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Why is HVAC so stupid?

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  Why is HVAC so stupid? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 07:35 -0700
    Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 10:00 -0500
      Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 08:07 -0700
        Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 10:15 -0500
    Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-03-21 15:17 +0000
      Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 09:02 -0700
        Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-03-21 16:23 +0000
          Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 09:44 -0700
            Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 11:54 -0500
              Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-03-21 18:08 +0000
            Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 09:55 -0700
              Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 10:10 -0700
                Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 11:41 -0700
                  Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 15:02 -0400
                  Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 13:20 -0700
                    Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 14:46 -0700
                      Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 14:54 -0700
                      Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 23:54 -0400
                Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 23:37 -0400
              Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 15:01 -0400
    Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 23:27 -0400
      Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 07:49 -0500
        Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 06:28 -0700
          Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 09:12 -0500
            Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 07:20 -0700
              Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 10:05 -0500
                Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 09:03 -0700
                  Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 09:15 -0700
                    Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 14:11 -0400
              Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 08:09 -0700
                Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 08:42 -0700
                  Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 11:14 -0500
                  Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-03-22 16:56 +0000
                Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 14:08 -0400
            Re: Why is HVAC so stupid? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 14:33 -0400

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#564122 — Why is HVAC so stupid?

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-03-21 07:35 -0700
SubjectWhy is HVAC so stupid?
Message-ID<c6b97c37-5d98-48a2-9168-85a36359a7c1@googlegroups.com>
This goes for Odd and Michael, also:
why would you cling to a gravity
theory that is obviously wrong?
When you do an experiment to test
a theory, and the experiment says
your theory is wrong, why would you
think it's alright to bring in a whole
new reality to bolster it? 

We are doing physics to understand
matter- Oh!- the matter isn't behaving!
There must be perfectly-placed INVISIBLE
matter everywhere OUR theory needs
it to be!! Yeah! That's it!

Are you guys Bots, or what?
You're INSANE

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#564134

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-03-21 10:00 -0500
Message-ID<ncp2ar$1s3u$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#564122
On 3/21/2016 9:35 AM, john wrote:
> This goes for Odd and Michael, also:
> why would you cling to a gravity
> theory that is obviously wrong?

Here's the thing, John. In science, if a theory is consistent with 
experiment, it's not obviously wrong.

> When you do an experiment to test
> a theory, and the experiment says
> your theory is wrong, why would you
> think it's alright to bring in a whole
> new reality to bolster it?

John, as I've explained before, when a theory doesn't match observation, 
there are ALWAYS two things to investigate:
- The inputs fed into the theory are right, and the theory is wrong
- The inputs fed into the theory are wrong, and the theory is right

Now, John, can you please explain to me why only ONE of those is the 
proper assumption to make, in your view of science?

>
> We are doing physics to understand
> matter- Oh!- the matter isn't behaving!
> There must be perfectly-placed INVISIBLE
> matter everywhere OUR theory needs
> it to be!! Yeah! That's it!
>
> Are you guys Bots, or what?
> You're INSANE
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#564138

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-03-21 08:07 -0700
Message-ID<efcf678b-169c-4475-8725-e8f2c2a4921a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#564134
Odd said
", John, can you please explain to me why only ONE of those is the 
proper assumption to make, .."
How have you not been hit by a bus?

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#564145

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-03-21 10:15 -0500
Message-ID<ncp36e$1tfh$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#564138
On 3/21/2016 10:07 AM, john wrote:
> Odd said
> ", John, can you please explain to me why only ONE of those is the
> proper assumption to make, .."
> How have you not been hit by a bus?
>

John, scientists explore BOTH options. Are you saying that scientists 
should have all been hit by a bus a long time ago?

Or are you saying the scientists actually agree with you, and that only 
one option gets attention?


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#564146

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-03-21 15:17 +0000
Message-ID<ncp39j$mfb$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#564122
OK, I'll bite.

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>This goes for Odd and Michael, also:
>why would you cling to a gravity
>theory that is obviously wrong?

"Obviously" wrong?

Well, one reason to believe it is because it's much MUCH less wrong than
any form of LeSage gravity!

>When you do an experiment to test
>a theory, and the experiment says
>your theory is wrong, why would you
>think it's alright to bring in a whole
>new reality to bolster it?

I don't know.  Why do you keep doing that?

>We are doing physics to understand
>matter- Oh!- the matter isn't behaving!
>There must be perfectly-placed INVISIBLE
>matter everywhere OUR theory needs
>it to be!! Yeah! That's it!

You see a cardboard box.  Cardboard boxes are light.  You pick up the box.
You find out it's very heavy! Oh!- the matter isn't behaving! There must
be perfectly-placed INVISIBLE matter in the box! Yeah! That's it!

>Are you guys Bots, or what?
>You're INSANE

I'm not the one with spinny thing hallucinations, John.

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#564164

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-03-21 09:02 -0700
Message-ID<6907b2bc-c996-4d51-aa62-f6a67c1508f1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#564146
Paradyme shift, Michael.
Wouldnt want to be ya

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#564171

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-03-21 16:23 +0000
Message-ID<ncp75k$e2b$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#564164
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Paradyme shift, Michael.
>Wouldnt want to be ya

What paradigm shift, John?  Do you think there's a paradigm shift of
science from using the scientific method, to partaking of 'shrooms
and recording the resulting hallucinations?  Or something equally
bizarre?

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#564177

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-03-21 09:44 -0700
Message-ID<59287ed1-e2ad-4a71-938f-8994ce501cf3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#564171
Mike said"What paradigm shift"?

Ohoh.
Rude
Awakening 
Coming

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#564180

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-03-21 11:54 -0500
Message-ID<ncp903$989$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#564177
On 3/21/2016 11:44 AM, john wrote:
> Mike said"What paradigm shift"?
>
> Ohoh.
> Rude
> Awakening
> Coming
>

John predicts the future.
John has firsthand experience with a crystal ball.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#564208

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-03-21 18:08 +0000
Message-ID<ncpdad$r2u$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#564180
Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> writes:

>On 3/21/2016 11:44 AM, john wrote:
>> Mike said"What paradigm shift"?
>>
>> Ohoh.
>> Rude
>> Awakening
>> Coming
>>

>John predicts the future.
>John has firsthand experience with a crystal ball.

And he has first-hand experience of the structure of atoms!

John, I don't care if they are considered natural, organic and vegan.
Lay off the 'shrooms!!!

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#564182

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2016-03-21 09:55 -0700
Message-ID<7d94808b-7723-4710-8f21-e11b3d7634bc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#564177
john
Mike said"What paradigm shift"? 

Ohoh. 
Rude 
Awakening 
Coming 
-----------

Was the rude awakening when you were shown the correct spelling of paradigm?

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#564186

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-03-21 10:10 -0700
Message-ID<19b49b13-d954-4567-b62f-898737910451@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#564182
HVAC
You're too stupid to post here

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#564225

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2016-03-21 11:41 -0700
Message-ID<3ec45731-81d1-4813-a5f3-f5c8d2c7a063@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#564186
john
HVAC 
You're too stupid to post here 
----------

I understand John

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#564248

Frombenj <none@gmail.com>
Date2016-03-21 15:02 -0400
Message-ID<%yXHy.117000$Io5.11575@fx12.iad>
In reply to#564225
On 03/21/2016 02:41 PM, HVAC wrote:
> john
> HVAC
> You're too stupid to post here
> ----------
>
> I understand John
>
John, HVAC is living proof that NOBDOY is too stupid to post here.

Also a fine example that nobody is too big a nutcase to post here either.

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#564259

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-03-21 13:20 -0700
Message-ID<ec73fc7a-a67f-4b05-ac1d-4a2232c236b6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#564225
HVAC
You're too stupid to understand

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#564279

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2016-03-21 14:46 -0700
Message-ID<2cecc456-34da-4dd9-a436-f379a5af6732@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#564259
john
HVAC 
You're too stupid to understand
----------

Understood

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#564281

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-03-21 14:54 -0700
Message-ID<3f8a5dfe-d46f-460c-a29c-9823924ddcb1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#564279
Impossible 
I have spoken
As new moderator for this group,
I have made it understood that
you understand nothing.
Understood?
Stand down, pussy

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#564350

Frombenj <none@gmail.com>
Date2016-03-21 23:54 -0400
Message-ID<sl3Iy.15498$pE.14789@fx40.iad>
In reply to#564279
On 03/21/2016 05:46 PM, HVAC wrote:
> john
> HVAC
> You're too stupid to understand
> ----------
>
> Understood

Isn't HVAC so cute? Little cupcake sure knows how to play with words.
He's a "wordsmith" he told us. He's also Gay.



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#564342

Frombenj <none@gmail.com>
Date2016-03-21 23:37 -0400
Message-ID<W53Iy.43823$GB1.39902@fx28.iad>
In reply to#564186
On 03/21/2016 01:10 PM, john wrote:
> HVAC
> You're too stupid to post here
>
True, but he posts anyway. He thinks because he reads grocery tabloids 
and knows all the pro wrestlers that he's a scientist.



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#564247

Frombenj <none@gmail.com>
Date2016-03-21 15:01 -0400
Message-ID<OxXHy.116999$Io5.76942@fx12.iad>
In reply to#564182
On 03/21/2016 12:55 PM, HVAC wrote:
> john
> Mike said"What paradigm shift"?
>
> Ohoh.
> Rude
> Awakening
> Coming
> -----------
>
> Was the rude awakening when you were shown the correct spelling of paradigm?
>
Spelling is something those with an "education" in minor liberals arts 
colleges can handle.

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