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  Book Claims BJ Is A Kook HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 22:32 -0700
    Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 02:35 -0400
      Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 04:22 -0700
        Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 05:42 -0700
          Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 05:58 -0700
            Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 12:07 -0400
          Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 13:18 -0500
            Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 15:20 -0400
              Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 12:33 -0700
                Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 21:20 -0400
              Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 16:13 -0500
                Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 21:33 -0400
              Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 16:14 -0500
                Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 21:35 -0400
                  Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 06:56 -0500
                    Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 05:07 -0700
                      Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 05:20 -0700
                        Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 05:38 -0700
                          Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 07:43 -0500
                            Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 06:05 -0700
                              Re: AntiCapitalist/AntiMale, AntiGovernment/AntiFemale Kooks. benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-04 11:51 -0400
                                Re: AntiCapitalist/AntiMale, AntiGovernment/AntiFemale Kooks. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-05-04 10:01 -0700
                            Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-03 09:33 -0400
                              Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 10:00 -0500
                          Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-03 09:25 -0400
                        Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-03 09:37 -0400
                      Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-03 09:15 -0400
                    Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-03 09:41 -0400
                      Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 10:10 -0500
        Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-05-02 08:14 -0500
          Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 06:25 -0700
            Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-05-02 09:18 -0500
              Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 07:57 -0700
                Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 12:00 -0400
                Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-05-02 11:03 -0500
                  Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 09:20 -0700
                    Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 12:39 -0400
                  Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-05-02 11:08 -0700
              Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 12:04 -0400
                Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 09:27 -0700
                  Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 12:43 -0400
                    Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 09:46 -0700
                      Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 13:37 -0400
                  Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-05-02 20:12 -0500
                    Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 18:50 -0700
                      Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 19:23 -0700
                        Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 23:20 -0400
                          Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-05-04 01:17 -0500
                            Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-05-03 23:29 -0700
                      Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 23:13 -0400
                    Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-05-02 19:05 -0700
                Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-05-02 20:05 -0500
                  Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-05-02 19:00 -0700
              Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-05-02 11:07 -0700
            Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 11:55 -0400
          Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 11:52 -0400
        Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 11:45 -0400
          Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 09:18 -0700
            Re: Book Claims BJ Is A Kook benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 12:38 -0400

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#574768 — Book Claims BJ Is A Kook

About 41 years ago, a man said he was abducted by a UFO while returning home from work in Arizona.
His name is Travis Walton, and he reappeared five days after his alleged abduction on November 5, 1975.

He's just one of the people featured in the upcoming photo book, "Phenomena," which is an investigative look into American beliefs about UFOs and aliens. The book is a project by Danish photographers Peter Helles Eriksen, Sara Galbiati and Tobias Selnaes Markussen.

"We just had a mutual interest in it," Galbiati said. "Not as us being believers and talking about how we believe in UFOs, but more in that we thought that it was interesting that there was this group of people that believes so much in this that they see the world completely different than the majority."

All of the images were shot last year in Arizona, New Mexico and Nevada, including Area 51, the remote U.S. Air Force facility near the small Nevada town of Rachel.

Photographers Peter Helles Eriksen, Sara Galbiati and Tobias Selnaes Markussen
Galbiati said each area they went to has some sort of significance or meaning. Phoenix, for instance, is where an alleged UFO sighting known as the Phoenix Lights was reported on March 13, 1997.

"In Denmark or in Europe, it's kind of taboo: If you believe in UFOs, you keep it to yourself. It's not something you go around talking about, because the majority will think that you're kind of mad," Galbiati said. "But in America, especially, of course, the places we went, it was more like an understanding -- 'If you believe in this, I'm not going to question you.' It's almost like a religion -- 'I won't judge you, everybody has their right to believe in what they want.' "

Galbiati, Eriksen and Markussen were pleasantly surprised at how many people let them into their homes and were open to sharing their stories. She said the three of them approached this project with openness. They were not out to ridicule or make fun of anyone for their beliefs. They were simply out to investigate a subject they had a "genuine curiosity" in.
"I can't tell somebody who's telling me a personal story about how they were abducted that it's a lie, because I wasn't there," Galbiati said. "And if that's what they believe and that's what they say they believe, I'm not going to tell them they're wrong."

The first night is documented in photo No. 5 of the gallery above. In it, a man holds a crystal pendulum during a group meeting about UFO and alien experiences.
"We thought maybe there would be like two people at this event, maximum. We thought this would be very small," Galbiati said. "But there were like 15 people there, so actually it was a big event. And people just told all kinds of stories. ... (It was) like we stepped into another world. A world we never knew of."

Galbiati said this project made them realize just how many conspiracies and theories exist within this community.
Some people they met, for example, believe that there are "35 different races" of aliens. Some said they think aliens are here on Earth, collaborating with our governments. And whether the aliens are friendly creatures or not is also up for debate.
"Some think that their agenda is not friendly, and some think that they're just here to protect Earth and the reason why they're here is actually to protect us from ourselves because we're a destructive race -- we made the atomic bomb, we made things that we can't quite control," Galbiati said. "So they're actually kind of afraid of what we would do with our Earth and the universe."

The name of the photo book stems from the idea that there is a phenomena of some kind that does exist. It might not be a physical one, BJ is a kook, but it is a commercial and social one, Galbiati said, noting the tourism, conspiracies and groups that make up this particular community.
"When you work as a photographer, when you do your own projects, after a while you get bored looking at your own material and you move on to another project," Galbiati said. "This project, it still fascinates me, and when I look at the pictures, I can feel the curiosity. I really think it comes through. I can still feel the intensity in it."

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#574772

On 05/02/2016 01:32 AM, HVAC lied:

(Snip story of fake gummint chaff in the wind)

> The name of the photo book stems from the idea that there is a
> phenomena of some kind that does exist. It might not be a physical
> one, BJ is a kook, but it is a commercial and social one, Galbiati
> said, noting the tourism, conspiracies and groups that make up this
> particular community. "When you work as a photographer, when you do
> your own projects, after a while you get bored looking at your own
> material and you move on to another project," Galbiati said. "This
> project, it still fascinates me, and when I look at the pictures, I
> can feel the curiosity. I really think it comes through. I can still
> feel the intensity in it."

A cover-up of all UFO information has been going on for almost a 
century. HVAC is part of that cover-up. One way it works is for 
intelligence specialists like HVAC to team with others who spread a vast 
array of kooky stories, publish FAKE books, claim FAKE aliens like 
Adamski a former spook who attracted a following of cultists worshiping 
his alien beings from "VENUS" (long before space probes proved it all 
bullshit). Even today specialists like HVAC will STILL mention Adamski 
as if it were real UFO facts. And then HVAC moves in to ridicule anyone 
believing all the bullshit planted stories. He also (as above) accuses 
people who don't believe as being believers and ridicules them too (Like 
me) knowing that most rubes won't bother to check what I actually said 
and will only remember BJ is a "kook". Tradecraft 101. It's all expertly 
done with your tax dollars to keep it all secret from you. Why? They 
won't tell.

Are UFOs real? YOU BET THEY ARE. I've seen them moving around the sky. 
I've watched them flying in formation, I've watched them doing moves 
KNOWN human technology (or "venus" or "swamp gas") can't handle and even 
better I've watch USAF fighter planes taking pictures of them. So why 
can the people paying for all this SEE those pictures? HVAC says forget 
it. Governments never lie so shut up and hand over your money.

HVAC has spoken and you MUST obey!

Can you dig it?

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#574784

BJ quacked
Are UFOs real? YOU BET THEY ARE. I've seen them moving around the sky. 
I've watched them flying in formation, I've watched them doing moves 
KNOWN human technology (or "venus" or "swamp gas") can't handle and even 
better I've watch USAF fighter planes taking pictures of them. So why 
can the people paying for all this SEE those pictures? HVAC says forget 
it. Governments never lie so shut up and hand over your money. 
------------

There have been orders of magnitude improvements in holographic technology. Every rational person knows this

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#574789

"Joints from the butcher" doesn't
magically become two identical six-fingered
hands.
How is the underground bunker at
Fort Worth?

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#574795

john
"Joints from the butcher" doesn't 
magically become
------------

Wait... Your deli man is also your source for little pharma?


two identical six-fingered 
hands. 
How is the underground bunker at 
Fort Worth? 
--------------

What in the blue fuck are you talking about? John, I don't care if you smoke your weed. But please try to limit it until the evening.

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#574841

On 05/02/2016 08:58 AM, HVAC wrote:
> john
> "Joints from the butcher" doesn't
> magically become
> ------------
>
> Wait... Your deli man is also your source for little pharma?
>
>
> two identical six-fingered
> hands.
> How is the underground bunker at
> Fort Worth?
> --------------
>
> What in the blue fuck are you talking about? John, I don't care if you smoke your weed. But please try to limit it until the evening.
>
John, The only diagnosis HVAC needs is to access his ESP superpowers to 
know that you are "insane". If HVAC says it and ClutterFreak confirms 
it, then there is no doubting it. It's science fact just like global 
warming.

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#574910

On 5/2/2016 7:42 AM, john wrote:
> "Joints from the butcher" doesn't
> magically become two identical six-fingered
> hands.

No, of course not. It takes a model builder to turn joints from a 
butcher into 6-fingered hands -- or at least the parts of those hands 
that were ostensibly dissected on film.

Of course, the "surgeon" in that film was identified as a theatrical 
model builder.

> How is the underground bunker at
> Fort Worth?
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#574926

On 05/02/2016 02:18 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 5/2/2016 7:42 AM, john wrote:
>> "Joints from the butcher" doesn't
>> magically become two identical six-fingered
>> hands.
>
> No, of course not. It takes a model builder to turn joints from a
> butcher into 6-fingered hands -- or at least the parts of those hands
> that were ostensibly dissected on film.
>
> Of course, the "surgeon" in that film was identified as a theatrical
> model builder.
>
>> How is the underground bunker at
>> Fort Worth?

Odd, John doesn't understand that the government cover-up means that 
fake kooky stories are spewed out by the ton. They put them out there so 
they can make fun (HVAC) of anyone who even discusses them, let alone 
believes them.

Basically, when it comes to UFOs, if you haven't seen it yourself, it's 
probably bullshit or at least must be assumed to be so as a first position.

This is what disclosure is all about.

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#574928

BJ quacked
Odd, John doesn't understand that the government cover-up means that 
fake kooky stories are spewed out by the ton. They put them out there so 
they can make fun (HVAC) of anyone who even discusses them, let alone 
believes them. 
----------

So if the story is fake, it's fake... But if it's real, it's fake too?

This is so confusing.

I'm gonna give myself a what what

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#575028

On 05/02/2016 03:33 PM, HVAC wrote:
> BJ quacked
> Odd, John doesn't understand that the government cover-up means that
> fake kooky stories are spewed out by the ton. They put them out there so
> they can make fun (HVAC) of anyone who even discusses them, let alone
> believes them.
> ----------
>
> So if the story is fake, it's fake... But if it's real, it's fake too?
>
> This is so confusing.
>
> I'm gonna give myself a what what

It's simple hardblow. If a story is fake, it's fake. If you you are 
telling the story then it's also fake.

Gimmee five!

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#574962

On 5/2/2016 2:20 PM, benj wrote:
> On 05/02/2016 02:18 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 5/2/2016 7:42 AM, john wrote:
>>> "Joints from the butcher" doesn't
>>> magically become two identical six-fingered
>>> hands.
>>
>> No, of course not. It takes a model builder to turn joints from a
>> butcher into 6-fingered hands -- or at least the parts of those hands
>> that were ostensibly dissected on film.
>>
>> Of course, the "surgeon" in that film was identified as a theatrical
>> model builder.
>>
>>> How is the underground bunker at
>>> Fort Worth?
>
> Odd, John doesn't understand that the government cover-up means that
> fake kooky stories are spewed out by the ton. They put them out there so
> they can make fun (HVAC) of anyone who even discusses them, let alone
> believes them.

And YOUR kookiness is believing that if there's a fake kooky story out 
there, then it was fabricated by the government in a cover-up campaign. 
Doesn't it occur to you that there are non-government hacks, nuts, and 
fraudsters that love putting out fake kooky stories for fun and profit?

>
> Basically, when it comes to UFOs, if you haven't seen it yourself, it's
> probably bullshit or at least must be assumed to be so as a first position.
>
> This is what disclosure is all about.
>
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#575041

On 05/02/2016 05:13 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 5/2/2016 2:20 PM, benj wrote:
>> On 05/02/2016 02:18 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> On 5/2/2016 7:42 AM, john wrote:
>>>> "Joints from the butcher" doesn't
>>>> magically become two identical six-fingered
>>>> hands.
>>>
>>> No, of course not. It takes a model builder to turn joints from a
>>> butcher into 6-fingered hands -- or at least the parts of those hands
>>> that were ostensibly dissected on film.
>>>
>>> Of course, the "surgeon" in that film was identified as a theatrical
>>> model builder.
>>>
>>>> How is the underground bunker at
>>>> Fort Worth?
>>
>> Odd, John doesn't understand that the government cover-up means that
>> fake kooky stories are spewed out by the ton. They put them out there so
>> they can make fun (HVAC) of anyone who even discusses them, let alone
>> believes them.
>
> And YOUR kookiness is believing that if there's a fake kooky story out
> there, then it was fabricated by the government in a cover-up campaign.
> Doesn't it occur to you that there are non-government hacks, nuts, and
> fraudsters that love putting out fake kooky stories for fun and profit?

And YOUR irrationality is saying that this is what I said. I DID NOT say 
that "all" fake stories are by the government. Obviously to a rational 
person it's obvious that ANYONE can make up a fake story. So you tell 
us, Odd, since you have ESP and superpowers like HVAC, just what 
percentage of the fake stories our there are from government sources and 
which are from freelance kookers? OF course you can provide references 
to back up your assertions.

Listing your clearance level would be a good start toward credibility.

>> Basically, when it comes to UFOs, if you haven't seen it yourself, it's
>> probably bullshit or at least must be assumed to be so as a first
>> position.
>>
>> This is what disclosure is all about.

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#574964

On 5/2/2016 2:20 PM, benj wrote:
> Basically, when it comes to UFOs, if you haven't seen it yourself, it's
> probably bullshit or at least must be assumed to be so as a first position.

Exactly. Which is why some reports do not get scientific investigation. 
Because they are assumed (as a first position) to be bullshit.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#575042

On 05/02/2016 05:14 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 5/2/2016 2:20 PM, benj wrote:
>> Basically, when it comes to UFOs, if you haven't seen it yourself, it's
>> probably bullshit or at least must be assumed to be so as a first
>> position.
>
> Exactly. Which is why some reports do not get scientific investigation.
> Because they are assumed (as a first position) to be bullshit.

So why can't you understand that assuming that reports are bullshit as a 
first position isn't the same as using superpowers to KNOW they are 
bullshit and therefore refuse to even investigate them. The later is 
obviously anti-science religious kookery.

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#575127

On 5/2/2016 8:35 PM, benj wrote:
> On 05/02/2016 05:14 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 5/2/2016 2:20 PM, benj wrote:
>>> Basically, when it comes to UFOs, if you haven't seen it yourself, it's
>>> probably bullshit or at least must be assumed to be so as a first
>>> position.
>>
>> Exactly. Which is why some reports do not get scientific investigation.
>> Because they are assumed (as a first position) to be bullshit.
>
> So why can't you understand that assuming that reports are bullshit as a
> first position isn't the same as using superpowers to KNOW they are
> bullshit and therefore refuse to even investigate them.

If you assume a report is bullshit as first position, then you are going 
to invariably investigate it anyway? How do you find the time to 
investigate all those bullshit reports?

> The later is
> obviously anti-science religious kookery.
>
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#575131

Odd Bodkin
- hide quoted text -
On 5/2/2016 8:35 PM, benj wrote: 
> On 05/02/2016 05:14 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: 
>> On 5/2/2016 2:20 PM, benj wrote: 
>>> Basically, when it comes to UFOs, if you haven't seen it yourself, it's 
>>> probably bullshit or at least must be assumed to be so as a first 
>>> position. 
>> 
>> Exactly. Which is why some reports do not get scientific investigation. 
>> Because they are assumed (as a first position) to be bullshit. 
> 
> So why can't you understand that assuming that reports are bullshit as a 
> first position isn't the same as using superpowers to KNOW they are 
> bullshit and therefore refuse to even investigate them. 

If you assume a report is bullshit as first position, then you are going 
to invariably investigate it anyway? How do you find the time to 
investigate all those bullshit reports? 
----------

To take BJ's idea to its ad absurdum conclusion, we would be vectoring fighter jets to reports of Santa Claus on a ballistic track over the north pole.

To even suggest that while insulting science such as LIGO, we SHOULD be investigating ghosts and ESP, BJ has shown himself to be 100% anti science.

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#575135

Speaking of jets, weren't you up in
a Chemtrail jet, HVAC?
Or were you involved when they were
using helicopters?
No I'm sure you said you
were talking with a CHEMTRAILS pilot!!

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#575139

8:20 AMjohn
Speaking of jets, weren't you up in 
a Chemtrail jet, HVAC? 
Or were you involved when they were 
using helicopters? 
No I'm sure you said you 
were talking with a CHEMTRAILS pilot!! 
---------------

John, I'm trying to ignore this belief you and BJ have in chemtrails. It's embarrassing. I mean, isn't the world trade centers being blown up with nukes enough? Or ghosts? Or ESP?

If you really want me to utterly destroy you on yet another kooky belief, I will.

I'm just trying to save you from yet another newsgroup beating. 

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#575140

On 5/3/2016 7:38 AM, HVAC wrote:
>
> 8:20 AMjohn
> Speaking of jets, weren't you up in
> a Chemtrail jet, HVAC?
> Or were you involved when they were
> using helicopters?
> No I'm sure you said you
> were talking with a CHEMTRAILS pilot!!
> ---------------
>
> John, I'm trying to ignore this belief you and BJ have in chemtrails. It's embarrassing.
> I mean, isn't the world trade centers being blown up with nukes enough? Or ghosts? Or ESP?
>
> If you really want me to utterly destroy you on yet another kooky belief, I will.
>
> I'm just trying to save you from yet another newsgroup beating.
>

I'm struggling to understand the anti-government heebie jeebies that 
John and Ben exhibit. It seems like everytime someone has a thought of 
"That looks weird" or "I didn't think things would behave that way" then 
people like John jump all over it, declaring that the government is up 
to Something Bad, Something Covert. It's like they're hunting for things 
to be spooked about regarding the government. Why? What is it about the 
government that gives people like John the creeps?


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#575142

Odd Bodkin
I'm struggling to understand the anti-government heebie jeebies that 
John and Ben exhibit. It seems like everytime someone has a thought of 
"That looks weird" or "I didn't think things would behave that way" then 
people like John jump all over it, declaring that the government is up 
to Something Bad, Something Covert. It's like they're hunting for things 
to be spooked about regarding the government. Why? What is it about the 
government that gives people like John the creeps? 
-----------

Yes. Their hate of the government gives me a case of the hebrew jeebies too.

It's because they are seeking attention. The notion that they are anti government and the rest of us are 'sheeple', gives them a sense of self worth they are lacking in their workaday lives.

It's attention seeking most common among conspiracy kooks and 16 year old girls

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