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  Re: Why can't we disarm lunatics ? JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2016-07-12 17:37 -0500
    Re: Why can't we disarm lunatics ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-07-12 16:06 -0700
      Re: Why can't we disarm lunatics ? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-07-12 19:42 -0400
        Re: Why can't we disarm lunatics ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-07-12 16:59 -0700
          Re: Why can't we disarm lunatics ? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-13 10:09 -0500
        Re: Why can't we disarm lunatics ? JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2016-07-13 15:45 -0500
          Re: Why can't we disarm lunatics ? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 06:55 -0500
            Re: Why can't we disarm lunatics ? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 08:05 -0500

#588965 — Re: Why can't we disarm lunatics ?

On 2016-07-10, Jeff-Relf.Me <> wrote:
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> Why can't we disarm lunatics ?

    It would require severe fascism.

>
> Micah Xavier Johnson, the CopKiller, was accused of
> sexual harassment by a female soldier in Afghanistan, May 2014.

    So you want your rights revoked any time you manage to piss off
a girl while trying to court her? Are you trolling or are you really
this stupid?

>
> She sought a restraining order against him
> and said that he needed mental health counseling. 

    I find your lack of appreciation for due process disturbing...

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#588966

On 7/12/16, 3:37 PM, in article slrnnoasa3.8gb.jedi@nomad.mishnet,
"JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:

> On 2016-07-10, Jeff-Relf.Me <> wrote:
>> <PRE Style='Font-Family: OCR A, monospace !important;'>
>> Why can't we disarm lunatics ?
> 
>     It would require severe fascism.

How about we just stop socializing the costs / risks of arms? Make those who
want guns pay for those costs?
 
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#588973

On 7/12/2016 7:06 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 7/12/16, 3:37 PM, in article slrnnoasa3.8gb.jedi@nomad.mishnet,
> "JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>
>> On 2016-07-10, Jeff-Relf.Me <> wrote:
>>> <PRE Style='Font-Family: OCR A, monospace !important;'>
>>> Why can't we disarm lunatics ?
>>
>>      It would require severe fascism.
>
> How about we just stop socializing the costs / risks of arms? Make those who
> want guns pay for those costs?

Hey the gun-free crime-free USSR murdered millions and millions of their 
own citizens. Who paid the cost of that?

If you want to stop crimes BEFORE they happen, the answer is simple. You 
simply put everyone in the country (except those and power and those who 
work for them, natch) in prison. Worked in the (former) USSR. They had 
an official crime rate of ZERO. You can only DREAM of something like that!

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#588976

On 7/12/16, 4:42 PM, in article
57858068$0$55946$c3e8da3$33881b6a@news.astraweb.com, "benj"
<benj@nobody.net> wrote:

> On 7/12/2016 7:06 PM, Snit wrote:
>> On 7/12/16, 3:37 PM, in article slrnnoasa3.8gb.jedi@nomad.mishnet,
>> "JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2016-07-10, Jeff-Relf.Me <> wrote:
>>>> <PRE Style='Font-Family: OCR A, monospace !important;'>
>>>> Why can't we disarm lunatics ?
>>> 
>>>      It would require severe fascism.
>> 
>> How about we just stop socializing the costs / risks of arms? Make those who
>> want guns pay for those costs?
> 
> Hey the gun-free crime-free USSR murdered millions and millions of their
> own citizens. Who paid the cost of that?

Not relevant to the question. And look at the open carry advocates in
Dallas. They made things worse, not better. They rarely help in any
situation... with the exception of ex-police or ex-military.

But why should the cost of guns be socialized? Why not have gun owners pay
for the costs and risks?

> If you want to stop crimes BEFORE they happen, the answer is simple. You
> simply put everyone in the country (except those and power and those who
> work for them, natch) in prison. Worked in the (former) USSR. They had
> an official crime rate of ZERO. You can only DREAM of something like that!

Stop them before they happen? Not at all tied to what I am asking.


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#589060

On 7/12/2016 6:59 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 7/12/16, 4:42 PM, in article
> 57858068$0$55946$c3e8da3$33881b6a@news.astraweb.com, "benj"
> <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>
>> On 7/12/2016 7:06 PM, Snit wrote:
>>> On 7/12/16, 3:37 PM, in article slrnnoasa3.8gb.jedi@nomad.mishnet,
>>> "JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2016-07-10, Jeff-Relf.Me <> wrote:
>>>>> <PRE Style='Font-Family: OCR A, monospace !important;'>
>>>>> Why can't we disarm lunatics ?
>>>>
>>>>      It would require severe fascism.
>>>
>>> How about we just stop socializing the costs / risks of arms? Make those who
>>> want guns pay for those costs?
>>
>> Hey the gun-free crime-free USSR murdered millions and millions of their
>> own citizens. Who paid the cost of that?
>
> Not relevant to the question. And look at the open carry advocates in
> Dallas. They made things worse, not better. They rarely help in any
> situation... with the exception of ex-police or ex-military.


most open carry advocates are ex military.


>
> But why should the cost of guns be socialized? Why not have gun owners pay
> for the costs and risks?

that is already covered, a gun owner that shoots someone gets sued and 
taken to court.  If they were justified, no pay, if they were not, they pay.

>
>> If you want to stop crimes BEFORE they happen, the answer is simple. You
>> simply put everyone in the country (except those and power and those who
>> work for them, natch) in prison. Worked in the (former) USSR. They had
>> an official crime rate of ZERO. You can only DREAM of something like that!

you can also do that with taxes, take all income except what is 
nessicary to live on, and the people are in a finiical jail, can only do 
a little.


>
> Stop them before they happen?

ask Tom Cruse and his Pre-Cogs

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#589110

On 2016-07-12, benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 7/12/2016 7:06 PM, Snit wrote:
>> On 7/12/16, 3:37 PM, in article slrnnoasa3.8gb.jedi@nomad.mishnet,
>> "JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-07-10, Jeff-Relf.Me <> wrote:
>>>> <PRE Style='Font-Family: OCR A, monospace !important;'>
>>>> Why can't we disarm lunatics ?
>>>
>>>      It would require severe fascism.
>>
>> How about we just stop socializing the costs / risks of arms? Make those who
>> want guns pay for those costs?

    You're just advocating a different sort of fascism.

>
> Hey the gun-free crime-free USSR murdered millions and millions of their 
> own citizens. Who paid the cost of that?
>
> If you want to stop crimes BEFORE they happen, the answer is simple. You 
> simply put everyone in the country (except those and power and those who 
> work for them, natch) in prison. Worked in the (former) USSR. They had 
> an official crime rate of ZERO. You can only DREAM of something like that!


    Most gun crime (and crime in general) is driven by poverty. Getting rid
of guns won't get rid of thugs that can send you to the hospital regardless
of if they are carrying.

    Although, the externalities spread across ~100M gun owners probably would 
not be a problem. That's the problem with politically driven hysterics. 
Numeracy is usually the first thing to fly out the window.

    The numbers will be badly distorted to suit the agenda too.

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#589203

JEDIDIAH wrote:

>>> How about we just stop socializing the costs / risks of arms? Make those who
>>> want guns pay for those costs?
>
>    You're just advocating a different sort of fascism.

What "costs /risks" would need to be paid-for, anyway?  Someone
getting killed may be a human tragedy, but it is not a fiscal tragedy.

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#589205

chrisv wrote:

>JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
>>>> How about we just stop socializing the costs / risks of arms? Make those who
>>>> want guns pay for those costs?
>>
>>    You're just advocating a different sort of fascism.
>
>What "costs /risks" would need to be paid-for, anyway?  Someone
>getting killed may be a human tragedy, but it is not a fiscal tragedy.

It should be noted that the VAST majority of gun killings are
perpetrated by drug/gang criminals.  Good luck with getting them to
"pay for the costs" of their crimes.

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