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| Started by | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2016-06-13 09:09 -0700 |
| Last post | 2016-06-15 14:08 -0700 |
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NOTHING stays in a Black Hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-13 09:09 -0700
NOTHING stays in a Black Hole HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-13 09:34 -0700
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-13 16:38 +0000
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-13 09:58 -0700
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-13 10:35 -0700
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-13 11:08 -0700
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-13 20:02 +0000
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-13 14:17 -0700
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-14 02:58 +0000
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 02:22 -0700
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-14 12:26 +0000
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 06:32 -0700
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-14 16:48 +0000
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 10:46 -0700
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 12:56 -0700
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-15 00:39 +0000
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-15 00:23 -0700
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-15 14:39 +0000
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-15 11:52 -0700
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-15 20:29 +0000
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-15 16:38 -0700
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-15 17:17 -0700
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-16 01:54 +0000
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-15 19:24 -0700
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-16 12:59 +0000
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-16 06:06 -0700
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-16 01:40 +0000
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-13 19:50 +0000
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-06-13 14:42 -0700
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-06-13 14:45 -0700
Re: NOTHING stays in a Black Hole "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-06-15 14:08 -0700
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-15 16:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2b268e2a-f3a7-4ced-bd74-9f5fdb11f436@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #585028 |
Michael That's what's called a pyramid scheme. There's a reason that they fail. Do you know that reason?
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-15 17:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <658f6fd2-efc4-4d8d-b01b-cd317e5f0a5f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #585065 |
Michael The reason that pyramid schemes fail, and that BHs don't result from self-crushed matter, is that there is a LIMIT. There is a limit to how many customers are out there and there is a limit to how warped Space can get.
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-06-16 01:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <njt0th$evu$3@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #585069 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Michael >The reason that pyramid schemes fail, WHAT pyramid scheme? >and that BHs don't result from >self-crushed matter, >is that there is a LIMIT. Just because you say there is a limit doesn't mean there is one. Especially when you never provide any supporting evidence of your claims. >There is a limit to how many >customers are out there and >there is a limit to >how warped Space can get. Gravity is proportional to the inverse of the square of the distance. As the distance gets smaller and smaller, gravitation gets stronger and stronger. There is no evidence that gravity deviates from the inverse square law at very small distances. As long as this is true, there can be no limit to the force of gravity at extremely small distances. Normal matter (what you see daily) has atoms that are large enough so that the distance (between nuclei) is large enough so that this is not an issue. Not the case for exotic stuff like neutron star stuff.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-15 19:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bdd00230-e444-4b66-8b28-8bb1c3016ba3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #585085 |
Michael The point is: there aren't infinite people to buy, so although it starts fast, it hits a limit. Same with gravity- smaller bodies' gravity increases with volume, but as they get larger, the variance follows more and more the increase in apparent area. This is why larger planets and stars look to be made of lighter material- they're not
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-06-16 12:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nju7s6$lss$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #585089 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Michael >The point is: there aren't infinite people >to buy, so although it starts fast, it hits a limit. >Same with gravity- smaller bodies' gravity >increases with volume, but as they get larger, >the variance follows more and more the >increase in apparent area. >This is why larger planets >and stars look to be made >of lighter material- they're not I don't know WTF that is supposed to mean, but the gravitation of an object is proportional to its mass, not its volume. There is a theory that gas giants ranging in masses from somewhere between that of Saturn and Jupiter to the mass of the smallest star, will have a diameter is about constant (that of Jupiter), is that what you meant? That's just a secondary effect.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-16 06:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <001b217c-c634-4442-a101-39dc6cea8d0b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #585127 |
Michael I wrote very plainly. You do not wish to understand. You have always been so.
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-06-16 01:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <njt02g$evu$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #585065 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Michael >That's what's called a pyramid scheme. >There's a reason that they fail. >Do you know that reason? WHAT is a pyramid scheme? Learn to quote so people know what the heck you are talking about.
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-06-13 19:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <njn2r0$ats$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #584716 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> tarded: >John said >>Of course, if current theory is right, >>we will NEVER see a release of >>any kind from a BH. >Mikey: >And so far, we haven't. >John: >You're sure about that? Why yes. When was the last time we saw stuff coming out of a black hole? How about never?? >Or, everything that comes away >"just bounced off the accretion disc". >Right!! >Look again, Michael Produced by the accretion disk, not "bounced". The physics are apparently very complicated involving relativistic magnetic fields and so forth, but greater minds have been working the physics out. Maybe Google can find a good explanation how it works for you.
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| From | "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-13 14:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1d642fc3-53ad-44fa-a9e9-b739d14e9e4d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #584751 |
On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 12:51:39 PM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote: > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> tarded: > > >John said > >>Of course, if current theory is right, > >>we will NEVER see a release of > >>any kind from a BH. > > >Mikey: > >And so far, we haven't. > > >John: > >You're sure about that? > > Why yes. When was the last time we saw stuff coming out of a black hole? > How about never?? > > >Or, everything that comes away > >"just bounced off the accretion disc". > >Right!! > >Look again, Michael > > Produced by the accretion disk, not "bounced". The physics are apparently > very complicated involving relativistic magnetic fields and so forth, but > greater minds have been working the physics out. Maybe Google can find a > good explanation how it works for you. BHs have no hair.Area just outside black hole can both fall into BH and jet out into deep space.Hawking is wrong,and I'm on the money.Trebert
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| From | "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-13 14:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <60647555-0b25-41ce-95c2-f7fa39ded257@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #584708 |
On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 9:09:32 AM UTC-7, john wrote: > Scientists have observed a star > falling into a BH. > It shredded and immediately outgoing > jets formed. > > A Black Hole is a HOLE!! > NONE of our matter can be in there. > (Is there ever anything in a hole?) > > Black Holes trap neutrinos. When matter > falls in and is shredded, it combines > with these neutrinos to become high > energy particles that are shot back out > as jets. > > In regions of Space where there are excess > neutrinos, the accretion discs become > maximal, pulling the arms in by their gravity > until a tipping point is reached, and > the discs are released as the galactic > equivalent of entangled PHOTONS. > > Of course, if current theory is right, > we will NEVER see a release of > any kind from a BH. > > Ha ha. All BHs have spin.All BHs can spin close to c. This comes out of my two greatest theories.Can you name them? I have posted them often.TreBert
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| From | "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-15 14:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <13ed2b7b-3016-44c4-8f17-ec12a95af0a1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #584708 |
On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 9:09:32 AM UTC-7, john wrote: > Scientists have observed a star > falling into a BH. > It shredded and immediately outgoing > jets formed. > > A Black Hole is a HOLE!! > NONE of our matter can be in there. > (Is there ever anything in a hole?) > > Black Holes trap neutrinos. When matter > falls in and is shredded, it combines > with these neutrinos to become high > energy particles that are shot back out > as jets. > > In regions of Space where there are excess > neutrinos, the accretion discs become > maximal, pulling the arms in by their gravity > until a tipping point is reached, and > the discs are released as the galactic > equivalent of entangled PHOTONS. > > Of course, if current theory is right, > we will NEVER see a release of > any kind from a BH. > > Ha ha. BHs are always taking in energy.Space sees to it.Trebert
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