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  Cart Before Horse James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 14:24 -0800
    Re: Cart Before Horse Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 16:34 -0600
      Re: Cart Before Horse "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 14:47 -0800
    Re: Cart Before Horse "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 14:46 -0800
    Re: Cart Before Horse Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-03-01 17:18 -0600
    Cart Before Horse HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 17:51 -0800
    Re: Cart Before Horse James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 15:43 -0800
      Re: Cart Before Horse Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-03-02 20:19 -0600

#558440 — Cart Before Horse

http://scottishsceptic.co.uk/2011/08/26/how-to-get-off-the-ground-with-nothing-but-water-almost/#comment-39192

James McGinn says:
1st March 2016 at 9:52 pm
In response to this:
https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2015/06/11/atmospheric-convection-what-does-it-mean/comment-page-8/#comment-114224

suricat says: March 1, 2016 at 2:21 am

Ray: Are you putting the 'cart before the horse' here . . .

Jim: I am putting the horse (jet streams) in front of the cart (Hadley cells):

By way of isolating its contents from the friction of the atmosphere, powered by differential pressure, spanning thousands of miles, the jet streams facilitate and conserve the momentum of atmospheric flow. The energy thereof is what pulls the rest of the atmosphere along with storms being the proximate mechanism that distributes the low pressure energy that itself is a consequence of the Bernoulli effect in conjunction with the high wind speeds of jet streams. Accordingly, Hadley cells are delineated by jet streams and the internal flow of Hadley cells is pulled along by the storm producing tributaries of jet streams-and that even includes storms in the tropics and severe weather, like hurricanes.

Ray: Jet streams-vortices???

Jim: Jet steams and vortices (tornadoes) are the same thing. The reason we don't notice the vortices of the jet stream as much is because vortices require wind shear (between moist bodes of air and dry bodies of air) and 99.9% of the wind shear on this planet exists at the boundary between the troposphere and the stratosphere, which is far above us. Moisture is intrinsic to the process, that is why storms are wet. Convection plays no role at all.

Ray: Let's get at least one thing straight! 'Surface tension' is only apparent in the 'liquid' phase of H2O!

Jim: I agree. And, as I'm sure you realized, there is no shortage of liquid (aerosol) H2O in the atmosphere. But the tricky part is figuring out how its surface becomes maximized to produce a strong plasma that can subsequently be rolled into the tubes that effectuate the, above mentioned, isolation from the friction of the atmosphere. The solution that I came up with involves wind shear along moist/dry and flat, smooth boundaries like we find at the top of the troposphere-specific details of which are available in my book on Amazon:

If you are interested, you could find my book by doing a search on the following:
James McGinn Vortex Phase Tornado Twist

Cheers,

James McGinn
Solving Tornadoes
Reply

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#558443

On 3/1/16 4:24 PM, James McGinn wrote:
> Jet steams and vortices (tornadoes) are the same thing


   No, this is not true--jet streams and tornadoes are distinctly
   different phenomena physically, mathematically and linguistically.


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#558447

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 2:34:58 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 3/1/16 4:24 PM, James McGinn wrote:
> > Jet steams and vortices (tornadoes) are the same thing
> 
> 
>    No, this is not true--jet streams and tornadoes are distinctly
>    different phenomena physically, mathematically and linguistically.
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
> to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
> community, and physics-related social issues.

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#558446

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 2:24:31 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote:
> http://scottishsceptic.co.uk/2011/08/26/how-to-get-off-the-ground-with-nothing-but-water-almost/#comment-39192
> 
> James McGinn says:
> 1st March 2016 at 9:52 pm
> In response to this:
> https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2015/06/11/atmospheric-convection-what-does-it-mean/comment-page-8/#comment-114224
> 
> suricat says: March 1, 2016 at 2:21 am
> 
> Ray: Are you putting the 'cart before the horse' here . . .
> 
> Jim: I am putting the horse (jet streams) in front of the cart (Hadley cells):
> 
> By way of isolating its contents from the friction of the atmosphere, powered by differential pressure, spanning thousands of miles, the jet streams facilitate and conserve the momentum of atmospheric flow. The energy thereof is what pulls the rest of the atmosphere along with storms being the proximate mechanism that distributes the low pressure energy that itself is a consequence of the Bernoulli effect in conjunction with the high wind speeds of jet streams. Accordingly, Hadley cells are delineated by jet streams and the internal flow of Hadley cells is pulled along by the storm producing tributaries of jet streams-and that even includes storms in the tropics and severe weather, like hurricanes.
> 
> Ray: Jet streams-vortices???
> 
> Jim: Jet steams and vortices (tornadoes) are the same thing. The reason we don't notice the vortices of the jet stream as much is because vortices require wind shear (between moist bodes of air and dry bodies of air) and 99.9% of the wind shear on this planet exists at the boundary between the troposphere and the stratosphere, which is far above us. Moisture is intrinsic to the process, that is why storms are wet. Convection plays no role at all.
> 
> Ray: Let's get at least one thing straight! 'Surface tension' is only apparent in the 'liquid' phase of H2O!
> 
> Jim: I agree. And, as I'm sure you realized, there is no shortage of liquid (aerosol) H2O in the atmosphere. But the tricky part is figuring out how its surface becomes maximized to produce a strong plasma that can subsequently be rolled into the tubes that effectuate the, above mentioned, isolation from the friction of the atmosphere. The solution that I came up with involves wind shear along moist/dry and flat, smooth boundaries like we find at the top of the troposphere-specific details of which are available in my book on Amazon:
> 
> If you are interested, you could find my book by doing a search on the following:
> James McGinn Vortex Phase Tornado Twist
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> James McGinn
> Solving Tornadoes
> Reply

Jet Stream gives motion to all type storms.It creates vortexes with there great vacuums.They cool the water vapor and create hail.Warm and cold air do not mix well.They create layers. Get the picture  Trebert

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#558459

On 3/1/2016 4:24 PM, James McGinn wrote:
>

>
> Jim: I am putting the horse (jet streams) in front of the cart
> (Hadley cells):
>
> By way of isolating its contents from the friction of the atmosphere,

no such thing as friction of the atmosphere...

> powered by differential pressure, spanning thousands of miles, the
> jet streams facilitate and conserve the momentum of atmospheric flow.
> The energy thereof is what pulls the rest of the atmosphere along

no, no, no...  what does it "pull on" ?...

> with storms being the proximate mechanism that distributes the low
> pressure energy

no, storms are a result not a cause...


that itself is a consequence of the Bernoulli effect


NO, Bernoulli effect too small !


> in conjunction with the high wind speeds of jet streams.

...conjunction... ?


> Accordingly,
> Hadley cells are delineated by jet streams

no, convection currents...


> and the internal flow of
> Hadley cells is pulled along

no, what does it "pull on?"

> by the storm producing tributaries of
> jet streams

no no no, a jet stream is not a water stream


> -and that even includes storms in the tropics and severe
> weather, like hurricanes.
>
> Ray: Jet streams-vortices???


James you are typing all this stuff up yourself and not reading it 
either, there was NO MENTION of streams-vortices at all.


You are making up both sides of the conversation !

that explains why you post here.


It must be frustrating that you have reach the end of your intellect.

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#558485

Ya. I always put the car before the whores

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#558724

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 2:24:31 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote:
> http://scottishsceptic.co.uk/2011/08/26/how-to-get-off-the-ground-with-nothing-but-water-almost/#comment-39192
> 
> James McGinn says:
> 1st March 2016 at 9:52 pm
> In response to this:
> https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2015/06/11/atmospheric-convection-what-does-it-mean/comment-page-8/#comment-114224
> 
> suricat says: March 1, 2016 at 2:21 am
> 
> Ray: Are you putting the 'cart before the horse' here . . .
> 
> Jim: I am putting the horse (jet streams) in front of the cart (Hadley cells):
> 
> By way of isolating its contents from the friction of the atmosphere, powered by differential pressure, spanning thousands of miles, the jet streams facilitate and conserve the momentum of atmospheric flow. The energy thereof is what pulls the rest of the atmosphere along with storms being the proximate mechanism that distributes the low pressure energy that itself is a consequence of the Bernoulli effect in conjunction with the high wind speeds of jet streams. Accordingly, Hadley cells are delineated by jet streams and the internal flow of Hadley cells is pulled along by the storm producing tributaries of jet streams-and that even includes storms in the tropics and severe weather, like hurricanes.
> 
> Ray: Jet streams-vortices???
> 
> Jim: Jet steams and vortices (tornadoes) are the same thing. The reason we don't notice the vortices of the jet stream as much is because vortices require wind shear (between moist bodes of air and dry bodies of air) and 99.9% of the wind shear on this planet exists at the boundary between the troposphere and the stratosphere, which is far above us. Moisture is intrinsic to the process, that is why storms are wet. Convection plays no role at all.
> 
> Ray: Let's get at least one thing straight! 'Surface tension' is only apparent in the 'liquid' phase of H2O!
> 
> Jim: I agree. And, as I'm sure you realized, there is no shortage of liquid (aerosol) H2O in the atmosphere. But the tricky part is figuring out how its surface becomes maximized to produce a strong plasma that can subsequently be rolled into the tubes that effectuate the, above mentioned, isolation from the friction of the atmosphere. The solution that I came up with involves wind shear along moist/dry and flat, smooth boundaries like we find at the top of the troposphere-specific details of which are available in my book on Amazon:
> 
> If you are interested, you could find my book by doing a search on the following:
> James McGinn Vortex Phase Tornado Twist
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
James McGinn
> 
Solving Tornadoes
> Reply

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#558778

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