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| Started by | Juan Sebastián <jseb@montserrat.info> |
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| First post | 2016-01-29 10:43 +0000 |
| Last post | 2016-01-29 11:48 -0800 |
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Gravity needs NO Matter Juan Sebastián <jseb@montserrat.info> - 2016-01-29 10:43 +0000
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 03:15 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter "Reggie Harrison" <invalud@example.com> - 2016-01-29 07:18 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 07:29 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 10:40 -0600
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 08:58 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 12:57 -0500
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 10:16 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 10:32 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter "Reggie Harrison" <invalud@example.com> - 2016-01-30 17:15 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 17:37 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 14:12 -0600
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 13:39 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 15:56 -0600
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 15:31 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 17:43 -0600
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 16:27 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 16:50 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 12:28 -0600
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 23:50 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 23:41 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 05:26 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 12:05 -0500
Re: Ben Jacoby's poverty. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 13:58 -0500
Re: Ben Jacoby's poverty. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 14:17 -0500
Re: Ben Jacoby's poverty. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 14:44 -0600
Re: Ben Jacoby's poverty. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 02:36 -0500
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 23:39 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 10:05 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 14:15 -0500
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 07:40 -0600
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter Juan Sebastián <jseb@montserrat.info> - 2016-01-29 13:50 +0000
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 06:06 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 08:26 -0600
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 08:33 -0600
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 07:09 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 10:17 -0600
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 06:27 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 12:22 -0500
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 11:28 -0600
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 13:41 -0500
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 13:36 -0600
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 02:30 -0500
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 07:20 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-30 14:07 +0100
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 07:21 -0800
Mass (was: Gravity needs NO Matter) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-31 19:18 +0100
Re: Mass (was: Gravity needs NO Matter) Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 13:30 -0800
Re: Mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-31 23:31 +0100
Re: Mass Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 14:58 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 22:03 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-01 21:50 +0100
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 23:08 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 06:29 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 13:45 -0600
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-31 23:38 +0100
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 08:13 -0600
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-01-29 16:44 +0100
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 07:25 -0800
edit subjectif noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-02-01 13:22 -0800
Re: Gravity needs NO Matter "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 11:48 -0800
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| From | Juan Sebastián <jseb@montserrat.info> |
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| Date | 2016-01-29 10:43 +0000 |
| Subject | Gravity needs NO Matter |
| Message-ID | <n8ffnu$3uj$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
An error, many of them are doing in Relativity, is saying that mass (instead of Matter) is bending space and time. However, this actually is not an error, but essentially a 2nd Order error they are making (an Error of an Error). Indeed, the only property of Matter, applicable to this Mysterious process of Bending space and time, may only be The Mass. This at a first cast of the eye over, is not significant, but as shown above, is crucial understanding Gravity and what is going on. Shockingly, it means that Matter is NOT necessary to the process of bending of space and time.
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-29 03:15 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <b981bf96-0e43-46f6-9d00-a0820c2ca54a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #549040 |
On Friday, January 29, 2016 at 12:43:15 PM UTC+2, Juan Sebastián wrote: > An error, many of them are doing in Relativity, is saying that mass > (instead of Matter) is bending space and time. However, this actually is > not an error, but essentially a 2nd Order error they are making (an Error > of an Error). > > Indeed, the only property of Matter, applicable to this Mysterious process > of Bending space and time, may only be The Mass. This at a first cast of > the eye over, is not significant, but as shown above, is crucial > understanding Gravity and what is going on. > > Shockingly, it means that Matter is NOT necessary to the process of > bending of space and time. ==================================== NO MASS - THE OLNY MASS - NO REAL PHYSICS !! ======================================= Y.Porat ==========================================
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| From | "Reggie Harrison" <invalud@example.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-29 07:18 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <n8fvsr$12hb$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #549046 |
Shut up, idiot.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-29 07:29 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <54ce4f0f-71dd-4b38-a363-89c4b11dc8fe@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #549089 |
No offence to the cowardly nyms
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-29 10:40 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n8g4l2$1b7i$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #549093 |
On 1/29/2016 9:29 AM, john wrote: > No offence to the cowardly nyms > Hey John, if you want your full name attached to everything you do on public internet, and you have no concerns whatsoever about what somebody will do with that information, including tying your real name to a real email address, then by all means you just keep doing what you're going. Ben Jacoby remarked that he has to fight off creditors all the time because of folks stealing his identity, but he considers it worth all that to show his real name on usenet. I think that's stupidity for the sake of imagined integrity. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-29 08:58 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <8dcb3b2c-0d4d-4772-ac32-6f73f6aa6cee@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #549103 |
Hey John, if you want your full name attached to everything you do on public internet, and you have no concerns whatsoever about what somebody will do with that information, including tying your real name to a real email address, then by all means you just keep doing what you're going. Ben Jacoby remarked that he has to fight off creditors all the time because of folks stealing his identity, but he considers it worth all that to show his real name on usenet. I think that's stupidity for the sake of imagined integrity. --------- Morons who post personal information regarding identity in public forums are...well, morons. In BJ's case it was a matter of him not realizing what may come of it. By the time he realized the ramifications of his mistake, it was too late. Now he tries to wear his idiocy as a badge of honor. Good luck with that BJ. Ü
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| From | benj <none@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-29 12:57 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <rKNqy.226669$MN2.19921@fx07.iad> |
| In reply to | #549109 |
On 01/29/2016 11:58 AM, HVAC wrote:
>
> Hey John, if you want your full name attached to everything you do
> on public internet, and you have no concerns whatsoever about what
> somebody will do with that information, including tying your real
> name to a real email address, then by all means you just keep doing
> what you're going. Ben Jacoby remarked that he has to fight off
> creditors all the time because of folks stealing his identity, but he
> considers it worth all that to show his real name on usenet. I think
> that's stupidity for the sake of imagined integrity. ---------
>
> Morons who post personal information regarding identity in public
> forums are...well, morons.
>
> In BJ's case it was a matter of him not realizing what may come of
> it. By the time he realized the ramifications of his mistake, it was
> too late. Now he tries to wear his idiocy as a badge of honor.
>
> Good luck with that BJ.
>
Sure. Anonymous voices on the INTERNET! Now there is REAL credibility!
Just say "Because I say so!" like mom used to say and all matters are
settled.
I"m glad to see that you two clowns are ready to admit there is not a
whit of integrity between you two pussies.
If you think your anonymous posting in anyway inhibits identity theft,
you both should be glad I'm too lazy to demonstrate otherwise to both of
you.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-29 10:16 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <a0d9fbb8-6ee7-42b5-a44c-0ff74eca798f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #549109 |
Well, every one that speaks should use their own name. Being found to use a fake name should be a crime. You have just demonstrated why.
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| From | Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-29 10:32 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <5aac70de-4064-465d-8b05-69ae32f89613@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #549147 |
On Friday, January 29, 2016 at 1:16:16 PM UTC-5, john wrote: > Well, every one that speaks should > use their own name. > Being found to use a fake name > should be a crime. > You have just demonstrated why. By you, John means you HVAC. Hear hear! To see Steve Martin in his weird(y) movie The Jerk trailer... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANph32LoXR4 just click link. -- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: Look at me, I'm somebody...”
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| From | "Reggie Harrison" <invalud@example.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-30 17:15 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <n8jnak$l0e$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #549158 |
Shut up, idiots.
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| From | Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-30 17:37 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2d2b393f-64a1-48d0-b064-d6a7dc162dcb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #549457 |
On Saturday, January 30, 2016 at 8:17:17 PM UTC-5, Reggie Harrison wrote: > Shut up, idiots. That you, whatever your name in this post, have no posting history whatsoever is telling. Technology Bytes. Also do learn to attribute posts properly. Can't hurt. Usenet happens at real time. Seconds matter. Tick Tock Clock... -- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: So much hate Hate HATE!”
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-29 14:12 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n8gh2q$2m5$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #549147 |
On 1/29/2016 12:16 PM, john wrote: > Well, every one that speaks should > use their own name. Why, John, what a pithy rule of fabricated etiquette. I'm going to assume that this works the same way you approach "matter". That is, if it makes sense to you, then it should be right and apply to everyone. > Being found to use a fake name > should be a crime. Oh my, not just a rule of etiquette but a Congressional bill, no less! > You have just demonstrated why. John, I also have a rule of etiquette you might consider. Anybody who knows nothing about a subject and is furthermore uninterested in learning about a subject should refrain from ever saying anything about the subject. Being found to say something on a subject one knows nothing about should be grounds for civil action. What do you think of that? -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-29 13:39 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <29e5c2b6-a5b1-4a5e-9e59-573939fe7971@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #549202 |
Odd said "Being found to say something on a subject one knows nothing about should be grounds for civil action. What do you think of that? " How do you find a nym?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-29 15:56 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n8gn74$cmq$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #549235 |
On 1/29/2016 3:39 PM, john wrote: > Odd said > "Being found to say something on a subject > one knows nothing about should be grounds for civil action. What do you > think of that? " > How do you find a nym? > It's a variant of a medieval minced oath. You need help? Might I suggest Adirondack Lunchmeat? How about Pelvic Thrush? Maybe Captain Smirk of the USS Frenchfries? -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-29 15:31 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <36282634-3066-4968-be91-5181cec5dcd3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #549236 |
Odd You're funny. YOU'RE a nym. How do I find YOU? Let's say you just posted something that resulted in harm to me or mine and I want justice? What gives you the right to anonymously insult me? What gives you the right to post, period? Own your shit, Odd
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-29 17:43 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n8gtf4$lug$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #549259 |
On 1/29/2016 5:31 PM, john wrote: > Odd > You're funny. YOU'RE a nym. > > How do I find YOU? > Let's say you just posted something that resulted > in harm to me or mine and I want justice? > What gives you the right to anonymously > insult me? Insult is not harm, John. Nor has there been demonstrable damage to your reputation. So I suppose it depends on what justice you're looking for. > What gives you the right to post, period? > Own your shit, Odd What gives me the right, John, are the fact that this is an unmoderated newsgroup that explicitly does not require real-name registration. If you want to take it to facebook, there anonymity is explicitly prohibited. Nobody cares what rules of decency you think should apply anywhere you choose to visit. If you don't like weed, stay out of Colorado. If you don't like gambling, stay out of Nevada. If you don't like gay marriages, son you're out of luck. If you don't like unmoderated, unmonitored conversation spaces where anonymity is not only allowed but encouraged, then stay out of reddit, stay out of 4chan, and stay the hell out of usenet. NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR INVENTED RULES. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-29 16:27 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <4368f322-acdd-4c28-9d22-f59ce424da42@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #549267 |
On Friday, January 29, 2016 at 5:43:39 PM UTC-6, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 1/29/2016 5:31 PM, john wrote: > > Odd > > You're funny. YOU'RE a nym. > > > > How do I find YOU? > > Let's say you just posted something that resulted > > in harm to me or mine and I want justice? > > What gives you the right to anonymously > > insult me? > > Insult is not harm, John. > Nor has there been demonstrable damage to your reputation. > So I suppose it depends on what justice you're looking for. > > > What gives you the right to post, period? > > Own your shit, Odd > > What gives me the right, John, are the fact that this is an unmoderated > newsgroup that explicitly does not require real-name registration. If > you want to take it to facebook, there anonymity is explicitly prohibited. > > Nobody cares what rules of decency you think should apply anywhere you > choose to visit. If you don't like weed, stay out of Colorado. If you > don't like gambling, stay out of Nevada. If you don't like gay > marriages, son you're out of luck. If you don't like unmoderated, > unmonitored conversation spaces where anonymity is not only allowed but > encouraged, then stay out of reddit, stay out of 4chan, and stay the > hell out of usenet. > > NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR INVENTED RULES. > > > -- > Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables Tax payers should tell GOP Mafia NASA that GRAVITY WORKS WITH OUT THE USE OF WAVES.Einstein went with curving space. He never once went with gravity waves.NASA lies and even puts lies in the mouth of Einstein. Sad but 100% true. TreBert
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| From | Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-29 16:50 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <e3e6f46f-37d4-4461-850e-84cf2ed34adb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #549267 |
On Friday, January 29, 2016 at 6:43:39 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 1/29/2016 5:31 PM, john wrote: > > Odd > > You're funny. YOU'RE a nym. > > > > How do I find YOU? > > Let's say you just posted something that resulted > > in harm to me or mine and I want justice? > > What gives you the right to anonymously > > insult me? > > Insult is not harm, John. > Nor has there been demonstrable damage to your reputation. > So I suppose it depends on what justice you're looking for. > > > What gives you the right to post, period? > > Own your shit, Odd > > What gives me the right, John, are the fact that this is an unmoderated > newsgroup that explicitly does not require real-name registration. If > you want to take it to facebook, there anonymity is explicitly prohibited. > > Nobody cares what rules of decency you think should apply anywhere you > choose to visit. If you don't like weed, stay out of Colorado. If you > don't like gambling, stay out of Nevada. If you don't like gay > marriages, son you're out of luck. If you don't like unmoderated, > unmonitored conversation spaces where anonymity is not only allowed but > encouraged, then stay out of reddit, stay out of 4chan, and stay the > hell out of usenet. That Odd is the lamest sorriest excuse for pretending to remain anonymous, given that post after post you identify yourself. Idiot! NFAR: Even if you have no name, an Idiot is still an idiot. Period. > NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR INVENTED RULES. NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR INVENTED PHYSICS RULES EITHER. > -- > Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables -- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: Come talk to me, face to face.”
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-30 12:28 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n8ivca$1ic4$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #549259 |
On 1/29/2016 5:31 PM, john wrote: > Odd > You're funny. YOU'RE a nym. > > How do I find YOU? How about you just find me? You've associated me with four or five other people, ranging from Big Dog to Peter Draper to Sylvia Else. Surely one of those people is locatable, and then you walk up to them and say, "I know you! You're Odd! I have a bone to pick with you!" What's so hard about that? -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-29 23:50 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ced00c26-5544-4784-811c-d60305b199a9@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #549202 |
On Friday, January 29, 2016 at 10:12:17 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 1/29/2016 12:16 PM, john wrote: > > Well, every one that speaks should > > use their own name. > > Why, John, what a pithy rule of fabricated etiquette. > I'm going to assume that this works the same way you approach "matter". > That is, if it makes sense to you, then it should be right and apply to > everyone. > > > Being found to use a fake name > > should be a crime. > > Oh my, not just a rule of etiquette but a Congressional bill, no less! > > > You have just demonstrated why. > > John, I also have a rule of etiquette you might consider. > Anybody who knows nothing about a subject and is furthermore > uninterested in learning about a subject should refrain from ever saying > anything about the subject. Being found to say something on a subject > one knows nothing about should be grounds for civil action. What do you > think of that? > > > -- > Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables ====================== dirty pig anonymous positional thief - Paul Draper (P D) you come here as anonymous in order to steal innovations from others ''SMOOTHLY ' WITHOUT LEAVING YOUR CRIMINAL TRAILERS !! of a thief so dont you try to make a pose of a saint teacher -you are a f en thief criminal Y.Porat ===================== Y.Porat =====================================
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