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Physics Forums: Here is why gravitational waves are nonsense and why we are being taken to the cleaners by fraudsters

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  Physics Forums: Here is why gravitational waves are nonsense and why we are being taken to the cleaners by fraudsters mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-13 10:55 -0700
    Re: Physics Forums: Here is why gravitational waves are nonsense and why we are being taken to the cleaners by fraudsters mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-13 11:40 -0700
    Re: Physics Forums: Here is why gravitational waves are nonsense and why we are being taken to the cleaners by fraudsters "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 23:13 -0700
      Re: Physics Forums: Here is why gravitational waves are nonsense and why we are being taken to the cleaners by fraudsters mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-14 23:33 -0700
        Re: Physics Forums: Here is why gravitational waves are nonsense and why we are being taken to the cleaners by fraudsters mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-14 23:42 -0700
        Re: Physics Forums: Here is why gravitational waves are nonsense and why we are being taken to the cleaners by fraudsters "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 04:45 -0700
        Re: Physics Forums: Here is why gravitational waves are nonsense and why we are being taken to the cleaners by fraudsters Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-15 09:54 -0500
          Re: Physics Forums: Here is why gravitational waves are nonsense and why we are being taken to the cleaners by fraudsters mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 11:01 -0700
            Re: Physics Forums: Here is why gravitational waves are nonsense and why we are being taken to the cleaners by fraudsters Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-15 20:31 -0500
        Re: Physics Forums: Here is why gravitational waves are nonsense and why we are being taken to the cleaners by fraudsters "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 16:50 -0700
      Re: Physics Forums: Here is why gravitational waves are nonsense and why we are being taken to the cleaners by fraudsters "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 04:49 -0700
      Re: Physics Forums: Here is why gravitational waves are nonsense and why we are being taken to the cleaners by fraudsters benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-07-15 16:26 -0400
        Re: Physics Forums: Here is why gravitational waves are nonsense and why we are being taken to the cleaners by fraudsters "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 15:15 -0700
    Re: Physics Forums: Here is why gravitational waves are nonsense and why we are being taken to the cleaners by fraudsters "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 10:06 -0700

#589078 — Physics Forums: Here is why gravitational waves are nonsense and why we are being taken to the cleaners by fraudsters

Frommapou001@gmail.com
Date2016-07-13 10:55 -0700
SubjectPhysics Forums: Here is why gravitational waves are nonsense and why we are being taken to the cleaners by fraudsters
Message-ID<da8101be-3f30-4a8b-9996-67e3a2d75d22@googlegroups.com>
Link: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/gravitational-waves-affected-by-gravity.878668/

Someone wrote the following at Physics Forums:

[startquote]
So we know that in GR electromagnetic waves have their trajectories effected by the gravity of stars and planets. But how about gravitational waves. Are their trajectories altered by gravity? If so, would this imply that gravitons are self-interacting if they exist?
[endquote]

The answer is yes on both counts, of course. Self-interaction introduces an infinite self-referential regress. This is one of the many reasons that both gravitons and gravitational waves are nonsense.

We, the people, are being lied to and robbed by fraudsters and crackpots in high places to the tune of billions of dollars.

Warning: You fuck with the people and the people will fuck with you. Wait for it.

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#589089

Frommapou001@gmail.com
Date2016-07-13 11:40 -0700
Message-ID<28bd0c18-2322-4c8c-be14-9999f3f50544@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#589078
On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 10:55:36 AM UTC-7, mapo...@gmail.com wrote:
> Link: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/gravitational-waves-affected-by-gravity.878668/
> 
> Someone wrote the following at Physics Forums:
> 
> [startquote]
> So we know that in GR electromagnetic waves have their trajectories effected by the gravity of stars and planets. But how about gravitational waves. Are their trajectories altered by gravity? If so, would this imply that gravitons are self-interacting if they exist?
> [endquote]
> 
> The answer is yes on both counts, of course. Self-interaction introduces an infinite self-referential regress. This is one of the many reasons that both gravitons and gravitational waves are nonsense.
> 
> We, the people, are being lied to and robbed by fraudsters and crackpots in high places to the tune of billions of dollars.
> 
> Warning: You fuck with the people and the people will fuck with you. Wait for it.

The nasty problem of infinite self-referential regress refutes the LIGO results and a huge part of modern physics, especially the theory of General Relativity. For the record, this is something I've been saying from the beginning:

http://rebelscience.blogspot.com/2016/02/why-gravitational-waves-are-nonsense.html

The field of physics has been turned into a criminal enterprise, stealing billions of dollars from an unsuspecting public. It is legalised thievery. The fraudsters should be discredited and sent to jail where they belong.

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#589379

From"nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-14 23:13 -0700
Message-ID<9a281830-eb3a-407d-a4ea-d4eff64d6380@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#589078
On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 10:55:36 AM UTC-7, mapo...@gmail.com wrote:
> Link: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/gravitational-waves-affected-by-gravity.878668/
> 
> Someone wrote the following at Physics Forums:
> 
> [startquote]
> So we know that in GR electromagnetic waves have their trajectories effected
> by the gravity of stars and planets. But how about gravitational waves. Are
> their trajectories altered by gravity? If so, would this imply that gravitons
> are self-interacting if they exist?
> [endquote]
> 
> The answer is yes on both counts, of course.

  Fine so far.

> Self-interaction introduces an infinite self-referential regress. This is one
> of the many reasons that both gravitons and gravitational waves are nonsense.

  No. Gravitation is incredibly weak. What you suggest would be a problem if gravitation were many times stronger than it is, but it isn't.

> We, the people, are being lied to and robbed by fraudsters and crackpots in
> high places to the tune of billions of dollars.

  No. The problem is that you, the person, have no understanding of physics.

> Warning: You fuck with the people and the people will fuck with you. Wait for
> it.

  Yeah, sure. Are you making a terrorist threat against LIGO?

  Spend less time sweating what innocent physicists are up to, and more on what lying, thieving, psychopathic politicians are up to.


  Mark L. Fergerson

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#589383

Frommapou001@gmail.com
Date2016-07-14 23:33 -0700
Message-ID<bed4c4e8-936a-4cbf-aacc-807cc2491cb5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#589379
On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 11:13:27 PM UTC-7, nu...@bid.nes wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 10:55:36 AM UTC-7, mapo...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Link: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/gravitational-waves-affected-by-gravity.878668/
> > 
> > Someone wrote the following at Physics Forums:
> > 
> > [startquote]
> > So we know that in GR electromagnetic waves have their trajectories effected
> > by the gravity of stars and planets. But how about gravitational waves. Are
> > their trajectories altered by gravity? If so, would this imply that gravitons
> > are self-interacting if they exist?
> > [endquote]
> > 
> > The answer is yes on both counts, of course.
> 
>   Fine so far.
> 
> > Self-interaction introduces an infinite self-referential regress. This is one
> > of the many reasons that both gravitons and gravitational waves are nonsense.
> 
>   No. Gravitation is incredibly weak. What you suggest would be a problem if gravitation were many times stronger than it is, but it isn't.
> 
> > We, the people, are being lied to and robbed by fraudsters and crackpots in
> > high places to the tune of billions of dollars.
> 
>   No. The problem is that you, the person, have no understanding of physics.
> 
> > Warning: You fuck with the people and the people will fuck with you. Wait for
> > it.
> 
>   Yeah, sure. Are you making a terrorist threat against LIGO?
> 
>   Spend less time sweating what innocent physicists are up to, and more on what lying, thieving, psychopathic politicians are up to.
> 
> 
>   Mark L. Fergerson

Fuck you. I was asking people who actually have a couple of neurons between their ears. You're just talking crap. Stay the fuck away from this thread, jackass.

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#589384

Frommapou001@gmail.com
Date2016-07-14 23:42 -0700
Message-ID<0b9567ba-40fe-4bf8-b746-3efe6e7f65ba@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#589383
> Fuck you. I was asking people who actually have a couple of neurons between their ears. You're just talking crap. Stay the fuck away from this thread, jackass.

Ooops! I forgot to laugh.

ahahaha...AHAHAHAHA...ahahaha...

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#589387

From"Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-15 04:45 -0700
Message-ID<fe9116b2-b82e-4afb-a017-ab23502995f7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#589383
On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 9:33:41 AM UTC+3, mapo  >   Mark L. Fergerson
> 
> Fuck you. I was asking people who actually have a couple of neurons between their ears. You're just talking crap. Stay the fuck away from this thread, jackass.

================================
MASS*** IS THE MOTHEROF ALL FORCES
INCLUDING GRAVITY !!
no other nonsense 

ATB

Y.Porat
===========================================

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#589400

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2016-07-15 09:54 -0500
Message-ID<nmatfi$1c4d$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#589383
On 7/15/2016 1:33 AM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:


> Fuck you. I was asking people who actually have a couple of neurons
> between their ears. You're just talking crap. Stay the fuck away from
> this thread, jackass.

It is not his fault that *you* cannot understand math or physics.

                Are you one of the uneducated ?

Accept the fact that *you suck at math and science*, and it is obviously 
  your own fault.

May Allah, the most Merciful, Smite your chicken brain punkass downtown.

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#589424

Frommapou001@gmail.com
Date2016-07-15 11:01 -0700
Message-ID<4a2875d6-ad23-444a-a259-63162efc7c8d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#589400
On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 7:54:47 AM UTC-7, Sergio wrote:
> On 7/15/2016 1:33 AM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> > Fuck you. I was asking people who actually have a couple of neurons
> > between their ears. You're just talking crap. Stay the fuck away from
> > this thread, jackass.
> 
> It is not his fault that *you* cannot understand math or physics.
> 
>                 Are you one of the uneducated ?
> 
> Accept the fact that *you suck at math and science*, and it is obviously 
>   your own fault.
> 
> May Allah, the most Merciful, Smite your chicken brain punkass downtown.

Fuck you.

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#589511

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2016-07-15 20:31 -0500
Message-ID<nmc2qr$10gh$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#589424
On 7/15/2016 1:01 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 7:54:47 AM UTC-7, Sergio wrote:
>> On 7/15/2016 1:33 AM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Fuck you. I was asking people who actually have a couple of neurons
>>> between their ears. You're just talking crap. Stay the fuck away from
>>> this thread, jackass.
>>
>> It is not his fault that *you* cannot understand math or physics.
>>
>>                 Are you one of the uneducated ?
>>
>> Accept the fact that *you suck at math and science*, and it is obviously
>>   your own fault.
>>
>> May Allah, the most Merciful, Smite your chicken brain punkass downtown.
>
> Fuck you.
>

Aww, poor baby, are your feelings hurt? Get over it. Physics isn't about 
emotions.

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#589494

From"nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-15 16:50 -0700
Message-ID<6e442afa-3cd4-4176-a842-24372212edac@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#589383
On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 11:33:41 PM UTC-7, mapo...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 11:13:27 PM UTC-7, nu...@bid.nes wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 10:55:36 AM UTC-7, mapo...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Link: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/gravitational-waves-affected-by-gravity.878668/
> > > 
> > > Someone wrote the following at Physics Forums:
> > > 
> > > [startquote]
> > > So we know that in GR electromagnetic waves have their trajectories
> > > effected by the gravity of stars and planets. But how about gravitational
> > > waves. Are their trajectories altered by gravity? If so, would this imply
> > > that gravitons are self-interacting if they exist?
> > > [endquote]
> > > 
> > > The answer is yes on both counts, of course.
> > 
> >   Fine so far.
> > 
> > > Self-interaction introduces an infinite self-referential regress. This is
> > > one of the many reasons that both gravitons and gravitational waves are
> > > nonsense.
> > 
> >   No. Gravitation is incredibly weak. What you suggest would be a problem
> > if gravitation were many times stronger than it is, but it isn't.
> > 
> > > We, the people, are being lied to and robbed by fraudsters and crackpots
> > > in high places to the tune of billions of dollars.
> > 
> >   No. The problem is that you, the person, have no understanding of physics.
> > 
> > > Warning: You fuck with the people and the people will fuck with you. Wait
> > > forit.
> > 
> >   Yeah, sure. Are you making a terrorist threat against LIGO?
> > 
> >   Spend less time sweating what innocent physicists are up to, and more on
> > what lying, thieving, psychopathic politicians are up to. 
> 
> Fuck you.

  Aww, poor baby, are your feelings hurt? Get over it. Physics isn't about emotions.

> I was asking people who actually have a couple of neurons between their ears.

  You mean a couple more neurons between their ears than you have, which would be practically everybody.

> You're just talking crap.

  Provide proof of your assertions.

  Prove that gravitons or gravitational waves are "nonsense", and while you're at it, prove that Nature has to make sense according to human rules.

  Prove that those searching for gravitons and gravitational waves are lying and perpetrating fraud for monetary gain.

> Stay the fuck away from this thread, jackass.

  Guess what- I don't take orders from you.


  Mark L. Fergerson

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#589388

From"Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-15 04:49 -0700
Message-ID<30f16cb7-6045-4975-9a26-fe2058ab7dfc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#589379
On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 9:13:27 AM UTC+3, nu...@bid. > > high places to the tune of billions of dollars.
> 
>   No. The problem is that you, the person, have no understanding of physics.
> 
> > Warning: You fuck with the people and the people will fuck with you. Wait for
> > it.
> 
>   Yeah, sure. Are you making a terrorist threat against LIGO?
> 
>   Spend less time sweating what innocent physicists are up to, and more on what lying, thieving, psychopathic politicians are up to.
> 
> 
>   Mark L. Fergerson

==================
Mark
I thought that you are a thinker
and not a parrot as all the others 

MASS  IS THEMOTHEROF ALL FORCES!
INCLUDING GRAVITY !!
is it so difficult to get it
after so many years ??

ATB
Y.Porat
==============================

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#589460

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2016-07-15 16:26 -0400
Message-ID<57894712$0$33836$c3e8da3$f017e9df@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#589379
On 7/15/2016 2:13 AM, nuny@bid.nes wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 10:55:36 AM UTC-7, mapo...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Link: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/gravitational-waves-affected-by-gravity.878668/
>>
>> Someone wrote the following at Physics Forums:
>>
>> [startquote]
>> So we know that in GR electromagnetic waves have their trajectories effected
>> by the gravity of stars and planets. But how about gravitational waves. Are
>> their trajectories altered by gravity? If so, would this imply that gravitons
>> are self-interacting if they exist?
>> [endquote]
>>
>> The answer is yes on both counts, of course.
>
>    Fine so far.
>
>> Self-interaction introduces an infinite self-referential regress. This is one
>> of the many reasons that both gravitons and gravitational waves are nonsense.
>
>    No. Gravitation is incredibly weak. What you suggest would be a problem if gravitation were many times stronger than it is, but it isn't.
>
>> We, the people, are being lied to and robbed by fraudsters and crackpots in
>> high places to the tune of billions of dollars.
>
>    No. The problem is that you, the person, have no understanding of physics.
>
>> Warning: You fuck with the people and the people will fuck with you. Wait for
>> it.
>
>    Yeah, sure. Are you making a terrorist threat against LIGO?
>
>    Spend less time sweating what innocent physicists are up to, and more on what lying, thieving, psychopathic politicians are up to.
>
>
>    Mark L. Fergerson

Sounds to me like you BOTH are cranks that need to join me in being 
"banned for life".

Gravity is caused by waves is NOT "waves". LIGO is a fraud.

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#589470

From"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-15 15:15 -0700
Message-ID<c30c2845-6ec2-4aed-9592-512275faa2eb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#589460
On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 1:27:01 PM UTC-7, benj wrote:
> On 7/15/2016 2:13 AM, nuny@bid.nes wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 10:55:36 AM UTC-7, mapo...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Link: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/gravitational-waves-affected-by-gravity.878668/
> >>
> >> Someone wrote the following at Physics Forums:
> >>
> >> [startquote]
> >> So we know that in GR electromagnetic waves have their trajectories effected
> >> by the gravity of stars and planets. But how about gravitational waves. Are
> >> their trajectories altered by gravity? If so, would this imply that gravitons
> >> are self-interacting if they exist?
> >> [endquote]
> >>
> >> The answer is yes on both counts, of course.
> >
> >    Fine so far.
> >
> >> Self-interaction introduces an infinite self-referential regress. This is one
> >> of the many reasons that both gravitons and gravitational waves are nonsense.
> >
> >    No. Gravitation is incredibly weak. What you suggest would be a problem if gravitation were many times stronger than it is, but it isn't.
> >
> >> We, the people, are being lied to and robbed by fraudsters and crackpots in
> >> high places to the tune of billions of dollars.
> >
> >    No. The problem is that you, the person, have no understanding of physics.
> >
> >> Warning: You fuck with the people and the people will fuck with you. Wait for
> >> it.
> >
> >    Yeah, sure. Are you making a terrorist threat against LIGO?
> >
> >    Spend less time sweating what innocent physicists are up to, and more on what lying, thieving, psychopathic politicians are up to.
> >
> >
> >    Mark L. Fergerson
> 
> Sounds to me like you BOTH are cranks that need to join me in being 
> "banned for life".
> 
> Gravity is caused by waves is NOT "waves". LIGO is a fraud.

GOPer con artists and steal by fraud and corruption for 50 years.They never keeped books on the shuttles,and tried their best to cover up how it killed 12 people.Think Challanger .If not for an honest general,and R. Feynman it would be .Let these crooks show the books on LIGO.O ya  TreBert

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#589411

From"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-15 10:06 -0700
Message-ID<ab54fffc-5de9-4eab-b806-331d290b575b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#589078
On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 10:55:36 AM UTC-7, mapo...@gmail.com wrote:
> Link: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/gravitational-waves-affected-by-gravity.878668/
> 
> Someone wrote the following at Physics Forums:
> 
> [startquote]
> So we know that in GR electromagnetic waves have their trajectories effected by the gravity of stars and planets. But how about gravitational waves. Are their trajectories altered by gravity? If so, would this imply that gravitons are self-interacting if they exist?
> [endquote]
> 
> The answer is yes on both counts, of course. Self-interaction introduces an infinite self-referential regress. This is one of the many reasons that both gravitons and gravitational waves are nonsense.
> 
> We, the people, are being lied to and robbed by fraudsters and crackpots in high places to the tune of billions of dollars.
> 
> Warning: You fuck with the people and the people will fuck with you. Wait for it.

Best reason for LIGO finding gravity working with a wave is $ 450,000,000 O ya  TreBert

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