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Gravity just "in" mass

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First post2016-06-17 01:10 -0700
Last post2016-06-21 00:51 -0700
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  Gravity just "in" mass john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-17 01:10 -0700
    Re: Gravity just "in" mass "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-06-17 03:46 -0700
    Re: Gravity just "in" mass moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-17 11:12 +0000
      Re: Gravity just "in" mass john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-17 05:28 -0700
        Re: Gravity just "in" mass Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-17 05:53 -0700
          Re: Gravity just "in" mass Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-06-17 10:38 -0700
            Re: Gravity just "in" mass Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-17 19:53 -0700
            Re: Gravity just "in" mass "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-06-17 23:21 -0700
            Re: Gravity just "in" mass HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 02:52 -0700
              Re: Gravity just "in" mass john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 05:08 -0700
                Re: Gravity just "in" mass HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 05:14 -0700
        Re: Gravity just "in" mass moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-17 14:54 +0000
          Re: Gravity just "in" mass Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-17 10:19 -0700
            Re: Gravity just "in" mass moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-17 17:37 +0000
              Re: Gravity just "in" mass Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 05:26 -0700
                Re: Gravity just "in" mass moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-18 13:59 +0000
                  Re: Gravity just "in" mass Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 07:15 -0700
                    Re: Gravity just "in" mass moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-18 14:57 +0000
                      Re: Gravity just "in" mass john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 08:57 -0700
                        Re: Gravity just "in" mass moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-18 19:15 +0000
                          Re: Gravity just "in" mass john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 12:24 -0700
                            Re: Gravity just "in" mass moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-18 19:39 +0000
                              Re: Gravity just "in" mass HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 13:14 -0700
                                Re: Gravity just "in" mass john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 16:12 -0700
                                  Re: Gravity just "in" mass john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 16:22 -0700
                                    Re: Gravity just "in" mass HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 17:39 -0700
                  Re: Gravity just "in" mass HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 07:30 -0700
                    Re: Gravity just "in" mass Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 07:55 -0700
                    Re: Gravity just "in" mass "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 18:00 -0700
                      Re: Gravity just "in" mass HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 18:10 -0700
                Re: Gravity just "in" mass HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 07:23 -0700
          Re: Gravity just "in" mass "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-06-17 23:25 -0700
            Re: Gravity just "in" mass john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 00:04 -0700
        Re: Gravity just "in" mass "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-06-17 23:18 -0700
        Re: Gravity just "in" mass jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-18 05:33 -0700
          Re: Gravity just "in" mass HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 07:26 -0700
    Re: Gravity just "in" mass ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-17 09:32 -0500
    Re: Gravity just "in" mass omnilobe@gmail.com - 2016-06-18 06:56 -0700
      Re: Gravity just "in" mass HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 07:27 -0700
      Re: Gravity just "in" mass noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 18:46 -0700
        onion\newt (how high is the index of refraction, 1.00003, 1.000003 etc. noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 14:16 -0700
    Re: Gravity just "in" mass "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 09:07 -0700
      Re: Gravity just "in" mass HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 09:27 -0700
      Re: Gravity just "in" mass "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 13:11 -0700
        Re: Gravity just "in" mass "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-06-21 15:35 -0700
          Re: Gravity just "in" mass benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-06-21 19:58 -0400
            Re: Gravity just "in" mass "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-06-21 22:50 -0700
    Re: Gravity just "in" mass "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 18:27 -0700
      Re: Gravity just "in" mass "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 00:11 -0700
        Re: Gravity just "in" mass john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 01:11 -0700
          Re: Gravity just "in" mass moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-19 14:44 +0000
            Re: Gravity just "in" mass john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 07:57 -0700
              Re: Gravity just "in" mass Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 08:56 -0700
          Re: Gravity just "in" mass "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 00:51 -0700

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#585514

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-18 12:24 -0700
Message-ID<d177b5ba-7e70-4cd6-8f8b-c24147c1ad2c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#585509
Michael
Letting atoms "arrange themselves" is
exactly what I am talking about.
No control because wrong knowledge-
atoms are not random.

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#585524

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-06-18 19:39 +0000
Message-ID<nk481u$f3u$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#585514
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Michael
>Letting atoms "arrange themselves" is
>exactly what I am talking about.
>No control because wrong knowledge-
>atoms are not random.

What, do you think chemists just toss stuff into a witch's caudron and
see what comes out?  No, they take deliberate steps to get exactly
what they want.

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#585533

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-18 13:14 -0700
Message-ID<38564528-945e-41d4-8511-29d709f63ccf@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#585524
Michael Moroney
- show quoted text -
What, do you think chemists just toss stuff into a witch's caudron and see what comes out? 
-----------

Hmmmm. Witches cauldron. Seems like John's little pharma meth lab... Honestly john is little better than an upgraded, kookier version of Bert. Sort of a polished turd if you will.

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#585565

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-18 16:12 -0700
Message-ID<ea56039f-8be9-4628-9c53-fccba97f7a00@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#585533
Better than HVAC's 
Vietnamese child sweatshop/whorehouse
opium den.

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#585566

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-18 16:22 -0700
Message-ID<e6499c90-45af-465b-bf67-ef0ba02f4b5f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#585565
HVAC
Why is it that you and your
world domination overlords
are so into sexual humiliation
and paedophilia?

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#585587

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-18 17:39 -0700
Message-ID<cb48e0bd-b33c-46e1-b4e5-44d4f2d0e334@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#585566
john
HVAC 
Why is it that you and your 
world domination overlords 
are so into sexual humiliation 
and paedophilia? 
----------

Please explain this John 

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#585443

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-18 07:30 -0700
Message-ID<f3605aa4-4a25-4cc3-8b9b-6dc212316c54@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#585438
Michael Moroney
Mahipal <mahip...@gmail.com> writes: 

>John presents neat unique ideas, you MMM just stomp on John. Let it go. 

John does have interesting ideas.  If he directed them properly it would 
be great.  But they just aren't physics. In fact, John hates physics. I 
still don't know why he hangs around in a group dedicated to something he 
hates, much less "contribute" to it. Unless his contributions are an 
attempt to sabotage physics somehow. 
-----------

John's retarded scribbling in this group only makes sense to babbling fuckwits and (so I am told) smokers of hashish

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#585446

FromMahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-18 07:55 -0700
Message-ID<f6cf23b8-7c4f-4d0e-af03-13b4c0ace398@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#585443
On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 10:30:31 AM UTC-4, HVAC wrote:
> Michael Moroney
> Mahipal <mahip...@gmail.com> writes: 
> 
> >John presents neat unique ideas, you MMM just stomp on John. Let it go. 
> 
> John does have interesting ideas.  If he directed them properly it would 
> be great.  But they just aren't physics. In fact, John hates physics. I 
> still don't know why he hangs around in a group dedicated to something he 
> hates, much less "contribute" to it. Unless his contributions are an 
> attempt to sabotage physics somehow. 
> -----------
> 
> John's retarded scribbling in this group only makes sense to
> babbling fuckwits and (so I am told) smokers of hashish

Told by whom Whom WHOM BitchHVAC? Got Twitter or FaceBlocked UsedUp IDs?

-- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: d(me) != 0 ... me alwa(y)s changes...”

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#585596

From"nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-18 18:00 -0700
Message-ID<81b7f976-d00d-4510-9cc3-ec6ffc185504@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#585443
On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 7:30:31 AM UTC-7, HVAC wrote:
> Michael Moroney
> Mahipal <mahip...@gmail.com> writes: 
> 
> >John presents neat unique ideas, you MMM just stomp on John. Let it go. 
> 
> John does have interesting ideas.  If he directed them properly it would 
> be great.  But they just aren't physics. In fact, John hates physics. I 
> still don't know why he hangs around in a group dedicated to something he 
> hates, much less "contribute" to it. Unless his contributions are an 
> attempt to sabotage physics somehow. 
> -----------
> 
> John's retarded scribbling in this group only makes sense to babbling
> fuckwits and (so I am told) smokers of hashish

  Hashish is a waste of money. I just toked a bowl of local bud* and John's bullshit is still bullshit.

* It's grown by a guy who's been selectively breeding and cloning pot for two decades. He's gotten really good at it. This particular strain is relatively long on THC and short on other cannabinoids- good shit, as the kids used to say.

  Really, I don't understand what you have against pot. It's not like I'm supporting murderous drug cartels.


  Mark L. Fergerson

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#585601

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-18 18:10 -0700
Message-ID<89f6a6ad-65bd-4dbc-a4ec-3783403f872f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#585596
> John's retarded scribbling in this group only makes sense to babbling 
> fuckwits and (so I am told) smokers of hashish 

  Hashish is a waste of money. I just toked a bowl of local bud* and John's bullshit is still bullshit. 

* It's grown by a guy who's been selectively breeding and cloning pot for two decades. He's gotten really good at it. This particular strain is relatively long on THC and short on other cannabinoids- good shit, as the kids used to say. 

  Really, I don't understand what you have against pot. It's not like I'm supporting murderous drug cartels. 


  Mark L. Fergerson 
--------

I don't give a fuck what anyone does. I just like making john mad.
You have your weed, I have john.

You win

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#585440

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-18 07:23 -0700
Message-ID<fdcdf54a-3bd1-4209-8362-64e66f255410@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#585419
Maple lips
Of course I am confused. I was born confused. I admit/remain being confused. 

John presents neat unique ideas, you MMM just stomp on John. Let it go. 

Maple Loops?! That name is going to be mine forever. Thanks Charlie! 
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=maple+loops+song Harper Sheen. 
If I was going to lie I'd say I wrote Stairway To Heaven... maple- licious... 

I like JohnJi! I like his fractals, his John's Limit. His wit/kindness. 
JohnJi owes me a Molson or two. I swear, what I wouldn't do for a beer. 
Norm! Cheers... where everybody knows you're Sam Alone... Get it?! 

MMM, at some point in life... you have to paint your own pictures, with 
words or otherwise, than just attempt trash those of others. Capisce 
(pronounced cah-PEESH)? In Hindi, Samjha? K(y)a Samjha, nahin Samjha... 
----------

John is a buffoon. You're only an idiot

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#585395

From"Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-17 23:25 -0700
Message-ID<82c8b8bd-8f5e-4cc5-81a6-7cd064af5618@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#585282
On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 5:55:41 PM UTC+3, Michael Moroney wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> >The question- where does the energy
> >come from?
> 
> E=mc^2.
> 
> Some of the mass of everyday objects is its gravitational potential energy 
> from the rest of the universe.

=============================================
I would not add it to the original mass of the object !!
because it is can come and go away 
ATB
Y.Porat
================================

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#585397

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-18 00:04 -0700
Message-ID<e69b73c5-32f6-4dab-b075-8c478f7af42f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#585395
Add, subtract, divide
WTF are you talking about?

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#585393

From"Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-17 23:18 -0700
Message-ID<b2452e0d-7b8e-4b94-a003-f7de1f2a03dc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#585269
On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 3:28:13 PM UTC+3, john wrote:
> The question- where does the energy
> come from?
===========================
Energy is 
MASS INMOTION !!



ENERGY IS CONSERVED--- **BECAUSE **MASS IS CONSERVED** !!
 AND THRE  IS JUSAT ONE KIND OF MASS !!

EVEN PHOTONS HAS MASS THE ONLY ONE MASS !!
NOT RELATIVISTIC
AND NOT SCHMELATIVISTIC MASS !!
-----------------------------------------------------
ATB
Y.Porat
=========================================

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#585422

Fromjay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com>
Date2016-06-18 05:33 -0700
Message-ID<1d98c7fc-00b4-4d60-a260-485b4df4395b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#585269
John wrote...
 > Where does the energy come from.

I agree that the idea that gravity comes  from within
doesnt add up. They ask for maths but cant supply any themselves.
They use emc2 but neglect to say where m comes from. Because
they dont know. 
Ill forgive them though as their religion and science dont mix
But if an atoms energy was actually coming from outside and
through.  Then emr supplies the answer. Provided its an infinite
non BB universe.
A good example of how a system can be sustained by external 
energy is a resonant system. It vibrates as a response to external
stimulus. Place a tray of water on a desk. No obvious raised 
areas of water. Apply a vibration and standing waves and nodal
points of water are observed. Those nodes are atoms.
You  dont need maths to explain resonance. It is observed.
Like interference patterns in water waves. Do you need maths
to say that light is a wave if it displays wave like properties?
No.

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#585441

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-18 07:26 -0700
Message-ID<97e96559-598e-4b98-9efc-e341e004e878@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#585422
jay moseley
John wrote... 
 > Where does the energy come from. 

I agree that the idea that gravity comes  from within 
doesnt add up. They ask for maths but cant supply any themselves. 
They use emc2 but neglect to say where m comes from. Because 
they dont know. 
----------

Jay, no offense but you're a fucking moron. No wonder you can't think properly

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#585280

FromClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com>
Date2016-06-17 09:32 -0500
Message-ID<112wmfhoo4cfc.1gqgivjzk5gdp.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#585254
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 01:10:51 -0700 (PDT), john wrote:

> What a serious logical disconnect!
> How can gravity just be "in" things,
> and if you get enough things together,
> they all crush each other?
> 
> Children!!!!! 
> Where do you think that energy
> comes from?

Energy involved in gravity is always equal give and
take.  
--
     "reyo rumo baghdAd ro be ham bAfteh ."

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#585436

Fromomnilobe@gmail.com
Date2016-06-18 06:56 -0700
Message-ID<5dd83bf2-23a0-41c8-867e-c03c2df436cc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#585254
On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 10:10:55 PM UTC-10, john wrote:

"Where do you think that energy comes from?"

Energy is not as basic as momentum. The expansion of the universe balances the shrinkage from gravity. That is a conservation of momentum. Space drains into protons and neutrons, time grows out. Momentum is space divided by time

momentum = space / time

Energy is not important. Momentum rules the balance of nature.

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#585442

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-18 07:27 -0700
Message-ID<b2154ec7-5e91-4508-829d-c0629f0551fb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#585436
9:57 AMomni...@gmail.com
On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 10:10:55 PM UTC-10, john wrote: 

"Where do you think that energy comes from?" 

Energy is not as basic as momentum. The expansion of the universe balances the shrinkage from gravity. That is a conservation of momentum. Space drains into protons and neutrons, time grows out. Momentum is space divided by time 

momentum = space / time 

Energy is not important. Momentum rules the balance of nature. 
----------

This is profoundly fucking stupid

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#585932

FromnoTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-20 18:46 -0700
Message-ID<2570395e-8731-442a-820d-8d700ae70c51@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#585436
Ubiverse does not expand per DopplershiftinG;
that is just the passage opf light through the medium of space
(index of refraction always less than one ... or,
greater than one, like, air is 1.0003 in base_ten

> The expansion of the universe balances the shrinkage from gravity. That is a conservation of momentum. Space drains into protons and neutrons, time grows out. Momentum is space divided by time
> 
> momentum = space / time
> 
> Energy is not important. Momentum rules the balance of nature.

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