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  Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 13:35 -0600
    Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 13:24 -0800
    Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 05:46 -0800
    Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 07:27 -0800
      Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 09:07 -0800
        Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 09:15 -0800
          Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 09:46 -0800
            Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 12:22 -0600
            Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-01-14 19:49 +0000
              Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 12:09 -0800
                Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 14:14 -0600
                Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 14:48 -0600
                  Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 12:55 -0800
                    Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 16:44 -0600
                  Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 13:24 -0800
                    Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 16:47 -0600
                      Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 16:34 -0800
                        Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 18:53 -0600
                        Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 09:51 -0600
                    Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 23:46 -0800
                Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 15:01 -0600
              Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 23:39 -0800
            Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 14:40 -0600
              Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 13:00 -0800
                Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 03:30 -0800
            Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 15:00 -0600
            Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 23:32 -0800
        Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 14:30 -0600
        Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 14:59 -0600
      Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 12:43 -0500
      Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 23:28 -0800
    Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 20:43 -0800

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#545140 — Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world

Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world
> http://phys.org/news/2016-01-gravitational-rumors-ripple-science-world.html


> If gravitational waves have been spotted, it would confirm a final
> missing piece in what Albert Einstein predicted a century ago in his
> theory of general relativity.
>
> The discovery would open a new window on the universe by showing
> scientists for the first time that gravitational waves exist, in
> places such as the edge of black holes at the beginning of time,
> filling in a major gap in our understanding of how the universe was
> born.
>
> A team of scientists on a project called BICEP2 (Background Imaging
> of Cosmic Extragalactic Polarization) announced in 2014 that they had
> discovered these very ripples in space time, but soon admitted that
> their findings may have been just galactic dust.
>
> A spokeswoman for the LIGO collaboration, Gabriela Gonzalez, was
> quoted in The Guardian as saying there is no announcement for now.
>
> "The LIGO instruments are still taking data today, and it takes us
> time to analyze, interpret and review results, so we don't have any
> results to share yet," said Gonzalez, professor of physics and
> astronomy at Louisiana State University.
>


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#545173

On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 11:35:39 AM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
> Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world
> > http://phys.org/news/2016-01-gravitational-rumors-ripple-science-world.html
> 
> 
> > If gravitational waves have been spotted, it would confirm a final
> > missing piece in what Albert Einstein predicted a century ago in his
> > theory of general relativity.
> >
> > The discovery would open a new window on the universe by showing
> > scientists for the first time that gravitational waves exist, in
> > places such as the edge of black holes at the beginning of time,
> > filling in a major gap in our understanding of how the universe was
> > born.
> >
> > A team of scientists on a project called BICEP2 (Background Imaging
> > of Cosmic Extragalactic Polarization) announced in 2014 that they had
> > discovered these very ripples in space time, but soon admitted that
> > their findings may have been just galactic dust.
> >
> > A spokeswoman for the LIGO collaboration, Gabriela Gonzalez, was
> > quoted in The Guardian as saying there is no announcement for now.
> >
> > "The LIGO instruments are still taking data today, and it takes us
> > time to analyze, interpret and review results, so we don't have any
> > results to share yet," said Gonzalez, professor of physics and
> > astronomy at Louisiana State University.
> >
> 
> 
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#545320

On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 9:35:39 PM UTC+2, Sam Wormley wrote:
> Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world
> > http://phys.org/news/2016-01-gravitational-rumors-ripple-science-world.html
> 
> 
> > If gravitational waves have been spotted, it would confirm a final
> > missing piece in what Albert Einstein predicted a century ago in his
> > theory of general relativity.
> >
> > The discovery would open a new window on the universe by showing
> > scientists for the first time that gravitational waves exist, in
> > places such as the edge of black holes at the beginning of time,
> > filling in a major gap in our understanding of how the universe was
> > born.
> >
> > A team of scientists on a project called BICEP2 (Background Imaging
> > of Cosmic Extragalactic Polarization) announced in 2014 that they had
> > discovered these very ripples in space time, but soon admitted that
> > their findings may have been just galactic dust.
> >
> > A spokeswoman for the LIGO collaboration, Gabriela Gonzalez, was
> > quoted in The Guardian as saying there is no announcement for now.
> >
> > "The LIGO instruments are still taking data today, and it takes us
> > time to analyze, interpret and review results, so we don't have any
> > results to share yet," said Gonzalez, professor of physics and
> > astronomy at Louisiana State University.
> >
 ========================
?????
Einstein dint claim that
'gravitational waves 
has mass !!
he din t here  that
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NO MASS' THE ONLY **!!MASS 
NO REAL  PHYSICS !!!
2
he never claimed that
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**MASS** IS THE MOTHER OF ALL FORCES ---*INCLUDING GRAVITY *!!!!
=============================================================


ATB
Y.Porat
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#545345

> The discovery would open a new window on the universe by showing 
> scientists for the first time that gravitational waves exist, in 
places such as the edge of black holes at the beginning of time, 
filling in a major gap in our understanding of how the universe was born. 
------------

People need to be made aware that ligo is another space telescope.
It doesn't see in visible light. It doesn't see in X-ray or radio.
It is an entirely new view of the universe. It will (hopefully) show us objects and events in space that we cannot even imagine at this point. That is the siren call of pure research... To discover things that we do not know we are missing.

Luddites and chuckleheads here like Bert and his buddy, BJ, will stand against this. We need to continue on with our work and then point at them and laugh. They are irrelevant

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#545365

HVAC
What's waving?
Why is it waving?

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#545368

HVAC 
What's waving? 
----------

Space



Why is it waving
----------

A disturbance in the force

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#545383

So, you think a gravity wave is a
travelling region of 'warped' space,
where, as it travels through, things
are alternately pushed together 
and then pulled apart
or just briefly pulled in some direction,
or experience some kind of
expansion or contraction?
What?
Why?

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#545395

On 1/14/16 11:46 AM, john wrote:
> So, you think a gravity wave is a travelling region of 'warped'
> space, where, as it travels through, things are alternately pushed
> together and then pulled apart or just briefly pulled in some
> direction, or experience some kind of expansion or contraction?
> What? Why?
>

   WHAT ARE GRAVITATIONAL WAVES AND WHY DO THEY MATTER?
> http://www.popsci.com/whats-so-important-about-gravitational-waves



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#545428

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>So, you think a gravity wave is a
>travelling region of 'warped' space,
>where, as it travels through, things
>are alternately pushed together 
>and then pulled apart
>or just briefly pulled in some direction,
>or experience some kind of
>expansion or contraction?

It works much like a radio wave and an electron.

Imagine an electron in free space minding its own business.  Along comes a
radio wave.  The electric field in the radio wave will jiggle the electron
up and down.  Place a wire there and the electrons in it do the same, and 
now you have an antenna.

Now replace the electron with a mass, and the radio wave with a 
gravitational wave.  The gravitational wave will jiggle the mass up and 
down in much the same way.

Oversimplification?  Yes, but so be it.

>What?
>Why?

Why? Because the physics of relativity predicts it.  Soon we will know if
this part of relativity is correct.  That's how science works.

If you are still confused about the behavior of waves, how about thinking
of a cork floating in water when a water wave comes by.

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#545434

I cannot believe how stupid that is.

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#545439

On 1/14/16 2:09 PM, john wrote:
> I cannot believe how stupid that is.
>


   Simplified, but you should have gotten the point, John.



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#545464

On 1/14/2016 2:09 PM, john wrote:
> I cannot believe how stupid that is.
>

Why do you think it's stupid?

Things that are inconceivable to you aren't stupid, John.
Things that are inconceivable to you aren't illogical, either.
It just means you're having a tough time getting a handle on it.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#545465

Odd

Newsflash
It really IS stupid

But that's okay- part of your learning process.

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#545499

On 1/14/2016 2:55 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
>
> Newsflash
> It really IS stupid

Well, so you say, but you just seem to have this inarticulate guttural 
cry about it, without any rationale.

Use your words, John.

>
> But that's okay- part of your learning process.
>


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#545478

Okay-
I think you got this "shrinking in one
plane while expanding in the orthogonal 
plane" from the rubber sheet analogy,
am I right?
That analogy is a metaphor, Odd.
Nothing MOVES, or expands or contracts;
the VALUES at those points simply reflect
the presence of mass IN THAT DIRECTION.
If those VALUES are oscillating, somehow,
though I fail to see how, it simply would
temporarily increase and decrease the
PULL in that direction.
I fail to understand why you think gravity
expands and contracts things?

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#545502

On 1/14/2016 3:24 PM, john wrote:
> Okay-
> I think you got this "shrinking in one
> plane while expanding in the orthogonal
> plane" from the rubber sheet analogy,
> am I right?

No, it really is that way, without the rubber sheet.
It's a spin 2 radiation, which behaves that way.

> That analogy is a metaphor, Odd.
> Nothing MOVES, or expands or contracts;

That's not true according to GR.

> the VALUES at those points simply reflect
> the presence of mass IN THAT DIRECTION.
> If those VALUES are oscillating, somehow,
> though I fail to see how, it simply would
> temporarily increase and decrease the
> PULL in that direction.
> I fail to understand why you think gravity
> expands and contracts things?
>

Do you want a reading reference that will explain it to you? Might need 
to learn to read math.


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Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#545522

Am I contracted by gravity, Odd?
You mean "compressed" maybe? In a
downward direction?
Are you going to use a quantum tape measure?

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#545524

On 1/14/16 6:34 PM, john wrote:
> You mean "compressed" maybe? In a
> downward direction?


   Try hanging by your feet or neck and gravitation force is sure to
   lengthen you, John. Do the exercise every day.


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#545622

On 1/14/2016 6:34 PM, john wrote:
> Am I contracted by gravity, Odd?

By gravitational waves? Yes.

> You mean "compressed" maybe? In a
> downward direction?

No, that's a different thing.

> Are you going to use a quantum tape measure?

Well, if you look to see how that compression is planned to be measured, 
you will learn how it's done.


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#545580

On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 11:24:58 PM UTC+2, john wrote:
> Okay-
> I think you got this "shrinking in one
> plane while expanding in the orthogonal 
> plane" from the rubber sheet analogy,
> am I right?
> That analogy is a metaphor, Odd.
> Nothing MOVES, or expands or contracts;
> the VALUES at those points simply reflect
> the presence of mass IN THAT DIRECTION.
> If those VALUES are oscillating, somehow,
> though I fail to see how, it simply would
> temporarily increase and decrease the
> PULL in that direction.
> I fail to understand why you think gravity
> expands and contracts things?

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