.

C'mon baby, talk smart some more for me. Maybe buy me a drink?

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#589819

Fromxxein1@att.net
Date2016-07-18 14:01 -0700
Message-ID<f09e8ac6-5ee4-4c0b-b992-568986d4f51b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#589793
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 3:19:41 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 7/18/2016 2:12 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > On 7/18/2016 1:45 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 11:25:36 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>> On 7/18/2016 1:04 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:

> -- 
> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

xxein:  OK Mr. Smartypants, the Earth was flat 3,000 yrs-ago.  How can it get from flat to round in just 3,000 years?  What shape will it be 3,000 years from now?  Square?  Are you just going to make up physics to explain whatever shape it will be only after the fact?

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#589826

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-18 16:13 -0500
Message-ID<nmjgpk$10u5$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#589819
On 7/18/2016 4:01 PM, xxein1@att.net wrote:
> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 3:19:41 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 7/18/2016 2:12 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> On 7/18/2016 1:45 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 11:25:36 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>> On 7/18/2016 1:04 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>
> xxein:  OK Mr. Smartypants, the Earth was flat 3,000 yrs-ago.  How can it get from
> flat to round in just 3,000 years?  What shape will it be 3,000 years from now?
> Square?  Are you just going to make up physics to explain whatever shape it will
> be only after the fact?
>

This is pretty funny.

Oh wait. Did you MEAN for it to be funny?

If not, then never mind, we'll just pretend you didn't just say that.


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#589835

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2016-07-18 19:02 -0400
Message-ID<578d6007$0$25280$c3e8da3$e408f015@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#589826
On 7/18/2016 5:13 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 7/18/2016 4:01 PM, xxein1@att.net wrote:
>> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 3:19:41 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> On 7/18/2016 2:12 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 7/18/2016 1:45 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 11:25:36 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/18/2016 1:04 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> --
>>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>
>> xxein:  OK Mr. Smartypants, the Earth was flat 3,000 yrs-ago.  How can
>> it get from
>> flat to round in just 3,000 years?  What shape will it be 3,000 years
>> from now?
>> Square?  Are you just going to make up physics to explain whatever
>> shape it will
>> be only after the fact?
>>
>
> This is pretty funny.
>
> Oh wait. Did you MEAN for it to be funny?
>
> If not, then never mind, we'll just pretend you didn't just say that.

Boinker if you were into amateur science and not politics, you'd know 
that 3000 years ago everyone KNEW the earth was round, they even 
calculated it's size (pretty accurate too). THEN the earth was flat and 
in 3000 years everyone will know the truth which was discovered by the 
Nazis and latter proved by the Americans that the earth is hollow with a 
central sun.

Of course by then everyone will know that truth and you'll (or the 
equivalent Boinker of that age) will be arguing with kooks that no it 
doesn't have a liquid core. Odd, you are doomed to be a follower and 
never a leader.

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#589840

Frommapou001@gmail.com
Date2016-07-18 16:45 -0700
Message-ID<96ae8d70-d171-426a-9756-1d733c536d19@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#589826
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 2:13:29 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> This is pretty funny.
> 
> Oh wait. Did you MEAN for it to be funny?
> 
> If not, then never mind, we'll just pretend you didn't just say that.

All relativists sniff each other's ass. They call it peer review. But the rest of us know it's really ass review. It has always been ass review.

ahahaha...AHAHAHAHA...ahahahaha...

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#589964

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-19 13:12 -0500
Message-ID<nmlqhh$8ad$5@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#589840
On 7/18/2016 6:45 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 2:13:29 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> This is pretty funny.
>>
>> Oh wait. Did you MEAN for it to be funny?
>>
>> If not, then never mind, we'll just pretend you didn't just say that.
>
> All relativists sniff each other's ass. They call it peer review. But the rest of us
> know it's really ass review. It has always been ass review.

Well, this is in the category of a "Pfthblbpfpffttt!" comment and is not 
particularly useful.

Peer review is there for a reason. You may disagree with that reason and 
have a cogent rationale for why you think it should be abandoned. If so, 
you could attempt to put that cogent rationale together and write it 
down here. Basically, the question is about how to do some quality 
assurance of scientific work. If you have a better proposal, out with 
it. (A suggestion of "No quality assurance is recommended!" then you can 
imagine the immediate response.)

>
> ahahaha...AHAHAHAHA...ahahahaha...
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#589967

Frommapou001@gmail.com
Date2016-07-19 11:17 -0700
Message-ID<d0af5bc9-539c-4a21-95d3-952e10a38519@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#589964
On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 11:12:05 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>[more crap]
> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Fuck you. Don't bother replying. I don't read your stupid shit.

ahahaha...AHAHAHAHA...ahahahaha...

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#589972

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-19 13:46 -0500
Message-ID<nmlsh6$bug$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#589967
On 7/19/2016 1:17 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 11:12:05 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> [more crap]
>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>
> Fuck you. Don't bother replying. I don't read your stupid shit.
>
> ahahaha...AHAHAHAHA...ahahahaha...
>

But others do. And we're right about you....

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#589973

Frommapou001@gmail.com
Date2016-07-19 11:51 -0700
Message-ID<abf9e067-f3d1-4ac6-902c-2dbf5fc188b6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#589972
On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 11:46:03 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 7/19/2016 1:17 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 11:12:05 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> [more crap]
> >> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >
> > Fuck you. Don't bother replying. I don't read your stupid shit.
> >
> > ahahaha...AHAHAHAHA...ahahahaha...
> >
> 
> But others do. And we're right about you....
> 

I don't fucking care.

ahahaha...AHAHAHAHA...ahahahaha...

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#589974

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-19 13:58 -0500
Message-ID<nmlt7t$d5e$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#589973
On 7/19/2016 1:51 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 11:46:03 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 7/19/2016 1:17 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 11:12:05 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> [more crap]
>>>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>
>>> Fuck you. Don't bother replying. I don't read your stupid shit.
>>>
>>> ahahaha...AHAHAHAHA...ahahahaha...
>>>
>>
>> But others do. And we're right about you....
>>
>
> I don't fucking care.
>
> ahahaha...AHAHAHAHA...ahahahaha...
>

Of course you don't. That's why you're never going to get anywhere 
different than where you are right now -- pissed and without answers to 
your questions. Start caring a little more, and maybe that would change.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#589978

Frommapou001@gmail.com
Date2016-07-19 12:11 -0700
Message-ID<7b2babac-bfa7-4cb5-8dfd-aa5d970eaec4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#589974
On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 11:58:10 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 7/19/2016 1:51 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 11:46:03 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> On 7/19/2016 1:17 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 11:12:05 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>> [more crap]
> >>>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >>>
> >>> Fuck you. Don't bother replying. I don't read your stupid shit.
> >>>
> >>> ahahaha...AHAHAHAHA...ahahahaha...
> >>>
> >>
> >> But others do. And we're right about you....
> >>
> >
> > I don't fucking care.
> >
> > ahahaha...AHAHAHAHA...ahahahaha...
> >
> 
> Of course you don't. That's why you're never going to get anywhere 
> different than where you are right now -- pissed and without answers to 
> your questions. Start caring a little more, and maybe that would change.

I got answers, alright. This is how I know you're a fucking mental midget and an ass kisser. And I do care about good solid physics, not a bunch of stupid crap from morons.

ahahaha...AHAHAHAHA...ahahahaha...

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