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| Started by | Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2016-01-12 14:21 -0800 |
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Fourth Phase of Water Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 14:21 -0800
Re: Fourth Phase of Water Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 16:32 -0600
Re: Fourth Phase of Water James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 19:01 -0800
Re: Fourth Phase of Water James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 19:19 -0800
Re: Fourth Phase of Water Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-16 17:10 -0600
Re: Fourth Phase of Water James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 15:44 -0800
Re: Fourth Phase of Water Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-18 09:37 -0600
Re: Fourth Phase of Water James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 10:01 -0800
Re: Fourth Phase of Water Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-20 12:58 -0600
Re: Fourth Phase of Water Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 16:35 -0800
Re: Fourth Phase of Water Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-22 19:18 -0600
Re: Fourth Phase of Water Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 10:16 -0800
OHO phasals noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 12:36 -0800
Re: OHO phasals Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 13:00 -0800
Re: OHO phasals noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 12:44 -0800
Re: OHO phasals Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 12:51 -0800
Re: Fourth Phase of Water Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 09:59 -0800
Re: Fourth Phase of Water James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 08:07 -0800
| From | Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-12 14:21 -0800 |
| Subject | Fourth Phase of Water |
| Message-ID | <4a8b0309-a3d2-47f5-9106-a4d6b32c082e@googlegroups.com> |
The Fourth Phase of Water Meteorologists: Forced to Choose Between Wrong and Ridiculously Wrong . . . As with the other shortcomings of the steam-based convection model that I delineated at the beginning of this post, this failure to predict the discovery of these three meteorological phenomena is not something for which meteorologists are remotely concerned or even generally aware. All in all, they demonstrate an amazing ability to pretend not to notice the shortcomings of their theory and even to conceal it by, as I indicated, hiding the notion of steam within the less plainly absurd notion of convection. And then, of course, there is the evasiveness and name calling directed at anybody that doesn't play along with their desire to pretend not to notice. And yet, as mentioned previously, there appears to not be any kind of larger political agenda. This leaves one scratching their head wondering what is at the root of these behaviors. I think I can answer this question. And my answer does not in any way involve accusations that meteorologists are in collusion, lacking in intelligence, or cynical. Rather, I suggest, they are mistaken on one point of fact that has resulted in them making an omission. And in that omission they have closed themselves off to to an element in their explanations without which it is impossible to make sense of what is actually observed in the atmosphere, leaving them to choose between explanatory approaches that are wrong and ridiculously wrong. And it all has to do with how we envision water getting up high into the sky. Here's the thing. The pervasiveness of H2O in all parts of the troposphere (from the surface all the way up to the stratosphere) is undeniable. Likewise, the pervasiveness of H2O in all weather events is equally undeniable. Moreover, H2O is constantly falling out of the sky. Thus, the number one job of a theoretical meteorologists is to explain . . . For more go to: http://wp.me/p4JijN-5A
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-12 16:32 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n73uuo$11dt$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #544889 |
On 1/12/2016 4:21 PM, Solving Tornadoes wrote: > The Fourth Phase of Water Posted to a group that Solving Tornadoes has declared is "just for trolls". -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-13 19:01 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <aed4f533-d785-4f73-a79c-6242f575ea2e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #544894 |
On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 2:33:02 PM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 1/12/2016 4:21 PM, Solving Tornadoes wrote: > > The Fourth Phase of Water > > Posted to a group that Solving Tornadoes has declared is "just for trolls". Tell all your friends!
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-15 19:19 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <e460f2c5-a2d9-4507-a6fc-0debff4135f1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #545243 |
On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 7:01:58 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote: > On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 2:33:02 PM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > On 1/12/2016 4:21 PM, Solving Tornadoes wrote: > > > The Fourth Phase of Water > > > > Posted to a group that Solving Tornadoes has declared is "just for trolls". > > Tell all your friends! Both of them.
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-16 17:10 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n7eing$6cd$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #545783 |
On 1/15/2016 9:19 PM, James McGinn wrote: > On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 7:01:58 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote: >> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 2:33:02 PM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>> On 1/12/2016 4:21 PM, Solving Tornadoes wrote: >>>> The Fourth Phase of Water >>> >>> Posted to a group that Solving Tornadoes has declared is "just for trolls". >> >> Tell all your friends! > > Both of them. > esod
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-17 15:44 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ac61c85a-9e53-4db7-8eee-206529fa0e04@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #545923 |
On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 3:11:52 PM UTC-8, Sergio wrote: > On 1/15/2016 9:19 PM, James McGinn wrote: > > On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 7:01:58 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote: > >> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 2:33:02 PM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>> On 1/12/2016 4:21 PM, Solving Tornadoes wrote: > >>>> The Fourth Phase of Water > >>> > >>> Posted to a group that Solving Tornadoes has declared is "just for trolls". > >> > >> Tell all your friends! > > > > Both of them. > > > > esod dose
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-18 09:37 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n7j0sr$bib$4@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #546149 |
On 1/17/2016 5:44 PM, James McGinn wrote: > On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 3:11:52 PM UTC-8, Sergio wrote: >> On 1/15/2016 9:19 PM, James McGinn wrote: >>> On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 7:01:58 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 2:33:02 PM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>> On 1/12/2016 4:21 PM, Solving Tornadoes wrote: >>>>>> The Fourth Phase of Water >>>>> >>>>> Posted to a group that Solving Tornadoes has declared is "just for trolls". >>>> >>>> Tell all your friends! >>> >>> Both of them. >>> >> >> esod > > dose > chimp
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-20 10:01 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <eedfcbe7-745f-4bcd-8edd-9288296a792d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #546230 |
On Monday, January 18, 2016 at 7:38:07 AM UTC-8, Sergio wrote: > On 1/17/2016 5:44 PM, James McGinn wrote: > > On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 3:11:52 PM UTC-8, Sergio wrote: > >> On 1/15/2016 9:19 PM, James McGinn wrote: > >>> On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 7:01:58 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote: > >>>> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 2:33:02 PM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>> On 1/12/2016 4:21 PM, Solving Tornadoes wrote: > >>>>>> The Fourth Phase of Water > >>>>> > >>>>> Posted to a group that Solving Tornadoes has declared is "just for trolls". > >>>> > >>>> Tell all your friends! > >>> > >>> Both of them. > >>> > >> > >> esod > > > > dose > > > > chimp eek eek
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-20 12:58 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n7olfa$1906$9@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #546749 |
On 1/20/2016 12:01 PM, James McGinn wrote: > On Monday, January 18, 2016 at 7:38:07 AM UTC-8, Sergio wrote: >> On 1/17/2016 5:44 PM, James McGinn wrote: >>> On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 3:11:52 PM UTC-8, Sergio wrote: >>>> On 1/15/2016 9:19 PM, James McGinn wrote: >>>>> On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 7:01:58 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote: >>>>>> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 2:33:02 PM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>> On 1/12/2016 4:21 PM, Solving Tornadoes wrote: >>>>>>>> The Fourth Phase of Water >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Posted to a group that Solving Tornadoes has declared is "just for trolls". >>>>>> >>>>>> Tell all your friends! >>>>> >>>>> Both of them. >>>>> >>>> >>>> esod >>> >>> dose >>> >> >> chimp > > eek eek > I wish you had quit before you made a complete ass out of yourself.
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| From | Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-22 16:35 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <7773c466-e497-4240-8829-2bf05197def2@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #546779 |
On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 10:59:59 AM UTC-8, Sergio wrote: > On 1/20/2016 12:01 PM, James McGinn wrote: > > On Monday, January 18, 2016 at 7:38:07 AM UTC-8, Sergio wrote: > >> On 1/17/2016 5:44 PM, James McGinn wrote: > >>> On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 3:11:52 PM UTC-8, Sergio wrote: > >>>> On 1/15/2016 9:19 PM, James McGinn wrote: > >>>>> On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 7:01:58 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote: > >>>>>> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 2:33:02 PM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>>> On 1/12/2016 4:21 PM, Solving Tornadoes wrote: > >>>>>>>> The Fourth Phase of Water > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Posted to a group that Solving Tornadoes has declared is "just for trolls". > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Tell all your friends! > >>>>> > >>>>> Both of them. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> esod > >>> > >>> dose > >>> > >> > >> chimp > > > > eek eek > > > > > I wish you had quit before you made a complete ass out of yourself. Trying to keep your posts at the top of the pile ?
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-22 19:18 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n7ukfh$13qg$6@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #547353 |
On 1/22/2016 6:35 PM, Solving Tornadoes wrote: > On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 10:59:59 AM UTC-8, Sergio wrote: >> On 1/20/2016 12:01 PM, James McGinn wrote: >>> On Monday, January 18, 2016 at 7:38:07 AM UTC-8, Sergio wrote: >>>> On 1/17/2016 5:44 PM, James McGinn wrote: >>>>> On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 3:11:52 PM UTC-8, Sergio wrote: >>>>>> On 1/15/2016 9:19 PM, James McGinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 7:01:58 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 2:33:02 PM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2016 4:21 PM, Solving Tornadoes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> The Fourth Phase of Water >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Posted to a group that Solving Tornadoes has declared is "just for trolls". >>>>>>>> Tell all your friends! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Both of them. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> esod >>>>> >>>>> dose >>>> >>>> chimp >>> >>> eek eek >>> >> >> >> I wish you had quit before you made a complete ass out of yourself. > > Trying to keep your posts at the top of the pile ? > Reference?
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| From | Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-25 10:16 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <4c8dce8a-ce8c-4362-a3b3-0f3e5869ddfd@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #544889 |
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-25 12:36 -0800 |
| Subject | OHO phasals |
| Message-ID | <c9f1f16d-926e-4de3-9a2a-6f07658c2b9f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #544889 |
fourth phase of matter is plasma (or, ionized atoms & electrons or\and positrons > Here's the thing. The pervasiveness of H2O in all parts of the troposphere (from the surface all the way up to the stratosphere) is undeniable. Likewise, the pervasiveness of H2O in all weather events is equally undeniable. Moreover, H2O is constantly falling out of the sky. Thus, the number one job of a theoretical meteorologists is to explain . . . > > For more go to: http://wp.me/p4JijN-5A
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| From | Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-25 13:00 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: OHO phasals |
| Message-ID | <a0276fc0-796e-49c9-b071-c1a6e18593c0@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #548084 |
On Monday, January 25, 2016 at 12:36:27 PM UTC-8, noTthaTguY wrote: > fourth phase of matter is plasma (or, > ionized atoms & electrons or\and positrons Right. These are, as you suggest, types of plasma. Here is another type. It occurs at ambient temperatures in the atmosphere. It get's its energy from wind shear. It is observable as the structure of tornadoes and jet streams. http://wp.me/p4JijN-5A
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-26 12:44 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: OHO phasals |
| Message-ID | <371b8b8e-056b-435e-b294-740ba2f8899a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #548093 |
plasma is the medium of "free space, that which waves in the lightwaviness > Right. These are, as you suggest, types of plasma. Here is another type. It occurs at ambient temperatures in the atmosphere. It get's its energy from wind shear. It is observable as the structure of tornadoes and jet streams. > > http://wp.me/p4JijN-5A
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| From | Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-26 12:51 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: OHO phasals |
| Message-ID | <c5648ea3-da70-4e02-8e72-e0770828059d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #548377 |
On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 12:44:17 PM UTC-8, noTthaTguY wrote: > plasma is the medium of "free space, > that which waves in the lightwaviness > > > Right. These are, as you suggest, types of plasma. Here is another type. It occurs at ambient temperatures in the atmosphere. It get's its energy from wind shear. It is observable as the structure of tornadoes and jet streams. > > > > http://wp.me/p4JijN-5A Obviously this is a different type of plasma from what is typical.
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| From | Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-28 09:59 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <87922f7b-66ea-462f-a67c-07fbed37d855@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #544889 |
On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 2:21:44 PM UTC-8, Solving Tornadoes wrote: > The Fourth Phase of Water > > Meteorologists: Forced to Choose Between Wrong and Ridiculously Wrong > > . . . As with the other shortcomings of the steam-based convection model that I delineated at the beginning of this post, this failure to predict the discovery of these three meteorological phenomena is not something for which meteorologists are remotely concerned or even generally aware. All in all, they demonstrate an amazing ability to pretend not to notice the shortcomings of their theory and even to conceal it by, as I indicated, hiding the notion of steam within the less plainly absurd notion of convection. And then, of course, there is the evasiveness and name calling directed at anybody that doesn't play along with their desire to pretend not to notice. And yet, as mentioned previously, there appears to not be any kind of larger political agenda. This leaves one scratching their head wondering what is at the root of these behaviors. > > I think I can answer this question. And my answer does not in any way involve accusations that meteorologists are in collusion, lacking in intelligence, or cynical. Rather, I suggest, they are mistaken on one point of fact that has resulted in them making an omission. And in that omission they have closed themselves off to to an element in their explanations without which it is impossible to make sense of what is actually observed in the atmosphere, leaving them to choose between explanatory approaches that are wrong and ridiculously wrong. And it all has to do with how we envision water getting up high into the sky. > > Here's the thing. The pervasiveness of H2O in all parts of the troposphere (from the surface all the way up to the stratosphere) is undeniable. Likewise, the pervasiveness of H2O in all weather events is equally undeniable. Moreover, H2O is constantly falling out of the sky. Thus, the number one job of a theoretical meteorologists is to explain . . . > > For more go to: http://wp.me/p4JijN-5A
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-30 08:07 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <59a2b3f9-5938-4980-ace0-d7033aa8dc60@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #544889 |
On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 2:21:44 PM UTC-8, Solving Tornadoes wrote: > The Fourth Phase of Water > > Meteorologists: Forced to Choose Between Wrong and Ridiculously Wrong > > . . . As with the other shortcomings of the steam-based convection model that I delineated at the beginning of this post, this failure to predict the discovery of these three meteorological phenomena is not something for which meteorologists are remotely concerned or even generally aware. All in all, they demonstrate an amazing ability to pretend not to notice the shortcomings of their theory and even to conceal it by, as I indicated, hiding the notion of steam within the less plainly absurd notion of convection. And then, of course, there is the evasiveness and name calling directed at anybody that doesn't play along with their desire to pretend not to notice. And yet, as mentioned previously, there appears to not be any kind of larger political agenda. This leaves one scratching their head wondering what is at the root of these behaviors. > > I think I can answer this question. And my answer does not in any way involve accusations that meteorologists are in collusion, lacking in intelligence, or cynical. Rather, I suggest, they are mistaken on one point of fact that has resulted in them making an omission. And in that omission they have closed themselves off to to an element in their explanations without which it is impossible to make sense of what is actually observed in the atmosphere, leaving them to choose between explanatory approaches that are wrong and ridiculously wrong. And it all has to do with how we envision water getting up high into the sky. > > Here's the thing. The pervasiveness of H2O in all parts of the troposphere (from the surface all the way up to the stratosphere) is undeniable. Likewise, the pervasiveness of H2O in all weather events is equally undeniable. Moreover, H2O is constantly falling out of the sky. Thus, the number one job of a theoretical meteorologists is to explain . . . > > For more go to: http://wp.me/p4JijN-5A
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